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I wanted to learn Japanese Language but I'm not sure of where to begin. Any tips /jp/?

>> No.580476

HINT: Don't learn Japanese.

Learn a more useful language, like Spanish.

>> No.580475

Fuck you.

>> No.580477

Take a class. Practice with students/people who know Japanese.

>> No.580487

If you can't find a class then I recommend the Genki textbook. Still the best way of getting started with japanese despite high price and banal example conversations.

>> No.580489

take classes, easiest way for me at least.

>> No.580498

MAYBE YOU CAN START BY LEARNING

>> No.580507

you can at least learn your kana, before all else.

Otherwise continue as you are, it's somewhat of an inevitable path for all weeaboos who stay on the weeaboo path long enough to eventually learn the language. Watch tv, learn vocabulary via dictionary, slowly learn elementary kanji, self-practice, self-practice, phasing out subtitles and other language-assistants...etc. etc.

>> No.580526

OP here, thanks :)

>> No.580536

>>580487
Seconding the Genki textbook. It's very useful.

>> No.580557

>>580476
spanish is a nasty language. thats what i think at least.
>>580477
classes are good for some people. not me. i cant stand people to begin with. but in japanese class... wow. talk about weabo's.
one kid in my class liked to dress up like ed from full metal alchemist... i mean fma was a decent anime but i sure as hell wouldnt go out dressed like him.
>>580487
we used that text book in cless. it seems decent enough. i just cant learn straight from a text book. doesnt work well for me.
>>580507
good advice. i myself need to stick to one thing for a while. right now im going through kanji. once i get about 800 or so of them im gonna move on. i know 800 isnt much compared to the whole but its a start.
once you get some vocab if you watch anime try it without subs. its gonna suck at first. but youll start to understand things. use a dictionary while you do it... oh but dont talk like they do in animes... in case that wasnt obvious. one thing i really enjoy is jdramas. modern ones not the ones that take place 800 years ago.
ok this was probably the longest post ive ever made on 4chan.

>> No.580562

>>580476
>Learn a more useful language, like Chinese
fix'd.

>> No.580566

>>580557
>ok this was probably the longest post ive ever made on 4chan.
you must be pretty dumb.
you can't even spell a lot of easy words and your grammar sucks.

>> No.580570

Don't learn a second language. Speak English or Die!
..whatever you do DON'T learn spanish.

find rapidshare links or a torrent for RosettaStone 'Learn Japanese' software and 'Pimsleur Japanese' audio CDs both have levels 1, 2 & 3

use them before you go to bed and get a good night sleep which will make what you learn easier to remember.

>> No.580574

>>580557
>talk about weabo's.

Oh, the irony...

>> No.580576

>>580566
im not typing a term paper. this is 4chan. i dont care much about fixing my spelling and grammer here.

>> No.580578

>>580557
>spanish is a nasty language. thats what i think at least.
haha and japanese is a wonderful language right? you'll sound just like your favorite anime character ^_^

>> No.580579

>>580576
there are limits to how dumb you can be.

>> No.580595

>>580579
Just because i dont care about having perfect grammer on 4chan means im an idiot? wow, i should should go tell my calculus 3 teacher hes made a horrible mistake giving me a good grade.

>>580578
Anime isn't why im studying Japanese. i just like the language.
i dont really watch all to much anime.

>> No.580602

ITT: Weaboo wants to learn japanese so he can watch all his favorite Animes and brag to all his online friends.

Unless you're learning it for a practical purpose, don't bother. Nine times out of ten you'll find it harder than it's worth and give up.

I take sweet pleasure in your impending failure.

>> No.580608

>>580595
>grammer
opinion voided.
enjoy your DUMB.

>> No.580617

>>580562
>Learn a more useful language, like Mandarin.
fix'd.

>> No.580619

>>580562
Not as versatile as learning Spainsh, which can get you by in most of the Southern North American, South America, parts of Western Europe. From there, it's only a change of a grammatical ruling or phonic here or there to get you past the the rest of Europe and Canada. From one language, you can make do on 3 different continents.

Can Ching-Chang-Chong talk offer you that?

>> No.580622

>>580619
Chinese people have money though, Spanish-speakers don't.

>> No.580625

>>580622
lol Winner

>> No.580630

>>580619
what use would talking to a bunch of spics do for you?
chinese is good language to know when china takes over the world.
you heard it here first

>> No.580634

>>580557
I seriously want to believe that you are a troll, and not that fucking stupid.
>>580570
Same applies to you, fag. Spanish is a shitty language, that much I can agree, and utterly worthless if you are merikkan, but learning a second (or third or fourth, indulge me) language looks fucking beautiful in a resume, and it'll give you a clear escape route whenever things in meriken/your home country become unbearable.

Also, Rosetta is shit (the people who swear by Heisig probably haven't tried this), and Pimsleur actively encourages the usage of 'anata' with strangers from the second lesson and onward, so without an actual base of moonspeak prior to using the audio, your learning will be fucked up from the very foundations. Not to mention that learning from audiolessons alone is bullshit.
>>580562
Agreed. As far as useful languages go, Chinese and Northern European languages are probably the best. Chinese will be fairly worthless for the next fifteen years or so, unless you plan to actively take a part in the chinese business world, though. Northern european basically because low natality rates + oldening population make a shitload of jobs available, and this trend will continue to apply for a while. Plus, if you come from a shitty underdeveloped country (anything in the latinoland dirtsphere should serve as a perfect example for this. I would know, /ñ/fag here), embassy work usually pays a ton, and they are generally understaffed.
I actually have an anecdote about the topic concerning the nip embassy in Argentina, but I'm digressing.
>>580608
I wanted to point this out, should have typed a shorter message. Damn it.

>> No.580635

>>580622
>>580630
I should've made note to not use the "But China will grow larger, so yeah" counter-argument... but alas, point taken.

>> No.580637

>>580619
>Ching-Chang-Chong
hurr durr i HATE DA CHINESE, MEXICAN PRIDE HOLMES.

>> No.580640

>>580602
That's true. When I was taking classes there were about 25 people in it, by the middle of the semester all but 8 had dropped the class.
That being said it doesn't matter WHY you want to learn Japanese you CAN learn it if you stick with it. Just that the people who start for the wrong reasons IE. to watch anime unsubbed usually don't try hard enough and give up.
Unless you REALLY want to learn a language(especially an Asian language), you wont.

>> No.580644

>>580622
But then, isn't learning Japanese the way to go?

>> No.580649

>>580619

Who the fuck cares about "versatility" when all it means is talking to a bunch of fucking spics? I'll take ANY non-nigger language on the planet over fucking Spanish. Okay, except Jewspeak. Fuck Hebrew and Yiddish and what the fuck ever else those demons use to communicate their insidious Zionist plots. I'm learning Latin because dead languages are the best languages.

>> No.580655

>>580644
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html
1 China $ 363,300,000,000
2 Japan $ 195,900,000,000

Guess who has more money?

>> No.580656
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>>580644
Japan's about as broke as America's going to be within the decade. China and Russia are the only one's profiting.

>> No.580660

>>580640
Exact same in my class. After a bout two weeks, the Weaboo population pretty much vanished, and the class was left with 35% of the initial students. Worst though is when you tell someone you're a Japanese major and they assume you like Anime.

>> No.580664

>>580634
not a troll, just tired as hell and don't feel like correcting my mistakes.

>> No.580670

>>580655
Divide by the population. You get the expected value of money that a randomly chosen person have.

>> No.580672

>>580664
how's that DUMB feeling?

>> No.580681

>>580660
Yea, learning japanese has that connotation.
I'd like to say it's unfounded,
but when you look at the majority of the people trying to lean the language you cant really argue the point.
People just need to realize that there are some out there learning the language for an actual purpose, not just to watch anime without the subs.

>> No.580682

>>580670
irrelevent, china's government doesn't give a shit about the peasants and the povertyfags.

so by your logic, as a citizen of the U.S., i am expected to be thousands of dollars in debt?
i didn't think so.

>> No.580687

>>580670
Per capita doesn't work on emerging/developing countries, though. Division of richness is basically nonexistent, or severely siding towards a select group.

Which makes chinese such a great language to learn, theoretically. As long as you are doing it merely for business, anyway.

>> No.580693

>>580672
Does calling me dumb make you feel big and strong?
Does it make you feel important?
I sure hope it does.
Since it's a proven fact that feeling big on the internet is linked how successful you are.

>> No.580694

>>580682
Faulty logic there, man. Take a course in economy or the like.

But to give you credit, China really doesn't give a shit about povertyfags.

>> No.580699

must this same thread be posted every day until i love it?

>> No.580703

>>580699
This is a board about japan.
You can't expect there not to be 10 threads every day about learning the language.

>> No.580708

Im using Rosetta, Pimsleur and a Heisig knockoff (while I wait for the real books), about an hour of each everyday seems to be working out for me. Pimsleur seems to pronounce a lot of words differently then what I'm used to hearing....

that being said, theres alot of hate for Rosetta but I have learned alot of words faster then any of the other methods for learning. whys there So much hate for it?

>> No.580713

>>580694
well excuuuuuuuuuuse me but my high school economics teacher was a total flake, didn't learn shit in there.
that and i'm an english major, probably the worst mistake of my life.

>> No.580724

>>580708
See your first language's version of Rosetta. You'll realize what's wrong with their method.

>> No.580725

>>580703
But if these people lurked for more than say, 20 minutes, they'd see one pop up already and just gleam the large amount of information in those topics. We get annoyed because despite the frequency of these threads being created, there are only so many books and study techniques to recommend before we start seeing the same shit over and over.

>> No.580732

>>580725
I agree, someone should sticky a thread that people can fill with all the info anyone would need.

>> No.580734

>>580725
Well, some people are just fucking stupid.

>> No.580739

>>580708
Shitty interface, slow as fuck, and not even moon-specialized, so it won't guarantee (or at least, assure) you any good results. Amongst other stuff.
But if it works for you, keep using it. There's no universal method of learning. Just be sure to try some better stuff before sticking to that thing.
Also, Heisig's books are on rapidshare, in case you don't know.

>> No.580751

>>580725
Maybe a sticky about learning Japanese would save /jp/. I guess it'd better be on /lang/ though.

>> No.580755

who/what is heisig?
i keep hearing about this but i never read the whole threads because i'm not really interested.

>> No.580759

>>580725


even if there was a long winded sticky explaining every aspect of how to learn Japanese there would still be threads popping up just like this one.

like someone said before, take away the touhou/L2japanese/meltyblood/have a nice day threads and there would be nothing of /jp/ left...

>> No.580766

>>580755
heisig is a guy who wrote a few books on learning kanji. he uses a method of learning kanji that's different then the rote method.

>> No.580768

>>580755
almost forgot, heres a sample he gives.
its the first part of the book.
http://www.nanzan-u.ac.jp/SHUBUNKEN/publications/miscPublications/pdf/RK4/RK4-00.pdf

>> No.580819

>>580759
it would certainly reduce the occurance though.

>> No.582642

Minna no Nihongo I and II and probably the best beginners books on foundation-level grammar for Japanese I've ever seen.

Coming from a fag who speaks Japanese pretty damn fluently.

>> No.582705

>>580487
Sadly, you are right


But Genki gives you a pretty solid groundwork to be able to talk to Japanese, only you sound like a child

>> No.582734

>>582705
formal japanese is what you mean I guess. It's pretty easy to change formal to more casual.

>> No.582746

mid level weeaboo here.

already had 200+ hours of classroom studies.
knows already 300+ kanji and good vocabulary.
can watch animu and understand about 70% of dialogues.
getting my JLPT level 3 this December =3

>> No.582765
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>>582746
>weeaboo
>200+ hours
>300+ kanji
>JLPT level 3

>> No.582779

>>580595
the retard needs a teacher for Calc. Fuck that. And I didn't forget my sage.

>> No.582889

The main question is: why do you want to learn Japanese and what are you planning to do with it?

If you plan to go to Japan and work you should take classes. It'll be much faster and you will learn how to speak and write correctly. But it's very tiresome, time consuming and requires a lot of money,

If you just want to play visual novels and watch anime I suggest memorizing katakana and hiragana then start memorizing kanjis afterwards. It's a slow process and you will probably take three, five or even ten years until you start writing your own sentences, but you won't waste any money and will learn in your own pace. And if you give up afterwards(like 90% of weeaboos that start learning Japanese) you won't regret anything.

>> No.582966

>>582765
>three, five or even ten years

see >>582765
pic oh so related

>> No.583660

>>582779
There is this thing calling college.
you go there and take classes so you can get a degree and go out and get a job with that degree.

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