/lit/ - Literature

>>23131516
This is very embarrassing for me to take bait like this but anyhow
The pejorative sense of barefaced is clearly maintained. When I invoke Will Wight, a popular author of wuxia(aka Royal Road slop) as a target forever beyond your grasp, I'm descending into mockery. Its use denotes a shift in tone from genuine exploration of authors within SFF that possess a level of technical skill that at least brushes against the praiseworthy realm, to saying that you can't even lick the scum from a slopwriter's boots.

Additionally, any good writer morphs the strict definition of a word if it fits the vibe of a sentence. The real heavy hitters. We aren't on the same level, do not respond to me again.

>>23124567
>litrpg
worse, Wuxia

>>23115481
ive never seen what a canon for wuxia looks like, and its strange that this knowledge hasnt informed the west yet, despite being such a huge genre.

>>23114479
Wuxia's the obvious one. I don't know any recommendations though since I've never read any Wuxia.

What do people here think about wuxia and xianxia chinese webnovels? Probably not very highly of them.

>just steals absolutly everything from old european adventure novels, wuxia and light novels
>combines it with some brazilian monkey magic
>makes absolute fantasy kino

How did he do it, /lit/?

>>23050050
Yeah for basically every country ever but it gets muddied because fantasy is a post ww2 genre so there's not really a separate tradition, everything major got translated into multiple languages pretty quickly.
China's easy because you go JTTW>Gods and Demons novels and Water Margin>Wuxia and then both >Xianxia so you can easily see the difference.
But in other countries where there's not a state censor which gets a bit weird about fantastical elements everything gets merged quicker.
Like Japan has books drawing from Shinto but there's also loads that draw from Chinese or Western tradition from very early on.
Also it gets hard to tell because classic fantasy doesn't get translated to english as frequently, like there's a fucking billion light novels in english but Teito Monogatari hasn't been translated. Same deal for Chinese modern classics.
South America generally has magic realism as their fantasy tradition although that's harder to quantify because critics love to slap that on any fantasy novel that they deign to treat seriously.

>>23006079
Angry commies and/or retarded wuxia shills.
Soul valley is still shit.

You guys read any xianxia or wuxia that really blew you away? I've given a bunch of the most popular ones a chance, I like the martial arts and Chinese mythology but I don't give a fuck about the "cultivation" bullshit

Why does SFFG fear the Wuxia genre?

>>22915940
there are no "levels" of qi refining in real historical neidan practice, it's an invention for xianxia/wuxia novels

Are there any fantasy books with setttings which are "fantasy India", like an Indian counterpart to wuxia

>>22875625
>>22875692
Xianxia is basically power fantasy, usually a lot more fantastical than other eastern genres. The plots are usually one note, and unless you are the kind of autist who gets excited by ideas like "battling using universes" it gets tiring once you have read a few stories of the genre. Characters are basically mortals ascending to godhood through cultivation after a point.

Wuxia is the tradional fantasy of china, much more varied in themes and characters, with a much bigger audience than the autistic reader base of xianxia. Books in this genre are generally more down to earth and involve character drama more than just muh power, despite the focus on martial arts at times borderline magic

t. East Asian who read chinese literature growing up

>>22872329
They're the same thing, the difference is more in their protagonist.
Xianxia translates to "Immortal Hero(es)" in english, the defining factor of Xianxia is specifically that the protagonist is seeking advancement at least in part to become Immortal. This is why Xianxia protagonists are usually amoral at best, because Immortality is inherently wrong in most eastern philosophy and religion. It's not evil so much, but rather it's like alcoholism or being a coomer, it's self destructive, and failing to curtail the desire will block you from achieving Enlightenment and until you accept death you will forever be trapped in the cycle of Samsara.

Wuxia is more like Heroic fantasy, it's the same stuff, but defined more by a protagonist with noble goals who isn't seeking to become an immortal demigod, he might seek advancement, even advancement to a higher plane, but the goal is not to defeat death and defy the heavens, although that may happen as a consequence. In short, the Xianxia protagonist is the villain of the Wuxia protagonists story.
Xianxia and Wuxia aren't really separate genres, they're descriptions of the content, in the same way dark fantasy, high fantasy, and heroic fantasy are all fantasy.

>>22872329
>Wuxiaworld
>site name has wuxia in it
>flagships were ISSTH and Coiling Dragon
I was raised in misinformation, and you can't teach an old dog a new trick

>>22872308
That's xianxia, wuxia is more mortal martial arts. Like Kung Fu movies.

>>22871870
>wuxia
?

Any fun wuxia where the protag is more of a caretaker or a supporting character?

>>22856247
I've avoided it generally speaking, and one of the more common bits of praise I've gotten is my natural exposition, and at the same time, people have criticized my writing for not explaining everything immediately which confuses people who are expecting a dump at every turn like I'm writing wuxia.
I think what constitutes a dump isn't that you are just sitting someone down and having someone talk at them, but rather how it comes across in the story.
The worst I've done it is by far during an actual school setting in my story, because naturally the teachers do explain things, but I think it is saved in how I wrote it.
You don't want your character to just have someone talk at them and then they just accept everything, you want them to actively engage in the conversation, and at times, have them question the exposition.
Remember that your characters are in this world too, you may be using them as a vessel to explain things to, but they have some understanding of their world already that they've absorbed through osmosis, and that they have their own ideas about what is true or false.

What are your thoughts on these books? I've heard they're pretty good but I've never read so-called wuxia books. The Oxford Guide to Contemporary World Literature says:
>Jin Yong's novels are considered to be of very high quality and are able to appeal to both highbrow and lowbrow tastes.
Are they worth reading? This is the author:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jin_Yong

>>22853204
Not really xianxia/wuxia, but My House of Horrors, maybe?

Is Wuxia/Xianxia horror a thing?
I got an idea for my first RPG maker game, horror, exploring an abandoned evil sect.
Could use some ideas/references.

>>22850494
NTA but this
>Little girl with incredibly abusive and exploitive parents who feels despair over having no way out
Is so similar as to be practically identical to a stock wuxia protagonist. Child befallen by tragedy becomes powerful through martial arts mastery. There's nothing inherently wrong with having cliches in your work of course, as long as you're doing something interesting with them.

>>22848222
Oh yeah: don't bother recommending me Wuxia / chinese crap. I find it unreadable, sorry.