/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, visual novels, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Last thread: >>19727056

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734963
>forgot thread number
#1995

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734963
Delete this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734970
他のスレは様はない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734970
People can't delete their own threads anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/xcM9kCZt9o8?t=1h13m6s

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735011
use streamable

[Anonymous No.]

4chan X settings > filter > subject
/daily japanese thread/i;highlight;
/djt/i;highlight;

filter > comment
/djtguide/i;highlight;
/itazuraneko/i;highlight;

Now DJT should always show up at the very top of the catalog, even when the OP forgets the subject (like ITT).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735011
>38:20
>Oh you're talking about reading? Well ACHTUAL-LEE, written Japanese isn't Japanese! It's a written representation!
I mean he's not wrong but why is he making a big deal out of this right here? It's unrelated to the topic at hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735023
if you just search djt it'll catch it anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735026
Searching takes effort. This way you just open /jp/ and there it is, right at the top of the page for you (with a kawaii highlight).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735029
>>>/jp/djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735032
That's 4 whole extra characters that you have to type, man.

[Anonymous No.]

>へんなにおいがするような気がした
What's the おい here? I can't parse it.
Context: A little girl just walked into a house, the door was open which set off some red flags but she kept going in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735036
i don't even have to type them because firefox puts them there for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735043
>saving your browsing history

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735058
It's ok, I'll just shoot myself if anyone ever finds out I know Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>思い切る
>Abandon thoughts
>To make up one's mind
>To make a moment's decision
I'm mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735062
To cut off your thoughts [and just do something].

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735062
>色んな意味だ
>日本語、思い切ってください

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735024
>why is he making a big deal out of this right here?
One look at him should answer that question for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735067
verb stem + 切る means to do something to completion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735070
Good thing 思い is a noun here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735070
yeah and it takes that meaning from "cut"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735040
変な匂い
poor loli gon' get raped

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735072
No it's not, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735080
But it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735011
Why do your interview in Japanese if you have to say "maa" after every word? It's unbelievably irritating to listen to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735084
まあまあ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735081
Only in the sense that all verb stems are nouns. If you're presuming that 思い here isn't a verb stem then you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735087
All I said was it was a noun here, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735088
Why did you say it then? Responding to "verb stem + 切る" with "but it's a noun" is obviously getting at something.

[Anonymous No.]

Is し a noun in し始める?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735091
getting at your autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735086
まあ、なんか、ね？もう、なんか、まあ、おち、まあ、おちついた

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735095
>Autism (noun): To notice someone's flawed argument and comment on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735091
Yeah. Some 連用形 attachment friendly verbs take multiple meaning depending on whether the 連用形 is interpreted as an infinitive or a noun, which is context/emphasis dependent. That's why 思い切る has an annoying range of senses. Same with 振り切る.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735099
multiple meanings*
Don't buy heavy switche kids.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735024
Spoken Japanese isn't Japanese, it's a spoken representation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735070
Do you think that the literal meaning of 切る in isolation didn't contribute to what it means as a conjugation and doesn't affect how word choice works or something?

Christ. Don't study advanced grammar, kids.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that most Japanese words that you think gave multiple meanings don't actually have multiple meanings, this is just a simplification to help you understand the word. In reality the word has only one meaning, but it doesn't have a single word that directly correlates to its range of usage in English, leading to the need of multiple words or phrases in English to explain it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735098
That's a verb you retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735119
definitions are senses, not meanings

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735120
It's a pronoun dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/wsg/2331919
まあ
そのお
ええっと
それでですねえ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735128
How did he wind up having to use so many interjections when he rehearsed the video multiple times before making the version he uploaded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735099
連用形 is not infinitive wtf, japanese does not even have an infinitive
思い in 思い切る is never interpreted as a noun, that doesn't make any sense
思い切る is also not even annoying either, this is just more clown business like when people complain about かける

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735135
You don't know what an infinitive is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735132
https://youtu.be/HXzrkX3apOk?t=356

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735132
He probably just recorded it a few times and picked the one that sounded least gaijin
He actually sounds good in that webm clip except for the horrible intonation on それで. Natives use those interjections just like he did, they just don't sound alien because they have native accents.
That clip is definitely better than the posers in >>19735011 but if it's not candid then I would like to see candid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735136
I know what a fucking infinitive is, it's not a hard concept. This is like telling me I don't know what a dog is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735162
Okay. What's an infinitive?

[Anonymous No.]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735104
日本語は日本語でわないんだよ。

[Anonymous No.]

fuck anki, man

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735181
日本語の森を見てよ！！！
頑張って名無しくん！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735165
cringecore

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735181
how's this sound, if you pick up an LN and start trying to work through it i'll give you a gold star for the day and you can skip your anki reps

if it all goes well you can do it tomorrow and the day after and all the days after that too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735017
I don't get what Matt vs Pokeman means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735184
does anyone know which volume this is from, i want to clip a nihongo version but i don't want to spend time looking for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735185
reviews would just pile up, dude
i'll give you a tin star for effort, though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735210
i'm telling you to quit anki you dim gaijin

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735213
wtf

[Anonymous No.]

Hey uhh i would like to make an anki deck with the help of yomichan where the cards work so that you first see the english translations of the word and then when you turn it you see the kanji and hiragana versions, how do? I want to be able to recall the reading from the english words alone so i can actually use them for producing japanese instead of just being able to read.
Having done RTK i believe this order is superior.

[Anonymous No.]

>all 200 volumes of Kochikame are available in the DJT library
Finally, time to read up on this Japanese tradition and reunite with my high school Japanese friend Takuji who lent me volume 1 when I can barely read katakana

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735191

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735237
wtf no

>card with Knaji on the front
>if you don't know the reading and the word, try again later

Putting meanings on the front of cards is a bad idea once you start stacking synonyms

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735237
this is the worst idea ever

you won't be able to produce japanese just because you have a english-to-nihongo index of vocabulary in your head, there are so many differences in word use and meaning and grammar that anything you produced would still end up being a bunch of garbled nonsense until you spent enough time reading and listening to actually pick up the language

just do it the normal j-e way if you feel the need to do anki, and also go read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735250
Yeah i know but that's why i figured it ought to have many meanings there. Surely the synonyms don't have completely same meanings? Or i suppose some do, well maybe this isn't a good idea then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735237
If you arleady have a deck with the front side showing the japanese vocab and the back showing the English, you can just reverse the front and the back sides of the Anki cards. It's a thing you can do with the program itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735254
Oh it's just that i'm doing a jap course in school rn because why not? it's free, an easy course and the teacher is a native. The thing is that after every chapter there is a vocab like usual, and ofc i could just study them the conventional way but i figured that putting them into anki would be faster since i've had good a experience with anki so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735259
Oh cool, i'll try that out and see if this method works at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735256
The point is to eventually have a nice catalogue of "ideas" stored in your head with Japanese words attached to them. It's really helpful to be able to access all the words that mean one thing or the next instead of relying 100% on 1 or 2 words you know.

Like, at any given time, a news story will have the words 遺体 and 死体 in sentences for variety, or 死亡する and then 亡くなる. Kind of like how we don't really think of different things when we hear "body" and "corpse" in this context, or "died" and "passed away."

Make no mistake, early on it's very important to fill the meaning gaps in your head with just the one word, but it NEVER hurts to know more than one in case you either want to spice things up, or if you forget one but can remember another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735268
well do whatever you want on your own time, just keep in mind you won't learn any japanese through anything that doesn't consist of reading or listening to big time gachi nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

Do people actually read like this? White text on black background? The default settings on the DJT library for novels?

It strains my eyes, especially if I move on from that to Jisho. I know I can change it (and I did), but do people actually read things like this? Do you not hurt your eyes if so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735298
The less light from your monitor the better? Idk, but changing to darken mode on many websites is preferrable to me atleast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735298
it's actually illuminated white backgrounds that cause eye strain not black backgrounds
paper is okay because it's not self illuminating

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735298
I read on a kindle but I don't have any problem reading gray text on a black background like that, people do it all the time to reduce light from their monitor. The light is what stresses your eyes and keeps you awake.

[Anonymous No.]

> ごじら
> Godzilla
Why

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735310
I can't think up of a portmanteau that combines god and whale.

[Anonymous No.]

妹はまだここにいるだろう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735315
Oh. I thought they first thought of the name Godzilla and then katakanised it to ごじら.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735298
Most people prefer reading white on black than the opposite when it comes to monitors. Isn't there a jisho dark mode? Also why are you using jisho to begin with, just use yomichan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735334
>Also why are you using jisho to begin with, just use yomichan.
Less convenient. Using yomichan is so easy, so simple, it doesn't feel like I'm actually learning.

[Anonymous No.]

if you wanted to learn you would load up a J->J epwing dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735351
Good idea! I'll start using that, and if I don't get it I'll use the J-E epwing I already installed. Thanks, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735351
Should I go straight into Kojien or would Daijirin suffice? Didn't realize Koijen was far more massive than Daijirin.

[Anonymous No.]

Ｊ－Ｊつかうほうがいいとおもう

こんらんしない

Ｅ－Ｊもがっこうでかわされるけど

Ｅ－Ｅつかってるときのほうが

こんらんしない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735366
Kojien is the old school dictionary. It has annoying wordy definitions and doesn't order them by most common usage, I think it orders them by the historical order in which they were derived (which means a lot of the words have uncommon definitions first).

Daijirin is better, it has pitch accent info and clearer definitions that are ordered by most common usage. Meikyou is also really good so I would download that too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735343
Yeah, so it's more convenient, not less. I mean if you feel that actually typing the word in jisho and potentially manually adding to anki helps it stick, good for you. You do realize that just looking up on jisho once isn't really learning either though, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735389
No, I'm saying Jisho is less convenient and the effort of actually getting it into Jisho helps me remember it than just hanging your mouse and let the definitions float above the word.

I also prefer reading paper novels or novels in JPG format for this reason, although for the latter KanjiTomo was always there, the temptress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735366
>>19735383
Here's an example of what I'm talking about with Kojien.
Top definition is Kojien, bottom is Meikyou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735298
The problem in your image is that it has poor contrast. Because that's not white on black. it's grey on grey. Pure white on pure black would be bad as well but a little lighter grey for the text would probably make it much better. And yes, light text on a dark background is more comfortable to read on a backlit screen, at least for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735399
Huh, I actually got some of those meanings! The meikyou ones especially. Maybe moving to a J-J dictionary won't be the mindcrushing pain I thought it'll be after all.

Thanks anon, I'll follow your recc and download Meikyou. Shit, it's just 14 MB, like a tenth of Daijirin.

[Anonymous No.]

And this is Daijirin.
This one is probably the most informative in this particular case. Meikyou conveys nuance better sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735396
Ah, I see! Sorry I got confused. Yeah that would make sense. I personally use yomichan because it lets me easily put the words I don't know directly into anki with audio.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735399
>>19735411
What do the black diamonds and the white square mean? Is there a glossary of Japanese dictionary icons somewhere?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735419
The black diamond is just what meikyou uses to put a note at the end and the white squares are just how daijirin makes numbers look more important.

They don't mean anything but real symbols you can probably find a glossary for if you browse the epwing index. They're just kanji and numbers though so use your head and figure it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735239
Are you saying you're going to read manga?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735429
oh shit oh shit oh shit no i don't mean that please forgive me for this one small mistake

[Anonymous No.]

you better post a video of yourself crunching on some manga pages like bungaku shoujo someday or i'll be sorely disappointed

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735435
yeah, I'll do that once I finishes my first non-LN novel

[Anonymous No.]

Every time I encounter 麗 the first thing I see is a face. I can't be the only one, can I?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735454
It's a pretty deer wearing glasses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735454
So many Kanji have faces

笑　笛　筆　麓　魔　質　盗　the list goes on and on, but some definitely look freakier than others

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735454
そうぞうりょくがゆたかでいらっしゃる

美

このかんじはさわると

いたそうだなとおもってる

みためがツンツンしてる

[Anonymous No.]

To the people here that read novels, how did you get into it? What was your first novel? I'm at 6k words total and reading moege is a breeze but I'd like something more challenging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735483
novels aren't reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735483
Go to http://djt.netlify.com
Pick up an interesting novel and start reading
Look up and save words you dont know
Rinse and repeat for the rest of your life

[Daniel No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejRkuX1RGf4
Hey /djt/, so I found this guy called "Khatzumoto" while Googling effective ways to learn Japanese online. Apparently there are quite a few people who have attained near-native fluency through his AJATT method. Should I give it a try? Can I trust him?

[Anonymous No.]

https://sys.4chan.org/jp/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=19735528

[Daniel No.]

>>19735532
what a bitch

[Anonymous No.]

At which point should I start reading? After 6k or do I need to do another 4k before yotsuba?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735670
Need to do at least 10k, plus 10000 hours of English dubbed Anime with Japanese subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735677

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735694
Nihongo is a mystery language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735670
If you postponed reading past 1000 cards in Anki your Japanese is permanently crippled. You may as well just give up by this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735694
that's true of most grammar exceptions to be fair

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735706
I watch Kizuna Ai's videos every day though so I should be ok until I start reading about a year from now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735701
How do you learn a mystery language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735720
Try not being an eop

[Anonymous No.]

What's the secret to doing an uvular nasal sound (ɴ) for ん? I can't seem to do it. Should I even bother?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735760
I would like to know this too. Also, sometimes it sounds like 'm' rather than 'n', like sempai. What's with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735781
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ん#Pronunciation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9mkrEpYAJg

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735798
The video doesn't really tell how to do the open nasal passage thing while producing a sound. I just can't do those two things at once. I'll just pretend my velar nasal is an uvular nasal for now, they sound similar anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735798

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735760
put your tongue father back in your mouth than when you say "k" and make a nasal sound

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735760
どのん？

んのおと

アクセントいろいろあるとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735865
Oh, so that's how you do it, thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735435
Hold on I'll eat some naruto later.

>>19735670
Manga isn't reading, it's watching or eating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735670
you should start right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735876
np

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have this book as pdf or ebook?

[Anonymous No.]

I think I got it once as pro learning experience and I will be awake and I will be at the end of the day I will be studying for Japanese and I am a normal human being with a lot of time and energy to make things work and I will be awake and I am not even sure what to do about it more and more often than I have ever been able to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735884
> He doesn't eat books to absorb it's knowledge

[Anonymous No.]

>I'm having a stroke
>My Japanese is interfering with my English and making it worse
>People can suddenly not type coherent English sentences online
I can't tell which is true.

[Anonymous No.]

I just learned this word
生き地獄 and is sooo cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736077
What are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736077
Context anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736088
>>19736095
You fags blind? >>19736059

[Anonymous No.]

How are you doing with your new studies of Japanese in of beginning at today?

[Anonymous No.]

>だからさっきみたいに、冗談っぽいノリで告っちまうのもありっちゃーありだと思うぞ」
>告っち
don't get that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736115
Gonna drone my reps and then read barely comprehensible material that even 3 year old children could do fine at, same as every day.

[Anonymous No.]

Lived in Japan til I was 5. Didn't study since leaving for Europe. Am 26.what do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736148
The same thing everyone else is doing. You fucked up by not using it, young kids learn language fast but forget it just as fast if they don't use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736148
Don't mention if you still know the language or anything, why would we need to know that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736148
read things

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736159
But you also relearn it a lot easier, since it doesn't completely leave your brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736244
I wonder how that works. I once saw on the news about a guy who got into a car accident. When he woke up he only spoke French, which he spoke when he was younger and had then since forgotten.

[Anonymous No.]

Going to Japan in 2 weeks, I'm at about N4 level in reading but not so much listening and especially humble/honorific stuff I'd have to listen to in shops/restaurants. Any good resource I could cram for two weeks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736315
>Any good resource I could cram for two weeks?
ye I heard google has some stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736351
I should reiterate - Any resources you guys specifically recommend to be useful for conversations I'm likely to get into while being a tourist in Japan, that I can realistically consume in two weeks' time?
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

Studying has been for 1 year and if taking test of N expensive or not so much a lot? Also of using can do what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736315
>>19736359
my dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734963
>the rest of the internet
>Donald J Trump
I dont get the joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735454
I see an archaeologist finding a mediocre painting of a deer on the ceiling of a cave which he loves so much he copies over to the ceiling of his house. He asks his wife for her thoughts and she says "It's lovely..." but she really believes it's mediocre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736418
Trump is the joke. But sadly he's not really that funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736425
Where the fuck is the deer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736128
>告っちまう
=告ってしまう
=告白してしまう
告る（こくる）is a casually saying of 告白する

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736493
Bambi enters a cave and notices two spoons beside a side order of salad. But what's the main course?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736503
Bambi's bringing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736473
>he's not really that funny.
Yeah, he is. He's fucking hysterically funny.

This typifies the lack of objectivity on the Left. Hate him all you want, but if you're on 4chan, chances are you like seeing niggas get roasted. He roasts niggas on Twitter every day, Come have fun with us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736560
Not everyone on 4chan is racist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736570
Neither are we.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736570
you'd fit in better on reddit and that's not a joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736560
> He roasts niggas on Twitter every day
So this is what passes off as "humour" in アメリカ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736570
>Not everyone on 4chan is racist.
Not everyone you don't agree with is racist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736599
Where's the humor? Trump lobs shit at the Democrats all day on social media. If you're paying attention it's amazing to watch how little he gives a fuck. I'd think you'd enjoy that spirit of rebellion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735694
???
仕事によってとても疲れた is not wrong
but sounds a bit unnatural (ちょっとかたくるしい感じがする)

停電によって大変困った is as natural as で、のために for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736570
I know right? All those wh*teoids who keep saying the 'N' word on 4chin should be banned or better yet burned at the stake am I right?
Upvoted ;)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736560
His twitter tantrums aren't funny or witty at all. Simply whining about something or someone doesn't make your output amusing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736647
Man, you're glossing over all the good stuff. But this is off-topic and we should stop.

[Anonymous No.]

good news my reviews are going to dip below 100 for the first time in 3 months in 2 days

[Anonymous No.]

Is there so kind of rule do add both accent to an hiragana in a kanji-composed word (i don't know how to say it exactly, transforming こ to ご for example).
Because i have seen a lot of word in wich one of the on yomi reading of a kanji is transform that way in shonen but the word cannot be seen in any dictionnary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736765
Terrible English-kun, it's near impossible to understand you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736765
Readings are sometimes changed to make it easier to say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736790
You don't know english.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736790
Yeah not only do i have communication disorder but i am not an english native.
What i was trying to say was that if a word isn't in any dictionnary, is there a way to know if any of the kanji composing the word is altered? For example a こ becoming a ご?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736832
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendaku

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735366
Get Kojien + Daijisen. In the case that Kojien has a confusing definition (not the frequent occurrence that some people in these threads would have you believe), usually Daijirin's definition isn't any easier to understand, whereas Daijisen's usually is (despite being generally very similar to Daijirin).

[Anonymous No.]

just took a shower now i'm gonna "read" for 2 hours (use yomichan to hover over all the symbols and piece together what each sentence is conveying and apparently this is going to help me "read" in the future somehow)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737008
Unironically does if you pay attention instead of just gliding like a faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737031
what does it meant to pay attention or to glide? for example i mull over the sentence for a minute trying to understand what each part of it is trying to do, and then what it conveys (and i give up if it takes too long), but i don't know if this info will stick in my head in the long term since i'm using yomichan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737008
>use yomichan
You're not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.]

ケーキは好き食べるので買うです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737065
man this this is so confusing to me. without a dictionary i don't know anything so reading is worthless

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737065
Go back to drawing your stickmen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735084
some people do similar things in their native tongue, you know. plenty of Americans out here who say "well" and "like" between all of their sentences. overuse of disfluencies doesn't necessarily indicate a lack of proficiency, just a lack of eloquence

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737076
anon no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735086
Just killed a man

[Anonymous No.]

So how does Matt's MIA differ from AJATT again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737097
you didn't really address anything he said though. it IS irritating, especially when the person is older and should carry themselves with some respect and not talk like a 13 year old boy. you have no excuse in your second language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737118
赤や高菜またナユぬニュらは

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737082
I meant that you should use rikai.

[Anonymous No.]

>Doing X
You're not gonna make it.
X isn't reading.
You don't know Japanese.
https://vocaroo.com/?upload
Bad faith.
Matt. AJATT.
You're doing it wrong, I'm doing it right.
Nice strawman.
X will permanently cripple your Japanese.

I just covered the next 10 threads of DJT so you won't miss anything, go study.

[Anonymous No.]

What kind of grammar is it when you have two verbs connected with って like 知って楽しむ- [X]?
Is it like "Fun to know"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737152
That’s only this one thread you’ve covered. There will be something new in the next.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737133
Man have you ever seen the fucking news? People do that in every language and it is irritating in every language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737158
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=japanese+connecting+two+verbs+with+%E3%81%A6+form&rlz=1C1CHBF_jaUS768US768&oq=japanese+connecting+two+verbs+with+%E3%81%A6+form&aqs=chrome..69i57.5585j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737152
You seem traumatized.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737185
You must live a very sheltered life in your mom's house if you think that's "traumatized".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737174
yes i have seen the news. they read off teleprompters. if you're talking about the discussion programs then they do not do those interjection non-words with nearly the frequency with which matt and luke do.
まぁちょっとなんかなんか相談したい fuck off with that shit and learn to speak properly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737178
So the sentence 知って楽しむ情報 is simply wrong or doesn't make sense? "Information that I know and enjoy"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737130
Several things. Firstly AJATT has a bad rep because of the shitty AJATT website and Khatz' attempts to monetize dumb shit, or push dumb shit like MCDs. Also flexibility. He wants MIA to incorporate more experimentation and your preference depending on your goals. Lastly he says AJATT gets you 90% of the way to a native while he wants MIA to get you 100% of the way if that's what you want. He thinks you need to study pitch accent early on if you want to acquire it. And he thinks in order to become close to a native you'll have to do some dedicated study of subjects you might not find fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737216
知って楽しむ is modifying 情報, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737252
So the guy on my Jap teacher's FB page is just dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737210
I meant when they interview random people on the news.

[Anonymous No.]

nice to see that 4chan is healthy and definitely not saturated with people who are fully indulging in their unbridled mental problems in public to the detriment of others

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737384
The door is right there, buddy.

>>>/r/learnjapanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737521
you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737521
That's a good resource tho

[Anonymous No.]

>勝負下着
Why is this even a thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737530
Wow, how did you know that I'm not fluent? Did the fact that I'm posting in a thread about learning Japanese give me a way? Speaking of which, what are you doing here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19737384
Enjoying your first day on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738066
i've been here longer than you
>>19738065
you're not just not fluent, you don't know japanese at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738052
youll understand after you watch 10000 hours of anime

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just gonna go ahead and say that the average /r/learnjapanese poster knows the language better than the average /djt/ poster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738105
There are 120k members on /r/learnjapanese do you still support your claim?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738118
Yes. The average member that regularly posts and didn't just subscribe or whatever to ask how to learn hiragana and then fucked off knows the language better than the people that regularly post in these threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738105
i really doubt that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738128
this guy is right. i just started reading and it's taken me 40 minutes to read that a guy has followed a path to his school and he took out his id and that something is suspicious

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738164
That's actually hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738273
Where's the 欠?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738286
his mouth is open

[Anonymous No.]

fixed

[Anonymous No.]

Kino no tabi is boring what do i read

[Anonymous No.]

I can't draw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738336
heh

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738361
the bible

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738427
this is actually a good idea

[Anonymous No.]

why does のこと come after a person when a speaker is talking about them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738522
cuz it's about they koto dude, what's the problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738083
You really like to make a lot of assumptions about people you don't know on the internet. It's looking increasingly as though the one with 'unbridled mental problems' here is you. Projecting much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738083
>i've been here longer than you
>bragging about taking longer to learn japanese
あなたは自分をあそぶした

[Anonymous No.]

anyone seen this book online?
https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Vocabulary-JLPT-N5-Proficiency/dp/1548612294

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738164
yikes I passed n5 before I even really started studying japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738610
Same, I did the n5 test before I even learned kana and still passed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738164
Holy shit thats the asshole who argued with me that you had to do RTK before you started anything else, what a poptart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738164
I just don't understand.. I bought genki1&2, I downloaded anki and core10k, I subscribed to m*ttvsjap*n's patreon...... why doesn't Japanese come to me now, what am I missing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738633
At least he has a cool 十八番

[Anonymous No.]

matt doesn't recommend genki or core10k. please don't spread misinformation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738105

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738676

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738531
If someone is shitposting about donald trump being "hilarious" somewhere that has absolutely nothing to do with politics at all, I'm pretty sure they're the one with "unbridled mental health problems".

[Anonymous No.]

>reading
>see ほうがいい after verb
>look it up on DOJG
>understand the purpose it serves

And now what? How do I remember this shit? I'm going to forget it in no time.

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I take the N0 test?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738694
>jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738733
anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738733
覚えたほうがいいと思う

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738744
i thought anki was bad? fucking god damn it.

[Anonymous No.]

can u take breaks during anki sessions

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738733
add sentences using that grammar point to anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738164
>taking N5 in the first place
>failing it
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738760
What format for the card do you recommend? Sentence without ほうがいい for instance on the front and ほうがいい on the back? Or how?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738336
cheap but I fucking laughed

[Anonymous No.]

so に particle + もらう can also mean ”from?” Huh, good to know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738759
I spread mine out and do them when I have extra time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738773
What kind of things you encounter at N5?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738774
Japanese sentence with ほうがいい on the front
if you're just starting, put an English translation on the back or maybe a short summary of the ほうがいい grammar point

when reviewing, read the sentence
if you know what it means, good job
if you don't know, look at the translation or explanation on the back again
don't make a conscious effort to memorize the exact English translation or word for word explanation of a grammar point

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738774
FRONT
しないほうがいい

BACK
ほうがいい
1. had better (after past tense verb)
2. had better (not​ after negative verb)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738800
それはペンですか？
はい、ペンです。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738811
sorry i messed up the 2nd definition it should be "had better not ("

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738676
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738774
I just add a sentence to the front, then any notes/translations on the back. Then just click correct if I fully understood that sentence. I don't even look at the notes after a while for that card if I feel confident about it. Maybe you could try that. It's worked for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738807
>>19738811
>>19738826
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735435
Here you go, manga is eating https://streamable.com/3mzd6

>>19738479
Words for DJT:
43 『隣り人を愛し、敵を憎め』と言われていたことは、あなたがたの聞いているところである。
44 しかし、わたしはあなたがたに言う。敵を愛し、迫害する者のために祈れ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738795
sbにもらう
=sbからもらう

sbにあげる
=sbへあげる

sbがくれる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738774
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/dojgdeck.html#anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738835
good video

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738528
i guess i have trouble not thinking about it literally as "thing of person"

[Anonymous No.]

khatz says add 50 sentences a day to anki
matt says add 10 sentences a day to anki
how many items do you add to anki a day if you use anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738926
I add them to my brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738675
Hmm I was going to start 6k after I finished rtk next month.. should I not? I think I at least want to do core of all the verbs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738908
If I had to bet, I'd say you did rtk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738733
Read more. You'll see it repeated often enough that you'll stop having to look it up and you'll eventually stop worrying when you see it because you know what it means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738754
Everything is good and everything is bad, it depends where you're at and what you need. If it's not making you better then stop, if it's helping you especially in an area you're weak then do more of it. That's i + 1 bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738926
I add as many as are worth adding
I learn at least 10 new ones a day, sometimes more if feel like it
50 per day is overkill, you'll drown in reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738754
you got memed

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738926
Khatz went fluent in 18 months so..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738952
i did not, just curious. Does the grammar reference cover this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738998
An episode of anime would cover that, I imagine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738729
That conversation ended 4 hours before your post. Just report them and the posts will be deleted (as they now have been). Your post was nothing more than passive-aggressive whinging, and it wasn't even clear who you were responding to since you decided to direct it at "4chan".

>I'm pretty sure they're the one with "unbridled mental health problems".
No, that's still you. They're just idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738835

ねえねえ アンオン さん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739125
Good job responding to a single-line hour-old post dude.

[Anonymous No.]

Of all things studying to do during avoid what should a person of being do?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm only the only one learning Japanese so I can use Anki. Love flying through my reps. Always reviewing my forgoten cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739400
Holy fuck

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone know how to remove all answer buttons in anki besides 1 and 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739567
ye

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739400
What?

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine not knowing English in 2018 LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739400
Are you using Google translate to write your posts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739603
Si señor. Es muy cómico.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735298
Problem is the font you're using and the antialiasing making it look all fuzzy and grey-ish. With such low resolution screen, better to switch to a font that doesn't use antialiasing. My suggestion is switch to MS Gothic, or MS Mincho.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739777

[Anonymous No.]

I could probably be fluent in Italian, Spanish and German by the time I'm conversational in Japanese. Fuck this language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739802
yeah but do those 3 have any enjoyable media no thought so put that fucking monobeno poster back on the wall and get to it you shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739802
I have that thought every now and then but then I remember that I hate those languages and there's no reason for me to ever speak them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739802
Stop whining little faggot bitch go write those kanji until your hand breaks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739810
True true
>>19739819
I can't stop falling into this trap despite knowing I don't like talking to people at all, let alone in a language other than my native one.

[Anonymous No.]

DJT, if I play this video enough times, will I learn Japanese?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKMw2it8dQY

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735399
Why are you using a bitmap font in 2018? Kanji is composed of strokes (curves) not dots (pixels). They especially look like shit any time there's anything that's even slightly angled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739871
that's what epwing dictionary viewers look like, and making them use vector fonts is a bad idea because they contain custom bitmap based glyphs in places

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739876
Oh you're talking about gaiji. I just live with them because I personally only ever see them for accented roman letters. I use qolibri and it uses a vector font by default, though I'm sure you could change your reader's as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738164
N5 is unironically difficult if you don’t know all the grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739944
Who the fuck takes N5 before knowing the grammar, though? It's not a lot of grammar. You can be ready for N5 in a couple of weeks of cramming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739950
41 is a lot of grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm reading キノの旅 as my first novel and it's painful to look up every other word. Hold me, /djt/.

[Anonymous No.]

Bottom line a test is a test and everybody studies for tests. If anybody would study for any test idk what would make this so different that people are failing it.

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone here used iKnow for 6K? Would you recommend it?

[Anonymous No.]

So I've been reading through Tae Kim's guide and I'm a bit confused on what to do. It's this massive collection of a bunch of grammar rules I'm supposed to know before I read but how should I retain the knowledge from it? All this information is being dumped on me and I'm not sure how I should be studying it throughout the course of going through Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740024
Start with something more suited to your level?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740049
i think iknow overtests you. all you really need is a recognition test but iknow will test you on so many different aspects of the word that i think it's a waste of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740071
There are grammar anki decks you could find on google that could help you remember what each grammar point looks like if you want.

Otherwise you should read the guide once or twice and then start reading material that suits your vocabulary knowledge. Whenever you encounter a grammar point you don't recognize look it up again on Tae Kim or another grammar dictionary to refresh your memory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740049
did you see that redditor who did iknow's 6k? not only does he not regret it but he loved it. give it a shot!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740089
>>19740083
Okay I just checked it out and it has multiple-choice questions. Discarded. What's even the point of multiple-choice for learning vocabulary? Giving people the illusion that they remember the word?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740024
Iktfb, you just have to ganbatte
that being said, it's a LN or a """novel""", an actual novel would reck your shit beyond recognition at this stage

>>19740078
no it's fine, sooner or later you have to power your way through something for the first time anyway and reading doesn't get much easier than Kino's Journey

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738694
heh i remember that guy, he gave me a good chuckle
i don't know why you screencapped it though that's kind of embarrassing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740071
Just skim through it in 2 or 3 days and start reading. Everything in Tae Kim is really basic so anything you read will contain it. There's no need to memorize every conjugation rule, just have a basic idea, you'll learn it by reading. If you don't recognize a form put it on jisho

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740133
So far I've had a notebook open and I've been taking notes along the way for each section. Is that still a good thing to do?

[Anonymous No.]

Is this a bad way of memorizing hiragana instead of brute forcing it with writing?
>Play Dragon Quest IX
>Look up every Kana over and over again
>Gradually remember a few
I say I need to look up only half of them now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740149
Do what works for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740148
That sounds time-consuming but if that helps you remember it won't hurt. What are your goals? If you're not in a huge rush it's okay to take your time at first with brand new basic grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740113
I guess you can think of it as of exposure. It also doesn't take very long so it may not be all that bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740078
>>19740118
I have my Kindle to log all the words I look up, so I'll make cards out of them and re-read.

[Anonymous No.]

So the other day I was reading some posts here that there are some habits that you can develop early on that will be REALLY bad in the long run. What should I avoid doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740148
i figured the act of taking notes would make things stick a little bit better
i don't think it was worth the time, but as long as you don't take over a month to do it's fine, the most important thing is to get to the reading
if your intent is to have a better reference, remember that you can use the all-in-one dojg page and never look at tae kim's mess again when you're done

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740149
a bit of djtkana would probably save some time in the beginning, but ultimately what you're doing is the only way to get actually good at kana anyway, so if you're not losing motivation then keep it up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740168
speaking on your own. as in, you are making the sentence up yourself. repeating things japanese people say is safe, but you can make some bad habits if you speak early

[Anonymous No.]

>N2
>Play Dragon Quest X
>Accidentally write English in global chat instead of PM
>Banned

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740219
use that n2 skill to appeal depending on how sane mods are, i wouldn't know
alternatively use your newfound free time to progress further instead of pretending to progress by playing a timesink that happens to be in japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740168
Spending your time here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740239
You don't know language learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740168
really the only bad "habit" you can have that will seriously impair your prospective nihongo skill is having a small and incapable brain, but if that's the case it can't be helped (仕方がない)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740168
that small looking つ doesn't mean つ lightly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740249
try again but use your words this time so i can tell if there's anything you actually disagree with me on

[Anonymous No.]

which one? i'm only going to do the first few hundred anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740280
He's trying to argue that playing games in Japanese is being immersed in the language so they count as language learning and not a "timesink" like you said. But he doesn't want to start arguing for posts on end which is why he just replied with "You don't know language learning."

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740292
right but it's bullshit that you can just assert things like that without justifying it so fuck that piece of shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740292
I'm not arguing, I'm stating. Whether he wants to accept the truth it is up to him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740292
>>19740295
In all seriousness would playing a Japanese MMO be beneficial? Wouldn't most players use slang and junk which is harmful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740288
any of them are fine. i would suggest you resort the deck though because all of the core decks were sorted by nukemarine (someone who doesnt know japanese after studying for 8 years) in a really stupid order. once you sort it properly the first card should be 行く iku

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740303
i don't know japanese so i wouldn't know how to sort it but i do remember they start with numbers which seems off to me.

[Anonymous No.]

In all seriousness would talking to real people be beneficial? Wouldn't most of them just use a dialect or slang which is harmful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740298
It would totally be beneficial if that's what you want to do with Japanese.

It would make zero sense if it was say FF14 on an American server with the client set to Japanese, but if you're actually playing with Japanese players like DQX then there's a lot more interaction possible since you get to read hikikomoris post spazzy shit in chat.

Probably a better idea if you're at a high enough level where you can pretend to be native.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740295
It's 4chan, pretty sure we're all tired of having 1 sided discussions that lead nowhere
>>19740297
Right, wrong choice of words my bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740311
you dont need to know japanese to sort it, its something you click in anki that resorts all the cards based on their proper frequency index. iirc there's the nukemarine index and then the core/iknow index which is the one you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740298
the casualness of the speech may be a bigger barrier to entry but is probably not "harmful"
the bigger factor in my mind is that there's a lot of downtime where you're not actually using the language which is less efficient than just reading, or if you think you're at the stage that you should be chatting, just chatting
and then there's the possibility that you're just talking in english like the guy who posted about it in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

Anons of DJT come closer

[Anonymous No.]

what do you want?

[Anonymous No.]

*comes closer*

[Anonymous No.]

なになに

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740324
spent 15 minutes attempting to find out what you were talking about, but it turns out the core 2k/6k deck didn't have the sort option you talked about. it's in the core10k deck though so thanks. i already started reading and this index seems much more useful than nuke's.

[Anonymous No.]

Is jintai reading?

[Anonymous No.]

Do your reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740428
yeah i think what you do is sort the cards in the browser by the index number, then you select all cards in the browser and click reschedule

[Anonymous No.]

Might be a longshot but I met some Australian sperg in Sapporo in April last year and he seemed like the type to go on here. Ring any bells?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740469
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740482
>longshot
Your target is below the horizon.

[Anonymous No.]

Once you know the hiragana, katakana, kanji, grammar rules, particles, and idioms, you can finally start the impossible task of learning japanese. Wtf did I get myself into.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740511
imagine if you started learning japanese from the beginning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740511
>Once you learn the language you can start learning the language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740511
finally you can start building your 50,000 word vocabulary necessary to read a book on the same level as a japanese person

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740532
At least it's comforting to consider how that number is bloated by word and kanji combinations that have intuitive meanings and/or readings.

[Anonymous No.]

So anon. The one who slacked studying Kana for a class yesterday, how'd that go for you?

[Anonymous No.]

if you haven't memorized dictionaries you're setting yourself up to fail

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740511
It's easier if you learn ancient chinese first, it's like learning latin before romance languages, helps a ton.

[Anonymous No.]

anki is my dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740559
i hope you're ready to put thousands of hours into learning to write individual oracle bone script and seal script characters before you even think about studying how they were used

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740550
I got a 70% on it. Mixed up a couple but overall not bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740288
use anon core 5k if you're gonna stick to the first few hundred, but do the full first thousand

alternatively use this deck someone just made yesterday >>19731737

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740292
I learn more words playing RPGs than I learn from VNs and Anki combined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740156
My goals are to just get to the point where I can read without trying to infer from context. I've been trying to read a bit and I can recognize words and I try to piece together bits and pieces to try to understand what it means but I'm not actually understanding it.
It's a little hard to explain but an example is that I can read only the words in a sentence without understanding the particles and I just take the nouns and verbs and try to figure out how the words fit together, rather than just reading naturally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740662
wtf is up with all these blank fields

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740706
probably just how it's structured, it was apparently made from a heavily edited computer generated frequency list

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740706
>>19740708

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738522
https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/2102/

[Anonymous No.]

If I hypothetically needed to know all the Katakana in the next 4 hours what should I do? Just hypothetically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740740
use this for 4 hours straight https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/kana.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740740
oh look another slacker
get cramming >>19740747

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740740
use this pic some anon posted for 4 hours straight

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740747
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738522
It's their way of saying "about".

[Anonymous No.]

Which one do I use?
なに vs なんだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740786
nani yatteno, omae?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740786
dostedt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740798
Nani sore vs Nanda

[Anonymous No.]

do you think its a better use of time to watch 4 different anime series for 3 episodes each or one full 12 episode series

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740807
generally watching a few series simultaneously on 1.5x speed is the best, that way you get the most immersion while still being able to understand what's going on

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740807
Neither. Don't binge or watch too much. 3 Episodes max a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740802
何、それ？ isn't grammatically correct it's colloquial/slang. Read a grammar guide before you embarrass yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

What does 和館 mean? According to Wikipedia, wakan is "a Japanese word used to describe historical Japanese settlements and missions in foreign countries." Weblio specifies that this is about Korean missions in particular. But in the example sentences, it seems to simply mean "Japanese-style house".

This book I'm reading uses a lot of Meiji-era language and orthography. The 和館 in question is very western-styled, so that doesn't seem to make sense, but there's also no other indication that they're outside of Japan. Could it simply mean "house in Japan"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740822
Can only infer but 和 is like "Japanese style" rather than just Japanese so it could be a Japanese-style-architecture building.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740802
だ is just a rougher way to ask

you can say 何それ or you can say 何だそれ take your pick

[Anonymous No.]

How hard would it be to jump into dragon quest ix? it has furrygana

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740822
Post the sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

Which one makes more sense, if any of them do at all?:

>みかを見ることは僕を嬉しいになるんだよ。

>みかを見ることは僕幸せにならせるだよ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740807
well i about offed myself watching just 4 episodes of karakai jouzu no takagi today even though i planned on watching all of it so i'd recommend watching several different shows a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740877
both are broken

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740882
I assume you can tell what I'm trying to say, though. What would be a correct way to say it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740889
中出しの喜び

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740857
I'm curious about this too actually. DQIX and Zelda Phantom Hourglass both have furigana. Are they good?

[Anonymous No.]

how do i tell where words start and end

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740889
僕はみかを見ると幸せだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740880
>>19740819
you'll never learn nihongo if you don't have the heart of steel required to binge all of monogatari + the fukuonsei in under 24 hours

>>19740889
みかを見ていると嬉しくなる
that's a simple way to put it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740900
>>19740902
Thanks.
What kind of usage of と is that, though?

>>19740893
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740863
The sentence is just setting establishment:
>時は明治二十年　ここは山の手のとある伯爵家の和館
>>19740831
Would that be a separate matter from having a western aesthetic? As in, there are western doors, windows, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740898
thequickbrownfoxjumpsoverthelazydogreadmoreandkanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740898
pattern recognition.
Alternatively, the reason there aren't spaces is partly because no one would be quite sure where to dictate the beginnings and endings of words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740931
yea but i'm used to english and a lot of japanese is just kana and okurigana and sometimes i can see like 2 or 3 different possible ways to split it all up because i'm new.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740948
This guy is kidding right? ifitypelikethiscanyoutell???

[Anonymous No.]

>decide to learn japanese
>read the first few pages of genki
>get bored
>open up a manga/ln/newspaper/w.e.
>>wtf why cant i read this
>make post online about where words end
I imagine that's about how it goes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740898
>>19740936
To expand on this, the beginning and ending of a word is just a matter of consensus, even in English. Today used to be spelled "to day", for instance.

Is お part of お代 or is it a separate word? Is 本末転倒 one word or two (or four)? What about something like 見つかってしまった? What about polite constructions like お習いになる?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740942
if you only see two or three ways you've already made progress, your guess accuracy will continue to rise

[Anonymous No.]

yep, now THIS is where you actually learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740984
you forgot the endgame
>this is too hard maybe it will be easy if i memorize 2k/3k/6k/10k words before i try to read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740898
For a sentence with n characters, separate the sentence in to each 2^(n-1) ways the sentence can be split into words. Then use a dictionary to check which all sentences consist entirely of words and throw away the ones that don't. As you get better, you can use the dictionary you've memorized in your head. If you have any Japanese DNA in you, then your head will be able to check all possibilities in parallel. If not, then you will have to do it one at a time. After that, use context to narrow it down to the best solution (there shouldn't be many possibilities remaining at this point).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735240
LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740898
guess
at some point you'll get good and it won't be guessing anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>19735709
this guy is fucking with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741049
it's not cool making fun of someone like that man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19736315
you'll do fine at that level

[Anonymous No.]

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10011589141000/k10011589141000.html

This shit is news-worthy in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741113
it's advertising

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741121
Practice is practice, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740916
Pretty sure it's just a japanese style mansion. Context gives you a city, year and who lives there so it's probably referring to the building itself. I'd say it's the same usage as 洋館. The specific architecture is something you'd have to read up on to understand.

[Anonymous No.]

want to start watching unsubbed anime, should i rewatch a series i'm familiar with or watch something new that i've never seen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741214
something youve already seen

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741214
i must preface this with the fact that i'm still shit at listening, but personally when i tried watching series i had seen before even years ago, i couldn't help but slack on the listening while i recalled what was going on from memory

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741214
Watch Katanagatari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741254
i've already tried reading monogatari and got instant killed plus someone spoiled the ending for me and it was a huge turnoff

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741257
if you actually watch bakemonogatari 90 of it is just normal conversation, it's not difficult at all

[Anonymous No.]

i will defeat you kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741214
Something you've seen already. I don't think I could stand watching something new and having no idea what is going on. I'd also recommend something with Japanese subtitles. I don't have them playing on the video, but I have the file open in Firefox so I look up words if I want to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741274
the dialogue is a bit more wordy than most cartoons which will make it hell for a beginner with no vocab

katanagatari is likely even harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741274
i'd certainly be down to rewatch it at some point but as >>19741294 said it'd be tough for a first try at going for no subs. like, a step or two below tatami galaxy. ill probably just watch either an SoL show or rewatch some shonen anime like jojo.

thanks for the input boys i appreciate every one of you and love you a whole lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741303
ドラえもん is pretty easy. it's pretty good for a kid show too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740428
>core10k
Try the AJATT method instead. Learning cards without any context is a waste of time and energy.I don't do vocab cards, but I delete a sentence card if it feels useless, like if it has a new word in it that's uncommon enough that I never see it or see the kanji used in the new word. I also will delete it if I don't truly understand the meaning of what I'm studying, for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741003
That’s the early game. End game is deciding if transferring to Japan is a good idea or not. And if teaching English is too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741341
i think only the true dekinai make it that far, most quit after finishing some portion of core and realizing it didn't do anything for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741351
wanting to go to japan is dekinai stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741320
The point of a flashcard is to learn the reading and the basic meaning which vocab cards accomplish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741359
no wanting to go to japan is perfectly fine
thinking that going to japan will fix the fact that you suck at learning japanese is dekinai stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741383
oh i can get behind that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741361
vocab cards are for writing kanji.
sentence cards are for grammatical usage and meanings in different contexts.

[Anonymous No.]

yoshi time for reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741449
vocab cards are for reading words written in kanji so that you can read more quickly
sentence cards are less effective at that in exchange for pretending to give the benefits of "usage" and "context" which you should get by reading more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741473
がんばるってことさまではつづきているってはじまろう

[Anonymous No.]

>抑えられなくなってきてしまった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741474
it's faster to drill more comprehensible sentences than to waste time reading material that consists of 95% of shit you don't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741493
if you don't understand 95% of it you're doing something wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741497
if you understand 95% youre beyond fluent congrats. if you understand only 5% of it you're doing something wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741521
beyond fluent seems like an overstatement but yes that is what i was saying, if you only understand 5% you're doing something wrong and drilling the same sentences over and over is not the way to fix that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741493
If you think flashcards are more important than reading and listening to native content, you will fail to learn Japanese. Even proper AJATT shills know that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741480
You dropped this:
>とおもう

[Anonymous No.]

https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741480
nani!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738694
Wait, what's happening? An anon asked about how to read 養 and it all just descends into madness?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738926
I'm still not used to the hour or so it takes me to add 50 new cards to my mined deck. It seems like a lot of hassle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741580
I hover over the word and push one button. It doesn't seem like a hassle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741568
some dude was arguing for a while that 養 did not actually contain 食
it was probably bait but he seemed angry

[Anonymous No.]

I hope I learn enough Japanese to never type things like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741596
when you make it you'll be writing
>tl note: i didn't translate this accurately

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741580
i think of it as active study time, considering you're actively looking up the word in a dictionary and reading the definitions and understanding the sentence more fully. an hour of study a day isn't a lot when you think about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741568
That was a thread from a few months ago. I think someone explained　養 as 羊+食 (which is correct) and someone went and started an incomprehensible fight about it being 良.

There have been funnier stupid conflicts in here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741591
actually is only contains the 良 part. the top part is not the same as in 食. learn kanji before posting this again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741622
you need more conviction to bait correctly

[Anonymous No.]

Is he saying that he'll consider it after 10 years pass, or when Luffy turns 10 years old? I'm leaning towards the latter since I've never seen 歳 used to represent a period of time, only age. But when I checked the VIZ translation it was translated as the former.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741610
I really love when radicals morph as they were combined. It gives me some form of pleasure when their stroke orders change as a result, the way it intermingles, it's almost like art. It's just like ASMR.

The way the lines of 戈 combines and 'invades' the space of other radicals (eg 威) make it my particular favourite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741622
my uncle is heisig and he says your full of shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741603
I believe it was Socrates (or Plato using his Socrates sockpuppet) who said he's smarter than the generals because he knows he doesn't know shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741635
i find it aesthetically pleasing but i hate 戈 because i'm even worse at writing it than most components
and i'm shit at writing everything
i would say the top of 糸 is what i'm worst at though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741661
and now he's dead. guess evolution is working.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741657
my cool gen z niece also said he's full of shit, albeit in extremely confusing memes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741661
that's half of what i was saying
the other half is that understanding something doesn't mean you can translate it accurately and naturally so sometimes you have to give up, especially if you're not a writer in the target language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741664
socrates literally refused to escape execution with a young pupil of his because he believes in the immortality of souls lmao what a soup

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741670
the original image that brought this conversation back up already had a source for this
it was a japanese source because the original guy stated that english-japanese dictionaries are incorrect

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741676
i mean in a sense he's right since time doesn't actually exist
notice how i said he's instead of he was

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741676
he probably just lied to his pupil so they'd feel better and fuck off because it would have been super depressing for your master to say actually he doesn't like living

[Anonymous No.]

I'm having trouble with that line in the top left.
>俺の方が稼ぎが上だろう?!
There honestly isn't much more context than this page. Is he saying his earnings are the highest (between the two of them)? Is he saying that his earnings are what's most important to him? It's not a super important line, but it'd make me really happy if some brave anon helped me with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741680

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741691
he's saying he probably/surely has a higher income and is seeking a straightforward response to the fact that he is asserting so
i didn't open the image or anything btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741694
>部
seriously? you're going to expect others to believe that? no this isn't right either. the two leaf things at the top are not connected in this kanji. stop trying to mislead others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741553
didn't read it all, but that's how a beginner grammar guide should be. why isn't this in the op?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741694
your reading comprehension seems to be really shit because i'm not disagreeing with you
>>19741720
you already fucked up dude if you want to bait again you need to post in uppercase, that'll really trick some people

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741729
Someone posted it in the feedback link (not me) but apparently they haven't gotten around to converting it yet like they did for Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741734
>i'm not disagreeing with you
He's just proving your right by actually posting the Japanese source.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741729
>why isn't this in the op?
anything that would improve the op must be strictly opposed
some do it to keep djt as the shithole it's always been
some do it out of good intentions and pure incompetence

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741742
my point was that a japanese source is in the image posted 9 hours ago so forgive me for misunderstanding

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to make a longer conjugation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741757
they say that the sky is the limit but no one has ever become fluent in japanese so try asking a native

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741757
食べさせられたくなっちゃったと思う

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741741
i hope it goes through. does need more examples for each grammar point though. but this is the perfect no bullshit straight to the point grammar guide that's been missing in the djt guide.

>>19741746
must be those eternal dekinais ive heard so much about

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741783
someday we can never recommend tae kim again
read that guide and then reference with dojg
now what about core

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741790
>>19740662

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741757
can't you just chain たいs
たべたくなりたくなりたくなかったりたくなかった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741796
it's hard for it to not be an improvement but we really need to stop making decks with more than 1k words
gotta take that leap eventually

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741790
i never liked the core deck, so i think it should go. but, I think the guide should recommend studying radicals, then learning kanji through vocab. we could take parts of core for a kanji-vocab deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741790
Even the ways we procrastinate from actual studying is improving!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741781
>と思う
i can't figure out what this means

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741810
i agree in spirit
you could open it up in a spreadsheet and delete everything past whatever your favorite common-but-not-top-500-common word is

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741810
>>19741838
oh i just realized this might be confusing
the deck he just made is like 1250 cards, not 5000, that's something else

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741829
any change that recommends spending less time not reading is an improvement

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741847
yeah, that's what my post said. We've improved our methods of procrastination! Progress.

[Anonymous No.]

>hai wakarimashita
Can somebody translate this for me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741634
Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741634
The あと part certainly makes me think 'after'.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just sight seeing and was wondering how do people actually take these tests?, are they administered by a website or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741875
hi, my name is wakari (lit: my name was wakari, it's a colloquial thing)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741875
sure thing dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741891
isn't the verb here とる? lit. "after you take at least 10 years" so i'm thinking he saying "about ten years from now i'll think about it"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741900
Thank you. I have a test tomorrow and know this is going to be on it.

[Anonymous No.]

To the gay librarians of the DJT novel section

where's NL?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741634
歳 as a counter is years of age (but could be relative as in 彼はｘ歳年下), 年取った is something like became old, your guess is right, translations are shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741917
are you some kind of creep

[Anonymous No.]

What's up anons.
On top of my daily japanese studying, I'm thinking of trying AJAT. If I were to watch J-Dramas or anime with no subs, should I stop to look up words I don't know, or should I just immerse myself into the show and just listen and catch what I do know?

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741935
After googling stuff like "1歳年をとる" and "2歳年をとる" , I'm thinking the VIZ translation is actually correct but I'm still confused on why 歳 is being used as an indicator of a period of time instead of age. I know there are other ways of reading 歳 but, the furigana specifies that it's さい.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741904
you are completely right

[Anonymous No.]

what LN do I start with

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742020
Harry Potter. Yes, seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740908
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/conditionals

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742024
I should try this. Sounds like a good idea. It’s popular, fantasy, long, and what else? Whatever. It’s probably fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>Not only Doraemon, but other Fujiko F. Fujio's works like パーマン, 21エモン, バケルくん and 忍者ハットリくん is in the DJT library
fuuuck

Time to revisit my childhood, but this time in a language I barely understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741900
Wakari is a cute name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742037
Also I think there's an audiobook version of at least the first volume.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742040
I wonder how do Japanese children deal with reading things they can’t understand yet. Do they also carry a dictionary to look up kanji and such? Surely furigana isn’t enough to catch them all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741984
daijirin does say さい can count 年数 but it seems odd to me to use ～歳年(を)取る without implying that age is relevant

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742052
When I was little and reading things I can't understand yet, or even things I can't actually read yet, I ask my parents for help. I have very patient parents and I love them. Too good for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742052
children are forced through 12 years of school while being surrounded by people who they can ask questions to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741984
counter changes depending on the verb
年(as year)が一年過ぎる
年(as age)を一歳（さい）とる

cf

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742052
if they probably ask their parents or siblings, if you have furigana it's not very different than in any other language and if it's ambiguous you can show someone just like you would if you mispronounced it and they couldn't understand you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740662
It's simple to search for sentences+audio (and even a screenshot from the show) for this 1250-word VN deck using my sentence bank but I don't know if it's worth it, plus I'm lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742120
if your japanese isn't good enough to make accurate translations then please don't bother
not even about there being translations but like picking out actually good example sentences from anything is hard enough

[Anonymous No.]

How do I tell if I'm good enough to move to a J-J definition for my vocab decks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742126
That's a worry I had as well. Ain't worth it I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742131
if you're good enough you wouldn't be asking this question

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742131
if you're asking this question, then it's time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742131
I could just try it on these ~50 words I haven't added into anki yet, what am I thinking? god I'm an idiot

>>19742137
one day, if I keep practicing and 'learning', these constant self-doubts about my own skills will disappear?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742146
>one day, if I keep practicing and 'learning', these constant self-doubts about my own skills will disappear?
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742149
y-you sure? i found that these past year i'm just extending my doubts to more and more concepts instead of being more sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742165
you'll probably dunning-kruger eventually and if you ever come back from that no one can say

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742173
>dunning-kruger eventually
I think I want to avoid being this kind of asshole and so I just forced myself to doubt everything

not sure if asshole is the right word

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742188
depends on if your definition of assholes allows for good intentions
hypothetically if you get really good in a decade you might be able to be rightfully confident about some things but i have yet to see evidence that anyone has made it that far
but we'll ganbare together

[Anonymous No.]

>study Japanese for 6 months
>finally starting to get the hang of listening
>go out to eat at a mexican restaurant with some bros
>overhear lots of Spanish
>suddenly Spanish sounds really fucking slow because I'm used to listening to Japanese

Should I just learn Spanish on the side while doing Japanese? I could probably Anki like 50 words/grammars a day since I wouldn't have to fuck with Kanji, probably be the equivalent of "N2" 3 months in because Spanish is supposedly super easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742252
>asking others what you want to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742252
just learn spanish instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741968
I mostly just watch. If there is something I want to know, then I look it up. When a character hears a line and they act really shocked or surprised, I will usually look it up because it seems important.

>>19742252
Maybe you should wait until you learn one language before you move onto another. Even if you could do 50 Spanish words per day, you are better off spending that time on Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

I think using music is a good way to improve your listening. Post some songs you're learning.
A few weeks ago an anon posted 銀杏BOYZ and I've been listening to them a lot since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ8_42whnqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAKzEi3WVpY
フレデリク is good too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCp2iXA1uLE

[Anonymous No.]

>>19739777
いいからはやく事務所にいきなさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742367
i only listen to battle music while doing reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740118
Anything not isekai, imouto and cringy school drama is always a good start. How do you even categorize Nishio Ishin and Narita Ryogo's crap at this point? Nishio stuff has wide variety of genre, from mystery, psychological, sf fantasy, self insert and lipogram; meanwhile Narita Ryogo is more towards gunsougeki.
If anything, I put their works on the pulp genre, rather than LN.

[Anonymous No.]

it's frustrating

My only goal for learning Japanese is reading the mystery novels, since I grew up on a steady diet of Conan and Kindaichi but they are still above my comprehension level. I've consumed most of translated Conan and Kindaichi volumes so redoing those in Japanese doesn't appeal since I might just trick myself into thinking I actually understood them when I just recalled their solutions.

anyway, just have to get through this. 有栖川 有栖 novels will always be there

[Anonymous No.]

Sometimes I'll accidentally say 見てない when I mean 見なくて.
Does 見てない even mean anything? I feel like it would be something along the lines of "Look at nothing".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742428
it means 見ていない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742424
Don't give up. Sherlock Holmes novels are way better in the original Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742431
So "not looking"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742437
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742428
>見てない

もある

>見てなくて

もある

>見えない

もよくつかうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742435
Ah, Doyle-san and his influence, 江戸川 乱歩-san, writer of such thrilling works as 大鴉 and 幽霊

It hurts me in the soul that their beauty is still yet unavailable to me, hidden behind my own inability to read another language. Oh, how it aches, I am a cat ready to construct the very curiosity that will kill me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742424
>I might just trick myself into thinking I actually understood them when I just recalled their solutions.
This doesn't matter. You acquire language when you read comprehensible input. Having read it before in English makes it easier to comprehend, so you will learn a lot from rereading it in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742448
Try anon. I am too, like mystery and deduction stuff. The easiest thing to get into while learning is Nisio's mystery works and Bibila Koshodou. You can also try reading Mori Hiroshi's stuff after you are comfortable with your moonreading skill.

[Anonymous No.]

>Those who plan on doing Core2K before they start reading, however, should have ample time (~3 months) to get through it [imabi] before they finish that deck.
this "advice" should get purged from the resource list, it's a terrible idea

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742448
あたしもいっさつよもうかな

らんぽすぐよめるし

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742458
bold of you to assume i read it in english

but fine, i'll take your advice and download some 金田一 or コナン

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742458
Eventually I'll be able to play those mystery games, like those played in Game Center CX

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742475
Tell me if you find conan raws that don't look like shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742516
420 yen is not that expensive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742570
For how many volumes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742574
Only 94

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742570
コナンはたぶん

としょかんいけばよめるというか

まんきつでもよめるというか

さいあくおふろやさんでもよめるとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

What's the difference between the auxiliary はじめる and かかる? The sources I've found say they're both depicting that you start an action. I just want to finish my baby folktale story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742587
>going outside
>to read manga in a language I at most understand only 40%
Besides, I've already checked, no raw manga in libraries close to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742574
420y each. Please don't tell me you are actually want to start reading conan in Japanese from the first volume. That will take a lot of time and effort consuming repetitive stuff over and over again (this applies to Kindaichi Shonen too, and it is way worse than Conan). How about you start at least at volume 81 instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742596
>I just want to finish my baby folktale story.
Then do so. Don't worry about nuance until you can actually google japanese sources about that stuff yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742603
>That will take a lot of time and effort consuming repetitive stuff over and over again
Nice!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742603
>it is way worse than Conan
oh wow I can already remember the heated days I have with my brother over this Kindaichi vs. Conan thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742603
Manga isn't reading buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742602
にほんいけば？

にほんはあきぐち

いいかんじのきせつだよ

いまならほっかいどうとか

あおもりとか

あのへんがちょういいかんじ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742612
You have to get annoyed and bored at some point. I am a fan of mystery and deduction fictions but Kindaichi Shonen stuff are almost the same thing for every iteration. Amagi Seimaru is really a one trick/pattern mystery writer. You should just stick to Conan if you are so eager on reading 推理 fiction in moonspeak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742603
>Please don't tell me you are actually want to start reading conan in Japanese from the first volume
er

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742623
Come back when you are able to read at least 2 dozens of Kodansha novels and tell me that manga isn't reading. I am pretty much bored reading this exact same post in every djt thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742643
>I am pretty much bored reading this exact same post in every djt thread
4chan posts aren't reading buddy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742643
DJT is a constant whirlwind of repeating posts, has been since the first thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742618
And what's your verdict then?
Unironically I find Aoyama as a better mystery writer than Amagi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742656
The exact opposite conclusion to yours. Also unironically. Conan's mysteries felt too quick, while Kindaichi lets you percolate. Also apparently Kindaichi's is more 'fair', but god knows, i'm too dumb to try to solve them

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkvJOALpTx8&t=2m47s

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742468
if only Kindaichi has a light novel!

Which of Nisio's works is a mystery? I've tried Bakemonogatari anime and got turned right off. I'll try the Biblia as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742675
Zaregoto is "mystery"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742680
Ooh, I don't like those inverted commas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742684
It's a "mystery" in the exact opposite way that Umineko is a "mystery", if it helps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742668
How long have you not been reading Kindaichi now, anon?
Once, I too, have the same opinion as yours but as I dig deeper in Japanese mystery fictions, being lengthy doesn't always equal to quality. All Amagi has to offer in Kindaichi and its spin offs are "closed room murders that happened in an isolated area/island/building and Kindaichi and his gang were invited to the event prior coincidentally or intentionally" and "murders that happened in school or had anything related to school club and its members". Amagi won't actually go far beyond this cliche of his or if he does, the story will actually be solved in one or two chapters top.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742688
Ah, okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742675
Zaregoto is a psychological mystery.
Okitegami Kyoko is a narrative mystery.
Monogatari Monster Season has a Zaregoto-esque mystery vibes.

[Anonymous No.]

Monogatari is only a mystery when best girl Ougi is involved.

[Anonymous No.]

あたしはネウロがすきなんだけど

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742716
Not really. Ougi didn't appear in Monster Season, and it become a better mystery than Ougi Formula and Sodachi Riddle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742729
Ougimonogatari (Monster Season) will be the best mystery novel in the series, cap this post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742734
If you actually think the title will be anything related to the character, you are so wrong. Shinobumonogatari isn't about Shinobu at all and the same goes to Yoimonogatari that has barely anything to do with Mayoi by a huge scale. The story will literally go with the actual meaning of the word instead of making relation to the character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742643
manga isn't reading.
there you go now never reply to me again stupid esl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742766
>stupid esl
>manga isn't reading

[Anonymous No.]

is １枚のピザ a pizza or a slice of pizza?

[Anonymous No.]

why is the due date number like this? 1 million? i've seen these cards before

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742821
きってないピザはホールで

かぞえることになっているとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742825
That means they got removed for being too easy.

[Anonymous No.]

Im organic student. I think a part of that made me enjoy studying kanji and vocab so far. However is it okay that I know what some kanji means but not how to say it(right away) I feel like im falling to this mistake often

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742850
It’s even better to know what the kanji means and not how to read it. Master Heisig learned the same way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742831
ですが「１枚のピザ」を聞けばどう思えばいい？大きな丸っぽいピザ？細い三角のピザ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742850
>organic student
I'm your opposite, I'm entirely created by my "father", Dr. Dekinai, out of spare parts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742860
だからふふってわらって（イラっとして）

ホール？カット？ってききかえす

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742866
あぁやっと分かるありがとう

[Anonymous No.]

If I want to read Mori Hiroshi it ok if I start with this "W series" or am I supposed to read something else first?

Why is fiction such a clusterfuck of series and series within series?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740662
>alternatively use this deck someone just made yesterday
If you're going to recommend someone use mystery meat cooked up by a resident autistic, you may as well tell them to just mine vocabulary from things they struggle reading instead.
The whole "Core is crap, use this random shit instead" meme is one of the more cancerous things to have cropped up in these threads.
The reason why Core is recommended is because it's straight forward, reliable and simple enough for beginners to use without having to think about it while they continue with the actual learning process. I'd go out on a limb and say that 99% of anons trying to talk people out of Core or trying to promote random alternatives either really don't care about the intended beginner audience and have some sort of egotistical reason to have their dog in the fight or entirely fail to comprehend the point of the Core deck/s.
It's unfortunate that beginners get sucked into these threads because they are probably the worst possible thing for them since all they provide is distraction and misinformation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742877
Usually when it's Mori Hiroshi people recommend すべてがFになる. It's available in the Cornucopia, although the version in the DJT library is broken for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742914
have you actually looked at core with a critical eye in the past several months
it's missing shit tons of very important common words and frontloads a lot of adult life words (like business terms)
it's extremely Not Fucking Good

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742837
so i can't review them anymore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742930
Anki was like, "yo bro, you're too smart"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742918
The one on netlify is retail, works perfect for me.

I guess I'll read this to see if I like his writing. My main doubt was whether or not I would be able to make sense of anything if I jumped in with the first book of his latest series, since it looks like he's been churning them out fast ever since すべてがFになる and the newer ones seem well received and have an interesting premise. If I can it'd be nice to get to reading them right away instead of going through dozens of other books first.

[Anonymous No.]

fucking rotated photos

[Anonymous No.]

ぶきみさをだすのがうまいなあとおもいました
https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001779/files/57108_60897.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>19741691
he's saying that he is the higher earner of the two of them so the woman should shut up about whatever they are arguing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742914
Core is crap dude, eat THIS crap instead.

[Anonymous No.]

How did you learn japanese onomatopoeia?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19743411
it's impossible, the only way is to absorb them up slowly over the course of several decades reading and eating nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>渋い
>刳い

[Anonymous No.]

>>19743411
ぎおん

かきとれないし

どうするの

[Anonymous No.]

>>19743411
I didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742861
lol

[Anonymous No.]

1000 words is too much to study out of context. you guys need a 500 word deck custom made to have the most useful words

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744242
"the most useful words" is both dependent on other factors and probably not worth wasting time on deciding
i agree that 500 is a better number though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744242
We need a top-500 doujinshi deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744299
words like
he
she
me/i
you
where
here
there
this
that
which
how
why
when

like with a list as small as 500 you can get the really basic shit in that will help you out a lot. core2k teaches you shit like politics and economy since its based off newspapers and most people want to start reading manga and not newspapers

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742877
I just bought γの悲劇 without knowing that it is the third book of his G series. I don't know how to feel and react right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744242
I've been saying this for years but now I think even 500 is too much. 200 or 300 is probably fine.

>>19744299
>>19744318 is correct, at that level of frequency (sub-500), no matter what you're reading it's going to have those words in it because those words make up like 80% of the language as a whole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19743028
>The one on netlify
What do you mean, where could I find this?

[Anonymous No.]

Someone please post the vn chart based on vn stats.

[Anonymous No.]

this???

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744508
Thanks, but that is not what I am looking for.

There were visual novels split into different columns by perceived difficulty based on some complexity variable from vnstats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744531
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats
This?

[Anonymous No.]

what's the best source for what kind of grammar points one may encounter in JLPT N5 material?

PS I don't want to take the test, I've just begun learning Jap and want to get familiar with the easier grammar this way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744660
probably an n5 grammar book. also, any beginner textbook or grammar guide will cover n5 material

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744660
just go through tae kim or genki 1&2

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744660
if you know nothing read this
https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/
for reference use
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/dojg.html
and if that fails you
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/
just to answer your other question, i believe there is no official list of anything in jlpt, just what lists other people have made
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/JLPT_Guide/JLPT_N5_Grammar
you should ignore it and use the first link, then read and look up what you run into

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744715
>>19744713
I just want a list of grammar points, I don't even need the explanations like Tae Kim does - it's hard to tell whether stuff is N5 or not in his guide for a newcomer like me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744735
then download minna no nihongo and look at the outline pages in the back where it just lists the grammar points with example sentences. there is no english in that book

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744735
You should care more about learning Japanese than about N5

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744732
>just to answer your other question, i believe there is no official list of anything in jlpt, just what lists other people have made
oh that answers my question, thanks! I guess what I was looking for was really the most comprehensive list made by a 3-rd party

this is best I've found I guess:
https://japanesetest4you.com/jlpt-n5-grammar-list/
but I'll read the guide from your first link

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744735
just go through it in order dude
other anon posted a list https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/JLPT_Guide/JLPT_N5_Grammar
but it's idiotic, tae kim stuff is all so basic you should learn all of it anyways, don't obsess about N5 level

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744744
desu I'm not green, I went through Tae Kim but had a break and want to try another approach and wanted to check a list of grammar terms in N5 just to cure itch in my autism
I do some autistic inefficient shit with Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744755
>desu
sorry for that, it's either some filter or I wrote it accidently, nevertheless I hate people who throw that shit around

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744760
>being this new

[Anonymous No.]

desu is better than desu desu
There's nothing wrong with desu desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744755
There's no real secret way to get good, just fill as much of your time up with things that help you git gud. If you do the same thing too much you'll get bored and stop learning so try to mix it up. Learning a language takes a lot of practice and won't be over night or even in a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744775
であります or nothing, you wouldn't want to look uncultured would you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740752
I lowkey forgot most of katakana since all i've been focusing on was kanji and hiragana. I'll brush up on it again when I need to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744799
>not でござる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19734963
Woah
i thought DJT was gone for good for like a day and a half
Remember to make a proper OP next time!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744760
fresh of the boat uh

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744760
this explains why you have a redditor mindset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744810
unless it's been 6 months since you learned them, reading is probably sufficient exposure even for katakana
looking up what you're unsure of is slower than a card or app, but actual reading solidifies the knowledge better than drilling

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744760
I knew you were not from here since your first post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19742914
my route of learning Japanese is better than yours.

[Anonymous No.]

what grammar guide covers more: Genki 1+2 or Tae Kim?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744863
Hiragana is basically imprinted in my brain thanks to TK so I do believe exposure is all I need.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744885
Tae Kim

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744889
that's kind of sad

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744949
if you fail N5 twice you should really just quit and never look back

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744949
>i don't understand. i went to class and printed study materials, so why won't the japanese come to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744949
This is what happens when you are always kind to everyone. I bet all the replies calling him retarded must have been downvoted and deleted

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744949

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744979
>>19744959
don't worry he just needs that magical starter material that has escaped his grasp until now. we're gonna load him up with the best apps and hiragana games and he's gonna ace it this time

[Anonymous No.]

Matt

[Anonymous No.]

How come there's this space between the two characters? Never seen it before. Is it unique to this word?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745128
That's because of the furigana m8

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745136
So the furigana fits above the word on the web page? Oh i get it lel

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just about to start learning and have gone through the guide, but something I didn't see any mention of was Imabi. Is that actually a good resource, or is it just a meme I saw a while back? Searching "Imabi" in the past few threads didn't turn anything up, either.

Also, is Genki worth going through, if nothing but for the listening practice? I get the impression that Tae Kim covers more, but is it as well-rounded for a true starting point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744904
Genki is geared towards teaching you basic production to get by as a homestay student. Tae Kim covers more material, but in a much more concise way because he isn't trying to get you to use drills to try to actually use this stuff in speech. And his materials are organized much better, for instance putting all conditionals together in one section whereas genki spreads out different conditionals across the chapters because teaching students to try to drill them all at once would be too much of a hassle I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745223
imabi is virtually unreadable because the guy who made it is bad at writing comprehensible english
it's only useful for the most advanced parts, when you already know basic japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745223
Use Tae Kim + Japanese the Manga Way + Yotsubato or flying witch vol 1. Genki is a time sink that traps beginners and keeps them thinking they are learning japanese while actually being exposed to very little native content. I have no idea about imabi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745223
>Also, is Genki worth going through, if nothing but for the listening practice?
No, don't get any "artificial" listening practice. Just go read a VN

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745252
you're not wrong about artificial listening practice but vns aren't listening
i think the appropriate meme here is 10000 hours of anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745223
the audio recordings in genki are artificially slow. genki is really geared towards classroom work, but you can still learn from the example sentences it gives. some people don't like how it teaches the polite form of stuff before the casual form but it's all extremely basic stuff that it doesn't matter what order you learn it in imo. i started with genki and ended up just fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745231
>>19745224
>>19745227
>>19745252
I was just concerned, since I've seen actual linguists kind of shit on Kim for saying things in the guide that are outright false and for refusing to edit the guide at all, despite the issues being known for years now. I don't doubt that the bulk of the lessons are still perfectly fine, but I got the impression that Kim just kind of gave up.

I definitely don't mind passing on Genki, but are there any good listening resources for beginners? I know that I'm going to want to quickly transition to native media, but even though I know all the homophones tend to have different stresses/pitches to help differentiate themselves, they kind of intimidate me. At this point, I don't know what's just slacker talk, and what's a real, founded concern.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745288
>are there any good listening resources for beginners?
Subtitled anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745288
if by "actual linguists" you mean people at college/university shitting on things on reddit because they have nothing better to write about, ignore them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745252
>>19745266
>>19745270
>>19745288
The speech in the genki audio recordings, while scripted, is still naturalistic Japanese and gives examples of a variety of common situations. And once you get past whatever chapter they teach short form in (7 or 8) there is also casual speech. All listening input is good input, so the person asking should probably check it out for themselves and determine whether or not they want to use it. It's good to have variety, like listening to anime drama cds and nonfiction podcasts and watching variety shows and watching samurai movies. It's all the same language, don't limit yourself but seek out enjoyable content.

As for the TK stuff, none of it is relevant enough to cripple your learning. He still has a great, compact resource

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745300
Well, I might be giving them too much credit, but I just looked up the thread that I had seen a while ago. This was the gist of the main argument:

>Explanation: Tae Kim, the author of the blog post, mistakenly believes that the statement “Japanese word order is subject-object-verb” means that every Japanese sentence must have all those constituents, and that they must appear in that exact order. Since this is obviously false, he thinks the experts must all be idiots for not noticing that. In reality, he just doesn’t understand that it simply means that subject-object-verb is the default order of those constituents if they appear at all, even after this has been explained to him in the comments.

>This misunderstanding about word order typology also causes him to make some shockingly wrong claims about English:

>>An English sentence must consist of at least a subject, verb, and object in that order.

Obviously, I don't know dick about Japanese, but I know bad English when I see it. Being bad at English doesn't preclude you from being a solid Japanese teacher, but seeing stuff like that just made me wary of other possible shortcomings.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is absolute fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.]

https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745324
tell me the username of the person who posted that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745324
autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745335
TomSFox on Reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745324
in tae kim's defense, you shouldn't memorize what beginner resources say, you just get the gist of some of the basics and then read japanese
my problem with tae kim is that it's not short enough, boiro is better for reading once and moving on

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745266
>>19745298
how are VNs not listening yet subtitled anime is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745288
you should unironically listen to anime for beginning listening practice. the voice actors are speaking into high quality microphones and pronounce everything very clearly while talking slow (but not genki slow) and depending on the series it's not boring shit like mary knitting a sweater for takeshi genki drama

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745351
subtitled anime isn't listening
not all memes are equally true

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745324
>Tae Kim, the author of the blog post, mistakenly believes that the statement “Japanese word order is subject-object-verb” means that every Japanese sentence must have all those constituents
He literally says the only thing necessary is a verb though. Ignore that retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745351
When the fuck did I say anything about VNs? Don't talk to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745344
okay
1) they are not an "actual linguist"
2) they post to fucking /r/The_Donald now, unironically spewing paranoid white nationalist garbage
3) anything you see posted on /r/badlinguistics should be basically ignored unless it's SPECIFICALLY about historical linguistics or dialectology

[Anonymous No.]

The best listening practice is Terrace House. Watch it once with english or japanese subtitles, then watch it raw a second time.

[Anonymous No.]

today will be the day

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745360
Yeah, the moment you asked about his username, I started doing my own digging and found some shit. Guess I'm just gullible.

Anyway, thanks for the help, anons. I'll push through with Tae Kim for the time being.

>>19745370
That's one of the first few things I tried watching with Japanese subs, but everyone seemed to be talking a mile a minute. I'm sure it's about the same as any other native English show, but it did make me feel well out of my depth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19744755
>just to cure itch in my autism
There is no official list of N5 vocab/grammar. If you find a list it is just what somebody thinks would on N5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745379
Seriously give Japanese the manga way a try, it's underrated on this thread for beginners, but I think it's a bit better than tae kim because it puts you up against native content immediately and is less content/semantics dense so it's less intimidating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745371
let's not get ahead of ourselves, there's always tomorrow

[Anonymous No.]

競争
戦争
抗争
当選
選抜
選択
戦陣
作戦

mixing these up endlessly is what happens when you don't do RTK
if you're new do RTK, don't end up like me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745436
why wait till tomorrow when you can do it today

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745379
>I'll push through with Tae Kim for the time being.
You really only need to read through it once or twice (or you can skip it), no need to mine it or anything. You can always refer back to the DOJG reference in the guide while reading. Most of the time yomichan will tell you what a grammar term means too. subs2srs on your favorite episode of anime and just going through your favorite scene looking for i+1 stuff is a good easy way to start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745442
should have learned kanji with vocab

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745446
you could do it today but will you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745442
if you do rtk you're going to be sad when you realize it doesn't fix your problem and the only solution was to power through it

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745453
>You can always refer back to the DOJG reference in the guide while reading
Don't do this unless you want to fuck up your grammar. You should acquire grammar through mass exposure, avoid English resources at all costs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745515
as long as you completely ignore all of the explanations, usage notes, and construction notes it gives, dojg should be fine, just like asking someone japanese "hey what does X pattern mean?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745515
>ignore dojg at all costs
ignore this poster at all costs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745529
Enjoy your crippled Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>implying a dictionary can be detrimental in any way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745542
when it's J->E, yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745563
lol
You don't know japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745566
And you will never know Japanese, because you've reinforced too many unnatural English associations with your base of grammar

[Anonymous No.]

mass exposure will fix all comprehension issues. any misunderstanding will be corrected given enough examples

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745457
that's what I have in my cards and i've gotten most of them to 6+ months then I 競争 shows up and I answer せんきょ
i forgot the worst one which is 選挙 because that's what messes up the せん and きょ when せん　きょう　そう are the recurring sounds in so many words related to selection and battle, which is a selection of who wins

by now I remember the ones which don't recur like 作戦　戦陣　抗争 and you know, all of them to the point where I remember they exist so I can write them out with an IME. Fuck me if I need to guess whether what I see is せんたく　or せんばつ, I fail one, learn it over the next month so it goes to 3month+ then the other one shows up in my reviews and then I learn that one and forget the other and it just keeps repeating, would be helpful if I knew other words with ばつ as reading for 抜, who'da thunk that was the same kanji as in くぐり抜ける, just noticed
at least you can guess 段階 and 階段 out of context everywhere except anki, but I think I'll remember them the next time because I'll remember だん from 段落
I'll probably be an eternal dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745582
don't talk about things you don't understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745586
There are plenty of examples of that not being true. The only reliable way to fix basic mistakes is to never learn them in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745596
Nice examples you provided

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745535
http://www.j-cat.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745606
You know what examples I'm referring to, I won't bother shitting up the thread by bringing them up though. If you can learn a language from the beginning without ingraining these jarring mistakes that can't be reliably fixed then there's no reason not to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745596
You seem like you know what you're talking about. Can I ask some questions? I want a role model.
Of course I'm really autistic so it's going to sound a little weird.
Uh, so yeah if it's weird sorry.

Really!
Even if I try to reword this to be less weird it'll still probably be weird so I'm just going to ask.

1) What's your comprehension level in terms of JLPT numbers?
2) How long have you been studying Japanese?
3) As a learner, what are or were your biggest troubles?
4) Can you write something in Japanese so I can frame it on my wall?
5) Keeping comprehension and production aside, can you think in Japanese? If yes, how did it feel when it first happened?
6) Overall, what's the most important thing in learning Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745563
Beginners have no choice but to use J->E.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745626
good questions

1) i don't study for tests
2) long enough to be fluent
3) i don't have any
4) i don't do output because it will cripple my japanese
5) yes. it felt great
6) don't cripple your japanese

[Anonymous No.]

is he right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745677
tldr

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745660
YOU RE WHACKO

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745324
tae kim and his friend posted in that thread and basically shit on all of them. the "badX" subreddits are full of college kids who don't really know what they're talking about, and think too highly of themselves and whatever (usually non-scientific) field they're studying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745677
I ain't reading all that shit. Post ending in 8 decides what I read next.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745694
素晴らしき日々

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745694
機械仕掛けのイヴ

[Anonymous No.]

question, how do i find something to listen to all the time. matt says he listens to audio tracks from anime he watched on repeat all day but that's suicidefuel tier, I'd listen to talk show radio all day long but listening to the 3 hours for two days sounds horrible

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745360
>they post to fucking /r/The_Donald now, unironically spewing paranoid white nationalist garbage
his one redeeming quality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745223
I also started with Genki. Always went through the grammar points and then only did the exercises that had audio recordings. I would do it like that again if I had to start from scratch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745694
装甲悪鬼村正
神咒神威神楽
信天翁航海録
紅殻町博物誌
霞外籠逗留記
花散峪山人考

[Anonymous No.]

A Japanese girl messaged me on HelloTalk and we've been chatting for an hour. At which point do Japanese girls send nudes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745677
Yes. If you are a beginner japanese learner you should definitely listen to george over matt. Matts advice is better suited for once you get past the beginner stage

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745596
>The only reliable way to fix basic mistakes is to never learn them in the first place.
Too bad it's literally impossible to avoid learning basic mistakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745725
yea but the only correction you need to make with matt's advice is "everything he says to do after lazy kanji you can instead do during lazy kanji". bam, now his advice is way better than george's even for a beginner because george doesn't encourage input.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745724
You need to make the first step dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745706
I listen to audiobooks, talk radio and the audio of idol variety shows I watched before

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I get Terrace House with Japanese subs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745743
そうですか。じゃあ、おチンチンの写真を送る。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745706
Listening to anime audio in the background is fun, but I only do it a few hours per day, not 24/7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745757
On Netflix itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745757
don't use subs at all, that turns listening practice into reading practice and you'll permanently hurt your listening comprehension by relying on it

that said, they're available on the usual torrent sites but most seem to be dead and I don't really want to download anything from public trackers anyway, maybe someone has them on MEGA

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745760
えぇ
ちんぽが上手ですね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745771
I don't use the subs while watching, but I need them to figure shit out that I can't parse after ~20 attempts of listening

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745780
俺はちんぽマスタと言うだよ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745757
have you check the subs in jpsubbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745740
how about just don't waste time with lazy kanji at all and learn to read real japanese sentences

[Anonymous No.]

Being with the Japanese in the world of country as I have been getting a lot of practice and the other is a great place to learn about language or not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745712
based AND redpilled

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745757
i've tried to find complete jap subs for BGND but i can't. there are releases on nyaa that often have jap subs for most episodes in most seasons, but not all of them. season 1 has no subs for example.

[Anonymous No.]

What comfy Japanese game should I play for practice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745817
英語をできない-anon please stop using Google Translate just try to use Japanese if you can't speak english directly.

To answer your question - Yes. There is no better place in the world to learn Japanese than Japan itself. You could be fully immersed in the Language and get a fuckton more exposure than any of us can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745828
素晴らしき日々

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745762
webradio? There are some good and entertaining anime webradios. I recommend Sayonara Zetsubou Housou, Kurogane no Radio-barrel, Duraraji, and Kiitemasu yo Azazelsan if you like to giggle or just lol out listening to some stupid, funny and shimoneta 便り and talks completely irrelevant to the anime itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745829
>英語をできない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745828
>>19745837

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745828
>>19745845

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745837
I guess I should have specified that VNs are not games

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745852
final fantasy x

[Anonymous No.]

>言わん
what is that thing when you conjugate first as you would when changing to negative verbs but add ん right after?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745852
空の軌跡

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745858
just a contracted form of the negative, sounds more casual (and rude in some circumstances)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745828
Shin Megami Tensei is the comfiest game I have ever played. Try any title in the series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745858
Both ぬ (negative) and む (volitional) work that way.
言わん（ぬ）= 言わない
言わん（む）= 言おう (this is the 言わん in 言わんと etc)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745858
知らん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745490
probably yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745885
this is how you utterly confuse a beginner

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745828
Yakuza series, it's easy to understand casual language, lots of textboxes where you can pause to look up words, most characters are speak clearly, except some of the boss guys who hella slur and go korrRRRRa, i guess it's fair enough to rely on the jp subs there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745906
then get the fuck out of here before you change your mind
don't come back and remember to ganbare

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745908
I mean, there's no way to know what it actually is unless he posts the full sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745828
dragon quest 5

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745941
「だったら早く言わんか！　伝染ったらどうするのじゃ」

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745962

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745997
言わない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745843
Why did you quote my post anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746001

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746004
it's 英語ができない
not を

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746020
Both work.

[Anonymous No.]

it's actually 英語のできない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746034
google 英語をできない
it doesn't work

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746001
youre literally posting an example right now showing the exact opposite. also bianca best girl

[Anonymous No.]

英語出來ナイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745962
I actually wanted to do this. How hard is V in Japanese? I tried Chrono Trigger but fuck that was too hard.

[Anonymous No.]

play it safe and just omit particles
英語できない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746048
Both get over 111,000,000 hits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746061
jesus christ quote it what are you doing don't you know how google works especially in languages with no spaces

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746068
Okay I'm wrong. Why is it が and not を in cases like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746061
literally all the results that show up say 英語ができない, even when you search for を
it's fucking evident that it's wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746048
英語をできない gets like 12k hits anon
you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Kike or nigger?

[Anonymous No.]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746072
you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

You can learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746076
are you talking about matt and khatz? khatz

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746071
i don't know japanese and the guy who told you to google it might not either and frankly maybe no one does
but now you know how to google phrases and see if one is used 100x as often as another

[Anonymous No.]

ぬるぽ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746053
I was about n4 when I played it. I remember there were only a few parts I couldn't decipher, but everything else was pretty easy to figure out. I don't know how many words I had to look up though, but I do remember a lot of large chunks of the game I could read without a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746077
yeah, that's like when americans write "should of" instead of "should have"

[Anonymous No.]

tfw you come across verbs in te form a shit load of times and still haven't looked up what the various uses of te form are (outside some throwaway explanation you heard a month ago) so you have to guess at what's happening even more than you already are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746077
It's also important to note that all of these usages are in relative clauses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746133
nice blog. take ten minutes to read a grammar guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746127
not even close
>>19746135
ding ding ding winner

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746135
you might be the most fluent person here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746138
i'd rather blog some more than do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746154
drop some nihongo in your blogs so that we can all benefit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19740718
Wow, my 6k deck doesn't have this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746161
if i don't know what the te form does what makes you think i can drop japanese. fuck this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746167
don't come back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746175
are you kidding me i'm not leaving in fact i'm going to become a regular user here.

[Anonymous No.]

ハイ!タケコプター

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746154
https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/
good vibes and better comprehension can come to you too if you take an hour to read through this from start to finish
>>19746164
core6k actually does it just has separate cards for different readings and meanings for no good reason

what core6k is missing is words you don't find as often in polite writing, like 危うく, 天使, etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746182
Since it's brought up are kids shows like that good for practice? It should be pretty simple Japanese yea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746206
depends, do you wanna get frontloaded with slang that's hard to look up in english?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19743107
>ぶきみさをだす
??? どういう意味?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746180
i think you're being disingenuous because you understand how it works around here too well

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746217
足す？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746190
is that one of those cute boiros

[Anonymous No.]

You can do it everyone! I believe in you!

[Anonymous No.]

料理のしかたがわかりません

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746241
no that's a 2hu, or as they're called in japanese, 二封

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746182
あ
あ
あ
とっても大好き
ドラえもん!

I really should try reading the manga in japanese. It's the first thing I read ever, as well, so might revisit that innocent time.

[Anonymous No.]

For me, it's youtube comments. The best resource for practical Japanese learning advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746242
「ぶきみさ」は？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746270
わかんない。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746206
I don't know how much it will help you from a purely linguistic standpoint, but shows like Doraemon are so culturally ingrained that you need to be able to get references to it on a semi-regular basis if you really want to understand Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746270
bukiminess

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746288
but what if already he watches anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746288
i'd recommend sniffing my nutsack if you want an even better understanding of japanese

[Anonymous No.]

How much did you guys actually look up grammar points when you started reading? Looking words up is fine but grammar is making me want to blow my brains out. Never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746288
Does Doraemon still have the cultural hold it has back in the 70s-90s? I mean, I know he pretty much had the standing of Astro Boy, but how important is that standing for modern Japanese?

Like, I wouldn't recommend watching Friends if you really want to understand today's English, y'know what I mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746318
I never did because I didn't want to damage my Japanese. You can acquire it on your own just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

Looking things up permanently cripples your dekiru

[Anonymous No.]

Not looking things up permanently katawas your candoer

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746325
i wouldn't look up english definitions of japanese words either. you will associate japanese words with english words and you could permanently damage your understanding of that japanese word. i'd stick to just looking at the symbols until you absorb their meaning. it'll take a few decades but you'll never make mistakes that typical learners do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746342
yeah let's say it takes like ten decades oops now you're dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746302
Ah, so it's something like
「不気味さを出すのが上手いなあ」
とおもおいました
?

I mean, the link is to an Edogawa Ranpo story, so I'll have to read it anyway, I was wondering if there's some special aspect of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746353
death permanently cripples you as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746342
You're joking but I would agree with you. If you read/listen to thousands of hours of Japanese and see words in many different contexts you're going to eventually figure out their meaning. It won't take decades, in fact it won't take you that much longer than learning English resources, people underestimate just how long 3000 hours is.

[Anonymous No.]

you need to watch the big bang theory to truly know english, how are you going to know how to react when someone says bazinga

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746318
i went through tae kim first

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746385
Yeah so did I, but not everyone has an eidetic memory like you do so fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746382
I wonder which language has more memes, a specific branch of English (say, American) or Japanese. It'd be unfair to include all Englishes, so let's stick to one, the one that produces the most creative artwork. とおもう.

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good beginner LN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746396
It's easily American English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746395
you can't learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746404
Zero no Tsukaima

[Anonymous No.]

>>19745915
>easy to understand casual language
>characters speak clearly

Dude what the fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yolZSC0gBk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746404
probably anything below 1600 kanji count in the library

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746404
welcome to the nhk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746414
you can't stop licking my sweaty hairy taint

[Anonymous No.]

heisig seems to resent the fact that he's most famous for RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746423
He wants to practice Japanese not get depressed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19738785
*raughed

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746404
人類は衰退しました

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746424
I mean, that your sweaty hairy sticky taint is delicious and has that intoxicating smell that activates the pleasure switch in my lizard brain as hard and as often as Australia changes prime ministers in a political time frame has no bearing on your inability to speak Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746431
Depression is essential in getting that yamato damashii

[Anonymous No.]

If a girl I love say to me "四つん這いになって", what should I expect?

[Anonymous No.]

how do i say "tfw no" in japanese? as in, >tfw no 日本人のボーイフレンド

[Anonymous No.]

I want to read Jintai

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746464
play this vn to find out

[Anonymous No.]

I read manga I know will be hard for me in Japanese, but anything slightly too hard feels very difficult with anime. I guess this is because with manga I can stop and think but anime it is going very fast.

Does this matter in the long term? I am still picking up the vocab from reading so I guess I'll be able to watch the anime raw later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746464
>Xがない気持ち

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746456
a beheading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746464
>カノジョなしの気持ち
「ママはどう？？」
>ってことは・・・

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746471
You can pause anime, you know. If you're using it to study, just grab subbed anime, turn off the subs and be ready to pause and re-listen whenever you don't understand something.
If you really can't understand it, toggle subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746475
I knew my fetish of fanatical fans of the French revolution will end this way, but one can't stop one's boner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746474
i wasn't expecting a serious answer.
so if I was in a chat room with japanese, say discord or or an mmo, and I wrote "日本人のボーイフレンドがない気持ち", that would be understood?
or should it be instead, "日本人のボーイフレンドがないの気持ち”

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746456
prepare your anus

[Anonymous No.]

>Be in Japan abroad
>Turbo weeb classmate also there
>TFW he says
>"Ore wa kakkoii desu?" to a cutie

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746540
you then presumably died from both laughing too hard and cringe, so how's the wifi down there in Enma's chamber?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746540
and then he got the pussy while you're posting smug anime faces on an imageboard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746540
>tfw she said replied with 「 入れてほしい」

[Anonymous No.]

do you ever wonder whether you're actually learning japanese or you just guess what everything means because you know the vocab and context and grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746540
So? I don't get the joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746586
if you never run into a contradiction with your thoughts, then are they really wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746572
this
>the chad weeb
>the virgin DJT blog poster

[Anonymous No.]

I started learning kana by copying the stroke orders from wikipedia and just repeating that for あいうえおかきくけこ. But then I found RTKana, some of his imagery is too absurd and I cant get a mental image of anything maybe I'm retarded. But I noticed some are sticking and that's from two half hours a day for three days.
What should I be doing to make kana stick?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746586
>you just guess what everything means because you know the vocab and context and grammar
that's how every language works, we're all just making educated guesses based on those things

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746540
>Ore wa kakkoii desu
Is this not a good thing to say or something? Isn't it just asking if you're cool?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746602
read a lot. using mnemonics to visualize kana and kanji will permanently damage your ability to appreciate them as art

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746382
Your post already assumes I know what BBT and bazinga are, so you're reinforcing my point. You're going to run into dokodemo door references and Nobita impressions if you consume enough Japanese media.

[Anonymous No.]

>bookmark and download hundreds of files/resources in preparation to learn japanese
>start reading
>use only like 3 of those resources
Why was I so stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746586
>>19746596
>tfw every "language" in the world is actually ab amalgam of distinct and individualized understandings of arbitrary communication norms, idiosyncratic to every person speaking it
>tfw I can't learn Japanese and I don't even know English

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746643
>tfw nani?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746620
>appreciate them as art
tf u on

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746640
that kind of behavior is typical of a procrastinator. instead of learning japanese you spend all that time getting ready to learn japanese and now that you started the task you realized how much time you wasted. it's something most people do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746656
language is a social construct and it does not exist outside of the mind of human beings. if you "guess correctly based on context" 100% of the time, then, congratulations, you are 100% fluent

[Anonymous No.]

If words are just sounds with meanings then why aren't all meanings sounds?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746616
yeah that's what it means
just sounds a little weird, you'd probably say 俺かっこいい？ if that's what you're going for
i don't know the significance behind the smug face anon posted

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746664
yeah i downloaded like 1 gb of light novels and I barely touched more than 5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19746621
I agree, I specifically used that example because it's something that's actually referenced a lot, I couldn't think of anything as quotable in Friends.
Matt also advocates making decks for celebrities. I watch some variety and some ikemen celebrity appears and everyone is in awe but I have no idea who it is.

You don't understand Japanese if you don't know the train lines in tokyo, how do you know where characters are when they're on the chuuou line?
This stuff is actually insanely important.