So why was Okuu super Edgy in her first Appearance? Why was she trying to find a final solution to the Human Question?

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Anonymous Tue Oct 30 19:25:21 2018 No.20165001 [Reply] [Original]

So why was Okuu super Edgy in her first Appearance? Why was she trying to find a final solution to the Human Question?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:10:53 2018 No.20165475 Edgy? She was just a dumb bird who wasn't responsible with her power. There was nothing grimdark about it. If the heroine somehow failed Kanako herself would have stopped Utsuho.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:30:27 2018 No.20165530 File: 253 KB, 1129x1600, ch01_false_sun_019.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20165475 Anon, turning the world surface into molten Slag and rendering Human extinct is edgy.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:44:56 2018 No.20165592
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>The geyser is merely its byproduct, but... What's wrong with it?
>I want you to stop it 'cause it's dangerous.
>......The geyser shouldn't be that dangerous. At most, you can only get burnt by it.

Truly edgy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:48:45 2018 No.20165600 >>20165530 She wasn't evil. She was just a bored dumb bird. When you give stupid people power, they misuse it.

Anonymous Wed Oct 31 10:15:37 2018 No.20167692
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>>20165592
Anon, she's very few actively malicious characters in the series, with the power and the desire to bring about The extinction of mankind.

She also eats humans.

>See, your body's getting burned up pretty nicely now. I want to eat you up right now, but it's not good to rush. You have to let it fry just the right amount for it to taste the best.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 14:28:34 2018 No.20168934 >>20165600 That explains USA presidents.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 22:02:14 2018 No.20170784 >>20165001 I keep forgetting that's she's really OP, and not a waifu bait created by some drunkard

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 22:28:09 2018 No.20170872 >>20167692 Oh my body is getting burned up alright, Okuu-sama.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 10:09:45 2018 No.20172747 File: 95 KB, 850x638, __reiuji_utsuho_touhou_drawn_by_johnson_touhousuki__sample-90c155bf5b5628eb4830711c5ffdbe7b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20165001 All plug wants is to watch the world burn

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 13:56:24 2018 No.20173634 >>20170784 >OP waifu bait created by drunkard. She's both. And that describes almost every major 2hu character.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 21:04:22 2018 No.20175532 >>20173634 Name ten.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 2 09:30:08 2018 No.20177967 >>20165001 >>20165530 What was her problem

Anonymous Fri Nov 2 10:40:05 2018 No.20178336

>>20173634
ZUN toned down the powerlevels post-SA. Before that every stage six/extra boss had hilariously OP chuuni powers like Yuyuko being able to kill anyone at will or whatever the fuck Yukari's ill-explained powers are. After SA ZUN stopped placing so much emphasis on powers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 2 19:22:30 2018 No.20180498 >>20178336 So who is the strongest before he toned down powers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 2 19:28:39 2018 No.20180524 >>20180498 Eiki.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 2 19:41:14 2018 No.20180570 File: 253 KB, 1127x1600, ch01_false_sun_025.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20180524 That green haired whore?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 3 10:00:30 2018 No.20183497 >>20177967 Trying to find a final solution to the Human question

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 00:14:21 2018 No.20187225 >>20178336 Why did he stop?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 01:24:31 2018 No.20187578 >>20178336 In this case, it's literal. Okku shifted from being able to shoot things with the force of an ICBM from just her cannon to being unable to kill a fairy with it when it's implied that was her active intent come Soku.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 09:46:30 2018 No.20189546 >>20187578 But why?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 09:50:39 2018 No.20189574 Yatagarasu was a dick who along with his brothers tried to scorch the Earth because he was tired of following a routine until they got arrows shoved up their asses for being dicks. I think he might still be mad about that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 10:33:41 2018 No.20189805 >>20178336 >Hecatia what Then again she's at least currently a "stop arguing" character

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 4 19:28:05 2018 No.20193192 >>20167692 People like to ignore the fact that she and Orin eat humans because they don't like what they perceive as edgy

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 05:04:30 2018 No.20195048 >>20193192 What?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 07:37:23 2018 No.20195644 >>20193192 Doesn't she also eat crow eggs as well? Doesn't that make her a cannibal?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 12:16:56 2018 No.20196909 File: 1.63 MB, 1000x550, __komeiji_satori_and_reiuji_utsuho_touhou_drawn_by_hater_hatater__c4cd7a99e5d8264c873ab7fc66c63642.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] dumb bird!

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 16:08:58 2018 No.20197878

>>20165001
>>20165475
>>20165530
>>20165592
Okuu is not a cutter.
>>20193192
>>20195644
Youkai don't eat people, 2hus are not cannibals, killers, or any other horrible thing, that is propaganda spread by neer-do-wells to try and instigate tension between youkai and the human village, the worst that youkai will do is scare you off. Gensokyo is (aside from temporary incidents) peaceful, it's inhabitants kind (for the most part).

Anonymous Mon Nov 5 18:13:26 2018 No.20198457
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>>20193192
Orin doesn't eat or otherwise harm humans. She's one of the most human-friendly youkai around.

>>20167692
It's hard to tell how much of that was just the usual pre-battle banter. Okuu did talk about incinerating the surface, but she wasn't exactly on a warpath when confronted by the protagonists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 19:32:56 2018 No.20198886 >>20198457 orin a cute okuu a baka

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:16:13 2018 No.20199106 >>20198886 okuu a cute baka

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 20:30:35 2018 No.20199162 >>20180524 >raped by yuuka lol no

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 5 22:19:24 2018 No.20199618 >>20180570 No. That would be Sanae. She is a slut, not a whore. There is quite a significant difference between the two.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 03:39:59 2018 No.20200771 >>20199618 Sanae is a pure girl

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 10:33:13 2018 No.20202247 >>20197878 I'm pretty sure Youkai do eat people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 16:31:08 2018 No.20203472 >>20200771 Pure slut.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:34:38 2018 No.20203711 File: 2.14 MB, 1182x800, 32e47a8a4f5.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20202247 Lies and slander.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 6 17:41:00 2018 No.20203727 File: 129 KB, 500x727, yukari spies.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20203711

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 04:36:14 2018 No.20205611 >>20203711 No, its true

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 05:01:05 2018 No.20205668 File: 315 KB, 627x479, 87187133.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Cannibalism is my fetish! Nothing quite gets me out of bed in the mornings like the thought of human flesh!

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 11:13:13 2018 No.20207292 File: 105 KB, 600x700, __rumia_touhou_drawn_by_space_jin__c818051da05611ec8c9de639b283f39e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20205668 Me too

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 7 22:08:40 2018 No.20210389 >>20205668 Zounose makes good stories

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 8 04:28:47 2018 No.20211548 >>20198457 I'm pretty sure Orin and Okuu do eat humans

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 8 17:29:08 2018 No.20215009 >>20205611 Source

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 8 22:31:48 2018 No.20216207 File: 6 KB, 1177x120, mmmmmm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20215009

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 9 03:14:26 2018 No.20216978 >>20216207 They weren't serious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 9 05:17:28 2018 No.20217291 >>20216978 But they were

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 9 11:55:39 2018 No.20219202 >>20168934 Take that back

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 9 16:28:13 2018 No.20220332 File: 14 KB, 1995x77, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20216978 https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate/Fifth_Chapter

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 9 20:09:48 2018 No.20221426 >>20220332 Slander

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 9 20:29:33 2018 No.20221520 File: 465 KB, 716x877, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20221426

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 9 21:41:21 2018 No.20221891 >>20220332 Youkai hater propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 19:03:02 2018 No.20226653 >>20221520 Youkai hater propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 19:44:17 2018 No.20226821 >>20226653 Its not propaganda

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 19:55:25 2018 No.20226871 File: 13 KB, 1998x63, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20226653

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 19:56:27 2018 No.20226876 File: 15 KB, 1913x247, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20221891

Anonymous Sat Nov 10 21:31:31 2018 No.20227230
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>>20226821
>>20226871
>>20226876
Youkai. Hater. Propaganda.
2hus. Do. Not. Kill.
Danmaku. Is. Non. Lethal.
Youkai. Do. Not. Eat. People.
At. Worse. They. Just. Scare. Them. Off.
Shitty people in the human village spread these lies to worsen human x youkai relations. Gensokyo is (relatively) peaceful, it's inhabitants (mostly) kind.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 22:02:36 2018 No.20227319 who the fuck gives a shit post okuus

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 22:07:56 2018 No.20227338 >>20227230 Thank you, Youkai Internet Defense Force.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 22:10:52 2018 No.20227350 File: 754 KB, 1040x1200, 1483831034021.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20227319 boobie burd!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 22:12:38 2018 No.20227355 File: 342 KB, 1200x875, 61373143_p2_master1200.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mmmmm charred corpses!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 22:13:37 2018 No.20227358 File: 159 KB, 848x1200, 1483672090033.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20227355 what the fuck dude you saved a sample master1200anon, stop this

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 22:14:36 2018 No.20227359 File: 174 KB, 1186x933, 60003733_p3_master1200_master1200_master1200.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20227358 What's a master1200 anyways?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 22:16:12 2018 No.20227364 File: 273 KB, 1139x1200, fat hell raven tats.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20227359 don't play coy, son go and download the full-sized images you posted right now

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 22:19:15 2018 No.20227375 File: 19 KB, 313x388, oukk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20227364 I don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 10 23:01:49 2018 No.20227465 File: 1.16 MB, 1564x1036, propaganda.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20227230

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 11 10:44:49 2018 No.20230322 File: 476 KB, 1280x1854, 4 (7).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20227319 Tricking okuu into sex

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 11 10:47:21 2018 No.20230331 >>20227465 Not Kaguya.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 07:08:12 2018 No.20235002 >>20227364 Lewd

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 07:40:04 2018 No.20235147 >>20230322 Hot nuclear birb doujinshi

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 12 21:26:32 2018 No.20238393 File: 338 KB, 900x810, 1539372761438.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20227355 Well she does eat them

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 13 10:48:00 2018 No.20240871 >>20238393 What's Orin doing

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 00:06:23 2018 No.20243996 >>20240871 Eating Reimu and Marisa

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 13:56:29 2018 No.20246745 >>20243996 But she should eat their pussies, not eat them literally!

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 14:25:10 2018 No.20246899 >>20246745 wouldn’t that hurt? her tongue must be rough

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 14 20:13:42 2018 No.20248653 >>20227465 Nice

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 03:11:49 2018 No.20250091 >>20246899 They're masochist

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 15:56:27 2018 No.20252746 >>20250091 Oh my

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 16:46:14 2018 No.20252899 >>20227350 >>20227358 >>20227364 >>20230322 I'm thirsty for some milk

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 18:52:29 2018 No.20253370 >>20198457 Orin doesn't eat people. But calling her harmless is a lie considering what she does to the corpses she steals.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 18:54:36 2018 No.20253383 >>20227230 >Imagine being this fucking delusional. Do you actually like Touhou? Or do you just like the idea of what you turned Touhou into with your blatant denial of canon?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 15 23:54:29 2018 No.20254507 >>20253370 What does she do the corpse

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 16 06:29:57 2018 No.20255645 >>20254507 They are used as fuel for the fires of the old hell. Their souls remaining behind as tormented evil spirits for all eternity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 16 17:55:47 2018 No.20258677 >>20255645 Christ, how terrible

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 16 19:52:51 2018 No.20259284 >>20255645 Until it gets ejected from a geyser by accident and the released from the cycle of reincarnation by none other than your totally-human hermit Kasen! Orinrin's completely harmless as long as you're still alive though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 16 20:35:13 2018 No.20259492 >>20253383 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 16 20:38:48 2018 No.20259512 File: 500 KB, 954x1022, 1526829119814.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20253383 Does having headcanon cancel out liking Touhou now? Grimsokyo a shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 16 20:53:39 2018 No.20259569 >>20259284 That is possible, but very unlikely. Yes. It's even mentioned that she dislikes killing people herself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 16 20:54:59 2018 No.20259572 >>20259512 It does if that headcanon requires completely ignoring established lore and themes so you can pretend people like Yukari or Mystia aren't complete scumbags.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 16 20:59:20 2018 No.20259586 File: 107 KB, 383x303, 98115615616.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20259572 Hey now, I won't stand to listen to this drivel you're spouting about Mischi. I want her to eat me someday.

Anonymous Fri Nov 16 21:04:30 2018 No.20259603

>>20259586
Mystia is one of my favorite characters, actually. But that's precisely because she's a massive twat with a ego the size of the moon. She's a shit person, but a great character.

Still, If you have a vore fetish I guess I can understand why you wouldn't view her as evil.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 16 21:54:55 2018 No.20259786 File: 564 KB, 3035x2149, my mother in law, adopted daughter, and CUTE wife.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20259603 maybe he likes villainous vore vixens i dunno

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 16 21:57:27 2018 No.20259794 File: 90 KB, 616x700, 8828786_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is a Mischi thread now! Post bird.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 16 22:00:13 2018 No.20259801 File: 327 KB, 700x525, 2508414_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20259794 Okay!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 17 00:11:09 2018 No.20260210 File: 357 KB, 850x1189, 1539797295876.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20259569 But Kasen killed Humans for fun

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 17 05:03:02 2018 No.20260876 >>20259786 Could be, I guess. >>20260210 I'm pretty sure that's not canon. Even if she probably did do some very shady shit during her Youkai sage years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 17 08:48:38 2018 No.20261700 >>20259572 That's some bullshit, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 17 13:01:47 2018 No.20262934 >>20261700 It's the truth

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 17 16:03:16 2018 No.20263835 >>20260876 Karen was once part of a trio of Oni trying to find a final solution to the Human question. Suika and Yuugi as well. They were stopped by humans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 17 18:11:42 2018 No.20264493 >>20263835 I'm aware. But like I said, she managed to find redemption and is a pretty good person nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 18 02:34:33 2018 No.20266529 >>20264493 Her redemption won't bring back those she killed

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 18 05:16:00 2018 No.20266963 >>20260210 Edgy

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 18 22:24:19 2018 No.20271649 >>20259512 Your a shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 03:18:58 2018 No.20272593 File: 1.00 MB, 1217x900, 1537322979877.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20259512 Touhou is a dark setting, anon. Denying it is just delusional

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 04:17:31 2018 No.20272683

>>20272593
Clearly Touhou is on par with other dark settings like Berserk or W40, right? Or not. I don't know why are you guys still forcing only one correct view on things when tea drinking and grim stuff are both valid at the same time. Guess you can't have multiple interpretations on things for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 04:49:15 2018 No.20272744 >>20272683 I would say it's more on par with Shin Megami Tensei or the Total War version of Warhammer Fantasy. It's very bad, but not hopelessly so.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 05:05:16 2018 No.20272772
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>>20272744
I don't know if I'm getting bamboozled here or not. Dark settings are usually full of wars, tortures, famine, ocasional rape and incest. None of this happends in Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 06:26:24 2018 No.20272964 >>20272772 You have a somewhat simplistic view of what exactly constitutes "Dark". People being systematically murdered and oppressed by malicious supernatural entities as the basis of your setting is something that I would call pretty dark.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 06:46:37 2018 No.20273033
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>>20272964
I mean, out of all things you compared Touhou to fucking Warhammer. Using
word like "simplistic" is definitely the most amuzing here when you have stuff like pic related. Gensokyo being wieved from many looks is how ZUN intended his setting.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 14:13:54 2018 No.20274910

>>20273033
>I mean, out of all things you compared Touhou to fucking Warhammer.
The Total War version of Warhammer. You know, the one where you can take one of the good factions, defeat your greatest enemy, stop the end times from happening, and then create a lasting peach alongside the other good factions.

Because that is more or less how I view Touhou. For all of its lighthearted elements, Gensokyo is a shit place. One where the descendants of noble heroes are oppressed, while malicious sociopathic supernatural entities are free to torment and kill innocent people. Yet, there is still hope. Hope that Youkai will one day find redemption and become more than simple monsters. Hope that the Human Villagers will one day be free to rejoin the outside world. Hope that the Youkai sages get what they deserve and burn in hell for all eternity. It's this hope, of which there is a abducance, that stops Gensokyo from being a true "grimdark" setting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 14:15:46 2018 No.20274915 Oh great it's another autistic Touhou youkai/human politics grimderp thread. Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:03:18 2018 No.20275932 File: 510 KB, 831x706, 8977198169816.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20272772

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:39:43 2018 No.20277038 >>20274915 ???

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 05:54:55 2018 No.20278252 >>20275932 Aya has always been crazy

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 16:31:24 2018 No.20280532 >>20275932 What's her problem

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 16:59:57 2018 No.20280662 File: 118 KB, 642x353, 98198166489.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20280532 Momiji ain't sharin' her cake rolls.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 21 01:21:26 2018 No.20282670 >>20280662 that dog should learn her place

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 21 04:39:48 2018 No.20283084 >>20280662 is it made of human flesh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 21 04:43:46 2018 No.20283092 File: 313 KB, 477x689, 45163517.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20283084 I want to say yes, but no.

Anonymous Wed Nov 21 04:57:47 2018 No.20283122

>>20178336
No, it's just that powers were vague and thematic but people took them very literally and pushed them to stupid extremes by twisting their meaning. "She has the power of changing colors? That means that TECHNICALLY she can alter the frequency of the radiation emitted by everything, being able to produce ridiculous amounts of high-frequency energy and destroy the whole universe in a supernova! OP!". Not to talk about how people reduced characters to just their powers.

Now some abilities sound stupid because they're purely cosmetic (can open doors, can pass through walls, can have three bodies), but powerlevel-wise there are some truly powerful characters. Just look at Hecatia, Okina or Junko.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 21 15:24:46 2018 No.20285705 >>20283122 I thought Junko can purify things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 21 19:28:46 2018 No.20286858 File: 576 KB, 918x766, fs3233zbsbm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20273033

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 22 01:08:12 2018 No.20288233 >>20286858 not canon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 22 06:22:22 2018 No.20289017 >>20197878 >Youkai don't eat people Youkai feed by doing whatever the stories about them say they do. Kokasa feeds by spooking people. Rumia feeds by nomming them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 22 07:49:44 2018 No.20289280 >>20288233 It's from a official manga, you dope.

Anonymous Thu Nov 22 07:58:23 2018 No.20289305

Gensokyo is a shit place to live in the same way China, Brazil, or Indonesia is a shit place to live. If you're part of the upper or middle class, then it's actually pretty nice. If you're part of the lower class (Aka, Humans that are not Reimu or her friends), you live in squalid miserable conditions while being oppressed and exploited.

The key difference however is that at least in the outside world, you can become a member of the middle or even upper class without receiving the death penalty. And most governments, with a few key exceptions obviously, don't systematically abduct and murder outsiders for fun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 22 12:04:59 2018 No.20290243 >>20289305 Headucanonnu. Even if that is the one and only truth, though, sounds like a lot better place than 'murica. I'd take those conditions over this place any day, take me home, Gensokyo roads.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 22 12:07:25 2018 No.20290251 File: 13 KB, 265x195, 1531273195864.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20289280 >official manga "official" doesn't nesesarily mean "canon".

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 22 12:33:36 2018 No.20290353 >>20198457 I remember Byakuren kicking Rin out of Myoren precisely because her view of humans seemed very warped. So she's probably not that friendly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 22 12:36:14 2018 No.20290366 >>20227230 Dude, Yukari has literally kidnapped children. Byakuren, go back to the temple.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 22 12:38:05 2018 No.20290370 >>20238393 I wouldn't mind more pics like this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 22 12:46:18 2018 No.20290399 >>20290353 Byakuren kicked her out because Orin's only goal was to get easier access to the cemetery and mausoleum; she had no actual interest in the temple's teachings.

Anonymous Thu Nov 22 12:48:34 2018 No.20290408

>>20290243
I'm not going to pretend that America doesn't have it's problems. But compared to pre modern living conditions, it might as well be fucking eden. Even if you're part of the lower class, which I somewhat doubt, then it's still infinitely preferable to Gensokyo. And not just because of the social mobility.

>>20290251
Unless ZUN explicitly described FS as a "non canon work", it's fucking canon. Stop being delusional because you can't handle the idea that being a Human in Gensokyo sucks.

Anonymous Thu Nov 22 18:05:57 2018 No.20291930
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>>20290408
Again, grimdark "canon" Gensokyo is still preferable to being a middle class ameritrashcan. At least it'd look like it feels. Dying of dysentery in India sounds better than this place. Anywhere, really.
>stop being delusional because you can't handle the idea that being a human in Gensokyo sucks
Not being able to handle the idea of evil murder-cannibal Youkai and not being able to handle the reality of the shitty feudal-jap peasant life of the human village are very different. The human village wouldn't make much sense if it were a picturesque 1st world suburb with feudal jap DLC camo, would it?
>explicitly described FS
ZUN can't force anyone to share his own headcanon with him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 23 00:41:50 2018 No.20293705 >>20291930 Denial

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 23 02:54:10 2018 No.20294037 >>20167692 >She also eats humans. What's edgy about this? She's a youkai, many of them eat humans. That's like complaining about a bloosucking vampire, it's in their nature. What's next? Are you going to call meat eating humans edgy?

Anonymous Fri Nov 23 03:11:13 2018 No.20294080

>>20291930
Please don't use the word "canon" if you don't share the colloquial meaning of the word.
This whole string is just based of your misuse of the word. Granted, I agree that you have the right to your opinion regarding how you would like to perceive your version of the world that ZUN created... but when you begin trying to force your version as the canonical version
(canonical here meaning the one intended by the original author of the works) there's a problem.

Either stick to the usage of headcanon or don't mention canon at all.

Anonymous Fri Nov 23 03:27:56 2018 No.20294121

>>20290251
>>20291930
Alternatively, if the reason you'd said that "official" need not necessarily be "canon" is because you think ZUN doesn't write those, he absolutely does.
I remember in one of the ending panels for one of the manga chapters that the artist noted that they are awaiting the story as much as the readers, since they're only told as much as they need to know to depict the story as ZUN intended.

Anonymous Fri Nov 23 04:34:13 2018 No.20294316

>>20291930
>Again, grimdark "canon" Gensokyo is still preferable to being a middle class ameritrashcan.
Middle class Americans are some of the richest, most privileged, and decadent people on the planet. Assuming you are one, I can say without any doubt in my mind that you would be miserable working as a farmer.

>Anywhere, really.
So... You wouldn't mind living in Syria? North Korea? Somalia?

>Not being able to handle the idea of evil murder-cannibal Youkai and not being able to handle the reality of the shitty feudal-jap peasant life of the human village are very different
They're basically both sides of the same coin of "Shit people refuse to accept about canon Gensokyo".

>The human village wouldn't make much sense if it were a picturesque 1st world suburb with feudal jap DLC camo, would it?
Obviously. That still doesn't change the fact that it's a bad place to live.

>ZUN can't force anyone to share his own headcanon with him.
So, what, you're resorting to death of the author?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 23 04:35:25 2018 No.20294319 >>20294037 Eating Human Flesh when you look like a teenage girl is pretty edgy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 23 04:37:15 2018 No.20294321 >>20294037 Youkai eating people is edgy because it's not something they have to do. It's like being a cannibal, expect they don't get arrested right away.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 23 06:40:14 2018 No.20294638 File: 15 KB, 208x212, 1535075731537.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Touhou, while not a edgy series is, however, a dark series

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 23 07:01:49 2018 No.20294722 >>20294321 >Youkai eating people is edgy because it's not something they have to do. Humans also don't have to eat meat. >. It's like being a cannibal, No, it isn't. Cannibalism is the act of eating someone who belongs to the same species you do.

Anonymous Fri Nov 23 09:32:04 2018 No.20295244

>>20294722
>Humans also don't have to eat meat
True, and some Humans actually don't eat meat. But, almost universally, we view it as wrong to eat the flesh of other sapient creatures.

>Cannibalism is the act of eating someone who belongs to the same species you do.
It's like being a cannibal insofar that it's not something you have to do to survive. It's something you do because you are fundamentally twisted.

Anonymous Fri Nov 23 10:40:31 2018 No.20295526

>>20294321
I'm fairly sure that youkai do have to consume some modicum of human in order to continue existing.
More concisely, as they exist as the pure manifestation of common belief in them, if the common belief dictates that they consume human, they must oblige or risk oblivion. That is not to say that they might not actively seek out humans for that express reason, however. Since they're grown out of that fear, they should have a tendency towards those actions regardless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 23 10:42:29 2018 No.20295536 File: 101 KB, 388x304, 9156163464.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20294638

Anonymous Fri Nov 23 11:20:02 2018 No.20295657

>>20295526
>I'm fairly sure that youkai do have to consume some modicum of human in order to continue existing.
And i'm completely sure that has never been mentioned anywhere in canon. And, in fact, Youkai eating people has been consistently portrayed as a want rather than a need.

>More concisely, as they exist as the pure manifestation of common belief in them, if the common belief dictates that they consume human, they must oblige or risk oblivion.
Even that's not true. The Youkai in Gensokyo have a lot more freedom than Youkai used to have in the outside world, Symposium says that pretty explicitly. The only thing they need is fear and belief, both of which are already provided in abundance by the Human Villagers. Eating Outsiders is something they pretty much just do because they can. It is literally them just being edgy.

Anonymous Fri Nov 23 11:56:32 2018 No.20295773

>>20295657
I concede that the consumption of humans has not necessarily been portrayed as a need has not been explicitly established, as far as I can recall from the material.
I still hold what Ive stated as true as consequences of the continued existence of these youkai, but I digress.

Anonymous Fri Nov 23 13:27:02 2018 No.20296128

>>20294316
Being miserable as a farmer, or living somewhere lik best Korea, Chemical-weaponyria, or Somalia would be paradise compared to being a privledged and decadent middle class ameritrashcan. At least it'd look like it feels.
>you're resorting to death of the author
Where'd you get that? Nothing like that, just that ZUN can't force anyone to accept his own (head)canon as the one and only (head)canon besides himself.
>basically both side of the same coin
Feudal jap peasant is easy to swallow and doesn't hurt an escapist/wish-fulfillment headcanon of Gensokyo at all, hell, it even makes it even better in those aspects. Youkai being evil cannibal killers does completely fuck up any redeeming qualities that 2hu has over other expansive headcanon settings and works. Might as well migrate to 40k, at least it'd be a more honest representation of Grimsokyo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 23 15:55:45 2018 No.20296809 File: 529 KB, 1280x1790, 10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20295773

Anonymous Fri Nov 23 19:06:21 2018 No.20297729

>>20296128
>Being miserable as a farmer, or living somewhere lik best Korea, Chemical-weaponyria, or Somalia would be paradise compared to being a privledged and decadent middle class ameritrashcan.
You know, i'm not American myself and i've never been to the country. But can I just ask... why? What exactly is so utterly terrible about America that you would rather live in a literal war torn ruin?

> Nothing like that, just that ZUN can't force anyone to accept his own (head)canon as the one and only (head)canon besides himself.
That's pretty much what Death of the Author is.

>Feudal jap peasant is easy to swallow and doesn't hurt an escapist/wish-fulfillment headcanon of Gensokyo at all
It does, actually. Like, it affects it a lot in fact. Living as a feudal japanese peasants is a miserable, short, toil filled life that by modern standards makes most countries seem like paradise.

>Youkai being evil cannibal killers does completely fuck up any redeeming qualities that 2hu has over other expansive headcanon settings and works.
Well, then I hate to say this. But Touhou has Youkai that are cannibal killers.

Anonymous Fri Nov 23 22:40:39 2018 No.20298575

>>20295244
> But, almost universally, we view it as wrong to eat the flesh of other sapient creatures.
Humans haven't met another sapient species. But considering our treatment of intelligent animals, I doubt that we would treat a lesser sapient species kindly.
Cephalopods, cetaceans and pigs are among the most intelligent animals on our planet, and they are all hunted/farmed for their meat.
Intelligence of their meal isn't something that's considered relevant by most humans.

>It's something you do because you are fundamentally twisted.
Judging non humans with human standards is a terrible habit of humans.
Youkai eat humans because it's part of their nature or something they enjoy. There's nothing wrong or edgy about that.
Humans are just another animal. Youkais are magical entities, judging them with human standards is moronic.

Anonymous Sat Nov 24 03:51:57 2018 No.20299523

>>20298575
It doesn't matter that we haven't met another sapient creature. Considering how good people are at drawing arbitrary dividing lines between "them" and "us". To the point of viewing entire groups of their fellow humans as essentially being a different species, or at least inferior. It is still very significant that cannibalism is a line that even the most racist, imperalist, and badshit insane people almost never cross.

Also, now that's we're actually starting to realize how intelligent certain animals are. Some countries are actually starting to implement laws viewing them as such.

>Judging non humans with human standards is a terrible habit of humans.
Why? Like, i'm not judging a mindless non sentient tiger for eating a guy that walked into a territory. I'm judging a sapient, intelligent, creature for making the active choice to eat humans when it doesn't have to. And not judging Youkai by Human standards also means refusing to give them any empathy or kindness, viewing them as little more than a problem to be exterminated. And I don't think that's fair, considering there are plenty of non harmful Youkai.

Anonymous Sat Nov 24 06:04:23 2018 No.20299876

>>20299523
>>20299523
>To the point of viewing entire groups of their fellow humans as essentially being a different species, or at least inferior. It is still very significant that cannibalism is a line that even the most racist, imperalist, and badshit insane people almost never cross.
Like I already said cannibalism != eating another sapient species. Many animals are biologically wired to dislike cannibalism. Still some humans do engage in murder, genocide, and exploitation of their own species. And this is in a modern society which punishes these acts.

Also, let me apologize. I worded something in >>20298575 badly.
>Judging non humans with human standards is a terrible habit of humans.
Applying human standards/ethics/morals to the actions of non humans, is what I meant.

>Why? Like, i'm not judging a mindless non sentient tiger for eating a guy that walked into a territory. I'm judging a sapient, intelligent, creature for making the active choice to eat humans when it doesn't have to.
Many yōkai are immortal, can use magic, and perceive things that humans can't see. Should a human life hold any value for a milenia old yōkai?

Anonymous Sat Nov 24 08:03:41 2018 No.20300278

>>20299876
>Like I already said cannibalism != eating another sapient species.
I know that. My point isn't that Youkai are cannibals, my point is the underlying reasons why they eat people are the same as cannibals. Which is to say, because they are insane and twisted sociopaths.

>Applying human standards/ethics/morals to the actions of non humans, is what I meant.
You seem to think applying human standards is a one way street that is only used to cast negative judgement on a creature. But that's nonsense, it's just as important in forming positive judgements of something. If you don't apply human standards of ethics and morals to a creature, then you're essentially placing them on the same level as plants or bacteria.

>Should a human life hold any value for a milenia old yōkai?
Yes. Otherwise, they are nothing more than evil sociopaths. The equivalent of a kid torturing small animals. And children that torture animals usually end up doing far worse things in the long run.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 24 13:52:17 2018 No.20301809 >>20291930 you are stupid, stop posting

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 24 18:27:05 2018 No.20303110 >>20301809 No

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 25 04:42:08 2018 No.20305334 Humans master race

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 25 05:28:51 2018 No.20305461 File: 388 KB, 1121x431, 3216579875.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 25 06:31:28 2018 No.20305667 >>20299876 >Should a human life hold any value for a milenia old yōkai? Here's the big spoiler: youkai can't survive without humans. Humans can do very well without youkai. Make your own conclusion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 25 11:02:58 2018 No.20306575 >>20305461 Neat

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 25 13:39:11 2018 No.20307351 >>20305667 >>20305334 Reminder that Humans are superior.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 25 22:09:22 2018 No.20309685 >>20307351 Humanity fuck yeah is a illness

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 26 01:29:56 2018 No.20310328 >>20309685 you're wrong but you're entitled to be wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 26 01:38:20 2018 No.20310363 >>20309685 Misanthropy is the true illness

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 26 05:21:24 2018 No.20310909 >>20309685 The fact that you are capable of being a childish misanthrope already makes you superior to all other life forms, including youkai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 26 08:47:44 2018 No.20311766 >>20305461 The madman

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 26 18:32:32 2018 No.20314031 >>20309685 What makes a person thin like this

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 26 19:21:04 2018 No.20314277 File: 213 KB, 850x1230, __himekaidou_hatate_touhou_drawn_by_s_syogo__sample-2e331152f9ff0b53480e3ffb2dd2ece4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20314031 Sanity and maybe some xenophilia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 03:43:27 2018 No.20315850 >>20314277 *Insanity and a lot of xenophilia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 12:23:50 2018 No.20317584 >>20315850 Same thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 18:20:05 2018 No.20319210 >>20317584 No

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 27 18:48:39 2018 No.20319341 >>20319210 Why would you want to genocide and/or enslave all non-humans, anon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 28 02:49:52 2018 No.20321068 >>20317584 I'm not sure why you think sanity and insanity are the same thing, but alright.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 28 09:20:11 2018 No.20322126 >>20305461 Does keine eat humans on a full moon

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 28 09:39:14 2018 No.20322207 File: 308 KB, 843x539, drunkards_in_eientei_14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20322126 Obviously.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 28 17:58:48 2018 No.20324467 >>20322207 Hot damn

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 03:25:59 2018 No.20326940 >>20322207 What's going on?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 11:20:28 2018 No.20329061 >>20167692 Edgy

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 14:34:17 2018 No.20329896 >>20314277 Squishy toes

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 01:13:11 2018 No.20332954 >>20329896 What

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 09:47:17 2018 No.20335243 >>20322207 Source

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 15:36:03 2018 No.20337116 >>20321068 because he's insane

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 02:40:25 2018 No.20339598 >>20337116 no

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 03:33:10 2018 No.20339686 >>20165001 Power rush. Also we don't know the circumstances of Yatagarasu's death and that may have done something.

Anonymous Sat Dec 1 03:36:04 2018 No.20339691

>>20180524
Debateable; there's still the Watasukis.

Also we have a character who 100% outranks Eiki in Hecatia now; who ZUN has outright said is the strongest character and absolutely no-one in the series would stand a chance if she were to fight seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 03:40:20 2018 No.20339698 >>20259586 She's a human-eating con artist, who's got one of the bigger egos in Touhou. Not quite Remi-level ego; but she is very overconfident.

Anonymous Sat Dec 1 03:44:05 2018 No.20339706

>>20283122
Well 'open doors' is just a re-branding of Yukari's gaps.

And powers haven't been the sole measure of strength forever. Eiki's ability is to see in Black and White yet she for a long time was Top 3 in terms of the power scale. Yuuka's ability to manipulate plants is outright stated to be useless in combat yet she's in-canon regarded as a terrifying youkai.

On the opposite end of the scale is Yuugi; who's ability sounds really broken, but her actual greatest power is her raw physical strength that even Suika says surpasses hers. Bear in mind Suika can control density which obviously amplifies her physical strength and punching power...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 06:36:37 2018 No.20340250 >>20339698 >Not quite Remi-level ego She said "I'll show you the true terror of darkness!" before fighting Remilia. She's probably up there with Remilia, maybe even a rival.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 10:22:38 2018 No.20341687 >>20260210 >Cannibalism is my fetish! >Nothing quite gets me out of bed in the mornings like the thought of human flesh! How did she lose her Arm?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 11:20:29 2018 No.20341999 Why is she called Okuu tho? secondary shit, she is Utsuho

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 12:03:50 2018 No.20342153 >>20339598 sorry buddy i don't make the rules

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 1 17:52:06 2018 No.20344085 >>20341999 That's her nickname

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 2 06:42:18 2018 No.20347085 >>20339706 Okina is special

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 2 09:44:04 2018 No.20347864 >>20344085 To het closes friend

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 2 18:40:29 2018 No.20350384 >>20341687 Humans fucked her up

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 3 09:33:59 2018 No.20353515 >>20350384 Lies

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 3 21:09:29 2018 No.20357155 >>20353515 its the truth

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 13:32:12 2018 No.20361135 >>20347085 Define special.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 4 19:16:10 2018 No.20362914 >>20361135 She's one in a million

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