/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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which decade had it better?

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neither
they're both shit

[Anonymous No.]

looks equally bad tbqh

i never got the vocaloid thing, sure theres a good song here and there, but thats it

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2000's

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don't make me choose between KanColle and Vocaloid you monster

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2000's

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Without a doubt, it’s the 2000’s that did it better

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The 10s feels like it was a complete dud in more ways than one. Nothing really "sticked" in many medias let alone Otaku media.

]Better now than later. This is certainly another one of "those types of threads."

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>>20718091
1. No opinion
2. Touhou > KanColle
3. Vocaloid > vtubers
X. The Rozen dolls > no prominent franchise with delicious doll joints

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>>20718091
As far as I know, all the things on the left still have threads on the jay and only one on the right still does.

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>>20718379
>sticked

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>>20718507
forgot to change that.
the original was "sticked" in the slightest and was basically throwing shit at the wall

Some stuck but not to the point where it is revolutionary enough to stay relevant in a meaningful or impactful way.

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>>20718379
Are virtual youtubers that bad? I don't watch them often, but I've seen a few entertaining videos from the smaller ones.

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>>20718527
It's popular.

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>>20718525
I mean the word is "stuck," not "sticked."

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>>20718527
Consider this.
Half of 4chan threw a fucking fit during the VTuber shit.

If you think this way, take a random 3DPD Whore and stick her behind a computer generated model and broadcast that shit as "2.5D" by many.
It is practically another form of Idol worship considering this shit is solely Japanese based and normalfags eat that shit up like a weed addict with the munchies.

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>>20718091
What's this? Nicovideo culture comparison?

2010s were better for anime anyway. Lots of good anime around the early 2010s. So much shit in the latter half of the 2000s. 2000s were just the internet culture era, so comparing internet culture, 2000s was better.

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>>20718091
2000s: media made out of passion, things had a unique quality to them, a "soul" if you will.
2010s: media made to bait weebs who'd gladly pay for PNGs voiced by their favorite seiyuu.

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2000, but the idolcrap is it's own thing and a prelude to 2010's soullessness

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>>20718552
Vtubers are basically Japan reviving its tradition of puppet shows for the 21st century.

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>>20718091
80's and 90's had stunning dedication for details. All the rest just sucks.

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>>20718091
2000's, because doujin soft
fan games haven't completely died in 2010's, but damn it feels like quality releases are now light years apart from each other.
I don't have any strong feelings on idols, youtube stars, fads or whatever. Not anymore at least

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>>20718958
24yo here.
This is so accurate it hurts.

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To this day I don't know whether I preferred 00s culture because it's actually better in some way, or because my first contact with 00s otaku culture was when I was naive and full of wonder and 10s otaku culture ran with as it came.

>>20718527
Watch them and form your own opinion instead of asking people what you should think. I don't like most VTubers but it turns out there are about a thousand out there and in the end I found a few that were to my liking.

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To this day I don't know whether I preferred 00s culture because it's actually better in some way, or because my first contact with 00s otaku culture was back when I was naive and full of wonder, and 10s otaku culture I ran with as it came.

>>20718527
Watch them and form your own opinion instead of asking people what you should think of them. I don't like most VTubers but it turns out there are about a thousand out there, and it happens that I happened to come across a few that I liked.

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>>20718527
Vtubers are the same thing as regular youtubers, there isn't virtually any difference between a vtuber and pewdewpie wearing a kigurumi.

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>>20721782
That's like saying there's literally no difference between Imai Asami and Chihaya. There's a huge fucking difference: one of them is a character and one of them is not.

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>>20718110
The songs and producers are really good and unique however I get it when people dislike the quality and sound of vocaloids even though the new ones improved a lot. These people usually listen to the utaite covers.

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>>20718091
is fgo going to overtake kancolle as the porn game of 2010?

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>>20718835
/thread

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>>20718091
cancoli is for furries for /k/fags and virtual youtubers are so boring, outside of kizuna AI she was the first and only good one, rest is souless.

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>>20718091
The devil (autism) is in the details

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>>20718091
top two are trash
middle two are tolerable, but touhou is obviously better
bottom two are trash
dont know what else to say

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>>20718379
>soulless
Go back to /v/.

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>>20718091
2000's by virtue of not having fully dived into mobileshit yet

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>>20718091
Only good thing there are idols.

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>>20723236
>>20718151
I don't understand the hate against vocaloids, there are a lot of good vocaloid songs.

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>>20723294
Fuck off crossboarder. Calling KanKusoge a piece of soulless trash has been done for years.
Educate yourself by going into the archives or fucking off.
"Soulless" isn't some new fucking phrase being tossed around.

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>>20722382
Noja-loli ojisan has more soul than kizuna ever did.

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>>20718091

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>>20724804
based

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>>20725117
on what?

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>>20718552
>take a random 3DPD Whore
All vtubers are voiced by males with a voice changer.

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>>20724804
Perfect

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>>20718091
>which decade had it better?
Gosh, let's see

>Idolm@ster vs. an Idolm@ster clone

>A doujin game franchise helmed by a single creative that endures to this day vs a soulless corporate owned mobage with a shitty anime already playing second fiddle to other franchises exploiting the same demographic

>A medium for fan created content versus just another symptom of people's vacuous consumption of empty media, no different from LPers, many of which are, like Kancolle, company owned

I'll give it to the 2000s

>inb4 'who are you quoting'
Your mother, fuck off

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>>20728013
Who are you quoting?

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>>20728013
I agree with that opinion but who said all of that? Who the fuck are you quoting?

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2000s

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>>20729522
>>20731274
I mean he technically is quoting the image by giving descriptions of what the each of them represents if that makes any sense to you

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>>20718091
Most 2010s fags are shitty discord children while 2000s fags are insufferable oldfaggots. It's really a matter of who you hate less and for me it's the oldfags.

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>>20731341
Except he technically isn't, faggot. Descriptions are descriptions and quotes are quotes. Who is he quoting?

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As a young'un I personally prefer
Im@s > LL
way more content therefore more depth to the girls
Touhou > KC
obvious.
and the most unpopular opinion of all
Vtuber > vocaloid

Sure it influenced doujin/fan culture massively and left an irreplaceable mark during the nico golden age era but from a sheer personal enjoyment perspective I was never a fan of the mainstream electronic pop music and the lack of official material/canon makes for a less immersive feeling subculture overall. Also I might argue that the amount of popularity it's gotten is also proportional to the damage it caused to western anime fandom considering the amount of insufferable faggotry it brought to my generation, this theory is purely anecdotal however. And feel free to convince me otherwise if you know of any good vocaloid production of indie rock.

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>>20718958
>this kills the oldfag

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>>20732297
>And feel free to convince me otherwise if you know of any good vocaloid production of indie rock.
There's Vocaloid productions for pretty much every genre out there.
Have you checked out 光収容の倉庫? It sounds like they're exactly what you're looking for.
https://youtu.be/AWjPA54me_M

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Honestly I think the older the anime is the more it goes in depth with the story line/ plot. These days it's more for fan service and it's usually quickly turned into some hetai anime or super ecchi real quick. So it never really mattered if it's style looked bad or good just as long as the story stays

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>>20732358
Too bad theres no Mikgazer vol. 2.

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>>20732358
Thanks for the suggestion, I should probably start delving deeper.

>>20732460
Mikgazer is the one vocaloid ep I listen to frequently. Vol 2 does exist and I have it as well.

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As for arguments supporting vtubers (someone who doesn't visit the general), I don't really have one. Most of them do livestreams now a days of either chatter or gameplay and I leave them on as background noise for learning the language. My firm take is that none of the popular subbed vtubers are worth watching. Like many people have pointed out they are nothing but eceleb personalities behind Facerig and their content are only cheap entertainment. I'm no ASMRfag too. Although I only follow 2 or 3 at the moment I began to take interest when a semi obscure vtuber released an ADV style scripted rp stream and I was amazed at the potential of the seemingly cheap medium. Because I can't think of another medium where you're getting live interaction with a voice actor playing a 2D character.
link for reference:https://youtu.be/VcOUt96a9lo
My other channel plays the character of a lewd oneesan and she has the most orgasmic voice I've ever heard. Her twitter is also the most obscene thing.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXZT-ezVmaLSazjE1Tr_gKA
Sorry for shilling but I feel it's important to embrace all aspects of otaku culture.

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>>20732476
Could you please upload or link? I've never seen it mentioned, anywhere.

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>>20732728
http://www.9tensu.com/2016/10/postgazer.html

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>>20732572
>their content are only cheap entertainment
True.
>they are nothing but eceleb personalities behind Facerig
I think there is a difference. An e-celeb's ``character'' is either nonexistent as a separate entity or an exaggerated version of their own personality. Vtubers are more like characters in other media. They are fictional characters first and real people (VAs) second. This is why people like them. That said, I rarely watch vtubers, so I may be uninformed.

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>>20718091
1st row : Idols are shit in general, no matter the age, 2d or 3d, they're fucking shit.
2nd row : This is the epitome of creativity independence vs corporate shit, Touhou is better it's not even competition.
3rd row : Vocaloid made a way for independent creative music producer to produce popular vocal music eventhough they don't have access to talented singers and generated many timeless classics. Vtuber is basically the same as random vlogger without actual creative content all they do is playing games, reacting to shit, covering a song, things that everyone can do, and will only remembered for the meme reactions, maybe. Vocaloid is better.

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>>20718091
Is KanColle really the closest new franchise the 2010s have to Touhou?

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Where did this weird idea that Vocaloid is just electronic pop music come from? I'd say rock is the most numerous genre.

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>>20733692
Miku's most well-known songs (and she might as well be the only Vocaloid as far as the uninitiated are concerned) are usually some variety of electronic pop or some other kind of upbeat song.

For a lot of people the first thing that comes to mind when they think Miku is still ancient classics like Melt, World is Mine, Tell Your World, Miku Miku ni Shite Ageru and so on.

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What are top left and right, are they animes?

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>>20718967

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>>20732894
It's more of a stand-in for all the various ultra-popular mobage that came out since ~2013.

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>>20724804
cheers.

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>>20733998
Does anyone have the Newtype issue where this was published? It's from March 2010.

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>>20724066
who?
she isn't even voiced my a woman?
and the tracking is bad.

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>>20732791
https://mega.nz/#!cJUQCD4B!7zb1QfESQX3LbbjQQ3tckqDSq4KZqJzx-MYA_7FFje0

Here's the actual link since 9T is a shit.

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IM@'s>>>>LL
2hu>>>Kanker
Vocaloid=Vtubers

2010's suck overall, but at least Vtubers are fine

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>>20737229
Sadly, all the good stuff, at least if you like weird and mildly disturbing chuubas, is untranslated.

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>>20737256
Thats the issue, or they end up having ass backwards translations like with YUA

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>>20733920
Top left is The iDOLM@STER, a management sim/raising game/DLC scam series. It's had several anime, the old Xenoglossia which is about mecha, a couple ovas, and a few actual full anime series since like 2010 or 11. It was originally an arcade game from old xbox generation time period where you have to raise an idol to be the best idol. In recent time, more focus has been put on a couple shitty cash grab mobileshit spinoffs, Cinderella Girls, Side M, and Million Live. I have no idea what any of those three are about except raking in money for Namco and that they aren't proper games.

Top right is Love Live. It's some sort of anime about idols but more focus is put on the girls behind the idols, who I supposed are idols in their own right. It's basically 2D idolshit. (Conversely idolmaster, at least for the main girls, just uses voice actresses, e.g. Rie Kugimiya as Iori Minase)
I think there are some rhythm games or something for it too.

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>>20737256
>mildly disturbing chuubas
Disturbing as in the ones that have/had breakdowns on mic
Or the ones that are just into weird or creepy stuff

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>>20732572
>she has the most orgasmic voice I've ever heard
after listening to it for two minutes I am 99% certain that's a guy using pitch-altering software

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>>20737393
The latter, like https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRWOdwLRsenx2jLaiCAIU4A/videos or https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaDexswVJYTARN8knF2gtKg/videos.. Have any had a breakdown on the mic?

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>>20737427
I remember a couple, though they aren't true mental breakdowns (I think?)
The first one was this artistic gyaru character who was drunk and started crying because her dog just died
The second one played MMOs and would frequently have Angry German Kid-style outbursts when she lost. She seemed to already be unstable though

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>>20737423
That's what I thought at first but that's a damn good voice changer https://anenenonikutsubo.booth.pm/items/1077209

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>>20718091

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People used to do things for the sake of doing them last decade, just for fun, to want to add, to contribute, to share, to share joy. Nowadays, it feels like everyone wants something out of anything they do, if there's no reward of any kind they don't bother, it became the primary motivation rather than the secondary one as it used to be.

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>>20738194
we were all kids/teens in the 2000s, we entered adulthood in the 2010s and realized we needed money to survive, so many creators turned to profiteering. It's unfortunate but thats capitalism for you.

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Eh=meh
2hu>>Kankore, enjoy both tho
Vocaloid>>>>>>>>>>>>>vtubers
Vtubers aint bad, vocaloid just is perfection

We have to go back

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It always puzzles me how jaypee outside of the designated thread is absolutely clueless about Vocaloid. It was in the top 3 otaku media things everyone talked about 10 years ago, it's still popular, with hit songs getting millions of views and multiple live concerts every year besides other numerous events, with activity not confined to the mainstream scene. It's very easy to get into and easy to explore, it's a very multifaceted phenomenon with something for everyone to enjoy, even outside of music consumption/production. Yet average poster at best knows about 2-3 viral songs from 2009-2011, MMD from watching lewd 3DCG 2hu videos and bacon wrapped hotdog. Imagine browsing /jp/ for years and the only things you know about Touhou are Cirno's Perfect Math Class and AWOO memes - like, what the fuck, man.
Maybe not that many people are any seriously into music in general, after all.

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>>20718379
>hating vtubers this hard
yep, you've gotten old anon. hope i don't join you soon :(

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>>20738699
I'm exactly who you're talking about when it comes to touhou. Then again, I'm a filthy crossbo/a/rder.

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>>20718091
>>20718091
>Kancolle
That should be FGO and then i'd say 10s

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>>20738780
Who are you quoting.
Shut your whore mouth or quote properly.
Vshit is trash.

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>>20738699
>Maybe not that many people are any seriously into music in general, after all.
They are but it's all either Touhou music, mainstream&idolshit, denpa and anime music, or doujin music with real singers instead of annoying robot voices. /jp/ is also not like /f/ or the gif/webm boards, so you can't just post videos with sound that people outside a particular thread will care about, only images relating to songs everyone will probably have heard, like that one with that red drill haired girl(Teto?). Music is a pretty opinionated genre of media too, so unless something is along someone's tastes, it'll probably be ignored or called shit.
Additionally, even if you call it music, Vocaloid is a voice program so the music doesn't really have anything to do with it and the Vocaloids can be replaced with real singers.

>it's a very multifaceted phenomenon with something for everyone to enjoy, even outside of music consumption/production.
Unlike Touhou, I find it hard to imagine caring for things like art and doujins of Vocaloid characters unless you were emotionally invested in those images to begin with. There's nothing to them except "I like Vocaloid voices, so I like the representation of the voices and fanon of how those voices interact with one another". It's sort of like caring about Kantai Collection art or doujins or music while not playing it. Most of /jp/ probably still thinks KanColle is a mobile game.

>Yet average poster at best knows about 2-3 viral songs from 2009-2011, MMD from watching lewd 3DCG 2hu videos
Lots of of those lewd videos use Vocaloid music too. There's also other MMD videos that people watch, though mostly Touhou related. One thing that's strange in retrospect is how that SofTalk text to speech program ended up being associated with Touhou instead of using Vocaloid voices for it. I think those lewd videos and videos about general random background otaku culture characters are the only times Touhou and Vocaloid even ever interact.

>Imagine browsing /jp/ for years and the only things you know about Touhou are Cirno's Perfect Math Class and AWOO memes
I image the idol thread, Horizon thread, and monstergirl thread posters are like that, if they even know the rest of /jp/ exists. Also Vocaloid isn't popular, Miku Hatsune is popular. The rest is stuff only fans care about. Vocaloid also lacks any real high profile media other than Miku's image, so it's not really "easy to get into and easy to explore". It's just there. In retrospect again, it feels like this virtual Youtuber fad was another missed chance for Vocaloid to be integrated with something.

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>>20738335
>we
>we
>we
Scum.

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>>20739265
>In retrospect again, it feels like this virtual Youtuber fad was another missed chance for Vocaloid to be integrated with something.
I actually ended up learning a ton of Vocaloid songs (other than the memetic ones I already knew from the boom period) just by watching vtuber music streams, a lot of them really like covering Vocaloid songs for some reason. To true Vocaloid fans this is probably something like getting into Vocaloid via the bastard child of all utaites but that's how it is.

In the end, though, Vocaloid production and vtuber production requires vastly different levels of investment: it takes about five minutes of vtuber investment to create five minutes of vtuber content and about five hours of Vocaloid investment to create five minutes of Vocaloid content. In the end the mediums just don't play together that well.

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>>20739617
> it takes about five minutes of vtuber investment to create five minutes of vtuber content and about five hours of Vocaloid investment to create five minutes of Vocaloid content. In the end the mediums just don't play together that well.

Is it really that hard to make a text-to-vocaloid speech program or a voice changer using the vocaloid voices?

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>>20739640
>Is it really that hard to make a text-to-vocaloid speech program or a voice changer using the vocaloid voices?
A vtuber who talks using Miku's voice has a massive branding problem whether it's really not clear whether the character is Miku or not. (Well, it's not really "not clear" per se but the characterization still ends up confused, which is a major problem for any upstart vtuber trying to make it or break it in vtuber field which is ultra-crowded already.)

There actually ARE a lot of videos featuring virtual-characters-with-synthesized-voices videos, but they're mostly for Voiceroid rather than Vocaloid (a related but distinct software for talk rather than singing), they almost always feature the original Voiceroid box art characters rather than "original characters" like vtubers, and finally the jury-rigged speech-to-text-to-speech-systems people have set up aren't actually good enough to narrate compelling real-time video and people just use them to funpost in online voice chat. Proper compelling synthesized talk video takes time to produce and true Vocaloid content (ie, music) takes even more.

(That said, it really seems to be more of a curiosity than anything else, but just this last week a minor VTuber with only 50K managed to crowdfund a Voiceroid talk bank out of her own followers, so maybe that will become more of a thing in the future? I'll be pleasantly surprised if it actually amounts to anything, but who knows.)

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>>20739640
>Is it really that hard to make a text-to-vocaloid speech program or a voice changer using the vocaloid voices?
A vtuber who talks using Miku's voice has a massive branding problem whether it's really not clear whether the character is Miku or not. (Well, it's not really "not clear" per se but the characterization still ends up confused, which is a major problem for any upstart vtuber trying to make it or break it in vtuber field which is ultra-crowded already.)

There actually ARE a lot of videos featuring virtual-characters-with-synthesized-voices, but they're mostly for Voiceroid rather than Vocaloid (a related but distinct software for talk rather than singing), they almost always feature the original Voiceroid box art characters rather than "original characters" like vtubers, and finally the jury-rigged speech-to-text-to-speech-systems people have set up aren't actually good enough to narrate compelling real-time video and people just use them to funpost in online voice chat. Proper compelling synthesized talk video takes time to produce and true Vocaloid content (ie, music) takes even more.

(That said, it really seems to be more of a curiosity than anything else, but just this last week a minor VTuber with only 5K followers managed to crowdfund a Voiceroid talk bank out of her own followers, so maybe that will become more of a thing in the future? I'll be pleasantly surprised if it actually amounts to anything, but who knows.)

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Lovelive is a dying ripoff, kancolle was a shitty fad that died in 3 years, and the vtube bubble will burst soon

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>>20739265
>annoying robot voices
High-pitched, often very fast vocal that embraced "robotic" sound with artifacts of the engine was popular during the Vocaloid boom because it was both very distinct and relatively easy to make, but it was always mainly a matter of tuning, post-production and personal preference. It has been possible to produce "realistic" vocal since at least Miku Append.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZR4ifx8lc8
Vocaloid 3+ and CeVIO, depending on the voicebank, are capable of basically indistinguishable from "real" sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ordGD_f9cw4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwwU55zBYlQ

>the music doesn't really have anything to do with it
The music has everything to do with it. Vocaloid is a software vocal synthesizer, a digital musical instrument, specifically designed to create vocal tracks for use in musical compositions.
>the Vocaloids can be replaced with real singers
And real singers can be replaced with Vocaloids.

>Also Vocaloid isn't popular, Miku Hatsune is popular.
Miku is the most famous Vocaloid and virtual idol, sure, but many other Vocaloids also have considerable mainstream popularity in Japan. AHS and 1st Place Vocaloids are just as important for the music scene and general internet culture as Cryptonloids now. IA and ONE have live events every year, sometimes outside of Japan. Yukari and Akari are meme machines.

>it's not really "easy to get into and easy to explore"
It's as easy to get into Vocaloid as just casually listening to music, and it's easy to start digging into specific genres or more obscure producers because Vocaloid content is very well documented and organized (Nico, vocadb, a few wikis), and rarely not available online.

>>20739640
It's hard (very inconvenient) to make a vocal synthesizer do anything other than singing well. Look up how Vocaloid voicebanks are created. The software itself is also not suited for casual speech production. That's why speech synthesizers like Voiceroid and CeVIO CC were created and took the niche.

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>>20740219
>the music doesn't really have anything to do with it
>Vocaloid is a software vocal synthesizer
>specifically designed to create vocal tracks
Ergo, music has nothing to do with it. You can make the same music and lyrics without vocaloid. The only appeal is if you like the kind of sound it makes or are too much of a loser to get someone to sing your song/sing it yourself.

>And real singers can be replaced with Vocaloids.
Not really. Substituted, but not replaced, since they can't do everything a real singer can do.

>AHS and 1st Place Vocaloids are just as important for the music scene and general internet culture as Cryptonloids now. IA and ONE have live events every year, sometimes outside of Japan. Yukari and Akari are meme machines.
And those literally whos show up on cars and TV shows and have anime vaguely inspired by them, right? Popular with the fans is still being stuff only fans care about.

Those songs still all sounds robotic(on top of being annoying.) Why do they all use that weird echoy voice effect? Is it not possible to be completely rid of it?

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>>20740293
>Why do they all use that weird echoy voice effect? Is it not possible to be completely rid of it?
This is like asking why a lot of synthesized electronic music sounds electronic when it's possible for synthesizers to almost perfectly emulate analog instruments instead.

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>>20738820
FGO is a 2 years old meme only

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>>20739265
>Most of /jp/ probably still thinks KanColle is a mobile game.
It isn't?

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>>20741598
>This is like asking why a lot of synthesized electronic music sounds electronic when it's possible for synthesizers to almost perfectly emulate analog instruments instead.
If you're stating that synthesizers can completely replace normal instruments due to being able to perfectly replicate them, then that too is a valid question. If the answer is "because they want it too" then why would you try to defend against me saying that some people would rather listen to music with real instruments instead of music that sounded like annoying beeps and boops?

Besides that, it's not like people don't use synths to try to replace instruments a lot, to a larger degree than vocaloid.

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>>20741714
Do you even understand what "mobile" means?

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>>20742093
No.

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>>20741714
>>20742093
>>20742102
We only got a actual version for phones several years latter

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>>20742121
So it doesn't or didn't have touchscreen-oriented gameplay?

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And Rozen Maiden?

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>>20742142
Had anime in both decades and isn't anywhere near as relevant as any of those things there. Also the first anime sucks and read the manga.

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>>20742142
>>20718450

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>>20742178
Allow me to correct you: the first anime is all right (and very influential, so you should see it anyway), and read the manga.