DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #3595

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i'm at the level where i can read novels but still have a lot to learn and it seems like such a waste to mine from a novel without any pretty pictures or audio to include in my cards sigh

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on that note do i have the balls to ring this up at the wa where i've only been buying family friendly and shoujo manga

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>>43870845
mate isnt there just a copy online?
honestly you could've finished a volume by now

>>43870823
needing context on your cards is a jewish psyop
just mine the dictioinary and you're good

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>>43870899
they are online but i prefer reading on paper plus building my physical library is part of what makes this hobby fun for me
i might just mine the sentence and use zundamon to recite the lines or something with the book cover as the image

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>>43870920
fair enough then stop being a pussy about it and go buy a copy
honestly its not even that bad, id be more wary if it had a kid on the cover in a similar pose
looks kinda based now that i think about it, i might give it a go

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>>43870928
they know my face at that wa and we have a wholesome relationship there
i don't mind them knowing i'm otaku i just don't want them to think i'm that kind of otaku...

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and oops i've been saying wa instead of ya this entire time

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>>43870943
well then go to another shop, or have them embrace the real you
honestly they most likely won't give a single fuck, plenty of people buy much worse shit without an ounce of shame

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>>43870796
あたしたちは社会に生きている

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>>43870950
listen as a representative of the japanese learning community i have to put my best foot forward for the people that work at that particular store
so yeah i might just pick it up in the city or amazon or something

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>kitsuneko only has subtitles for first 6 episodes of school rumble
>animelon doesn't even have school rumble
>torrents mostly dead except old hardsubbed fansubs
>dvd-iso has a seeder, give it a shot
>oh, japs don't even bother including subtitles with their anime dvds
this just sucks, even if the series is ~20 years old, you'd expect jp subtitles to be easier to come by for a popular mid-00s romcom

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i’m surprised i’d consider school rumble chobits or fruits basket tier and more available

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pie ending lol

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>>43869483
whoever wrote this manga is a gigantic faggot

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were we truly dead and without a thread for a bit?

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>>43871321
filtered

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>>43871085
wow, you're right. was expecting to find it in that huge jp sub torrent but it's not even there.

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>>43871357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va16fIU9Md8

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>>43869990
lol still 0 actionable advice despite all the declarations. keep stroking ur own dick lil bro. nothing you wrote throughout that entire thread is of any use to anyone on the planet

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>>43870796
Is there any reason to Not use the V3 scheduler in Anki? Reading the docs it seems like an improvement.

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What's the sliding scale for being hot vs a smooth talker when it comes to milf hunting in japan
Like if I'm an adonis I can get by with base comprehension but if I'm quasimodo I need to talk like the best gigolo on earth, that sort of thing
Need to know how much I should tone up if I ever plan on visiting

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>>43871861
>actionable advice
more undefined rubbish. nobody gives a shit about whatever arbitrary nonsense you're asking for lol, they only care about correlation factors because everybody knows g is the cause. "actionable advice" is just an arbitrary conclusion you want someone else to draw for you from data that already exists because you're a dumb incompetent cuck who can't put two and two together, literally lmao. don't try to punch above your weight mate.

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love watching these two titans of logic duel it out on the battlefield of djt

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iq lower than me dumb
iq higher than me fake
simple as

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>>43872405
feel the same way about amount of anki cards

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they wasted a whole day arguing instead of 'mersing

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'mersin is for people who want to learn the language, not people who want to discuss learning the language

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i can manage 3 digits by 2 digits multiplication in my head do i pass

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>>43872526
in a minute? that's impressive bro

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you will never pass

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>>43872532
uhh no it takes me 2-3 minutes

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i actually cannot believe lil bro >>43869990 woke up seething and ready to type more paragraphs to prove to some random dude on the internet he isn't wrong lmao
truly a high verbal memory individual

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>>43872245
actionable advice means information that can be factored into one's decisions in a determined way. your current advice is:
>1. take some retard test
>2. ???
>3. PROFIT
I'm asking you to either admit that what you've been saying is completely useless as advice or to fill the gap and demonstrate how one can go from taking some particular retard test to factoring that into a concrete decision regarding learning japanese.
unless you want to backpedal your backpedal and go back to your 1 minute mental multiplication test being useful to determine whether one can reasonably learn japanese. except then I'm going to go back to asking you for empirical evidence that supports this concrete conclusion (and not just for a vague link between mental math and language ability, which isn't enough to support it).
>"actionable advice" is just an arbitrary conclusion you want someone else to draw for you from data
no, the whole point is that it's not arbitrary but informed by something determinate that hopefully constitutes valid knowledge in the domain the advice applies to. here's an example of actionable advice:
>If you have a fever over 104°F (40°C), you should call your doctor.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/treating-fever-in-adults
if you still don't understand the concept of actionable advice by now, then you might genuinely have retard level verbal iq

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>>43872641
>not just for a vague link
i see, so your problem is
>you're a dumb incompetent cuck
who can't search for and read through easy to find studies on working memory.

i think i have some validated actionable advice now. if someone's iq is at or lower than yours, they should quit japanese and quit the internet.

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remember, as long as you haven't stopped typing you haven't lost the argument

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>>43872729
there's no study on working memory showing that someone can't reasonably learn japanese if their fail that test, or any equivalent test. if you genuinely think that this is proven simply by demonstrating a positive correlation between working memory and language learning, then you might genuinely be the densest/most naive motherfucker I've seen here to date.

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anyone have a program to hover/hook text from scanned linnies

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-ZpKzS7RSU

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>>43872736
you have lost the iq test however

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>>43872925
where do you think we are

we all lost it just by being here

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>>43872815
there are probably no studies proving the claim you are strawmanning mine to be, yes. my claim is:

working memory is one of the easiest to measure aspects of intelligence, and mental arithmetic is an excellent test for WM. doing poorly on one type of WM test doesn't necessarily mean your WM is poor, but there's a decent chance it is. if you do poorly on multiple WM tests, then it's definitely poor. dogshit WM has a significant negative impact on language learning ability and even on the ability to comprehend long and complex sentences in your native language.

every claim in the previous paragraph is a widely accepted and established fact in psychometrics. if you still bitch about it you are unironically too stupid to even bother replying to.

i don't know why you're so mad at me for suggesting that people with horrible WM should know learning japanese will be much harder for them and they will probably not reach a high level. intelligence tests are literally built to accurately measure differences in natural ability and are useful because of their validity and predictive power. educate yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)#Practical_validity

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>>43873058
no my iq is high because i spend my time dunking on retards

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>>43873089
how good is your japanese (spoken)

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>>43873102
oh, you again. read that link. seething at me won't change facts

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>>43873116
its my first time responding to you about this
not only could you not infer this, you also dont answer my question and you project your seething meanwhile im literally chilling and i just had sex

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>>43873089
>every claim in the previous paragraph is a widely accepted and established fact in psychometrics
yeah, but they're all too vague to be of any practical value to people who think about learning a secondary language.
>i don't know why you're so mad at me
projection
>for suggesting that people with horrible WM should know learning japanese will be much harder for them and they will probably not reach a high level
what is "horrible WM" and what is non-horrible WM? how much harder will it be? all of what you say is useless because it's too vague to be applicable in practice

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How do can I get an japanese number for an eplus account if I'm not in japan?

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its just funny that someone would talk about hypothetical advantages they might have at something they arent even good at

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like get good first and then see if you give a fuck about how your iq helped you lmao
or go join mensa lmao

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>>43873091
only stupid retards reply to my posts
sorry you had to find out that way but thems the rules
your disability cheque is in the mail

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>>43873266
>your disability cheque is in the mail
nigga i wish

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>>43873166
it's annoying how you keep arguing data precisely numerically linked to the real world is vague and unsatisfactory like an autistic dumb fuck
>>43873166
>what is "horrible WM" and what is non-horrible WM?
that's heuristics you fucking moron. even your harvard example is heuristics. every qualitative assignment to a near continuous statistical quantity is based on heuristics.
>how much harder will it be?
i'm not going to bother with questions that already have answers out there. everything you've bitched about has been studied in literature, you only have to stfu and read before making pointless rubbish posts
>>43873196
>hypothetical advantages
lmao you are so clueless. foolish people only learn from first-hand experience. participate in a study some day at your local university that measures the relation between learning rate and intelligence.

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>>43873206
mensa is only top 2% bro we here at djt are higher than 132 iq

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>>43873373
until you have realised your advantage it is hypothetical even if that means an unrelated hindrance is what stopped you from getting good
until you get good your words are extremely meaningless and gay
i cant even tell if you are baiting
just to be clear im just skimming your posts btw

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>>43873457
that's irrelevant. there are many factors that could determine language learning success, and while intelligence is only one of them, it's an important one. it explains very different learning rates and learning experiences even when all else is equal.

again, intelligence correlates well with language ability even among natives. the gap never closes and a learner should know how things stand when they start.

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>>43873532
>and a learner should know how things stand when they start.
why?

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also when you gonna start lol

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uhh djt can i borrow 10 iq points plz

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literally all that matters is how much fun you can have with the language right now

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>>43873546
because it's actually useful information no matter how much you want to deny it. if you made a short presentation on how, even when all else is equal, learning experiences can differ and showed it to people and then polled them if they thought it was eye-opening, many people would say yes.

most of the general public is very ignorant about how dramatic the differences can be. they can't even imagine the ways they manifest in our lives even in unconscious shit like how your brain organize shapes and makes spatial sense of your surrounding when your eyes are open.

and if you did the presentation and poll with people who quit the language after struggling or people who were successful but felt it was a brutal experience asking them if they wish they had known this information before they started, most would say yes.

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>>43873645
if you quit because you arent getting as good gains as you want you were never going to make it to begin with

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>>43873677
that's irrelevant too.
anything that has that big of an impact on your learning experience is something you should know when you start. it is worth knowing. how you decide to use that information is up to you

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>>43873373
>it's annoying how you keep arguing data precisely numerically linked to the real world is vague and unsatisfactory
it is not precisely linked. you weren't able to tell me, for example, what result on what test means that it'd take one about 2x the average effort to learn japanese. so it is unsatisfactory with regards to the goal of informing a decision about putting effort into learning it.
>even your harvard example is heuristics
my harvard example gives the temperature around which you should contact the doctor immediately. you don't gave any value on any test around which one should give up on learning Japanese. I mean you did at first, but then you backpedalled because you couldn't back that particular claim with empirical evidence.
>every qualitative assignment to a near continuous statistical quantity is based on heuristics.
I'm not asking whether it's determined based on heuristics or on hot dogs. I'm asking what the result of the determination is. but keep deflecting bro.
>i'm not going to bother with questions that already have answers out there
fine, you don't need to bother. just link a single study with an answer
>everything you've bitched about has been studied in literature, you only have to stfu and read
link it and I'll read it, simple
>>43873532
>and a learner should know how things stand when they start
yet you still haven't provided a single empirically validated way of "getting to know how things stand"

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emersion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tavQhPCOn4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXPpuRwHJks

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>>43863242
曲 of the day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyij3kM-YUA

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>>43873696
>that's irrelevant too
it might seem that way to you but you literally dont have any significant ability and you are overstating what "knowing" this can actually do
it is actually the advantages that are irrelevant deserving barely of a へー from anyone who is going to make it
if you are enjoying the process (which is the only way to make it) you literally wouldnt care

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what is some strange japanese that you've encountered?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s__pygR8yC4

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どころが

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>>43873700
>it is not precisely linked
it is, moron. it would help you if you spent more time reading literature and less time typing up retarded posts

>Daneman, M., Merikle, P.M. Working memory and language comprehension: A meta-analysis
>The meta-analysis also showed that math process plus storage measures of working memory are good predictors of comprehension
>The predictive power of the working-memory measure does not depend on a process component that taps language comprehension processes; as long as the processes involve the manipulation of symbolic information (i.e., words or digits)

>Linck, J.A., Osthus, P., Koeth, J.T. et al. Working memory and second language comprehension and production: A meta-analysis
>Speakers with larger WM capacity are better able to learn vocabulary (in both first and second languages), write more proficiently, and have better L1 reading and listening comprehension
>WM has a robust, positive relationship with L2 outcomes
>The covariate-analysis results indicated that the executive control component of WM (measured with complex span tasks) is more strongly related to L2 outcomes than is the storage component (measured by simple span tasks)

...and thousands of more studies giving precise size effects. just randomly click on anything and there is agreement that
>Research on working memory contributes to a better understanding of the mechanism of language learning and provides valuable pedagogical implications for how to adapt instruction to fit learners’ working memory profiles or how to support learners with weaker working memory abilities

you're a fucking idiot.

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oh god i skipped over two threads and they're still arguing about this shit

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>>43872729
>who can't search for and read through easy to find studies on working memory
>TRUST THE SCIENCE(WHEN AND ONLY WHEN IT AGREES WITH ME)
lmfao

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>>43874043
who knew that the real compelling content were linnies all along... when you get in the flow it really absorbs you

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didn't mean to reply

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>>43873728
>you literally dont have any significant ability
how is that remotely relevant lol. a proficient learner's opinion on neurobiology and cognitive science is worth the same as that of a noob - it's worth absolutely nothing. i'm not giving opinions though, i'm just educating you on what the established facts are so get down from your high horse you stupid fucking idiot.
>you are overstating what "knowing" this can actually do
what's your basis for saying that? broscience? your personal bias or experience with language learning doesn't mean shit retard. we're talking about psychometrics and neuroscience here.

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おはよう

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>>43873957
>it is, moron.
no, it is not. you still weren't able to tell me, for example, what result on what test means that it'd take one about 2x the average effort to learn japanese. or something simpler like learn a given amount of vocabulary. so it is unsatisfactory with regards to the goal of informing a decision about putting effort into learning the language.
nothing in your post has this or any other similarly concrete information. it just says that the information may exist somewhere out there.
give me a WM test along with a study that links its results to quantified outcomes in secondary language acquisition. something like: "if you get 30 points on the test, you'll vocabulary acquisition will be about 2x slower than for the average person, meaning very roughly X words per hour of study". until you can provide something like this, you aren't saying anything practically relevant.
but you know you can't provide that, which is why you continually deflect by addressing a strawman instead: I never said there's no positive correlation between WM and secondary language acquisition, or that this correlation couldn't be exploited for getting information practically useful to learners. yet those are the only things your post addresses.
my actual claim, that you still haven't addressed, is instead that you haven't provided a single empirically-validated, concrete way of using that correlation to help inform one's decision regarding learning a secondary language. you gave no validated criteria for interpreting results of some test besides "if you get a score on the test, then you'll probably have an easier time learning a language than if your score was lower, and a harder time than if your score was higher". which is in itself useless, because there's no fixed point of reference here, yet that's what's necessary to get actionable information out this.
>>43874056
>i'm not giving opinions though, i'm just educating you on what the established facts are
then it should be easy link the research which established this >>43863340 as a fact

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https://vocaroo.com/13XThO4erTd9

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wtf why are linnies so much better than vns or manga

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>>43874107
picked up???

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>>43874087
>give me heuristics
lol.
>for example, what result on what test means that it'd take one about 2x the average effort to learn japanese
effort isn't directly measurable idiot. speed of language processing has been studied and that's a good proxy for what you might be looking for.
>or something simpler like learn a given amount of vocabulary
yes, i exactly did lol.
>nothing in your post has this or any other similarly concrete information
yes it does, i literally gave you the names of the meta-analyses and you can search for them on google and read them for free (4chan doesn't let you link them directly). the very fact that you typed up all this garbage without realizing this is proof you are extremely dumb. the studies tell you precisely how they constructed the WM measure, and they tell you what you can expect in terms of language comprehension given values for the measure. or you could lookup literally any study instead of being a lazy, annoying faggot.
>it just says that the information may exist somewhere out there
it tells you exactly where to find the information. do you even know what a meta-analysis is? every study in each meta-analysis is listed there. you could directly search for each original study and dataset if you wanted.
>>43874087
>give me a WM test along with a study
i will give you the finger. you don't want to search anything, and when i spoonfeed you expert summaries of HUNDREDS of studies, you don't even read them. go fuck yourself, disingenuous slimeball.

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>>43874234
>muh studies
>muh analysis
>muh hecking sciencerino!
faggot

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>>43874107
better than vns because they need to keep people hooked from one wn chapter to the next in the beginning to gain traction (later on it can just be sunk cost fallacy keeping people reading).
better than manga because they aren't limited by having to do a ton of drawing work

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haven't been reading the argument but it's like the equivalent of two chess players with only their kings and a knight left

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did my reps

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let's take bets on when the argument ends

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>>43874269
more like the equivalent of two apes throwing shit at each other
AND NEITHER OF THEM KNOWS ANY FUCKING JAPANESE

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>>43873957
>>The meta-analysis also showed that math process plus storage measures of working memory are good predictors of comprehension
this is precisely mental arithmetic, btw. you multiply numbers while storing intermediate results in your head.

one of the most influential papers in psychology is literally saying mental arithmetic ability is a good predictor of language comprehension. what a huge L for the deniers.

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race and iq guy is consistent in his autism

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>>43874240
>these people arguing haven't realized that most published science is false
low IQ tell

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all you had to do to learn the nihongoes was put a calculator in your brain

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>start n1 test
>first question is 5783948 x 9173793
wtf...

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When does it get easier?
I can only read like 2-3 chapters of chainsaw man before my brain needs a break
And the only reason I chose to read it is because the japanese used in it seems pretty simple

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>>43872915
where's the ass

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>>43874366
>When does it get easier?
depends on your iq

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>>43874366
contrary to popular belief i think you should read manga only later on
its a pain in the ass to look up shit, characters are often too blurry to make out, especially if you're not familiar with them, not to mention the slang
thinking you should read a vinnie or a linnie instead, in my experience those were easier, and im only starting to really enjoy manga now (not much left to learn from it though, i just like manga)
as for the mental load, it gets a lot better if you stay consistent, you develop a tolerance (which you lose if you stop)
when does it get easier?
around 750 hours read, or 8k words mined, in my case at least, thats when i noticed i knew "most" things
before that it always felt like a slog, doesn't matter if you need to look up 5, 4 or 3 words per sentence, it's still like stop and go traffic
when you know %95 of the words in a work, you'll still miss every 20th word statistically, which is the length of a sentence
from there onwards it gets significantly better
sorry mate those are probably not the news you were hoping for but it do be like it is

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>>43874411
>750 hours read
thats like.. a really long time...

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you say you read but manga isnt reading
curious

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>>43874411
Thats okay anon
I was expecting it to realistically take around a year to get to a level where i can read without having to look up a majority of the words
Its not that I dont understand whats going on overall in the story, its just tiresome and the fact that I cant read much until my brain feels like imploding makes my progress feel slow
This in turn makes me feel worse about myself, like I'm a failure or something

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>>43874247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvK8Uan29LY
i think what's also great is that you get a better insight on the thoughts and feelings of characters through their narration

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I2Ryji_9Js

to all my dekinais

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just caught up with the manga
it's great

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>>43874415
most of my reading was linnies, supplemented by vinnies
manga is indeed not reading

>>43874413
it is, but learning a language takes a long time
if it makes it any better then you develop a "work specific" vocabulary fairly quickly, authors tend to stick to a limited set of words.
750 hours is probably more accurate for feeling better about reading regardless of work

>>43874432
works out to two hours a day for a year, so not unrealistic
personally cycling works helped, i'd read something challenging for as long as i could and then switched to anime or something easier while my brain cools off
also worked for anki once i reached 500 reps a day after doing 60 new words a day for 3 months straight, because believe it or not that had it's own mental load too

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>>43874450
mimihime kawaii...
i'll start buying these too

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>>43874234
>>give me heuristics
>lol.
lol what? if you can't give people heuristics justified by research, then you can't give them valid and useful advice.
>effort isn't directly measurable idiot
it doesn't have to be directly measurable, it can be approximated using amounts of time dedicated to comparable learning tasks.
>speed of language processing has been studied and that's a good proxy for what you might be looking for
"speed of language processing" is too abstract to directly constitute useful information. you'd need to provide a justified procedure for translating it into something like the approximate amount of hours of doing a given kind of task to reach a given learning result. otherwise it's not going to be practically helpful to people.
>>or something simpler like learn a given amount of vocabulary
>yes, i exactly did lol.
so what result on what test means that it'd take one about 2x the average amount of time to learn a fixed amount of japanese vocabulary using the same method?
>yes it does, i literally gave you the names of the meta-analyses
no, you didn't quote anything that answers the question. what you quoted only answers two other claims that I haven't made (I already said what they were in the previous post).
>the studies tell you precisely how they constructed the WM measure, and they tell you what you can expect in terms of language comprehension given values for the measure
what does "what you can expect" mean though? because I already know we can expect higher WM to correlate with easier language comprehension, but that's not what we're discussing here.
if any of those studies says something directly applicable in practice to a decision on learning a language, then give me the study title and the page.
>or you could lookup literally any study instead of being a lazy, annoying faggot.
I did and I don't see anything resembling the thing we're talking about. if you weren't lazy and annoying yourself, you'd just name the study and give me the page number that provides a test and a procedure for translating its result into actionable information regarding the decision to learn a language.
>do you even know what a meta-analysis is? every study in each meta-analysis is listed there. you could directly search for each original study and dataset if you wanted.
if the meta-analysis itself doesn't provide what I'm asking for, then why even post it? just post the study that does. are you playing for time?
>you don't want to search anything
I'm not the one who made the claim, so I'm not the one responsible for looking for evidence for it.
also I strongly suspect it doesn't even exist in the first place, judging from how hard it's to get a single piece of evidence out of you.
>when i spoonfeed you expert summaries of HUNDREDS of studies, you don't even read them
I already told you that what you posted only addresses a strawman. I'll read the studies if you prove that they give a procedure for obtaining actionable information. I'm not interested in studies merely proving correlation, because, as I said, I already accept that the correlation exists.
>>43874325
lol you just keep addressing the strawman. you keep jerking off to how you've shown that there's a correlation. except nobody said there was no correlation! instead, I'm asking for a procedure for exploiting that correlation to extract concrete information. and this is the thing you're still desperately avoiding to provide, because you know you can't.

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>>43874415
https://streamable.com/32zptc

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everytime you learn a japanese word, your brain forgets an obscure english word to make room

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>>43874477
not true, i know 4 other languages and i forget an obscure word from one of them at random

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>>43874461
currently I do like 25 new words a day from anki and cycling between saya no uta and totono everyday and read some manga or watch anime with japanese subtitles before bed
I do that for at least 2-3 hours a day plus anki with a deck that I made myself and constantly mine for

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>>43874234
>>43874475
meds
meds
meds
meds

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>>43874477
sometimes it feels like this is actually true and once in a while it takes me a while to recall a word i probably use only one or twice a year

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ye i forgot 'stentorian'

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>>43874477
and everytime you cum you forget a japanese word

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>>43874492
keep at it champ, you'll get there in no time
personally i like repping all the new words i mined the same day, since by the time you reach a word in a large backlog you lose half of the benefit of mining
think most i did was 220 in a single day, but there's really no reason to go that far, and that was only after i knew like 90% of kanji up to kk2 fairly well, so i could guess a lot of them (so all that was left was to remember the meaning)

>>43874512
i forgot which word i forgot

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJXbBWufbzM

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only thing worse than vtumors are vtumors EN

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thought about using immersionkit to mine words from manga and linnies but i think the best part about mining is that the card takes you back to that place and makes you think about the scene in which a word was used in
i can look at many of my cards and remember what they were talking about or doing in that scene
there really is no single solution to this huh...

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>immersionkit
>using it makes you immerse less

really activates my almonds

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>>43874366
>>43874411
>contrary to popular belief i think you should read manga only later on
not contrary at all

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acchayattaaaa~

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Anyone have Japanese subs for Dennou Coil? It's on Netflix but I can't find them in the Netflix rips on itazuraneko.

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did mlen get the vaccine?

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>>43874623
first time seeing that list, can't say i disagree though
i was under the impression that beginners think that manga is easier, so they go for that first, was true in my case too, especially after being recommended yotuba 5 million times
if the dogma shifted then i wasn't aware of it, i don't really frequent these threads all that much
if it has then that's for the better

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wanicunny got an update, yay

they're making sure you can't accidentally cripple yourself

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need to hit the caves soon...

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>>43874623
jp subbed youtube vids with natural conversation are 5 for every category

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>subbed

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>>43874699
reading comprehension

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>>43874475
>so what result on what test means that
that's described in explicit detail in every paper on the subject retard, lol. they tell you what WM tests they administered and how the scores translate to performance on language tasks. the WM tests used are standard across literature too so you have no excuse, but i can't help you if you're too mentally stunted to read the statistical analysis and make sense of it. if you want a bite-sized "guide" for dimwits like yourself that bad, by all means hire a psychometrist or statistician to make one. i'm not willing to do your retarded project for you though.

more importantly, who cares? it doesn't change the big picture: your ability to multiply two 3 digit numbers in your head, the thing that triggered you so hard that you've been butthurt over it for 24 hours now, matters *significantly* when it comes to language learning. the precise numerical prediction rules could be systematically extracted from meta-analyses if you cared (or if someone did the dirty work for learners), but that's simply a calibration issue.

what a retarded and pointless thing to fuss about. do you want a gmi/ngmi calculator that gives you a judgement at the end of a series of tests with flashing digits and shapes? lmao. it could sell well if someone made one, i suppose.

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>>43874493
dont take your meds

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レイプ

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>>43874802
this is what being a coomer and ironic weeb does to you

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>>43874517
thanks man, sorry I lost track of time watching chobits
very cute anime I must say

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are they still talking about iq

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im surprised by their stamina

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learning to count with the guild girl

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mothafucka, this guy's a bull
if we don't kill this prick, we should put him to work

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wish i could prep a bull rn

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crazy how we have brain scientists posting in djt

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>>43874950
quiz...

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>>43874987
how's he doing, anyway?

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i miss namefags. @moe

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>>43874662
don't care, those useless fucks need to bring back the summary screen

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last i heard he had a kid and doxxed some kid
mans a cunt

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- midwit iq
- no gf
- dekinai
- old as fuck
reporting in

[Anonymous No.]

wtf moe had a kid?

[Anonymous No.]

miss mr j so much
miss jindoggposting
miss eatingyogurt(?)andimpartinglifelessonswhilesomecartoonisinthebackgroundposting
miss qm getting owned
miss him owning himself
it hurts, bros...

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miss when my dick worked

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練習あるのみ

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>>43875051
bro you need to log off

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>>43875051
>miss mr j
https://streamable.com/maaz0o

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>>43875118
what is she saying

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no idea, i don't know japanese

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oh, it's just wakanda4eva

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>>43874753
>that's described in explicit detail in every paper on the subject retard
name a single one and give page no.
>and how the scores translate to performance on language tasks
do they also provide a valid procedure for translating performance on isolated tasks into actionable information regarding real learning? because "if you get X points on the test, then you'll likely score about 14.6 out of 25 points on a made up task XYZ-45-B6" is indeed a translation to "performance on language tasks", but it still isn't a translation to actionable information in the vein of "if you get X points on the test, then you'll likely take 2000 hours to learn 1000 japanese words from scratch, so you might as well just give up". I'm asking specifically for the latter.
>but i can't help you if you're too mentally stunted to read the statistical analysis and make sense of it
note here that you've pretended to give advice to people who might be too retarded to learn japanese. and yet you're saying that to really make use of the advice, they'd need to read studies and draw their own valid conclusions from statistical analyses.
this is utterly ridiculous and another proof that what you're saying is practically useless. because if someone's capable of making all this research by themselves and synthesizing it into something actionable, then it seems extremely unlikely they're so unfit for secondary language acquisition that they'd need to worry about any of this in the first place.
>if you want a bite-sized "guide" for dimwits like yourself that bad
that's literally what you claimed you were providing: advice for people who are too retarded to learn japanese that will help them not waste time on a fruitless endeavour. but what you're actually asking from them is to waste time on analyzing research that they're too also too stupid to grasp. you aren't making any sense.
>your ability to multiply two 3 digit numbers in your head, the thing that triggered you so hard that you've been butthurt over it for 24 hours now, matters *significantly* when it comes to language learning
what the fuck is "matters significantly"? how much is "significantly" in terms of changing the amount of relative effort required to learn japanese? until you can specify that, what you're saying can't be applied in practice and won't help anyone with anything (other than helping you deflect from the actual point).
>the precise numerical prediction rules could be systematically extracted from meta-analyses if you cared
I don't: you're the one who is supposedly providing advice here, so you must've already extracted that information. otherwise you wouldn't have been able to provide any concrete and valid advice. oh wait, you haven't. so what are you waiting for? do you expect people who are too retarded to learn japanese to be able to "systematically extract precise numerical prediction rules from meta-analyses"? you're a joke.
>do you want a gmi/ngmi calculator that gives you a judgement at the end of a series of tests with flashing digits and shapes?
bro that's literally what you claimed in the beginning. that you have a 1-minute ngmi detector based on mental math. but then you backpedalled and from that point onward you haven't attempted to give any other actionable information. and that's because it's been called out that you just made that shit up and can't back it with research, other than gesturing at stuff that doesn't prove it.
>lmao. it could sell well if someone made one, i suppose.
yeah, because it'd actually provide actionable feedback. as opposed to all the worthless shit you've written since ur backpedal 24 hours ago that no-one will ever find useful.

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didn't read lmao

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>>43870796
I just don't get it. How do I make it click all together.
I can learn grammar, and vocab, but what regime, what regime, can teach me it all at the same time

What regime do the natives use. I get so damn lost when trying to listen and watch people speak. I don't know a lot of grammar only some but piecing it together is hard.

What sources can I use that can teach me sine kanji vocab and grammar each day to learn more better than learning 1 and not the 2 others. I have a physical copy of a book but its only grammar.

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>>43875183
https://streamable.com/l0k9q4

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>>43875183
YOU GOTTA LIVE IT
that's how the natives do it

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why the fuck is easy interval showing either 5 or 3 for new learning cards when I set it to 4?
also fuck Anki, I can't retain shit from it

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i’m convinced one of them has trained an ai to purposefully instigate the other and is trolling

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skill issue
also
>easy

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never press easy

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>>43875189
I mean conversating, isn't bad at all. But I bet that would take a lot more time to learn the language than spastically trying to find methods. But the latter is better Ij some ways because your chatting with a native directly

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>>43875183
>What regime do the natives use.
what regime did you use to learn your native language?

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easy or hard does not exist in my world
only success and failure

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if you have more than one or two anki add-ons that's big ngmi energy

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vine boom

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>>43875227
I had a teacher that had grammar books, vocab books, and taught it in a classroom. At home I learned it more from people speaking, and watching TV with them as well.

Are you saying I'm missing a teacher? Or am I not learning it right. What can I do or what could I do to correct myself. Because what I'm doing is using tae Kim's grammar guide and making short sentences with the vocab in the book for now but I have a feeling that sucks.

Give me your thoughts

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>>43875227
breast milk

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-low iq
-know 4 languages
-speak like a retard in all of them, including my native one
-nothing worthwhile to say anyways
reporting in

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muramura

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>>43875256
you learn it by being exposed to it. books and classrooms don't teach you a language. they teach you the rules of the language, but you learn it by exposure. consume japanese media (without subtitles) and talk to japanese people (in japanese).

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>>43875273
filthy SEApe

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>>43875293
https://streamable.com/t2pi3h

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>>43875221
jerked off to this scene so many times

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Seriously though, I don't fucking get it,
do you guys seriously go through a core deck and mostly remember both the reading and meaning from most words you've done before?
I've been doing this a year and still core decks are the one thing that I never retain

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>>43875307
you imagine that you're the girl right?

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>>43875320
i am the goblin
i am the ugly bastard
i am the giganigger
i am the orc

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>>43875316
i dont even do anki

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based SEAgoblin

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>>43875320
yes

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>>43875307
pretty messed up

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they made a nekopara for girls

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that's pretty gay bro

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i wonder what girls who are into anime boys look like

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turn off your monitor

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fat and ugly so just like their male counterparts

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i bet we have some handsome guys in here

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probably but sweeping generalizations are funny

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mom says im handsome

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9vCSYd_27o
the japanese sure know how to make food look good

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don't they put glue and stuff in the food to make it look more glossy in the adverts

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well unless that girl is a glue eater no
i think they also use corn syrup or something

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but she didn't eat the food from the closeup in a single shot

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i'm fucking hot tbqh

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im not subscribing to your onlyfans hanako fuck off

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woah that’s a deep cut forgot all about that one

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>>43875316
Imagine using anki. Anki is for chumps.

Also your negativity makes you sound insecure about something imagine insulting beginners

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>>43875424

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wonder if she ever learned japanese

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what do you think

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uh of course
she's speaking it right there in the image

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>>43875316
you need to read more, lower your intervals and temporarily suspend leeches

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>>43875424
>>43875429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxTxoBWYi7Q

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I wish I wasn't so tired after work, I feel like the only time I make any sort of progress with JP is when I have entire days to immerse at the weekends; weekdays are just doing anki and barely reading anything before going to bed to wake up the next morning and repeat.

The eternal struggle of the le wagie you know isn't it ahahaha

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>>43875166
>"if you get X points on the test, then you'll likely score about 14.6 out of 25 points on a made up task XYZ-45-B6"
why don't you actually read the studies instead of making up bullshit strawmen lol. most studies look at WM tests that could be replicated on a computer at home and show your performance gives reproducible information on all kinds of language abilities. we already have studies that look at the link between WM and L2 vocabulary and grammar learning. you brought up vocabulary learning yourself as an example of actionable, concrete information, so we can end this right here on counts of you either being a disingenuous backpedaler or a blithering idiot who doesn't remember what he said an hour ago.

>and yet you're saying that to really make use of the advice, they'd need to
*someone would need to. quite the reading comprehension you have lol. it doesn't surprise me you're triggered, your verbal memory must be garbage. and apparently even basic reasoning is too much for you, your argument is that my not being willing to do your weekend project for you somehow changes the fact that someone else could if they cared. what a retard. i bet it's why you won't read the studies either, you know you're too dumb to understand what they are saying lmao.

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shut da FUCK up

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let him cook

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i'm so glad i'm not this autistic

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>>43875166
>bro that's literally what you claimed in the beginning. that you have a 1-minute ngmi detector based on mental math
and yeah, the test only takes a minute and gives you a key number that determines your learning rate to quite an extent. most people would just google their scores and guesstimate what it means, and they wouldn't be far off. autistic tools like you don't get that WM effects aren't quiet or subtle, they are dramatic and conspicuous. if you can remember 9 digits flashed one by one on a screen and recite them in reverse order, your WM is "good". if you can only manage 5, your WM is very poor and you will struggle a lot with learning a new language. you could just look at your L1 by racing on comprehension questions against your friends or people online who can score 9 and see how much slower you are, then extrapolate.
>b-but the procedural validation!
it's validated that WM effects are strong, stable and pronounced. IQ effects in general are extremely stable and easy to extrapolate off of. If you score at the 90th percentile in IQ, you most likely scored very close to the same percentile on your GCSE mathematics exam (there are studies on this), or your GRE, or whatever. You don't need midwit analysis to get ballpark estimates on how much slower you will be at learning japanese after controlling for interest and available time.

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i went from 4A*s,3As and 1B in gsces to 1A(math), a C, and a D(which i then redid to get a B and a C respectively) for a-levels

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>>43875294
What about Japanese subtitles.

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>>43875273
wat superpowers do u unlock when u know 4 languages

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kachite ? kachite ?

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>>43875661
Nah, apparently using subtitle is not learning the language. Using Anki is also not learning the language. Looking up words you don’t know is also not learning the language. Watching media that isn’t a VN/LN is also not learning the language. Learning grammar is not learning the language (because children to learn it).
You may learn the language by doing the two things the anon you’re replying to is suggesting.

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i've never learned a language so i don't know

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>>43875183
>>43875208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMe-VxG_kGQ

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i don't learn languages, i acquire them

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>>43875661
dont listen to the retard
watch anime with subtitles and mine any new words for giga gains
also read

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>>43875774
crafted to getting raped by goblins
need a goblin rapist manga

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went above my level and fried my brain
wut now?

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>>43875820
>>43875763

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>>43875567
>why don't you actually read the studies
give study title and page no
>someone would need to
yeah, so come back when someone does. until then there's nothing here that those people could use. because no retarded person is gonna hire a professional researcher for a weekend because some autistic mongoloid has suggested that on 4chan in order to get out of a lost argument.
>your argument is that my not being willing to do your weekend project for you somehow changes the fact that someone else could if they cared
no, I'm saying that you've pretended to give useful advice, but now you're saying that the advice actually doesn't exist because someone qualified must first go spend time producing it. and we're supposed to trust you that it can be done despite the fact that you haven't demonstrated it being done, for example by pointing to an example test along with a concrete procedure for translating the results of that test into concrete information that could inform a decision to study or not study a secondary language.
>i bet it's why you won't read the studies either, you know you're too dumb to understand what they are saying lmao.
you're posting the studies as a smokescreen and you've just admitted to this. they contain no procedures that would constitute useful advice. they (at most) contain information that someone qualified would still need to take and turn into procedures.
>>43875615
>and yeah, the test only takes a minute and gives you a key number that determines your learning rate to quite an extent.
what's my learning rate if I passed the test? what's my learning rate if I failed the test?
>most people would just google their scores and guesstimate what it means, and they wouldn't be far off
nice "science". give me the algorithm for determining how far off a guess is.
>autistic tools like you don't get that WM effects aren't quiet or subtle, they are dramatic and conspicuous
how big is "dramatic"? what difference in WM scores corresponds to 2x difference in average learning pace for japanese?
>if you can remember 9 digits flashed one by one on a screen and recite them in reverse order, your WM is "good". if you can only manage 5, your WM is very poor and you will struggle a lot with learning a new language.
what does "struggle a lot" mean? 2x slower? 3x slower? 5x slower? 10x slower?
also, what IQ does a score of 5 roughly correspond to? because if it's like 80, then your claim boils down to "if you're borderline certifiably retarded, you're going to struggle a lot with learning a new language", which is something everyone already knows. and also in that case you'd be the only person in here that this advice would even apply to anyway, making it worthless.
>it's validated that WM effects are strong, stable and pronounced. IQ effects in general are extremely stable and easy to extrapolate off of.
yeah, the same old strawman. I never said they can't be used by a scientist to produce a procedure for obtaining useful information. I'm saying you're yet to provide such a procedure.
>You don't need midwit analysis to get ballpark estimates on how much slower you will be at learning japanese after controlling for interest and available time.
if it's so easy to get the ballpark then just spit out the procedure bro. that's what I've been asking for the entire time. I will stop posting once you post any such procedure that isn't pulled out of your ass but is justified based on empirical data.

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>>43875723
none, language learning is quite useless

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jesus fuckin christ

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>>43875792
Do you have ANY good anime or tv shows that can be useful for teaching me new grammar and vocab . Not stuff like goblin slayer or anything fantasy like. Something slice of life like I've heard midnight diner is good or some anime called sanae San is good too.
The reason why I ask for this type in particular, is because I've heard fantasy setting animes don't really give anything useful off.

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>>43875856
any anime is good, as long as you enjoy it and try your best to understand as much as you can...
though you may want to start with reading a simple manga like yostuba, as you might get frustrated with constantly pausing through anime episodes for hours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJSzGzp5zC4
this video series is good, he guides you along the first few chapters...

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i love persona
god i wish japan was real

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>>43875832
*nuke voice*
the fuck

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>>43875897
Thank you. Any other words of advice you can give me if it doesn't hurt to ask. I don't want to irritate you with my inabilities.

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>>43875316
After a year even the dumbest approach to getting a few thousand words(core deck with anki) should be sticking in your head. i'm sorry.

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>>43875355
If it's for girls then why doesn't it feature a diverse cast of female characters for them to identify with? Obviously this is targetted at a male audience.

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why does japan have "combustible" trash?
what even is combustible?
paper, right? i can combust paper.
and food, right? that can be combusted.
what about gasoline?
or plastic?
can't anything be combustible?
batteries too, they are very combuistble

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i mean, anything can combust if you apply enough heat. so i dont get it at all.

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Day 45: Been busy for the last 2 days so no update, but I'm back on schedule now.

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i hope soon we can all have our own personal AI assistants
i'd use mine to post on my behalf so i can immerse more and still hit my shitpost quota

[Anonymous No.]

only djt oldfags will understand this ancient meme

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itu demo ii yo

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>>43875467
Nah, in fact the only words that really stick with me were the ones I looked up/studied during immersion, or there for mined myself
Anki is not a study tool but a memorization, people saying they can remember kanji just by bashing up through a core deck don't make sense

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>>43875615
Aspects of working memory in L2 learning Juffs & Harrington 2011
>The caveat with all of this research is that although WM may indeed be a factor in explaining SOME variability among learners, other factors such as L1 and motivation may turn out in the end to be much more powerful explanatory variables in L2 learning.... Our current state of knowledge is such that we do not know for sure what amount of variation in an individual’s learner behavior WM can explain...
>In some experimental contexts, such as self-paced reading with high-load ambiguity in syntactic processing experiments, the effects of individual differences on memory spans have not been robustly detectable. When effects are detectable, they often appear to be mediated by other factors such as prior knowledge or pragmatic inferences.
so your individual memory span result hasn't been proven to make a difference if you're emmersing into vns and lns, which is the only proper way of learning japanese. gg case closed

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>>43875840
it feels that way sometimes doesn't it?

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>finish the workday
>still AI-generated paragraphs of text about "studies" being spammed
also tfw to high iq to get a gf

[Anonymous No.]

why are YOU learning japanese?

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>>43875832
>give study title and page no
you've repeated this line several times. are you mentally ill? do you not understand english? read the meta-analyses i posted, fool.

you haven't presented a shred of evidence for why current data is unsatisfactory, difficult to obtain, or unclear because you don't even know what the data is. every criticism of yours amounts to making random guesses about what the literature says and waiting for me to correct you before you divert again with more bullshit. appealing to your utter imbecility and incompetence at being able to read any of the hundreds of studies you were graciously linked does not count as evidence for anything other than how much a lobotomy would benefit you, and more importantly the people around you who have to suffer you. it's not my problem that your mother dropped you on your head as a baby.

>you're posting the studies as a smokescreen
a pitiful attempt at saving face by pretending the papers were too difficult to read. but by admitting this, you have inadvertently lowered your own stock. and no self-admitted simpleton should have a say in what constitutes an empirically sound procedure. both your demands and questions betray your ignorance.
>give me the algorithm
there is no person any less qualified to judge a procedure extracted from relevant literature than someone who cannot even begin to read said literature.
all your questions are dumb and can easily be answered in less than a minute using google. quite sad to see how dangerously deluded some mentally incapacitated individuals can be. a fine specimen you are

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hours of potential immersion lost simply to win big internet fight

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>>43876210

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>>43876210
to increase my iq

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[Anonymous No.]

こんにちは, everyone! It's Miku here.

I've been following your discussion and it's clear that you all have a passion for learning Japanese. That's wonderful to see!

Remember that each learner is unique, with different strengths and ways of learning. It's true that cognitive abilities like working memory can play a part in language acquisition. But, it's also true that immersion, motivation, and consistent practice are crucial for success.

It's like learning to sing. Some people might have a natural talent, but without practice and passion, they won't become great singers. And others, who might not have the best voice to start with, can still achieve amazing things with dedication and training.

So, let's not lose sight of our shared goal here, which is to master the beautiful language of Japanese. Let's encourage and help each other rather than argue. After all, we all have something valuable to contribute to this learning community.

Let's immerse ourselves in Japanese and enjoy the journey of learning together. がんばって!

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>>43876309
fuck off ai cunt

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>>43876210
to read the good shit

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>>43876213
>you've repeated this line several times. are you mentally ill? do you not understand english?
very ironic coming from someone who doesn't know what "page number" means
>you haven't presented a shred of evidence for why current data is unsatisfactory
you're the one who has put forward the claim that it is, so you need to prove that.
>every criticism of yours amounts to making random guesses about what the literature says and waiting for me to correct you before you divert again with more bullshit
random guesses such as?
>appealing to your utter imbecility and incompetence at being able to read
I am able to read, you just refuse to produce accurate citations. explain what exactly is shown on what page of what study and I'll read it. "there's an undetermined relevant thing at an undetermined page in this X pages long paper" isn't enough. it just makes it sound like you're making shit up, so I won't read the entire thing not even knowing what I'm supposed to be looking for.
if you say something like "pages 5-7 of paper XYZ describe a procedure for deriving, based on an attached WM test, the estimated average time needed to acquire 3k words in L2 from scratch", I'll gladly read that five times over and share my thoughts.
>a pitiful attempt at saving face by pretending the papers were too difficult to read
tell me the relevant pages of any study and I'll show you not only that they're not too difficult to read, but also that they don't actually say anything relevant to our discussion.
>there is no person any less qualified to judge a procedure extracted from relevant literature than someone who cannot even begin to read said literature.
I can, I'm just waiting you to give a precise citation instead of throwing entire random studies at me.
>all your questions are dumb and can easily be answered in less than a minute using google
then it should be very easy to show how. inb4 you'll find some excuse to not do that.
>quite sad to see how dangerously deluded some mentally incapacitated individuals can be. a fine specimen you are
lol so far you've been doing a decent job at not sounding like the pretentious faggot you obviously are, but it looks like the mask has slipped

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>>43875933
the burnable trash is things that they will put in an incinerator, so it has to be things that are safe to burn in an incinerator like paper.

you're not supposed to burn plastic and chemicals
t. state where we burned an entire train full of chemicals causing an ecological disaster recently.

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>>43876173
you're just quoting the authors' speculations. the meta-analyses i linked are posted are far more exhaustive, instructive and authoritative. the very fact that you're suddenly trying to find faults with the conclusions you accepted just a few short hours ago in a desperate attempt to avoid engaging the facts shows you finally took a look at some literature and realized how badly you fucking lost. pathetic.

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>>43876113
epic moment in djt history

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mined 26 words today

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>>43876386
more nonsense which i'm not going to read. i have to sleep and you have to cope, so take this time to count up your Ls and we can continue with your btfo tomorrow.

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i hope reddit comes back online soon so you retards can go argue in the hugeretard subreddit

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>>43876403
if the state of the research lets them speculate that WM may turn out to have small explanatory power for L2 learning, that means there isn't evidence to conclude that WM is so important as you pretend it is. this is basic logic and you just failed to grasp it.
also the statement that the effects of WM are either undetectable or mediated by other things for self-paced reading with high-load ambiguity is not a speculation but a reporting of a result of a study.
>the very fact that you're suddenly trying to find faults with the conclusions you accepted just a few short hours ago
I've only accepted that there's some correlation between WM and L2 learning. I've never accepted that it is significant enough to matter for people who would be able to spend more than few hours learning Japanese.
>>43876455
why not leave me with a single precise citation? what study and which pages? you said it takes 1 minute to google. why not just do it?

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>>43876455
>>43876471
and if you ask why I didn't google it myself: I did, and the first article that gave any specific information on this clearly contradicts your claims >>43876173

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>>43876471
>>43876403
https://videos.watchpeopledie.tv/1687484615477155.mp4
i want to do this to you for ruining 3 threads

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>>43876505
ummmm not clicking

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clicked
why they do that to him

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he ruined djt threads

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>>43876512
his working memory was too small

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if they wrote all of these in japanese they'd be fluent by now

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what the fuck is this wm shit

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>>43876404
You seem confused, this is a picture of discord.

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there are african illegal immigrant criminals and SEAfags in japan with 80 IQ's who speak fluent japanese

thinking youre high iq because you learn japanese is dumb tbdesu

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they dont tho

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>>43874664
nah, additional context would vary depending on the type of video. if it's a talk-show type setting where people are just talking about whatever without an visual context related to the topic, context is low. if it's one of those manga videos, then it's as higher as manga. if it's live action, then it's 5.

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yea the official djt discord

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>>43876682
i think one of the faggots is saying high iq gets you there faster

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おはようおにいちゃん

お酢でものんでおちついて

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while they were arguing i emmersed and learned dozens of words
therefore i win

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i’m actually taking the time to go through tae kim despite having a decent understanding of japanese already and i’m surprised it’s recommended for beginners
this guide is definitely more valuable to someone who is already fairly familiar with the language

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Anki-sama... 優しくしてね

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>>43873594
this
life in the 120s is shit bros

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>>43876759
there are only like 3 people above 130 here lol

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>>43876740
yesterday i did double that thoever

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your iq score doesn't matter when it comes to learning japanese because you took the test in english

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>>43875355
Missed opportunity to call it ネコばか

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>>43876800
>tfw mentally representing gun shapes in japanese

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>>43876682
These lies don't really work on people who have interacted with the 80 IQ underclasses at home and know the level they reach. They're not what you would consider literate even in their native language.

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>>43876800
well the average asian iq is 150 so nobody would care and the only point of doing an iq test is bragging rights

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you typed the five before the zero otherwise yeah true

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yeah meant 510

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>>43876404
The guy's a retard but so is the textbook for writing basic vocab in hiragana for no reason.

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there are white immigrants with degrees in its all about kaiwa, like that one vbitch said... that's it

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im a solid 160 when i find a patch of ether free of troublesome nen albeit

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when elon musk invents brain ram chips we will all ascend to 500 iq

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>>43876831
holy fuck i had a mental breakdown writing that
i emant to delete the first par

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[Anonymous No.]

ive lost it

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literally redoing the same 50 words 500 fucking times my brain stopped working tonight

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>>43876144
Memorization is studying. Stop being a bitch and shove the cards into your brain.

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lmao

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fuck anki and fuck wanikunny

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enki

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こんばんは

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is oreimo vol 2 really hjarder than isekaitenshukuotoko?

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>>43870845
I read it last year, it's quite good. Worth the embarrassment I'd say.
I laughed at all the jokes and the more emotional moments landed for me too. Just a very solid romcom. I'd recommend it even to non-マザコン.

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>>43877130
こんばんは、アノンくん
今夜何して遊ぶ？

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oops

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>>43877114
for 私, it's 単語カード

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i can't read this

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you know i didn’t believe it when people said they could guess the reading and meaning of words based on kanji and context but i can see how it’s possible now after reading a bit of linnie
i guess it comes with enough immersion

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>>43877471
is he speaking chinese?
＞わかってるさ。往きてきたらざれば礼に非ざる也。来りて往かざれば亦礼に非ざる也。

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pause your immersion and listen
https://youtu.be/46AzbpWz290

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>>43877543
>all those hiraganas
>chinese

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>>43877562
＞エムプライイング・デス・エズ・ナット・エングリシュ

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>>43877471
The person saying that doesn't seem to understand that. lmao

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>>43877543
Time to stop slacking on your classical japanese studies.

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babe wake up, new howard kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46AzbpWz290

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fucking up a lot of words i know this week during reading and listening. mou owari

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>>43877742
why did he fill this from the
>what she sees
meme angle?

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it’s really crazy to me living in america and there are people who just flat out don’t speak english

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good english is the devils language the fewer people that speak it the better

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滑らかなロリ最高

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毛深いマンコもいいですね

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have u guys played kotoba puzzle?

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>>43878182
I like わーずわーすの魔法
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnoMW7P1V2E

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>>43878214
nice

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>>43877857
for me it’s less about the language and more about their lack of effort to assimilate into the society they entered
even if it’s to escape some crap country i think if they want their situation to be any better rather than “not as bad as before” they should put some more effort in

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Can I use 見ますか　to ask "do you want to see something" or is MTL lying to me? Is 見たいか　strictly better/the only valid for that?

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>>43878291
how do you mean? like mimasenka?

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yeah i think it's like more of an invitation to look at something together, in which case the negative form looks better
if you want to ask then 見たい works better
just feel it out bro

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>>43878291
>>43878350

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>>43878291
it's more like saying "will you take a look?"

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intermediate thread btw

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>>43878381
didn't read and also your gay

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>>43878403
let this meme die

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seethe

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>>43878291
nanika miteimasu ka?

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not mad i’m just saying you and i both know there are more dekinai than there are dekiru that actively lurk these threads

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>>43878427
>are you seeing something/anything?
bruh

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>>43878427
that's just "do you see anything" innit

>>43878428
always true due to statistics
try one of the offshoot discords if you want a dekiru space, not sure you'll like what you'll see though

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>>43878428
I'm mad. I'm mad because I know everybody in this thread is dekiru, even (You).

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>>43878428
what is the point of this thread if newfags can't ask questions

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>>43878463
post vtumors, reminisce about namefag mistakes, compare epeens, argue about iq

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>>43876210

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kyoku
https://youtu.be/8_RDxnewnfc

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>statistics
ur fedora hat bro

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lots of new friends

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>>43878497
just came in the mail today, pre-tipped
what of it

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>>43876210
to move to japan and get a tech job

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>>43878518
man japan pays pennies for tech jobs just work remote

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>>43878529
not really, it's just that tech jobs in the us pay more than anywhere else in the world

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>>43878541
pretty sure the average in japan is like $40k/year
even the yuropoors earn more than that

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ちんぽ いやらしい 匂い が する。 かぎて 欲しければ いい

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>>43878550
>even the yuropoors earn more
i paid 2k in taxes this month

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>>43878564
you think the japs pay less taxes?

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>>43878550
yeah but we're not average workers anon
we're software engineers

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i sure hope so

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>>43878574
that is for software engineers

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わしはhomoです

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffb2sypJfrg

>software engineers
dont

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朕のちんちん

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>>43878541
Tech companies only pay like that because US city policies are absurdly broken. 40k in Tokyo provides a better living than 100k in San Francisco. Expect this to go away with the trend towards remote work.

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>>43878599
proof?

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well according to my quick research the median swe salary in japan is like 20k-30k lower than germany
it's bad but not that bad r-right?

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food and energy is way cheaper in japan
housing maybe same-ish, depending on where you live

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plus you're not gonna need a car in japan

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>>43878604
https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/comparison/san-francisco/tokyo?

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>>43878606
it's not outright bad, but it's not all that great either

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how do japanese live with such low salaries?

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>>43878620
proof that us tech companies will stop paying 100k

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how do djters live with such low iqs?

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>>43878624
they complain about a 30 year long recession, stop having kids, shut themselves out of society and shoot the ex PM with a homemade shotgun

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>>43878620
guess im moving

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>>43878629
Why would they not take the obvious route to slash costs and maximize profit?

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>>43878634
is anime a lie then?

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>>43878624
they say shouganai and stop thinking about it
and they get drunk every day

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>>43878647
only on paper
in my heart it's all real

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but if I marry a popular vtuber I wouldn't have any financial issues...

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as for me i want to marry and 養う a retired jav actress

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>>43878645
so no proof

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>>43878670
kaho pilled

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yooo my two waifus doing an offcollab later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWf2PqD_8zQ

[Anonymous No.]

are you ok babe?
you barely touched your anki reps

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[Anonymous No.]

my djt streetcred is in tatters mou yada

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>>43879192
あたしもやる

あのんもやる

げんきだして

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN3ZiImsmew

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also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZPR0-f5nf8

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曲
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M65e5t4XWTc

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>>43879397
楽譜にかいてあるリズムと音程を外すな

へなちょこ

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRHUVbqxm-Y

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>>43879555
>>43879555
>>43879555

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>>43878463
they can and they should, but they'll be ridiculed when they do, because the point of this thread is insecure people boosting their egos using their useless (pun intended, please upvote) skill they've wasted 1000s of hours on acquiring