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>> No.22041538

I decided to keep the OP more concise this time around. The previous thread taught me that the definition needed more work.

I thought to look back at the denpa posts and threads of many years back to better understand how people in the Western community view denpa. As it turns, people have been arguing for years about whether moe songs should be under the scope of denpa, or whether denpa is a genre or an umbrella term - disagreements to the very beginning. Past posters put up great essays about what they consider to be the essence of denpa. I also read about limited fan following in external boards as early as 2003, and how various collections of denpa information came together (mediafire links, pastebin descriptions and the denpa omaera webpage). All of this, and I still have six more years to go to catch up with the present.

The bottom line is that I have to consider more than just the music to understand "denpa". Both for Japanese, who were in a constantly changing environment with the growth of otaku culture, and for us here, who were at the grace of a limited number of collectors and uploaders. There is much more to be learned.


On a separate note, I have a shipment of several interesting albums bound to arrive tomorrow. I'll update once I get my hands on them.

>> No.22042328
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http://denpanosekai.blogspot.com/2019/09/denpa-collection-for-sale.html

To the guy who asked me if I would consider selling parts of my collection instead of all at once -- yes, probably in a couple months from now if I can't move it all at once. So if you really want something maybe drop me a line to reserve it.

And to the other guy who deplored selling the collection for college money -- relax bro I'm in Canada. It's obviously going towards beer!

If y'all see anything non-sealed and non-ripped, I could possibly oblige ;)

>> No.22045088

>>22014506
"Or" will arrive today, alongside with "junk.test SUN". I have more MYU CDs that I haven't gotten to yet as well.

>>22042328
I'll give it some more time, but there are definitely several collections I'm interested in, so I'll be sure to send an email your way to reserve them in case you don't manage to sell everything together. Now that I think about it, haven't you sent snippets of your collection in the past several years? I had the feeling I've seen some of these in photographs sent in the old threads.

>> No.22045987

I recently translated two songs that have a particularly denpa feel to them, though I'm not sure how UTAU is received on this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-t2gaanZrw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQZ_Ehy7DyM

>> No.22048749

>>22045987

> ろりたみのろ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooZ5ZUaYcuc

Good crazy shit. Kikuo on (more) drugs.

>> No.22049073

>>22045987
Never heard this before, i'm really enjoying the ろりたみ album!

>> No.22049448

みんなのまにきゅあ became one of my favorites denpa album! Everything is so perfect.

proto-denpa actually.

Thank you guy from denpa pentateuch, It's a pleasure to have discovered まにきゅあ団

What happened to this band?

>> No.22050896

>>22049448
They for the most part disbanded after their 1997 major debut CD album, with each member going their separate way. Shinji Hosoe and Ayako Saso maintain Troubadour Record to this day and publish their music under their personal label SuperSweep. Ikuko Ebata works under ZIZZ STUDIO, mostly as a lyricist but occasionally as a performer as well. Nobuyoshi Sano and Hiroto Sasaki have had mostly commercial careers. Hosoe and Ebata were surprised at the connection between their music and the term "denpa", but unlike Momoi Haruko, it didn't seem like they found it offensive. Perhaps they forgot, but they had a similar term for their upbeat and quirky music. When I finally get to it, I'll put up a blog post about it all, but alas, I can't get myself to write right now.

>> No.22053699

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTJVY3YySJ4

>> No.22057208

Experiençing some delivery delays unfortunately, so the CDs will take st least a few more days to arrive.

>> No.22057228

>>22057208
I was getting anxious ahh.. thanks for the update. Think I remember you had also ordered "Expression", a more recent album of theirs. I'd love to get to hear that junk.test album too.

>>22042328
Any chance your copy of Mirin's アタラセカイ has a good track 2?

>> No.22060701

>>22057208
Mins just arrived

>> No.22060711

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emznKCCChM0 Tokimeki Hotaru-tan 3 never

>> No.22064157

>>22060701
What have you ordered this time around? Things from the past Comiket? I've ordered with EMS and they simply refuse to deliver nor answer my calls. I am able to set up new delivery dates, but they simply never arrive. After the weekend I'll have to think of something new, else I'll find the CDs shipped back to Japan or otherwise disposed of.

>> No.22069618

https://files.catbox.moe/z7fpeo.mp3

>> No.22069684

>>22069618
This is beautiful, congrats to whoever made it!!

>> No.22071536

>>22069618
caturday.mp3

>> No.22076241

>>22041531
>>22069618
This track accompanied this peculiar album - "harmony", by circle KEYBOARDSOFT in 2004. It was a Harry Potter arrangement album, in which vocalists Haruka Shimotsuki, Tohko Morinaga, Miya Kunii and Kaayu Aoi participated. The song I linked is a joke version of another song in the album, named "Hogwarts Express". The linked version is understandably labeled "Nya Nya Express". Unfortunately, I never managed to get my hands on the album, but this piece was featured on Tohko Morinaga's "Nagobest" best-of collection. I love how the five of them (four singers alongside composer FOX) break down in laughter, realizing the silliness of what they're doing, saying "it was cute!". Simply magical.

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22078873

Was anyone here lucky enough to attend todays Magical Star Live?

>> No.22080931

>>22078873
I missed it, like every single time. Fuck timezones.

>> No.22084864

The CDs arrived at last. I'll see what I can dig over the next hours.

>> No.22087884

>>22084864
I look forward to your findings.

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I'll begin with Fumie Hosokawa's first single, "Sukisukisuu" from 1992. I brought her up in the previous thread for her proto-denpa singing. Interestingly enough, I could find a link between the idol industry and otaku, to explain in part why this song feels like a moe song to me. I'll write about it in depth in the future.
https://mega.nz/#!4U0E0SSB!EpA_j8S44W5R7yGC_fhRMaDyUbW_hL2uxfY69GW4ieM

>> No.22090202

does anyone have anything by 中央食堂? Summer Paradise is the only one I could find.

>> No.22090211

>>22089124
I'm in love with the c/w track, holy cow

>> No.22090339

AFTER CHRISTIANITY COMES ANIME

CONVERT THE BARBARIANS WITH ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES

PLAY IT LOUD SAY I'M WEEB N I'M PROUD

LEWDITES ARE THE NEW LUDDITES, THE NEW DARK AGE IS THE 2D AGE

IN COURT WE WILL SAY: THE DENPAS MADE US DO IT ;_; o7

>> No.22090345

ｈａｐｐｙ　ｄａｙ　ｌｏｌｉ　ｄａｙ　ｅｖｅｒｙ　ｄａｙ

>> No.22090749

I thought denpa is supposed to be weird novels/music/manga that makes your skin crawl, not some cute moe songs.

>> No.22090822

>>22090749
it's complicated and the scene has branched out in a lot of weird ways.

>> No.22090938

>>22090749

I thought denpa was a derogatory term for schizophrenics.

>> No.22090943

>>22090938

No, I think it's a shorthand for electromagnetic waves. Something notoriously hard to capture and put in a box to look at.

>> No.22090952

SPEAKING OF ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRES AND SPECTRUM....


A SPECTRUM IS HAUNTING EUROPE, THE...

>> No.22090971

>>22090822
Where do I look for creepy and unsettling denpa?

>> No.22090978

>>22090749

Does moe not make your skin crawl? Then you're one of the few with your two dimensional eye open!

>> No.22090988

>>22090971

https://emamouse.bandcamp.com/

owo was diss

>> No.22092700

Hey I went to http://www.odenpa.jp/

I can read almost everything here, but I was hoping to find a lyrics page for their newer stuff. How do Japanese people even look up lyrics for songs online?

>> No.22092702

>>22090345
EVERY LOVELY HAPPY TIME

>> No.22092940

>>22042328
>Odenpa Studio's first single
WHAT?! I've been looking for it since forever! I don't really know why nobody has uploaded it yet, but I would be extremely grateful if whoever got it did so.

>> No.22096728

>>22090988
Noice.

>> No.22100239
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Bukimisha CD coming up in a bit. As it turns, its founder released CDs as early as 1991, but the circle itself was only formed afterwards, releasing its first CD in 1993. Around those years the same person also released several cassette tapes, likely also containing acappella arrangements. I wonder how popular he was at the time.

>> No.22102207

There it is - "Hearty Singing Voice T1", by Secret Society Bukimisha from 1994. You haven't lived until you've listened to acappella "Majokko Megu-chan".
https://mega.nz/#!dMsDkSKb!W9jnY_X89eUXzIZRAFI61wWdqGygF3OTd8eHzRZ8Dbk

>> No.22102390

peak noisy denpa?

>> No.22102406

>>22102390
MilliRobo.beta?

>> No.22108308

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwsdg9H3chY

>> No.22112011

MilliRobo.beta third album when.

>> No.22114717

>>22112011
hopefully next comiket

>> No.22118574

junk.test SUN by mplayers RECORD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2VexeB-rhk

>> No.22123431

>>22090988
I wouldn't necessarily call emamouse creepy.

>> No.22127120

https://soundcloud.com/kotonoprism/ktpr-0001-kotonoprism01

Upcoming.

>> No.22129062

These threads are dead. It was a good ride bros.

>> No.22129212

>>22129062
Are you new? These threads have always been dead in the downtime between events.

>> No.22130989

>>22129212
I've been here for 2 years. It's very rarely this dead.

>> No.22133506

>>22130989
It was less dead because of the same retards always arguing about how nanahira sucks or moedenpa isn't real denpa. Haven't seen that in a while, so that explains less activity

>> No.22133750

>>22133506
This, plus someone has been making a new thread every time one dies, which isn't the best idea really.

>> No.22135401

>>22130989
Everyone's moved on. Why haven't you?

>> No.22136375

>>22135401
Where to?

>> No.22136745

>>22133750
I've gotten somewhat busy lately which means I cannot maintain the threads as I've done with the past few ones (and also explains the lack of new articles). I likely won't create a new one when this one dies. The threads will go on as long as I continue to provide content separate from the event releases.

>> No.22138311

Nanahira-sama is the best.

>> No.22138491

In the past weeks I've thought to myself about when the elements that make denpa and moe songs today manifested, under the assumption that no single artist exists in a bubble - every musician was influenced by musicians of their current and past generations. Science fiction, for example, has been the original otaku field of interest, so it could explain why outer space became a recurring theme in denpa music later.
The Fukugawa street stabber, in his rambling about being manipulated by aliens with electromagnetic waves, was the manifestation of science fiction in a mental illness. Then, the "burikko" behavior of Japanese idols in the early 80s was all about a guise of childishness and playfulness worn by suggestive adult women, accompanied by equally meek and innocent pop songs. These same years, the bishoujo drawing style became increasingly popular, enveloping the entire otaku community, and later being shaped into "moe". Both served to create a sexual image that is not aware of its own sexuality.

Another thing to consider is how Western fans thought of the music as it became popular in the early 2000s - the impressions of past listeners remains today. The fights over whether "moedenpa" is "real denpa" are a result of never properly separating the two. This also appears in the thread title, as it's "Denpa Thread" and not "Denpa and Moe Music Thread". The two have separate foundations and separate developmental paths, joining together for brief moments throughout the 90s, and commonly appearing together ever since the early 2000s.

All of this came to me after speaking to several associates of mine who focus different fields, namely the idol industry and otaku culture history. This step back means I need to revise what I wrote so far, and think over certain things. That said, I think Manikyua-Dan still is a great example of how these topics touch, so it's about time I continue writing about it.

>> No.22140416

These threads are fun and I like them.

>> No.22144511

As long as a person is mentally ill, is there not a big difference between taking a fictional character as a beloved waifu and claiming that aliens penetrate your heart through a microwave oven? For all we know, Denpa may be real. Moe may help relieve social pain. I think both concepts are the same as the symptoms of religious people who are crazy because they live in a world where actions such as levitating and walking on water are considered humanly impossible. So in reality, you need a lot of escape and what looks like a geek culture. I also wondered if we were really the subject of a hybridization/conditioning program, due to the similarities between the way facial features of the anime are drawn and the depiction of a certain alien species.

>> No.22146472

>>22144511
So what you are saying is that there exist aliens out there that look and sound like anime girls?

>> No.22146671

>>22146472
Yes, idk...probably hybrids, if so.

>> No.22149443

>>22138491
Why would moedenpa not be considered true denpa? Sorry, I wasn't here when the discussion took place.

>> No.22152666

>>22149443
The gist of it is that moedenpa is simply J-pop with cute vocals and therefore not true denpa. It was mainly a way for early-mid 2000s denpa fans to harass fans of later denpa music, like Nanahira, Choko and Momobako. The term "trudenpa" is some sort of a parody of that mindset.

When I first started browsing these threads around three years back there were still people complaining about the prevalence of moe denpa, but these sort of discussions eventually dwindled, giving space to other topics.

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>>22149443

>> No.22153909

>>22153194
On one hand I can see what they are getting at. On the other hand I can't help but feel that most "moe-songs" have no problem being grouped into "crazy/weird". Just stop up for a moment and think about what japanese society at large would think about the lyrics that e.g. 桃箱、ななひら、とろ美、MOSAIC.WAW, 33.turbo, etc sing. It's maids, lolis, and various sexual innuendos all over the place, just to mention some topics that often pop up. Maybe it's just me that hasn't listened to enough denpa to truly get what they are talking about?

>> No.22153911

>>22146671
maybe

>> No.22155394

>>22153194
What a lively time!

I have a feeling that the denpa community is getting smaller and smaller, only I have this feeling?

Once nanahira, toromi and mosaic stop, the genre will eventually die in Japan I believe. No new artists will emerge. Tell me a new artist who has got some space and attention in the scene in the last 5 years?

The reality is that no girl and no guy wants to become a denpa singer / arranger nowdays.

the denpa genre will boil down to kawaii moe music that will occasionally get some comiket releases when it parodies the music of some game or something. Great original releases no more.

The old guys stop and the new guys don't even know what denpa is.

The 2020s won't be promising, guys. The otaku culture of the 2020s will be filled with vtuber, alt-idols and smarthphone games. That's what kids born in the 2000's and 2010's like. We realize how time went by when we realize that the 90s will soon turn 30.

>> No.22155642

>>22155394
Are we really witnessing the final days of denpa? That'd be too sad...

>> No.22156508

>>22155642
It wouldn't be the first cultural phenomen that appeared suddenly, and died quietly. For obvious reasons we usually read about them as a footnote in history, but I bet the practisoners at the time were just as upset. Though there are already many things about otaku culture from the late 90s and the 00s that have largely dissapeared. Perhaps we must resign ourselves to seeing the beauty in what was, and try to kindle forth the next generation of cultural phenomena.

>> No.22156552

>>22156508
For whatever reason, I truly felt like denpa would be a more transcendental phenomenon, but just as you said, the enthusiasts of those bygone fads or phenomena or whatever must've thought the same. I'd like to keep an optimistic outlook and hope that denpa keeps on giving for a long time from now, though.

>> No.22156576

>>22153909
What I've been try to say, is that people have argued for the past decade over misunderstanding of fanmade terms - "denpa song" is the name Japanese fans gave to music showing denpa qualities, and likewise, "moe song" is the name Japanese fans gave to music showing moe qualities. These appear in the singing, composition and/or writing. From the early-mid 2000s onwards, the two qualities almost entirely stopped appearing by themselves, with most artists and bands combining moe and denpa qualities to varying degrees. It was only after that the combined moe-denpa music spread into Western otaku culture fanbases, but the distinction between the two qualities wasn't retained - "denpa" became an umbrella term, and "moe" was simply thought to be a part of "denpa". What people really were arguing over was the degree of moe expressed in the music.

Going over what you've written, I see the same mindset of placing "moedenpa" under the denpa umbrella. I think that the right way to understand it is putting "moedenpa" inbetween moe and denpa. The vast majority of music shared in these threads over their entire history were songs containing both denpa and moe - from UNDER17 and MOSAIC.WAV to Momobako, Nanahira and Toromi. There is considerably less music containing only denpa qualities and zero moe.

>>22156508
I don't think it's seeing the full picture if you only attribute it to single bands and artists. The dwindling sales of eroge and weak presence of otaku community as opposed to the mid-late 2000s are greater limiting factors in exposing new fans to the music. That said, the music has been going strong for almost 30 years now, under different names, so I don't really worry for it. We'll have it in one form or another.

>> No.22157877

I get the feeling some of the posters here participated in this thread but I will post it regardless because it has a lot of really interesting information.

https://archive.fo/3OZqQ

>> No.22158541

>>22157877
It was almost surreal reading the thread because of how much I have in common with the OP, but alas, I never once posted in there, so it can't be me. What a shame, looks like one fine, dedicated researcher.

>> No.22160599

>>22156576
Maybe it's clearer to say that moe started as a separate but related element that ended up becoming correlated and then conflated with denpa itself.

>> No.22160612

>>22157877
>OP almost dies at the end
Well that was a ride

>> No.22162338

https://twitter.com/gyrotin/status/1178344185981652993

>> No.22163024

>>22157877
The thread began in early June and ended in late September. Summer, comiket, the period that all denpa thread should begin. In my opinion we should only have 2 threads per year. Winter and summer and in the middle of each, of course, the comiket. That way, with only 2 threads a year, the expectation and desire to talk about denpa would make the thread not as dead as it is being right now for example.

>> No.22163341

>>22163024
I agree but it's rather hard to have a longlived thread like that on here because any discussion gets pushed off the board by all the template and general threads that are being created.

>> No.22163831

>>22163024
M3 might also call for one, although it's still a bit far away for a good flood of xfds.

>> No.22165601

toromi's super obscure song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOj76DM32-A Believe it or not, I found this rarity on last.fm. What a surprise, this site in process of decomposition with such jewel. Someone just shared this private link.

I've been a big fan of toromi for a long time and didn't know it existed.

>> No.22166418

>>22165601
This is awesome, Toromi slaying it on what sounds like metal-enka? I would've never dreamed. Thanks for sharing!

>> No.22166728

>>22165601
Unbelievable. What a wonderful song, what unique and disturbing vocals (in a good way).
Listen to toromi with this Yngwie Malsteen style guitar made my day.

>> No.22169348

>>22157877
That looks like an awesome thread! It's really too bad all the webms have been lost, I feel like that would really improve the experience of reading the thread.

>> No.22172154

バンプソングニャン!

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>>22157877
>>22169348
While not all of them, I've uploaded some of the webms from the thread here.
https://pastebin.com/VjvBrS0H
Also, a rip of ド・レ・ミ・ファ・ソ・ラ・シ・ド・シ・シ・ド・ル・ミ
https://files.catbox.moe/uq9f9d.zip

>> No.22177138

Bumping thread to prevent it from falling off the board.

>> No.22177829

I'm new. Are the youtube playlists a good introduction to denpa?

>> No.22179364

>>22177829
Which youtube playlists are those?

>> No.22185120

Denpa's the only thing keeping me from commiting suicide. Bump for my life.

>> No.22186241

>>22165601

Here's a recent Toromi track that flew under the radar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YOPn-K32Lk

>> No.22188355

>>22069618
>>22076241
I really loved Hogwarts Express a lot from Nagobest so hearing this is funny. Where did you find it?

>> No.22189277

>>22188355
It's in the DVD that accompanies the music CD - around 70 Tohko Morinaga tracks. That's where the three live appearance videos are as well. I might put it up for download in the future, since it's a fairly large collection of moe-esque songs that people in these threads never got to know.

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Bump wish to the denpa gods...

>> No.22199110

>>22173265
Thanks, as it turns out a lot of them are on YouTube so that's good. Maybe 8ch will come back one day so I can take a full backup though the thread may be long dead by now. I'm not really clear on how 8ch works, I guess there is an archive as well.

>> No.22199356

Looks like an upcoming MOSAIC.WAV release this M3.

https://twitter.com/mosaicwav/status/1180057838237839361

>> No.22201922

>>22199356
>https://twitter.com/mosaicwav/status/1180057838237839361
I always wondered, any reason why Mosaic.WAV always make their album covers lewd? The lyrics of their songs rarely have sexual innuendo,as far as I understand them

>> No.22202446

A friend of mine sent me this song earlier, and I thought it had at least a little bit of denpa in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRXWVefmJQA

>> No.22204276

Choko + rissyuu for BOF.

https://twitter.com/cho_v_ko/status/1180857156175687681

>> No.22206067

Anyone got scans for nanahira’s ごーいん? Barely readable pictures work too.

>> No.22206198

>>22206067
Refer to >>21876355

>> No.22208230

MMBK released a new song a couple days ago, any thoughts? I think it's a huge downgrade
https://twitter.com/Patra_HNST/status/1179463440957444096

>> No.22208322

>>22208230
You mean Patra?

>> No.22208612

>>22208230
I'm surprised she returned to music so soon. If she wants to keep making music I think she should keep releasing albums as momobako, but doing it at a slower pace.

I think singing may be her passion but on the other hand it takes more than singing to sell an album. Her release cycle was too intense for several years in my opinion. When I look at my favorite musicians across genres, it takes them a year or more to put out a new album.

She's tried a lot of different things by now and made great albums before. I respect her decision but at the same time I wish I understood it better.

>> No.22209017

>>22208612
She never left music really. I saw her doing streams where she fooled around her DAW and made some music. It's good to know she genuinely likes it, that or she wanted to use her skills since it'd be a waste to throw it all away. As a vtuber you still have a lot of freedom. She's one of the vtubers that makes the most money by the way, it's pretty crazy to see an artist you've known for years quickly become so successful there.

>> No.22210040

>>22209017
From what I could tell, it looked like her ASMR videos were her most popular videos by an order of magnitude. I'd imagine that's her cash cow, which kind of makes sense I guess given her skills.

My personal theory is that her and many other denpa artists are running into the same problem, which is finding good music to perform. The main difference between momobako and nanahira is that nanahira made a hit, and she's since chosen to perform music almost exclusively by her collab partner on that song. Momobako never found that hit and has had a hard time finding a composer she liked. Therefore, she pivoted to a different medium that leverages the skills she's built over the years but simultaneously doesn't require a composer.

Both have become pretty YouTube-ified and possibly also targeting a younger audience. I'd also guess they're one of the few denpa singers who were full-time. Anyway, that's all just my speculation, I could be wrong.

>> No.22210469

>>22208612
I'm glad she's continuing to make music but as the other posters said said she makes a lot of money from youtube now, with the asmr videos bringing in a huge chunk. I fear the denpa scene is dying out but she was smart enough to pivot.

>> No.22210480

Some MilliRobo.Beta songs make me sick, as if I were having a fever dream. I love it.

>> No.22210503

>>22210469
MOSAIC.WAV, ave;new, NanosizeMir and Deremas charasongs are my big hopes to keep the scene alive, they keep pumping out good quality shit even after all these years

>> No.22212931

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGr6P0Wexqw

>> No.22216730

I miss odenpa sutajio

>> No.22216730,2 [INTERNAL] 

Recently nanahira has been streaming games on her Youtube channel and I've noticed that alot of people comment about that nanahira should become a Vtuber. Believe it or not she already has and it seems not many people know about it.
Her Vtuber channel name is " Nijino Mahoro".

>> No.22216730,3 [INTERNAL] 

Recently nanahira has been streaming games on her Youtube channel and I've noticed that alot of people comment about that Nanahira should become a Vtuber. Believe it or not she already has and it seems not many people know about it.
Her Vtuber channel name is " Nijino Mahoro"

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