/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>46522403
Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.
>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say thisis a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.

>>36731693
Nah Nijisanji filters EOPs, so it isn't popular outside of Japan. Nijisanji completely mogs Hololive in Japan, Hololive is only really popular in SEA and burgerland.

>>33183223
Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.

>>32308314
Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.

Rather than being popular outside Japan, Hololive is only popular outside of it.

>>31467801
It's a subtle difference and the philosophy can be seen quite clearly. Look at what their 3D streams focus on versus the Holos 3D streams.
Listen to what Virtual to Live is about versus Shiny Smily Story.
Nijisanji is more about individualism and niche-ness while Hololive is about a collective feeling of warmth, family (with the Holos and the fanbase), and belonging.
Of course I believe that the drama and toxicity that can be present in Niji's community can be criticised, but it is naturally an element of humanity. They are more in line with the average YouTuber and streamer. Hololive is focused on entertainment as a forefront. Simply put,

Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.

>>29536079
Anon, the time where you could post "niji is numba one in japan but hololive has a larger presence outside" is dead. I wouldn't say that niji is completely irrelevant, they still have some big shots. But how are they more relevant than hololive, even in Japan?
The top 10 most superchatted channels have 6 hololive channels and only 1 Nijisanji channel. In terms of subs even the least popular holo has more subs than your average Niji. At this point the only strength of Niji is the massive amount of vtubers, but individually their talents are WAY behind holo.
And let's not forget 103.50

>>28379774
> Gura is the one bringing new people into Hololive every single day.
Imo, all the subs only care about Gura herself and not hololive. Which isn't really a bad thing.

> Mori's music is way more popular with JOPs than it is with Western normalfags.
Just have to disagree on this one? This topped the charts in a lot of countries outside of Japan. EP posting were also pretty rampant in these threads. Normalfags were also retweeting her EP left and right.

>>28284728
Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.
>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say this is a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.

>>25807002
Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.
>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say this is a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.

>>25535065
Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.
>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say this is a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.

>>25257138
You're wrong, anon. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.
>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say this is a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.

>>25230544
Because Cover caters to idolfags while niji has a more diverse audience. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.
>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say this is a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.

Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.
>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say thisis a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.

>>25012029
Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.
>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say thisis a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.

>>24919787
Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.
Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.
>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say thisis a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.

>>24457103
Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.

Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.

>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say this is a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.

>>24456358
>The difference is that Nijisanji is based more around discussion
Finally someone that gets it. Nijisanji, along with most smaller chuubas, present their contents in a more traditional Japanesque fashion. They rely on bokke-tsukkomi interaction with their audience explicitly more than Hololive chuubas do. That's why Nijisanji (and smaller chuubas) read chats more often, talk and have discussion with chat. It's reminiscent of older NND streamers, where you, the viewers, are part of the stream. Whereas Hololive streams are more akin to watching a performance that you enjoy passively. Though you should note that what the non-Holo chuubas are doing isn't just mere viewers interaction, it's actually deeper than that. This phenomenon is a reflection, a manifestation of the Japanese psyche, of groupthink and their extreme adherence, or even dependence to the concept of fitting in with the herd. It's almost as if it's the most natural way for them to communicate. Couple with the fact that Japanese speech is heavily reliant on aizuchi (explicit verbal agreement/acknowledgment to a person's speech, e.g. everyone uttering "sou, sou" when one person is talking). To the chuuba, the viewer acts as their affirmation, but also, at the same time, the viewers receive their own affirmation from the chuubas towards their comments. It's an explicit demonstration of groupthink, en masse, and in real time, and it's beautiful. If you don't believe this is in fact what's occurring, just watch any Japanese broadcasts. Notice that they always have those window with all the panels? That's the exact same thing. That's there to show the viewers how to react, and to reaffirm them that their reaction is correct, removing the fear of "being different than the group". It's the same thing as the chat here. You're not just a viewer, you're part of the activity! You're there to affirm the chuuba and the other viewers, and they're there for you, and you're all making sure you arrive at the same idea, together. It's a very Japanese thing. It's also why Nijisanji (+ smaller chuubas that do this) are inherently more popular in Japan, whilst simultaneously have little room to expand overseas. Western culture does not have this concept. They won't get it. Aizuchi is considered rude. After all, you're interrupting someone's speech, and without adding anything to the discussion. When the performers perform, you just watch their performance and enjoy it. There is a "you vs them" divide. There is no group movement.

Whereas Hololive, of course, leans more towards the latter style. Its their chuubas themselves that try to make the contents they are doing interesting, by presenting them in an entertaining way. "memes and loud noises" as you say. They don't focus on making the contents interesting with the audience. The audience are just there to watch. To enjoy the performance. It's almost like going to a cinema. They present their content like movies do. Movies, which are, of course, largely a western invention. That's why they click so well with foreigners, because it's what's familiar to them. It's also why the dougatubers before them were more successful with foreigners. None of my Japanese friends quite liked the old style of vtubing. They said it feels alien. But they were popular outside Japan still. Of course they failed because Ai is shit, but Hololive succeeded by applying a similar technique of communication, coupled with having great luck. But they are not Japanesque. Or at the very least, they are a breed of very modan Japanese. As a side note, I believe this is also part of why the more "traditional" Hololivers are not as popular with foreigners. The "talker" Holos. Subaru, Mio, Okayu, etc. It's not only the language barrier at play here; they have their fair share of subbed kirinukis after all. But their contents are just not as entertaining when presented like that. You have to be part of the groupthink. They lean towards the "you just had to be there" style.

>And the people attracted to hololive are there to watch funny dog scream yubi yubi and funny memefox say scatman.
While I won't dispute this, I won't say this is a bad thing either. Neither styles are better or worse than the other (they're both shit and low art if you really want to argue about it). Either can be as entertaining as the other, and you can't quantify entertainment.

tl;dr: like, whatever, dude