/lit/ - Literature

I expect if 4chan ever gets a /phil/ board, 99% of the threads will be extremely elementary questions (trolley cart problem tier) over and over, with responses repeated the same memes and phrases.

At least here some people actually read books so sometimes you get to have deeper discussions.

>>14420557
Not wrong. Also the trolley problem is not the be all and end all, like you should discuss and argue after

>>14420002
>discussing any kind of philosophy with women
I made the same mistake once my ex gf told me she'd kill me in the trolley problem without second thoughts to save a bunch of people she doesn't know or care about

>>14352930
The real purpose of utilitarianism is obstructionism, so nothing can get done. Literally no one has ever even managed to show it used effectively in the fucking trolley problem.

>>14352940
>I don't know what an argument is
i've made enough arguments, especially in response to a simple statement with no justification of "n-no it's not a broad concept after you showed examples of how it is" as if the nature of it being relative to the individuals interpretation didn't make it impossibly broad in the first place.

I'm not using the consensus that it's a shit system and this is taught in undergrad is an argument, i'm using it to make fun of you. Nobody but midwits who never actually thought about utilitarianism thinks it's a good system, because it sounds reasonable on paper (it's very easy to understand after all, real moral systems require a lot of actual work and real comprehension) but doesn't hold up to any scrutiny.

>>14321567
>OP i think anons find your friend a more interesting topic of discussion
Fair enough. I will continue to answer questions if that's what Anons prefer.

>>14319229
>What are his hobbies
Mix of athletic and other hobbies. Rock-climbing, board-games, MTG, frisbee, some video games as well. I will say when I watch him play a game it's like he doesn't play to win. I remember watching him play League of Legends (a competitive game with an ELO rating) and he would purposely play in a way that makes him look like a terrible player, often allowing himself to die. When I asked him about it he said it was more interesting to play with his conception of how he imagined other players were perceiving him then it was to play to win. I said "why not see how far you can climb?" he laughed and said "then I would be playing for you, not for me".
When we play board games he does this meta-game thing (I think) where he will try to make the game as interesting as possible for everyone without letting on that that's what he's doing.
The few times I've seen him try at any hobby he crushes everyone and clearly does not like how this affects others.

>>14321545
>does he plan to raise a family and explain his aura is it regal or prophetic ?
Okay, the first question gets into his bizarre philosophy (which admittedly
I don't fully understand). When asked about his future or plans he will admit that he has no plans. His method is that "whenever he decides he will decide" and to trust in that fully and completely. So for example he would sometimes not start work on assignments until the very last moment because he was waiting for himself to decide to start. In regard to having a family he has said he can feel the motivation in himself.
This way of thinking is also how he answers ethical questions. For example I will present him with the trolley problem (which he has never heard because he doesn't read) and he will either A) use my questioning to turn it back on me and reveal to me why I am asking the question in the first place, or B) actually answer the question, in which case his answer is that "the right thing for me to do is whatever I will do" which sounds absurd to me. He explains that he knows it is right because he trusts himself to do right action, but to tell me what that specific right action is now without being in the trolley problem environment means predicting what he would do, which is hard because he has never been in that scenario.
For the aura question I would say regal.

>>14285908
Its easy, do whatever you want, the unethical act (tying people to train tracks) was not committed by you in the first place, you are in no way responsible for his actions.
Unless there is a version of the trolley problem where it is assumed that you did the tying to the tracks.

>>14285908
Both are acceptable provided you take responsibility for your stance. I know as a juror I wouldn't condemn anyone for either solution.
The only aim of the trolley problem is to filter out plebs thinking 'inaction' is a thing when you are perfectly able to follow both options.
>nnnooo, you kill the one man by pulling the lever but not the others by not pulling
>the amount of physical exertion changes everything!
I don't think there even is a wojak to convey how braindead the argument is.

i've NEVER heard the same solution as mine for the trolley problem.

my answer is pull the lever, then pull it again so that one man knows he's special and i consciously chose him to live.

>>14186633
Vagueness aside, Harris is not wrong in the general picture, and it's certainly useful to make thumpers and basic bitch pseuds screech. However the hardcore metaphysical issue stands - science is useful only if you can use it for engineering. We're very far from that in ethology, aside from primitive, closed-universe computer models. Yet the guy throughout the book implies we can control the weather and trivially project solutions to trolley problem out in the real world.

>>14126853
Time for some nice quality tkme with my boyfr--
>DURR HEGEL WHITEHEAD GUENON AM I RIGHT
Umm, okay Anon, that's fine and all, how was your day at work at Target toda--
>I AM A PHILOSOPHUH I HAVE DONE SO MUCH RESEARCH ON MUH /lit/
>R-right Anon, you are very intellectual and all, I really think you should go back to college since you dropped out. Let's talk about it, we can make it wor--
>HURR LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MUH TROLLEY PROBLEM

God, I would kill you too, OP

>>14126853
Trolley problem is only a problem for people who without any morals. If you act, you're murdering people who wouldn't have been murdered otherwise. You just don't do anything, easy. Why are 90% of people for murder?

>tell gf the trolley problem
>trying to explain the subjectivity of choice and the uselessness of free will by self inserting in the example
>she tells me she'd kill me and save the other people because theres more of them
What do

>>14121386
Put them in a situation where they can be harmed, and I doubt you'd choose a completely foreign Chinese man over someone you know is important to someone who is important to your friends. People of a culture become important to everyone in that culture (that isn't a pyscho, or social outcast) through tertiary means.
Call it the trolley problem of acquaintance.

Anti-utilitarian, never pull the lever in the trolley problem.

so the trolley problem meme. brothers k has been harder to get into than crime and punishment for me

>>13983296
trolley problem guy cracked me up

In what world am I? There's every bit as much pain in this as the next. Where does it come from? How could this matter?
Too many people. Too many to know, too many to care. For what purpose anyway? I owe them nothing. That's your trolley problem.
I've started wearing cologne. It smells earthy, but I'm not. It's another thing I buy for others. Here you go. Take this, from me, stranger.
I can't hear anything. The cold of bathroom tiles. Suck the air from the room. There's no air here, just scents, just aroma.

>>13893703
(Fyi, I'm against abortion past the first couple of weeks.) Have any of you been in a first year philosophy class doing things like the trolley problem? This is literally that.

>>13857051
>What are some moral dilemmas I can write about?
trolley problem, doctrine of double effect, conflicts of duty

>>13850422
Trolley problem is unironically pretty easy so long as you know the artistic, mystic or intelligent value of the individuals in question. For example if the 1 person on the track is a Shakespeare, Jesus, Rumi or Plato, then he's worth not just 5 ordinary people but 10,000 of them.

>>13850283
Oh yeah? Go on and solve the trolley problem then.

>>13848282
>Ultimate trolley problem
>has no reference to Terry
What did he mean by this?

>>13847904
Ultimate trolley problem

>>13729690
Trolley Problem