Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1953

[Anonymous No.]

This is a shitposting thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

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Previous Thread: >>19282092

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糞スレ

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>>19295554
combine this with the piss drinking of knights of shitdonia and we are truly in the sweet spot

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What the fuck, I've never typed that.
Did I find an Easter egg or something?

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>>19295669
いい方法いい方向

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heres why you dont know japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Kzafj1Z0I

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>This is a shitposting thread
no it isn't. fuck off

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>>19295715
youre right

everybody get in here and lets get to 2000 good quality posts

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Someone make a real bread please

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Shit cancer op

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Is this reportable

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DJT died for this >>19295740 thread by the way

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i mean one guy made like 4 really bad threads just to kill the old thread that was going great by the way

actually the best thread in all of djt history

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>>19295777
Same kid as >>19295725

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>>19295520
乙カレー
>>19295738
草comes from the ｗｗｗｗｗ spam japanese do when they see something funny.
The multiple w's lined alongside each other end up looking like grass　草.

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Bingo time what do we put in the squares?

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Why are they crying?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_pF4a_TxmU

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>>19295787
Lmao he's still going >>19295812

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how do I learn Japanese?

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>>19295818
Manga isn't reading.
You don't know Japanese.
RTK
Matt

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Also on an unrelated note is anyone else having a hard time with captcha
I mean since google stopped allowing me to use the old captcha it's been terrible but it just seems a lot worse now for some reason, I have to repeat it 10 times and it still doesn't work. Right now I'm using the audio captcha which actually works for some reason

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>>19295828
>>19295824
good now let's repost this for 2000 posts so we can make a new thread

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>>19295818
manga isn't reading
>rtk
>not doing rtk
>core
>not doing core
matt
10000 hours
私はゲイ
daily english thread
japanese rap video
toradora post
reddit post
imouto post

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me. every fucking check mark dissapears

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>>19295833
>>19295862

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>>19295855
Just post some Umaru doijins.

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>>19295833
Same shit, recaptcha goes full retard and ignores correct answers.

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>>19295818
also title it "bingo bongo you don't know nihongo"

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On my fucking desktop i literally cannot post because capcha says please try again infinitely. Now im a fucking phoneposter pleb because your shitty fucking capcha doesnt work moot

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does reading get easier bros? I just dont fucking get jp grammar at all.

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>>19295818
just fill it with japanese place and people names (in nihongo) and watch the noobs squirm

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>>19295818
This is all I got

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>>19295916
No, it gets exponentially harder until you know every common use kanji by heart, and all of their variations.

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>>19295920
dekinai to E6

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>>19295920
where is raticate?

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>>19295946
who?

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>>19295949
wow you successfully managed to fill every square with suck good job

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>>19295937
I know this is supposed to be some kind of chess joke but there's no 6 here

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>>19295959
i aim to please

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How much is too much new content? Is there a point where your brain just doesn't process new information into memory and you should just stop? Or is that all a meme? I can go all day if I must.

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>>19295949
> 14/16-year olds pretending to be adult
So, every single thread on 4chan?

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>>19295949
RTK and "read more" should be in there.

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>>19295949
DJT was so much better on /int/

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>>19295959
isn't it appropriate for it to be shit

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>>19295949
What's a krashen

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>>19295949
This is good. Maybe remove "You can't learn Japanese." since "You don't know Japanese." is already on there and Amphetamines since RATTATA is already there.

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>>19295977
Yeah that's why it died again and again, and still is

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>>19295970
c'mon man there are times in a child's life where you constantly learn new words through exposure so what makes you think that wouldn't apply to learning nipponese, or anything for that matter?

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>>19295981
yeah but your flavor of shit is like ben stein flavor

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>>19295973
read more is the center space dude
>>19295986
RATTATA is the union of "read more" and "amphetamines", which is why it can't make a line with either of them

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW6M8D41ZWU
for how much time have you been learning nihongo and how much of this can you understand

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>>19295992
i'd love to take credit for that but i only added the dot

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>>19295987
You don't know what you're talking about

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>>19295987
I think you're confusing the pile of shit that is /jp/'s DJT sticking around longer and attracting more flies with /jp/'s DJT being superior to /int/'s less frequent pile of roses.

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>>19295998
i made this classic flash vid which should give you a good idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBJtQjykq_4

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>>19296003
>>19296006
Why don't you go back to /int/? Oh wait the thread there is dead lol

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Radical freedom is a forced meme posted by a single retard over and over. It's not djt.

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>>19296020
so is basically every other djt meme

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>>19296020
that sounds like djt to me

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>>19295989
Because a child's brain is much more malleable and capable of learning new things than a grown ass man's. I feel like it's probably best to stop and come back tomorrow with a fresh mind, but I just want to keep going.

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>>19296033
you're not even learning Japanese now

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>>19295986
"You don't know Japanese" is for sub-N3s giving advice. "You can't learn Japanese" is for people complaining about trivial shit.

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>>19296019
18+

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>>19296041
I started grinding at 5pm yesterday and it is now 12pm. I did a fucking lot.

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>>19296022
>>19296031
The difference is everything else is self aware/ironic and radical freedom is just pure cancer.

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>>19296033
>and capable of learning new things than a grown ass man's
this is so intuitively incorrect that I don't get why people think it.

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>>19296054
radical freedom is like peak ironic dude

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>>19295554
Please tell me this did not actually happen.

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>>19296033
It takes a child fucking years to start speaking at a competent level, you tard.

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>>19296020
I don't even know this meme

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>>19295949
Replace the kids pretending to be adults with ぞい子

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>>19296033
>>19296060
Let's not start this discussion again please

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Redpill me on 逝け面

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>>19296076
it's what you are

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>>19295818
3k words in core.

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>>19296066
that's because he stopped posting it because he realized the comic it was based on was bad (he mentioned this recently)
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>>19296071
who?

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>>19296088
>bad rap
Redutant.

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WAATT (Watch Anime All The Time) is the true learning method for Japanese

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Random shower thoughts popping in my head 1 year after graduating Anki:
大手チェーン店

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>>19296060
Let me guess, you don't think all of the other proven age-related degradations regarding cognitive ability, such as reaction time, are real as well? Our brains get shitty with age anon, the sooner you accept that the better.

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>>19296135
>Our

一緒にするな, 人間.

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>>19296135
This is a meme and newer studies do not support it, at least as far as young adulthood and middle-age.

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飛行機が空を飛んでいる
I just finished learning Japanese. Ask me anything.

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>>19296162
「わけはない」と「わけがない」の違いはなんですか

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>>19296135
It starts to derange after a very old age like 50yrs or so, not gradually since birth.

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>>19296162
i'm sorry for your loss
痛いの痛いの飛んでけ

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>>19296162
Do you actually use it for anything now that you're done?

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>>19296166
And even then you're very functional until you start going senile.

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>>19296166
The age is 24, actually.

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>>19296165
They mean the exact same thing. There is no difference whatsoever.

>>19296170
don't worry just ajatt like me and you can know it too

>>19296171
No. it was a bad decision.

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is there a worse meme than ajatt

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>>19296181
if you don't use your brain for anything other than anime and porn, then yes. but your brain can still be better than when you were young if you just use it

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>>19296203
AJATT is absolutely fine though.

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>>19296204
This is at odds with all modern peer-reviewed scientific findings. But I will take your word on it, anon of DJT.

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>>19296208
how is it fine if it takes your hair if you follow it?

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>>19296212
false. your brain is a muscle and it gets stronger as you use it. that's a fact. I'll let you go and look for sources though. you obviously need the practice.

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>>19296212
Link pls

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>>19296199
>No. it was a bad decision.
I figured.

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it's true that the brain degrades with age past 24 but it doesn't have much to do with whether or not some dude in this thread can take advantage of 24/7 input. it's an absurd point to bring up.

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>>19296222
The brain is an organ like your skin and kidney, that's not saying anything. Completely different function, different set of rules. Your brain reaches its peak functionality at roughly the age of 24. This is not news to anybody, except you apparently.

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much like djt the brain degrades with age

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>>19296212
you mean widely accepted word of mouth, you've never read a peer-reviewed study

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>>19296235
you can increase memory and reasoning by practicing. there are tons of studies showing this. sure, you can argue that your potential will decline, but if you practice you can be smarter and quicker than you were as a kid. kids just haven't had the time to reach their potential. I win fuck off

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>>19296242
Nope, it is true. I have been doing reaction time tests since the age of 20 due to being part of competitive fighting game scenes. I started at around 220ms visual reaction time,100ms auditory, which improved to 210ms until around 23 in which it steadily declined. I am now 26 and on a good day reach 240ms, though it probably averages 260. It's not a myth, it's real and easily verifiable.

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>>19296259
reaction time is the easiest to measure and is not indicative of the topic which is learning a language

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Check yourself before you wreck your credibility.

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>>19296259
your decline isn't due to age. it's due to shitposting all day

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>>19296268
Not directly related but still goes to show that brain degradation does happen and it happens earlier, and more readily, than you might think. It's not only your brain, its your body as a whole. It effects every aspect of your being.

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>>19296271
I like this concept and how it applies to RTK haters but the civil war thing triggered me because I pictured the leftist dipshit who made this image. Not that I think it's wrong.

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LINK?

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Is it snowing in here?

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>>19296259
>In 2013 scientists studied the reaction time of 200 candidates and groups them by their lifestyle. They discovered that reaction didn't depend on age. People who enjoy regular exercise had a significantly slower reaction time than people who shitposted bullshit on 4chan all day long regardless of age.

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>>19296199
>There is no difference whatsoever.
>don't worry just ajatt like me and you can know it too
don't do ajatt kids

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>>19296279
there is a factor, yes, but you should be careful with making leaps in logic that seem obvious as there are many more factors that contribute to adults being more capable language learners than young children

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>と思います

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>>19296271
>being this butthurt about tomatoes being called what they are

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>babies take a year to shit out one word
>5 years to be somewhat able to communicate
>12 years to be fluent but still lack vocabulary
Them kids so smart, adults could never do this

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>>19296291
I think you've been brainwashed by /pol/
It's okay, happens often with newfags nowadays

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>>19296309
>too alpha to 思います

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わたしはゲイだと思います

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>to思います

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ユーアーマイフレンド

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>>19296352
>だ
stop talking like an anime character

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>>19296370
あの日の夢今でもまだ 忘れてないんでしょ

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>>19296370
あの微笑みを忘れないで

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わたしはヘテロだと思う

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>>19296370
バカ外人ても？

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>>19296389
でも*

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へろへろしてる

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今日もがんばるぞい

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>>19296271
here let me help you out with a more suitable version

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>>19296340
I don't browse /pol/.

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虫けらども、われはこの世の支配者である。われのことを愛するがよい。

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>>19296436
身の程 is isually used with shiru no?

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歌
I know the meaning of this kanji is "song".

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Is 27 too late to start learning? I wonder if I've just missed the train and that's why I can't seem to get past the flashcard brick wall and remember even the fucking adverb sets.

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>>19296439
いやお前は世界の支配者（笑）なんかじゃねーし、たぶん一生誰にも愛されねーから
惨めで超ブサイクな男、それがお前だよ。現実を知れ

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>>19296555
>I can't seem to get past the flashcard brick wall and remember even the fucking adverb sets
wtf are you doing

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>>19296555
Of course it's too late. Since when has anyone learned anything after the age of 24 - the point at which your brain starts to atrophy?

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>>19296561
Being a dumbass, that's about it. I try to give myself comfy afternoons in the sun to do 1-3 hours of vocab before I start grammar, but I keep having to hit 'Again' after even mnemonics don't work for recalling exact definitions.
>>19296564
Fair enough. I don't know. I've been out of school for almost a decade and barely remember how to do long division as a result.

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I should also say that sometimes if I look at a word and can't recall what it is, but close my eyes and listen to the audio, I know exactly what the word is and all the listed definitions, plus a vague idea of what the example sentence is before it starts. Nothing comes to mind prior to that even if I give myself 30 seconds.
This is not good or useful because I can't get to reading sentences if I'm dependent on hearing them, nor will it help with homophones.

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>>19296568
I was in the same boat. I just did khan academy and relearned long division and other shit.

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>>19296568
Where do you work at? McDonald's?

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>>19296256
もう少しですよ, "brain is like a muscle" is not quite true. Neural plasticity decreases with age, while crystallized intelligence generally increases. This decline in plasticty is inevitable as it has to do with cell death and synapse pruning and it is essential for the development of solid mental skills (it would be counterproductive to mantain too many synapses). This means optimal brain function will be achieved around the mid 20s or the third decade. Unfortunately, language centers in the temporoparietal cortex will be very plastic only until the age of 18-20, so even though you could reach fluency as an adult through crystallized intelligence alone, you could never reach the level of a native speaker.

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>>19296595
I manage a pet store. It's really shitty but injuries mean I can't go back to more physical things.
I want to go back to school one day because I feel really bad that most of it has rusted away. I have doubts about how far I'll get in Japanese if I'm experiencing problems already, but I will try to stick to it and use different memorization techniques. Sorry to blogpost.

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>>19296595
Yeah

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>>19296568
don't expect to recall exact definitions, you wont actually know what anything means until you know how it's used in actual japanese anyway
also i find more than an hour a day of anki draining, and it takes a while for reviews per day to go down once you get it up there
>>19296578
if you have audio on the front of the card you should move it to the back so that you can't rely on that

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>>19296556
誰に向かって話をしている？ｷｲｲ、ブス男と言われるなんて許せぬ！覚えてらっしゃい！＊ポコン＊

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>>19296624
this explanation was thought to be accurate until 5 or so years ago. we should add "you could never reach the level of a native speaker" to the bingo board though.

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Toku is pretty good for listening practice. Not as boring as dramas, and also made for children so it's easier to understand.

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>>19296659
try 25

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I'm reading and having fun doing so and there's nothing you can do about it.

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>>19296644
I consider it a failure on my part if I guess a term and the definition is off by a bit. Maybe I should not.
If by back of the card you mean audio only playing once I press the button, it's like that already. If you mean something else, I suppose I need to read the FAQ again.
I tried using Anki on the PC but couldn't keep myself from alt tabbing to get distracted, so I got Ankidroid and stay focused on it in an empty room. Right now it isn't set to cap out on anything, so I just go until I don't want to go anymore (which based on my history is around 100 reviews) and then put it away.

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>>19296670
I'm reading this thread too!

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>>19296659
No, it has been proven to be right every time it was tested. Those are well established mechanisms, when you learn a new language as an adult you are simply not using the same systems. Doesn't mean you can't get very good at it.

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>167 cards due tomorrow
I want off Heisig's ride.

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>>19296691
What's the difference between being very good and at the level of a native speaker

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>>19296707
He's just shitposting

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What do they call kobe beef ( they high grade expensive stuff) in japanese?

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who cares no one in djt will ever be either of the two : )

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When people talk about never reaching fluency level past a certain age, how are they defining fluency? Because based on their IQ alone I know you could easily take a bunch of Nips and plop them in the US and they would have a better grasp of English than many English natives if they were completely immersed in the language for 5 years. In particular they will have a better grasp than those who suffer from poverty and basketball. Larger passive and active vocab, better acquisition of grammar, etc.

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>>19295554
What the actual fuck. Seconding >>19296059.

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>>19296059
>>19296725
It did, actually. I watched this while it was being streamed live and the chat freaked out. Anime is finished.

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>>19296725
i mean its anime in 2018 theres nothing left to lose

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>>19296721
I didn't know basketball made you dumber

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>>19296715
.........
Well... uh... that... I'd ask for brain bleach but then I might regain my curiosity about the show and watch it someday... Which episode that was, anyway? Might as well enjoy the anons' reactions.

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any log do-jins yet

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>>19296764
>>>/trash/16595031

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people are literally linking trash
what has DJT come to

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>>19296805
Here's something more on topic.

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>>19296812
wait, are you telling me there are people who can remember WITHOUT mnemonics? If I don't attach something novel or emotional to new information it will not stick in my head.

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>>19296691
>when you learn a new language as an adult you are simply not using the same systems.
the location of the brain used is not what i was refuting

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>>19296707
Have you never heard an advanced non-native English speaker talk? Even if the grammar is perfect, there are little idiomatic elements, intonation cues, vocabulary use, etc that give it away that they are not native. Even if you couldn't tell, it is not the same for the speaker from an operational point of view, there is always a bigger lag time. Which is why most people will count in their native language if they need to solve operations really fast, it's just something that your brain does automatically. There was an online quiz that dug into these questions not long ago, look up "Which English".

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>tfw japanese tv in my room open 24 hours

Talk to me once you reach this takai reberu

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TL;DR sorry

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>only 24 hours
dekinai

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>>19296843
Your okasan is dekinai

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>>19296828
>Have you never heard an advanced non-native English speaker talk?
Yea. Advanced non-native speakers often have worse accents but much greater vocab than average natives because they're just smarter.

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>>19296828
Jokes on you, I'm operationally retarded in my native language as well.

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TEN
THOUSAND
HOURS
OF
ANIME

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>>19296863
This is why I hate oral language exams, how can I be good at pronouncing english if I'm already bad at pronouncing my own language

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>>19296828
>>19296859
this, i've known people i would not be able to tell are non-native without the accent, and i mean accent, not the "non-natives will never use indefinite articles correctly" bullshit that EOPs spread

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>>19296882
That japanese teacher who made those videos on dogen's and matt's japanese also sounds pretty native in english, if not for the slow way he talks and sometimes drags out syllables

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>>19295949
I'm so proud that I'm the creator of 2 of those. Here's hoping I grace this general with more fantastic memes in the future.

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24 hours of japanese radio with headphones

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>>19296904
I started one of those awful memes and I'm ashamed of it, you should be too

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>>19296904
Your shitposting isn't fantastic in anything other than annoyance.

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>>19295792
>草comes from the ｗｗｗｗｗ spam japanese do when they see something funny.
It's interesting how that coincides with 草食系.
Sure, there is probably no historic connection between those two words.
Still, people that always leave behind 草原 on boards or Twitter, probably are 草食系.

I will admit I initially always read it くさしょくけい instead of そうしょくけい.

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What age range are light novels generally aimed towards?

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>>19296937
Somewhere between a single cell and a full fetus

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>>19296937
10-14 years

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>>19295822
He tells them a lot of shit. Gives them advice on how to live.
Crying is overdoing it, but remember that's TV.

The memory hooks for kanji he introduces are really interesting, though.
So thanks for the link.

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Where i can find updated translations of AKBINGO?

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Why are there so many fucking choices in the DJT guide about isolated Kanji study? Can't you just tell me what to use instead of giving me choices? I can't decide

>Just learn Kanji through vocabulary
That's what i did so far but my retention is poor so i want to add Isolated Kanji on top of that. I worked through the entire Radical Deck and i'm still doing it daily, by the way.

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please someone give HQ scans of the manga way, stop shitposting for a minute and be useful

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>>19297009
RTK.

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>>19297009
IDK what else the guide is recommending besides RTK, but RTK is the typical recommendation for kanji isolation study. I think redditors might push WaniKani and KKLC. I don't know much about KKLC but I know WaniKani is retarded, as is anything that attempts to teach you readings outside reading.

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>>19297013
be useful yourself and go flip a couple burgers to buy the book yourself

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>>19297034
KanjiDamage
KKLC
RTK
some community made alterations of the three.

i don't fucking know

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>>19297051
im rich asshole

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>>19297058
cash or gtfo

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>>19297068
im from saudi arabia, i can buy your entire family

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>>19295792
Wrong. 草 is their subtle way of saying 糞
If you see a stream and something bad happens for the streamer you can see them use it.

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>>19297077
How are you posting online if you're from saudi arabia

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Why are katakana so much more difficult than hiragana?

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>>19297077
buy his family or gtfo

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>>19297099
what do you mean

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>>19297099
me too im having a harder time with katakana, so many similarities

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ﾜﾀｼﾊｹﾞｲﾃﾞﾔﾝｽ

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Just remember, it doesn't matter if you are good at japanese or not, japanese people hates you

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not true at all by and large but as always your experience in life depends entirely on the situations you put yourself in

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日本人 love me bitch, they don't like bitch asses like you tho

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>>19297148
you seem black, lol japan fucking hate you

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>>19296917
At least I'm not Jamal...which is something pretty much anyone on 4chan can say.

[Anonymous No.]

Why everyone post here like its a chat room?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297157
when are you gonna ask me to meet you under the tree on top of the hill after school because you have something you want to tell me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297155
Shut your ass up bitch ass, suck on this dick and make sure not to gag like a fag, or I'm gonna get the mags and put your body in a bag

[Anonymous No.]

@19297167
cuz its cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297121
ive always had trouble with the difference between ツ and シ, but that shouldn't be a problem for long because I've almost completed a mnemonic device that I think everyone can benefit from knowing. I'll post it when it's done

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297099
Because you use it a lot less and probably learned it after hiragana. I actually learned katakana first as a kid to play vidya and translates English names for some autistic reason so I'm pretty tokui.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297142

I'm French though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297172
is that like pizza in a bag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297172
Woha so i was right.

Yatta!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297084
ネット上では、（笑）をさらに略して「ｗ」がよく使われるよね。この「ｗ」が草に見えることから「草不可避」とか「草生える」という表現が生まれたのだろうと思っていたし、実際そのとおりみたい。

http://6months.wpblog.jp/minimal-life973

Check your sources

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297121
>>19297099
It's easier once you recognize that most Katakana with this general shape ウ are mostly something with U
ウクスフ

Next thing you will probably have trouble with are シ and ツ
I have an easy mnemonic for these
シ Shi is a dude looking up saying "oh SHIt!"
(know that the "up" also applies to the stroke direction for the bottom line)

ツ Tsu is a dude looking down at a TSUnami
(again, this time the stroke of the bottom line goes downwards)

Fuck ソ and ン though. Always confuse those fucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297189
If you're talking about the part where you slice the pizza up in parts yeah
>>19297191
Congratulations, come take your prize!

[Anonymous No.]

>post in thread full of discussion
>thread died immediately

[Anonymous No.]

i dont click spoiler images anymore itt because people are fuckin diseased

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297009
if you did the radical deck and your vocab comprehension is poor you probably need to read more and consider switching from core to mining
aside from functioning as a bit of a substitute for a radical deck for getting used to kanji, isolated kanji is for recalling kanji, you're not going to stop making reading mistakes from doing it if you are already capable of looking more carefully at the kanji and seeing what part you mistook, not fucking that up comes from exposure to the language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297084
What do you gain from posting absolute nonsense?
That's not even trolling.

Feels like going to /sci/ only to post 1+1=3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297168
You should have been a miscarriage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297199
ツシソン are one of those cases where stroke order makes a huge difference. one has downward angles and the other upwards and if you write it enough and emphasize the 'tail' you will never mix them up again unless someone has intentionally shitty handwriting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297213
your face

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297199
Thanks sensei

ソ and ツ are both similar because they both have a su/so sound to them and they both point down, i always remember them this way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297185
is the mnemonic device the fact that the stroke direction mimics the hiragana so it's easy
>>19297199
>Fuck ソ and ン though.
same mnemonic device

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297197
Then why do I explicitly see it being spammed when something bad happens and not when something extremely funny but not bad happens? I don't trust your blog source.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297206
Who the fuck browses without
[X] Reveal Spoiler Thumbnails
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297210
>>19297210
well most of my reading mistakes happen when the words are conjugated, because i memorize entire words from the core deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297237
i dont wanna be spoiled

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297234
n-no it's way better than that.

[Anonymous No.]

Whenever I feel down I look at /djt/ and see some fucking asshat complaining about the katakana smiley faces.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297253
fuckin get genki bro welcome back to djt

[Anonymous No.]

You guys should be happy for being dekinais. You don't know how painful it is to live with this overflowing brain power, no one can understand me. What's is the point of learning Japanese if you can't share the struggles of your experience with someone else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297231
>they both have a su/so sound
>this is your brain on romaji
nigga what are you smoking? ツ is in the 't' family and ソ is in the 's'. The are completely different sounds.

[Anonymous No.]

Its that time of the year were utada's hype invade every street in japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297255
this is me so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297235
Show me an example

[Anonymous No.]

shes a fuckin obasan now and she never knew how to sing in the first place she just makes bitch screeches

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297259
you are fucking dumb, seriously dont even talk to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297255
my only struggle is finding someone that understands romeo like i do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297268
has there ever been a more overrated Japanese performer? I say that as someone who likes some of her music. I just wish she would retire.
>>19297279
で　き　ず　君　；）

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297268
wtf is this caterpillar eyebrows in real life

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297291
she did retire for a while but then she had an existential crisis and realized she has no other place in the world

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297254
Thanks, fake jamal.

[Anonymous No.]

did i throw you off with the "bro"?

no its me dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297300
Kek this is what you get for having musician parents and working since 15, she doesn't know what normal life is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297310
shes a fuckin muppet and shes back to dancing for us

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297291
She was great in 2002-2004 but then she came in contact with america and it all went downhill from there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297300
She needs to go to New York then and stick to obscure nightclubs.　Out of my face, cunt.
>>19297310
The worst part is Japanese awards this tireless autism so she will eventually reach untouchable sempai status

[Anonymous No.]

Leave that j-pop celeb garbage aside and let's listen to something good for once
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW6M8D41ZWU

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297268
Utada is still a thing?
I thought she was dead (as a pop artist).
>初恋
Isn't she pushing 40?

>>19297291
>overrated
She had a few extremely Japanese-y songs, that make her stick out.
Especially COLORS comes to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv7OzIbdm4Y
Fucking amazing, even after all those years.
Really too bad she didn't try it overseas with that and instead went with that English album.
That was begging to fail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297319
exodus was lit bro its just too bad they couldnt hire a good singer for it

>>19297321
but you literally linked jpop

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297327
that's rock not pop

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297333
youre actin silly daddy gonna smack you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297270
It's 6 am in japan so there's no one fucking streaming right now, I can give you proof later or you can just deduce properly onto what stuff means by using your brain a bit instead of relying on a fricking blog to tell you what a meme means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297268

Utada is like the only female singer that is doing so well in terms sales even after the long break, other trash from the early 00s like Ayumi Hamasaki are not selling anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297333
actually scratch that that's disco
still get own'd that's not pop

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297321
Good lord its like 2002 all over again.　>>19297326
>Isn't she pushing 40?
うふふふマジで？情けなぁい
>>19297326
I just don't like her sound by and large. Its just so uninspired and her voice is meh.

[Anonymous No.]

This is the best J-pop song from the last 20 years or so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_xkQAxyf-o

fight me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297342
>there's no one fucking streaming right now
I literally opened my twitch, went to my following section and there were like 2 guys streaming out of the 5 I'm following
https://www.twitch.tv/syaruru3

also don't fucking report this I'm not advertising faggots

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297350
>うふふふマジで？情けなぁい
Checked. 35.
Does she still fall under the "cake"-tag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297360
sux majorly

[Anonymous No.]

Utada is responsible for all the weebs, she will go to hell

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297342
I learned from the japanese on 日本語スレ.Before that I used to have the same half-assed explanation as you do.
So, until you find a group of japanese going 草 over a dead person, shut up.留学生くん

[Anonymous No.]

You only go to hell if you believe in it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297295

Delicious eyebrows

[Anonymous No.]

>djt moved to /jp/
>thread gets invaded by weebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297405
you are probably the biggest weeb here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297405
なんてこった

[Anonymous No.]

ill show you the real jpop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ9J5by0mq8

she shits all over your favorite jpop bitches like miku shits her mecha ridin bodysuit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297405
t. ironic otaku

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297360
good taste, its certainly the song of turn of the millennium. God I miss classic Momusu.
>>19297373
死ね、ゲロカス

[Anonymous No.]

You should be able to understand this

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iMTizJo9Vjk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297427
even people who know that language can't understand it
better than the real language though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297427
Sounds like latin american music

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297427
[moe bitch noises]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297424
>God I miss classic Momusu
They are like the only faces i recognize to this day, every group now is samefagging...there is no personality or whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297414
When going back in time, at least do it thoroughly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwm8Zskinsg

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297444
funny i thought that after 1st gen

[Anonymous No.]

>自意識過剰
is 5 kanji the maximum you've seen a word have?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19296904
That's nothing, I made like eight of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297454
i didnt wanna go that far back its not a go back in time contest its a lol @ utada and ayumi weebs festival

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbiNRe88CD8

what do you know about this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbiNRe88CD8

you better be fuckin crying

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297414
Literally who? Nice obvious-ass white screen effect on her yellow face.
>>19297444
I abandoned idols when AKB came on the scene and Idolm@ster was pushed out by Love Live. Fucking wotas can rot with their garbage taste for all I care.
>>19297458
Don't be a hipster, half of them were ugly and too close in personality. Peak Momusu is somewhere around here after Miki joined.
https://youtu.be/JRHkJdI2qYE

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297461
No.
Numbers can get almost arbitrarily long.

>>19297484
>utada and hamasaki
Admittedly I like(d) them, but aren't they 2000s artists?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297461
キムジョンウン朝鮮労働党委員長

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297503
were we sticking to a particular decade i didnt see that

utada was late 90s tho she made it in before y2k

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have any Nobuyuki Fukumoto's manga? Particularly Akagi or Saikyou Densetsu Kurosawa. I can't find anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>ネットしたり
but it's not a suru verb???!!

[Anonymous No.]

you can suru anything if you put your kokoro to it mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297461
seach for syndrome on jisho

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297528
Just because your dictionary says it's no suru-verb, that doesn't mean Japanese don't use it as a suru-verb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297034
everyone except for AJATTers and koohii drinkers "pushes" kklc over rtk dude. rtk is garbage. it's worse than most of its contemporaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297013
someone rescanned it recently

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297548
If KKLC is the same as RTK except it offers readings and other irrelevant shit then it's worse than RTK because it's more cluttered. But you didn't explain what makes KKLC better so I don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297556
Well it was written by people who know Japanese for one.

[Anonymous No.]

there is no better way to learn nihongo besides learning it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297556
kklc has:
- exact stroke direction and order for every single stroke of every single kanji
- doesn't give up on mnemonics with the excuse that the reader should make them up themselves
- has component names that are actually founded in their function
- isn't designed around being used exactly and only one way (rtk can only be used for writing production based on keywords)
vitally:
- isn't just an overpriced collection of keywords and stroke order diagrams

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297563
nah i think if i shitpost in /djt/ i'll absorb everyone's collective knowledge of japanese and become fluent. it'll take a couple more years but it's much less effort.

[Anonymous No.]

I wouldn't mind personally putting down the trolls in this thread. Meido deserves a fucking bullet for curating this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297545
yeah, its just a function of frequency. を gets dropped casually in convo anyway, so its only a matter of time before something as common as the internet becomes a suru-verb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297528
now it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297570
knowledge isnt what makes you fluent dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297567
>isn't designed around being used exactly and only one way
yes it is, it is incapable of being used for writing production based on keywords, trust me i tried because i see no value in kanji recognition practice versus learning words
the rest is fair and that's why i thought it was for me when i started out

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297570
Not to mention how fun it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297577
okay so you can't use it for the one method that nobody who doesn't know japanese should do, cool
that doesn't mean it is designed to be used exactly and only one way. there are many ways to "learn" the kanji using kklc's contents.

[Anonymous No.]

djts fun right now.. but will these fun times last?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297570
Good thinkin...but what about memorizing kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

We're at the very bottom, only way is up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297583
one such way for example is throwing it in the garbage and using rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297590
the only reason you would use rtk's keyword->writing method instead of literally anything else is if you don't know japanese and aren't interested in learning it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297589
if you think mikus dumpy drawers is the bottom you have no idea dude

this is only the beginning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297567
>exact stroke direction and order for every single stroke of every single kanji
Good.
>doesn't give up on mnemonics with the excuse that the reader should make them up themselves
Bad. Personal stories are better. Moreover koohii provides community stories if you want to be a retard and steal them.
>has component names that are actually founded in their function
I guess kinda good? It doesn't matter.
>(rtk can only be used for writing production based on keywords)
What other function is it supposed to serve?
>isn't just an overpriced collection of keywords and stroke order diagrams
RTK is free. :^)

Does KKLC do kanji in the same order as RTK btw?

[Anonymous No.]

KONKAI WA

[Anonymous No.]

I can't take Anki anymore, it's so fucking boring. Is there no other way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297613
>Does KKLC do kanji in the same order as RTK btw?
no, its order actually makes some kind of sense. it does, however, do the same thing rtk does where it goes out of its way not to introduce characters that haven't had their components introduced yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297618
Books, paper&pen

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297620
Order only matters in terms of building stories from base components, but it's good it has that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297613
>Bad. Personal stories are better.
KKLC's stories are founded in etymology when possible. In those cases, you should not make your own mnemonic, the etymology should be the mnemonic. When that's not the case (though it's not stated when it is), the given mnemonic still gives a better starting point for you to make your own. Also, in my experience, personal mnemonics take longer to fade, which was very intrusive when I first started reading.

[Anonymous No.]

Is hikakin pewdepie of japan?

[Anonymous No.]

kklc

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297656
rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw my brain feels like it just shut down every time I try to memorize Kanji readings and Japanese sentences
It sucks, I have plenty of resources to learn but my head feels numb when I try to and I only end up retaining a small portion of what I studied at a time. It took me a long time just to learn Kana back in highschool. This happens to me when I'm trying to learn anything really, definitely not only Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297656
This is nice.
>>19297659
Look at this DUDE.oh nonono

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297618
Read you stupid nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297678
Be anon is a cute angry hime sama not a stupid nigger!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297678
Mean!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297678
>>19297689
>>19297700
Cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297678
dont say that word!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297713
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

Boku wa dekinai janai!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297583
i think you're overstating the number of "methods" with which you can use kklc, like what, "you can choose if you learn vocab at the same time or not"? is that a unique method?
by the way if you're treating that as an option, it's a shit one, i also tried that with kklc and it was a bad idea
>>19297593
since you're repeating this let me ask you why the fuck you think this? yes, it's not japanese, but it's also the only reason to do kanji study in the first fucking place
>>19297656
ooh show me the picture of three kanji back to back with the same two senses and no mnemonics, yeah rtk is pretty shit but kklc can definitely be frustrating as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297766
kanji aren't japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Is Japanese-only comedy allowed in these threads? It could be a bit of carrot rather than the usual dekinai stick.
https://youtu.be/CYQkfdMGXWU

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297768
>>19297766
>yes, it's not japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297766
>"you can choose if you learn vocab at the same time or not"? is that a unique method?
If that's what he meant that's fucking hilarious. I don't get why retards insist on trying to learn vocab from lists like this instead of mining while reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19296436
look at this and rethink your posting decisions guys thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>Wow, N1 in less than 4 years seems quite good?
Is this true? I thought AJATTers basically laugh at N1 after 2 years. Maybe even 1 year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297789
Why are you responding to yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297800
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297799
you don't have to listen to incomprehensible input before you read a grammar book to realize that n1 is a joke

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that jamal is a hero, saving you from trying to learn nihongo like a true ninja.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297818
fucken oath

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297805
You don't know / aren't studying / can't learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Jamal = kamisama.
There is no comprehensible input. No anki.
There is only comprehensible jamal.
Jamal is love, he is life. He is your god. Have you spread the word of jamal today? He will save you

[Anonymous No.]

i wont save you

ill make you save yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297851
Look at these words of wisdom, what majesty, humility.
Truly a god among beasts.

[Anonymous No.]

癖になりそう・・

[Anonymous No.]

>comprehensible jamal
Ok, now we've actually reached the bottom.

[Anonymous No.]

terracehousesukides

[Anonymous No.]

Can't believe what happened to Daiki-kun in Terrace House. Hopefully he finds happiness in being a teacher. He's pretty alpha for turning down Miwa-chan since she has nice titties.

[Anonymous No.]

あのねあたしはずっとアノンのこと好きだった!
だからね付き合ってください!!!

[Anonymous No.]

私は不ゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297968
You can do better than that. I'll be waiting until you do, then we can go out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297983
でも...

[Anonymous No.]

自殺してえな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297968
just give me your kokuhaku in eigo dude

[Anonymous No.]

それでええのん？

[Anonymous No.]

はいお願いします

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297993
This. Fucking insensitive asshole, don't you know that lowercase kun doesn't know japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297993
That atashi anon does this crap. They are just fagging for attention and acting like an insufferable moeblob. Just ignore them.

[Anonymous No.]

Who tf is atasi anon

[Anonymous No.]

just picked up remembering the kana, I want to learn so I can read my hentai and LNs, I don't care at all about speech.
how long until I start seeing results?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298018
I think he's genuinely cute, unlike 白痴妹.

[Anonymous No.]

このスレッドにはゲイ人いりますか?
僕はゲイだから

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298018
i mean i still want the kokuhaku

people have been saying nice things about me lately and i kinda wanna keep it goin

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298030
ゲイさんはみんなこんなに日本語下手くそですか

[Anonymous No.]

I think 白痴妹 is cute

[Anonymous No.]

i think your cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298030
キモい。地獄に落ちろ

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think about you.

[Anonymous No.]

tundereかい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298055
お前こそが地獄に落ちろ

[Anonymous No.]

俺たちはみんなやがて地獄に落ちるのさ
ただの時間の問題だよ
だから焦らなくていい

[Anonymous No.]

ゲイ人はいい人だ
だからみんなもゲイ人になろ

[Anonymous No.]

みんな落ち込むな爆笑

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298072
なんて寸言だ

[Anonymous No.]

このスレッドには誰かラップしたいな

[Anonymous No.]

what the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

Really wish I knew Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

YOYO
お前らは全員ガイジだYO

[Anonymous No.]

apparently me too because i have no idea what these fucks are on about!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19296937
13-16 you usually wouldn't catch a univ student reading a LN in public. but that really doesn't mean much, I wouldn't think less of someone if he reads lot of YA books, for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298127
That's cause you're a stupid nerd though.

[Anonymous No.]

its literally the equivalent of seeing a neckbeard sitting on the train reading animorphs

[Anonymous No.]

I think I should give up. 3 months and I still feel totally clueless in this language. goodbye

[Anonymous No.]

just searched this shit up and what the fuck is this I'm fucking crying

[Anonymous No.]

i mean it tells you right there dude

some people never change

some do・・

[Anonymous No.]

おれわまんこがだいすき

[Anonymous No.]

Praise jamal, amen.

[Anonymous No.]

Let me know when you can speak Japanese like this
https://youtu.be/6tMoZMmP9v4

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298186
im the grandpa and the bratty daughter is djt

[Anonymous No.]

I'll page you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19295818
AJATT
Comprehensible input
Do your reps
You don't know Japanese
Dekinai
You don't even know English
Matt
Nukemarine
Manga isn't reading
Core 2k
Mining
Yotsubato
Should I study radicals?
OJT
/int/
imouto
muramasa
hanahira
Reddit
JLPT
Sentence mining
Read the guide
Check the CoR
ぞい！
10,000 hours of listening

[Anonymous No.]

This thread needs to be euthanised
it's gotten steadily worst the last few days, I don't wanna see how bad DJT can get

[Anonymous No.]

consider this

i havent even posted a single rap vid itt yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298167
Tobias was a10/10 shota with a canonical pink naked body

[Anonymous No.]

this one goes out to any actual real ninjas who can understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUsqrKSvC3I

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298203
this is better than what was made
make sure you put a 日の丸 behind the free space

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298223
https://youtu.be/ADqLniFy6ww

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298236
shame on a ninja

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297656
Not to mention many keywords overlap, causing memory interference. RTK occasionally uses keywords that deviate from the meaning of a kanji to prevent memory interference. It's not a bug, it's a feature. Don't know why people who used KKLC get so defensive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298284
the same reason people who use rtk get so defensive, sunk cost, some people don't want to admit they made a mistake
rtk is still better if you're going to do one of them though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298205
It because you haven't praised your one true god yet, Jamalsama.
Do that, and you'll instantly be learning nihongo like only a true ninja.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298228
He lost his human body though

[Anonymous No.]

the best way you can praise me is to just fuckin learn nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298336
He got it back later as a morph. Makes me wonder if its always the same age no matter what.

[Anonymous No.]

DJT - Daily Animorphs Thread

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus fuck are you sad cunts talking about RTK again

[Anonymous No.]

Have you offered yourself to Jamalsama yet? Your journey to master nihongo is waiting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298379
it's actually among the highest quality discussions we've had in two or three threads
we're really at an all-time low

[Anonymous No.]

no theyre talking about animorphs which all in all is much more win

[Anonymous No.]

you know theres nihongo versions of animorphs guys..

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>>19298379
Have you seen the fucking shitpost spam in here? And you wanna bitch about RTK posts? You must be one of the retarded spammers then. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

have you ever considered fucking off fuck off guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298311
i didn't even use kklc nice try
kanji have multiple meanings and overlap in meaning with other kanji get over it and don't try to work around it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19297810
this. N1 is everyday Japanese. All the grammar is shit you see from watching mangas and LNs (textual manga for 13~16 year olds) and all the vocab is shit a 小六 could understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298415
maybe you shouldn't rave about how good something is you've never tried because i know more about it than you
the best strategy is to use neither and try learning japanese instead

[Anonymous No.]

When did you guys realize you were too stupid to learn Japanese? I got to こそあど words in Tae Kim's guide and realized I wouldn't understand the nuances in when they should be used for years.

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>>19298477
All gaijins are too stupid to learn Japanese, since Japanese is impossible.

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>>19298477
wew lad. Thats a low bar you set for yourself. I think its good you threw in the towel early.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298477
I came to djt once and they told me I "can't learn Japanese". Since then I've given up and abandoned my Japan related hobbies to just shitpost on here for all of eternity out of spite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298499
Not gonna lie it would be pretty funny if some nerd actually did that

[Anonymous No.]

What button do I press in Anki if I didnt know the word?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298509
alt f4

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>>19298477
what nuance? there are two situations in which you could use them and those situations only affect そ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298509
I just press good for all cards so I can masturbate to my retention and brag about it on DJT

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298523
I wrote a little script I call LearnNihongo. It lets me set a target retention rate and min/max time per card among a few other parameters, and generate months of review history for a deck, so that I can take pictures of my impressive anki stats.

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>>19298520
Then apparently I don't know what those words are called because whatever they are, Tae Kim listed like 12 of them. And there were particular ones you use while combining with the no particle to say something like "this restaurant is good."

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>>19298477
thank god im not an eop. thats intuitive as fuck man

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298477
What section? I want to find out if im a retard too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298568
trust me you're not that retarded.

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>>19298558
こ is near me or near us
そ is near you if you're not near me, or slightly distant from the both of us
あ is (more) distant from both of us
ど is for questioning, what/where/etc.
this applies to sets of words which are used for different things that may be described by location
ここ is this place, そこ・あそこ are that place, どこ is where
これ is this thing
この＿ is this _
this is a loose explanation and there are others but this is all the depth you need, it's easy and you get used to it from reading and listening, not from memorizing it, just like everything else in grammar, you're reading the grammar guide to learn what to look out for not to memorize everything

[Anonymous No.]

>Keep practicing with real world examples. You'll soon get the hang of it.
-Kim
What a great guy.

[Anonymous No.]

tyler kim what a guy

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>>19298477
Just do whatever jamal says, you'll be fluent within a week.

[Anonymous No.]

thats right within a week

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone recognize this shit?
Not even radicals search is helping me decipher it.

[Anonymous No.]

構

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEo87oaQXZY

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298877
How can one man have such good taste in music? I think this perfectly fits the thread. Our god is merciful.
Praise jamalsama.

[Anonymous No.]

i didnt post that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298877
has any アメリカ人 ever learned this much japanese before

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>>19299025
his japanese is actually awful it just sounds ok to the unknowing

i prolly shouldnt say that since im the one who brought king miyachi to djt but oh well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEo87oaQXZY#t=128

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>>19299025
I don't think so, considering he only managed learned it because he's special and has the gift of having japanese genes. If you don't have japanese genes you might as well give up right now on learning nihongo because it's impossible for you.

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>>19299031
Is it just me or are those subtitles completely fucked up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299036
jamal wrote them for him what do you think

[Anonymous No.]

if i was gonna write his subtitles i woulda wrote his lyrics too lol

[Anonymous No.]

yeah i guess thats true the song wouldve been nihongo wakarimasen instead lol no lol

[Anonymous No.]

idgi

[Anonymous No.]

one more thing you dont get lol

[Anonymous No.]

i got all i need

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298167
A. what the fuck does this have to do japanese.

B. I read these books as a small child

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299063
if you read the convo leading up to animorphs time youd understand that they are basically the same thing as the light novellas from nippwn many of you boys aspire to consume in the future

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that you don't need the guide, anki or anything but jamalsama.
He is the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299063
guess that's why you're a friendless autist
it all starts with habits

[Anonymous No.]

you dont need me

you need yourself

[Anonymous No.]

y'all need jesus

[Anonymous No.]

wa and ga are the same fuck this dumbass shit.

[Anonymous No.]

i asked jesus what the difference between ha and ga is and he told me anata ha gey

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone else read reread tae kim every few months to see what you currently understand better from exposure?

[Anonymous No.]

i cant believe those trigger fucks left gainax to make their own operation where they were allowed to make animes about girls crapping themselves

[Anonymous No.]

Can somebody please help me understand what he means by おいといて? I think he's saying to put down (おく) but I can't find any conjugations that would give this form. I can't find a definition on google either. What's going on here?

[Anonymous No.]

おいておく claims yet another fucking victim.

[Anonymous No.]

in order to answer your question and seem knowledgeable i have discreetly gotten assistance from google and apparently it means

[Anonymous No.]

俺はとてもゲイです。
俺の妹はフタ　妹のちんぽがお尻入った
だから　お尻痛いねぇ

[Anonymous No.]

おいといといといとく

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299101
So then help me out? I did actual research and I'm only asking here because I still don't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

おいててておいてく

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299111
Nah. I gave you more than enough already.
> I did actual research and I'm only asking here because I still don't get it.
One of these is a lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299111
It's just a slur of what he said
Check DoJG or HJGP for the meaning of the second おく

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299095
hes telling you what to do with the manga youre trying to read so you can work on your 10000 hours of anime with espanol subtitulos

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299123
So he's basically saying "put" and stumbling over his words? That's rather inconvenient for learning but thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299086
i read tae kim every day in a feeble attempt to understand any of the crazy shit he's talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

How does one manage to be this dense

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299130
it's not stumbling, it's a contraction like じゃねえ

[Anonymous No.]

i wanna tell her to 置いといて

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299143
Why じゃねえ and not じゃない
Do you want to confuse the beginner even more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299143
Then what is it a contraction of? 置いて is place and 置く is put, so おいといて is a combination of both?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299151
does the beginner know that じゃない is a contraction? i'm unsure which would be better to use as an example

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299155
ほっといてくれ・・

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>>19299155
wtf man... just...... like.... just...... just read the guide man...........

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299155
おいといて is a contraction of おいておいて which is a conjugation of おいておく, also おいて is put/place and おく after て form is leave, see jisho

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299162
I have been. Nothing like this has come up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299169
https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%81%8A%E3%81%8F

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299168
Jesus. This is gonna be harder than I thought. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

i wish i were like gon and could sacrifice my life energy to learn nihongo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299168
what the fuck? why would you retards recommend that manga if it's got weird slang that's hard to look up and understand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299204
>retards
Big talk coming from someone who got mentally assraped by おいておく

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299210
That's some other troll, you are easily baited m8. In my defense, I would have never figured out all of this shit >>19299168 at my current level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299204
when i read it i googled おいといて and figured it out
i agree that it's imperfect because of slang but i don't think that this is an example of why and i also think it doesn't matter that much because it's not that excessive and it has a lot of patterns that aren't too hard to pick up
also some level of slang is unavoidable because it implies a casual tone and you're not going to find easy material for natives that is always polite and formal

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299204
Maybe because people assume beginners have google

[Anonymous No.]

nice avatar on your google account you fuckin weeb

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299215
heres the epic secret you dont have to know any of that shit if you just know nihongo intuitively which you can begin down the path of that by watching 10000 hours of anime subbed in your native language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299231
fuck off cunt, I don't even use google plus or any of that dumb shit so who cares

[Anonymous No.]

mina, yamete fighting kudasai

[Anonymous No.]

Listen, its clear you haven't accepted your one true god yet, jamalsama
Don't you even want to learn nihongo? Why sin in this manner? Everything he says is truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299250
ill be waiting for you dude 放課後

あの丘で

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299171
Not him but where is the link to this page? I did not find it browsing https://djtguide.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299260
hooly fuck you can't possibly be this much a lazy cunt dude.......

[Anonymous No.]

this general is actually monkeys

[Anonymous No.]

its the dawn of a new era boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cthodeMZSnQ

[Anonymous No.]

well the good news is im sure some crazy german doctor has taught japanese to a monkey before so were all in luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299269
hooooly fuck wow i guess i am
>>leddit

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>>19299279
I was gonna say that's impossible but there's over 59 monkeys learning japanese posting in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

I'm participating on a Japan exchange program, and I just found out that the person I hosted will be hosting me when I go there. What is a good way to say how are you, and that we will be meeting in 3 weeks? My knowledge of Japanese is very limited by the way, so please give me something basic.

[Anonymous No.]

actually scratch the alfee one i feel like its more like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U293wYs9cQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299317
お前わもう死んでる would be the best way to communicate that, while also staying basic enough to where he won't expect too much from you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19295792
and here's a cute short story about a girl misunderstands 草 with 臭い
because her crush said it irl.

https://ncode.syosetu.com/n0165eh/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299343
That translates to "You are already dead" on Google Translate. This is serious stuff so only genuine answers, please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299317
say お体大丈夫ですか and then tilt your head down to look at their groin (this is how you bow properly)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299368
Google translate is not to be trusted, the program is horrible. Anything more than 1 or 2 words will be translated incorrectly. The actual translation is roughly: "(have you been) Doing well? We are meeting in three weeks, (already)." Using polite forms.

[Anonymous No.]

google translation actually pretty good

its at least better than the average djter

[Anonymous No.]

For every katakana I learn I forget one hiragana, wat do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299448
just keep going, it gets easier when you start kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19296859
You aren't advanced if you have a fucked up accent shitskin. Also using strange words in place of ones normal people use does not mean your vocabulary is large, it means you're bad at that language.

[Anonymous No.]

remember, kanjidamage is the only path to fluency!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299453
This. You can also use this https://realkana.com/katakana/ , and consider making a long list of simple words in kana. Reading them in the context of full words can make them stick in memory better than reading them in isolation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299478
This looks great. Thanks for reminding us of it!

[Anonymous No.]

I think we need to retire the word fluency. It can just be Jamalsama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299095
>>/jp/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=%22%E3%81%8A%E3%81%84%E3%81%A8%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6%22
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/%E3%81%8A%E3%81%84%E3%81%A8%E3%81%84%E3%81%A6/

>>19299124
>manga youre trying to read
He can try all he wants but he won't read it because manga is not reading.

[Anonymous No.]

おはよう

むっちゃはやいし

くうきちがう

なにかあったの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299647
It's not surprising people are having issues with that. Actually, I'm having a lot of issues with Yotsuba when it comes to contractions and stuff. It's not as straightforward as I'd have liked it to be.

[Anonymous No.]

Feel free to call me a moron because I'm definitely feeling like one right now.

For the Anki Core deck, am I expected to learn the words myself beforehand? Because I've been doing it for a while now it feels weird hitting "Good" for something I don't know at all and don't remember when it shows up again.

[Anonymous No.]

I know what AJATT is, but what's RATTATA?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299654
あれは長い今北産業のつもり?

まあ、/int/のDJTがなかなか立てられないので

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299699
You shouldn't know the kanji. Use another deck for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>浮遊大陸の岬の突端に位置した城は、一方向からしか攻めることができない
>Because the fortress was located on the very edge of the floating continent, it was possible to attack it only from one direction
why is it able to attack from one direction if it says できない at the end?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299863
I mean the words themselves and their definitions. So not crap like on and kun readings, but rather the fact that 人 = "person".

What I mean is, is Anki meant for learning the definitions, or more for memorizing them once I've already learned them somewhere else? Because as it right now, I'm not getting a lot out of it because I only see the word briefly and forget it when it shows up again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299880
Anki is a program which you use decks to study anything you want. If you're asking whether the core 2k deck is meant for learning definitions, the answer is yes. Of course, this should be supplemented with other readings (especially early on you should be reading a lot about grammar). But the words being introduced on the cards are supposed to be new at first, and learned through repetition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299898
Oh okay, that perfectly answers my question. Thanks a lot!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299742
read all the time and take amphetamines

[Anonymous No.]

ever since I've been able to start reading things reasonably well beyond NHK EASY level (think IGN Japan and the like), here's been my strategy.

>read through an article, noting which words/kanji I didn't know or had trouble with (on average maybe 4-7 an article).
>make a flash card for each unknown word
>drill them a few times while reading other articles and things
>go back to that first article and read it again
>miss words, review more
>eventually "get" the words and the idea

This has been far more effective than drilling the words in pure isolation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300161
this is a reddit repost

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299871
You missed しか.

[Anonymous No.]

Somebody asked about は particle but I'm confused about とは
Is it like は but with with emotional things?
たとえば、人生とは負けるもの?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300212
thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298467
>sunk cost if you used it
>speaking from ignorance if you didn't
Did you even think about this before posting?
You don't have to use something to recognize that it's not as bad as something else.

[Anonymous No.]

the only way to learn nihongo is to live with the nihonjin

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300252
とは is for defining things
ケーキとはなんですか = what is a cake
or it is simply used instead of と

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300362
#Blessed #Jamalsama

[Anonymous No.]

kill em with love

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299699
Well why are you clicking 'good' on a word you don't know? I don't learn words beforehand and I don't see why you should because you'll pick it up either through Anki or through reading. If you see a completely unfamiliar word, click 'again' until you can read it and then see a few days later if you haven't forgotten it.

>>19300161
>reading is better than cramming words out of context

Stop the fucking presses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300107
I've heard this, but....does it really work? Read and mining words? Also, what apps do you use to keep the mined words. Sorry for noobs question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300432
what is this creature

[Anonymous No.]

>>19298854
構（え）
This is actually pretty good writing compared to what you'd see in other situations. You just can't read kanji, probably because you use your computer too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300578
>apps

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300386
>とは is for defining things
そんなウソを吐く人がいるとは！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299204
>weird slang
contractions that occur in everyday spoken japanese, which you would recognize and understand if you bothered to do even a minute of listening**

[Anonymous No.]

nihongo defense force at work

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300664
It really boggles the mind how people consider obligatory contractions to be slang. Really. It's like when ESLs who learn English for academic purposes refuse to use contractions ever, and come off as extremely aggressive as a result.

[Anonymous No.]

When someone asks me how many items do I hate, how do I say "about x items" or "around x items", because i'm uncertain of the actual number?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300653
It's true though. Although generally when you see とは　or　には it's simply in place of と or に (and not は like the other anon was saying) to keep the meaning in addition to demarcating the subject.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300692
yeah I know, but I'm making sure the other anon knows that とは does not always mean というのは otherwise he might come back asking why something like セクハラあったとは言えない

and in addition I wanna point out that というのは doesnt always define things... というの（は・も） at the beginning of sentences means a completely different thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300712
You don't to tell someone everything up front, especially beginners, just give them a starting point so they can work it out themselves. Otherwise it is too much information and there's no way to retain it all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300687
>production

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300687
Basically you say
わたしはゲイ
You can stress the amount with a flamboyant accent and obnoxious loudness, good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300742
Use 僕 for bonus points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300729
okay but you oversimplified things to the point of being misleading

[Anonymous No.]

"it usually means '... means ...' but can also just be a combination of particles"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299880
>>19299898
is this the state of djt right now
anki means memorize
anki is for memorization
anki is not for learning
we've known since supermemo that srs is bad for learning, it is for reinforcing things you've already been exposed to
of course that doesn't stop everyone from trying and complaining that they can't learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck do they do this shit?
Like properly add furigana into half of the text and then have random sections that have smaller print with fuck all.
It's annoying as hell.

[Anonymous No.]

After how many volumes of yotsubato should I move onto something else? I'm understanding almost 80% having to look stuff up. I just don't know if there's a pace I should follow or if I have to find it myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300320
not only did i think about this before posting, i've actually even thought about the reasoning you're using
i know this will blow your fucking mind but what seems to be a good idea from thinking about something may in fact turn out to be a bad idea from experience
just because it looks prettier and is more organized doesn't mean it's a better approach
trusting your intuition works sometimes and other times it is dangerous

[Anonymous No.]

things anki is good for:
- "learning" the first hundred or so words before learning them for real by reading, because your brain needs to get used to recognizing japanese words in the first place
- retaining the first thousand or two words when you still read too slowly to be exposed to them regularly
- artificially padding your vocabulary to make upper-intermediate reading teach you more (because you can read harder stuff without raising the affective filter)
- learning straightforward jargon that you already know in your native language as an advanced learner

>>19300767
if you started with one and then switched to the other then your experience can't be generalized from. which one came first and which one came second affects which one "worked" better fo ryou

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300755
It's like children's television, they add some extra stuff that will go over the kids' heads that is aimed at the adults to keep them interested. Furigana shit is for kids, side comments for adults.

[Anonymous No.]

Man, if you want to do RTK just shut up and do it. Why do you have to be here every day and shitpost about it? Don't you have Kanji to learn? Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300767
I know - personally - tons of people who did RTK and never learned Japanese in any reasonable period of time, and a couple people who did KKLC and did. It's not just my "intuition".

[Anonymous No.]

You'll never be able to read adult content if you don't do RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

Kanji damage is better than RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300772
sure, the knowledge is imperfect, but i think it's reasonable to say i have a better idea of what was a good idea and what was a bad idea within it than if i had never touched it
considering i switched to a "worse" resource i was clearly unhappy with the one that i too thought would be "better"
i stand by the statement that you should just use neither, especially in the beginning, so i'll leave it at that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300787
You (don't know|aren't studying|can't learn) Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300790
and that's saying something
>>19300793
it's not "imperfect", it's downright unusable
knowing more japanese makes resources easier to learn from, period

[Anonymous No.]

die retards

[Anonymous No.]

When you look at successful AJATTers and it turns out they did RTK, that's sampling on the dependent variable.

When you look at random Japanese learners and shittons of the failures did RTK, that's an unbiased selection.

[Anonymous No.]

誰か！私に日本語を教えるください！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300808
okay now say it in english so it's not grammatically wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300800
probably at half of the people who do either book originally tried some shitty mobile app for a couple months already anyway before being intimidated and thinking that they had to do this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300764
legit question here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300812
source: reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300817
i don't know if you know this but there are a lot more idiots trying to learn japanese than in this thread
and yet it applies to this thread as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300810
>Who? To me, do Japanese learning, please!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300815
once it stops being interesting and something else would be more compelling to read
>>19300820
yes I was saying the people you're talking about are reddit tier and aren't going to get anywhere good no matter what they do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300764
1

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

You guys want me to tell you the secret to learning japanese?
Stop shitposting and do anki and read.
You're welcome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300831
"resential"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300831
what does resential mean? does it cause resent?

[Anonymous No.]

rtk is
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[Anonymous No.]

>>19300831
This is the average RTK user

[Anonymous No.]

It causes you to eternally be an obnoxious shitposter on an English image board that procrastinates the mind numbing task of learning English keywords. Having never read word of Japanese they suffer a tremendous feeling of inferiority and worthlessness, their only choice is clinging to scam artists and bottle pissers telling them they are the REAL JAPANESE LEARNERS. Indeed, it makes them resentful of people actually learning Japanese, reading Japanese texts and consuming Japanese media. You might say, they are resential.

[Anonymous No.]

resential; adjective
definition: obscure coinage; based on "resented" and "demential"

[Anonymous No.]

Is genki the reddit way? Why is is so shit?

[Anonymous No.]

Stop bullying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300895
Genki is bad because language learning textbooks are bad. Genki is probably the least bad textbook, but you can't fix a broken formula.

>>19300902

[Anonymous No.]

wheres all my ゲイ nakama tachis at

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299775
ありがとうおにいちゃん

おふろー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300895
textbooks for classes are unsurprisingly for classes
in addition to the fact that they are not made for self-study, they are modeled after the schedule of a language learning class, which focuses on learning to speak with basic grammar as fast as possible at the expense of pushing your comprehension skills further ahead
it is natural for your comprehension skills to be very far ahead of your production skills, but it doesn't look good for a class to have students that have studied for 3-6 months and can only introduce themselves, so they make a trade-off of not pushing comprehension as hard
it's easier to correct your speech when your comprehension is high than when you know nothing about the language, in my opinion

[Anonymous No.]

おふろがあつい

たいへん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299473
You're confused. Nobody's talking about someone fucking up their wording. We're talking about someone who is overall more competent except they have an accent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19299699
I'm confused. You're hitting "Good" even when you don't remember the word?

[Anonymous No.]

Just hit "hard" every time. Anki is only good for exposition anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm basically 70% done with a VN core 1200~1300 deck, I'm just down to fixing part of speech tagging for verbs and then later adding example sentences with audio ripped from VNs. I know enough Japanese that I don't need this at all, but Core is so bad that I feel like it's probably a net positive to spend a couple days on this.

[Anonymous No.]

>商品
>賞品
Why do they have to be like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301035
Why do you think someone is somehow smarter because they know two languages? It doesn't take a shred of intelligence to learn a language, just exposure. It's why retarded mexicans can understand english sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301045
make it 1000 and stop and you'll have done god's work
we don't need people using premade decks for more than 1000 words

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300807
>and shittons of the failures did RTK
Per capita? You're absolutely certain there are more failures who have done RTK than any other resource, proportionately? I call bullshit. But yea, who cares what a bunch of low IQ incompetent failures did. It's better to judge a learning process off of someone whose intelligence is comparable to your own (based matt).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301062
t. EOP
can't even follow a fucking conversation but feels offended anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301066
I went up to 1250 because frequency lists aren't perfect. That's the point I cut it off at though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301062
That wasn't even implied? I said "advanced" non-native speakers. Most Mexicans are a perfect example of someone bilingual being retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300860
>Indeed, it makes them resentful of people actually learning Japanese, reading Japanese texts and consuming Japanese media. You might say, they are resential.
are you sure? i've been doing RTK and i don't resent any of you. except the most consistent shitposters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301072
I'm referring to >>19296859 and posts like it. I'm sick of third world retards trying to act superior when their only claim to fame is knowing their shitty mud language and then being forced to learn english because their own language is trash. All while posting on an english image board created by an american. If you're so superior go post on one of your multi lingual potato chans. Oh wait you can't because they're all ghost houses and flooded with cp. You're a fat leech shit talking it's master because you feel bad about being a leech.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301103
Damn that was ownage

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301103
I'm a native English speaker.
In this post:
>>19296859
I'm talking about advanced non-native speakers of any language surpassing natives in everything but accent. Happens quite a bit in academics. My point is that those who say you can never reach native level of another language as an adult are wrong. You just have to be smart enough and immerse. No idea why you took that as some brag about the superiority of all ESLs, particularly when I acknowledged the stupidity of Mexicans for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301103
most people i've heard voice the opinion that being proficient in multiple languages makes you smarter are american but i like your fire, it's cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301117
As a native English speaker who actually has a high academic competence in the language, I guarantee you that most "better than native" foreign speakers of English as an academic language have much worse grammar than natives.

[Anonymous No.]

Brainlet here. Whenever I encountered new kanji, I look up it in jisho to see how the meaning varied when combined with other kanji, additionally I learned new words aside from what I already recognized from watching anime. This way also helped me to get a feeling which reading is more frequently used.

Am I doing it right or this just autism and I'm only damaging my brain cells?

[Anonymous No.]

>As a native English speaker who actually has a high academic competence in the language
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301126
Did you do some sort of a research on the topic or is it just anecdotal? Have those "better than native" people you're referring to "learned" the language in an academic environment or naturally?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301117
>I'm talking about advanced non-native speakers of any language surpassing natives in everything but accent.
Do a google search for "An European" and tell me advanced non-native speakers surpass anyone who isn't a 3 year old child.

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>>19301125
Gee I wonder why that would be put out on only "american" studies and media. Really makes you think.

>>19301117
>No idea why you took that as some brag about the superiority of all ESLs
Probably because it happens all the time.

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>>19301146
That's an incredibly simple fix. If people are making that mistake they just don't care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301153
If they're making that mistake their intuitive understanding of a language is behind that of a native child.

[Anonymous No.]

i haven't consumed basically anything in 6months~ yet continuing to do my reps

have you had a long period of no interest like this? how to make it come back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301154
>intuitive
Sure, which has to be overcome with their big adult brain. There's plenty who don't make mistakes like that though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301167
They're probably making other mistakes that out them as non-natives. If you can't intuit a very simple rule about the most common word in the English language then what hope do you have at sounding natural with everything else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301182
>then what hope do you have at sounding natural with everything else?
Not much else because clearly they haven't exposed themselves to enough of the language. But you specifically referenced ESLs who can't intuit this rule. I have conversed with many ESLs who don't make mistakes like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301182
It's not actually a grammatical mistake, with the way some people pronounce Europe, "an" is appropriate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301136
that's the right way to word that in academic speak

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301200
Did you actually try googling it? You'll find thousands of articles written by otherwise well-educated professionals and academics who must have immersed for tens of thousands of hours.

>>19301202
Who pronounces Europe like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301163
read more

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>>19301134
when i was starting out i found that i could usually fix leeches by learning some other words using the same kanji with the same reading for it
i don't think you should branch out too far and you might be better off waiting to see if it's hard for you first, but that itself seems pretty logical to get the new kanji or new reading to stick faster

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>>19301145
Both. I'm mostly speaking about europeans. They frequently make very basic structural mistakes when trying to combine different academic idioms, or think that completely acceptable things are grammatically wrong. A good example of the latter is the rule that, in very certain situations and registers of writing, you can use singular nouns with plural verbs, when the noun has an "amount" of one; very many ESLs that look "better than natives" by prescriptivist standards, because of their academic competence, think that this rule is wrong.

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>>19301210
>Did you actually try googling it?
Didn't have to. I know the majority of them make grammar mistakes the average native wouldn't. My point is that plenty don't. At the same time they can probably articulate a point that many average natives couldn't because they're retarded. What differentiates academics who understand when to use "an" from those who don't? The former give more of a shit.

I wonder how many ESLs are in this thread and we can't even tell if they're ESLs or just stupid natives.

[Anonymous No.]

Listen my fellow weebs

https://drive.. google. com/file/d/18xxgSydbhPOlZEVty91a09yszcfMWWr1

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301232
virus dont click

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301238
baka..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301214
Yeah, I guess I could get it done with KKLC too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301146
no one who has watched their 10000 hours of subtitles cartoons will make this mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301232
wtf i clicked this now all my anki cards are deleted

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301246
kek

[Anonymous No.]

うんちぺろっ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301228
"an" used incorrectly sounds extremely jarring to the native ear and anyone who does it cannot be said to have surpassed natives.

>The former give more of a shit.
If immersion is what it takes to reach native-level intuition then what should giving a shit matter?

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>>19301228
>What differentiates academics who understand when to use "an" from those who don't? The former give more of a shit.
this is a bad argument because the rule is incredibly simple and picking it up on an intuitive level without actually consciously knowing it is easy
>I wonder how many ESLs are in this thread and we can't even tell if they're ESLs or just stupid natives.
this, however, is the truth. people who cite incompetent ESLs as evidence that no ESL can be passable conveniently ignore the massive number of incompetent natives. which i find strange because i find incompetent natives more frustrating than incompetent ESLs.

[Anonymous No.]

>card was a leech

What's the most painless way to kill myself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301272
>anyone who does it cannot be said to have surpassed natives.
I was never talking about people who make the mistakes you're mentioning in the first place. I am referring to people who pass as native. But even still, that's really silly. It's jarring when someone makes a grammar mistake like that, and they clearly haven't acquired the language in the same way a native has. But I'd rather listen to an academic with something intelligent to say who makes mistakes like that than a native with nothing intelligent to say but makes fewer mistakes.
>If immersion
Takes immersion and giving a shit.

>>19301280
>on an intuitive level
Nobody denies that natives have a better intuitive knowledge of their language on average.
>conveniently ignore the massive number of incompetent natives.
It's important to stress this.

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>>19301280
If the number of google search results for "an European" is almost a tenth of the number of results for "a European" then it's worth bringing up. This is not just a small minority of ESLs, it's a huge number of them.

>>19301297
You cannot surpass a native without intuitive understanding.

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>>19301312
>You cannot surpass a native without intuitive understanding.
You can. Easily. You're comparing intelligent natives to intelligent foreigners. The average native is an incredible dumbass.

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>>19301315
Even the dumbasses have better English than intelligent ESLs, as evidenced by the fact that they don't make simple grammatical mistakes that even a 3 year old would catch.

[Anonymous No.]

This is the DJT I know.

[Anonymous No.]

there is no such thing as an incompetent native, you're just classist or hate people who are younger than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301320
Not true. Plenty of ESLs don't make the mistakes you've mentioned. In fact plenty of dumbass natives butcher a/an.

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>>19301329
natives exclusively fuck up a/an when drunk or when rewording things mid-sentence, never in any other situation
examples like "an historic" are because of real, valid dialectal differences in whether the initial consonant is fully silent

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301329
>In fact plenty of dumbass natives butcher a/an.
They literally never do because it's extremely jarring. If they do it's because of mistyping or misreading an edit of a text, never in spoken English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301328
Or a very insecure non-native.

[Anonymous No.]

What does "くらいに" mean in this following sentence?
>この客がうざいくらいに、この歌手のことが好き
is it common to use it like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301341
This guest, he/she likes the singer to the point of being obnoxious about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301334
>>19301338
Huh? A lot of natives just use "a" for everything.

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>>19301280
Very true. Especially when it comes to writing, actually. In spoken language it's relatively easy to recognize a foreigner who's lived in the US or UK for many years, but online? Shit, most Americans don't even know how to use 'there' and 'their' properly, even though it is extremely 'jarring' to anyone who's literate.

When it comes to spoken language it's different. The accent is not something that goes away, and even if they get the grammar down, little artefacts from their original language always sneak in. Like, my collegues from India have great English conversational skills but they forget little words like 'the' and 'a/an' every now and then.

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>>19301352
No they don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301352
on purpose, because it's cute or they're trying to appear meek/docile/childish

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301356
yes they do, just not the kind of natives you'd hang around
>>19301358
not always

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301352
That's dialectical difference. Even they would never use "an" for a /j/ sound because it's extremely jarring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301373
that's a dialect. in that dialect, that is the rule. they are speaking correctly within their dialect's grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301346
Thanks. Also, to give you the context: This is from webnovel that I read (chapter's title), it's about a boy who's working part time in konbini and he really hates this obnoxious customer (girl), which actually his favorite singer in disguise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301356
>>19301358
It's strange you've never witnessed it. I've been surrounded by people all my life who butchered a/an. Disproportionately black though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301354
>Shit, most Americans don't even know how to use 'there' and 'their' properly, even though it is extremely 'jarring' to anyone who's literate.
this is the kind of mistake that seems to be far far less common from foreigners than natives too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301379
AAVE isn't "English". It's an Anglic language. Not "English".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301377
ESLs are part of the ESL dialect. So they're speaking correctly within their dialect's grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301379
Blacks don't speak english.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301384
this is exclusively a typing issue.
>>19301387
if it's not learned as a native language it's not a language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301387
Lemme tell you bout Singlish.

[Anonymous No.]

私はとってもゲイです。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301385
Hahaha. The reason that "language" exists is because they're stupid and kept butchering English until it morphed.
>>19301391
>this is exclusively a typing issue.
But written communication is important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301400
女装と長い髪ならイイゼ～

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301405
No. AAVE diverged from upper-class colonial English. You know literally nothing about this topic. You're just racist.

[Anonymous No.]

Another theory, the presiding one in the linguistics community, however, is that AAVE did not originate from English-based creole languages that "decreolized" back into a dialect of English; rather, most linguists maintain, AAVE has always been a dialect of English. In the early 2000s, Shana Poplack provided corpus-based evidence[8][9]—evidence from a body of writing—from isolated enclaves in Samaná and Nova Scotia peopled by descendants of migrations of early AAVE-speaking groups (see Samaná English) that suggests that the grammar of early AAVE was closer to that of contemporary British dialects than modern urban AAVE is to other current American dialects, suggesting that the modern language is a result of divergence from mainstream varieties, rather than the result of decreolization from a widespread American creole.[20]

Linguist John McWhorter maintains that the contribution of West African languages to AAVE is minimal. In an interview on National Public Radio's Talk of the Nation, Dr. McWhorter characterized AAVE as a "hybrid of regional dialects of Great Britain that slaves in America were exposed to because they often worked alongside the indentured servants who spoke those dialects..." According to Dr. McWhorter, virtually all linguists who have carefully studied the origins of AAVE "agree that the West African connection is quite minor."[21]

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>>19301410
>AAVE diverged from upper-class colonial English
You say "no" but then you go on to say nothing that contradicts what I said.
>You're just racist
Sure, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301410
>racist

出た!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301417
Upper-class colonial English had all the markers that AAVE has right now. Wow, you don't even know basic English linguistic history.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301417
>>You're just racist
>Sure
that's it folks, thread's over

[Anonymous No.]

who's got an op image for the next daily english thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301421
But this has nothing to do with anything I've said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301430
It does. You just know so little about what you're talking about that you're blind.

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>>19301391
Weren't we talking about written text, though? I thought the subject was about being able to recognize an ESL on an internet forum or any other type of written text.

When it comes to speech, I'd argue that there are hardly any ESLs who you can't identify as being ESL if you speak with them for an hour. Not that this is a huge problem, since their English is probably still better and more intellegible than any 'native' Texan farmer or gas station attendant or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301426

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>>19301435
sorry dude, meant to quote >>19301354 the same way you did

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>>19301432
It doesn't. You're saying that bongo speech diverged earlier than what I implied, thus when I say that bongo speech is just butchered English I'm incorrect. But no, that doesn't contradict what I said. Bongo speech is still just butchered English.

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>>19301443
"Bongo speech" was spoken by white upperclass people. "They" (the people who speak it now) had nothing to do with "butchering" it because of being "stupid".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301443
it's not butchered if the details that you think are butchered were part of what it was hypothetically butchering

[Anonymous No.]

oh boy, it's another episode of "someone posts uncensored porn on a blue board and doesn't get deleted/banned"

[Anonymous No.]

dont worry im back im back its time to get this thread back on track on track

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301400
私も

[Anonymous No.]

I keep forgetting more and more with anki, but I'll make it anons. This is the first thing in my life I'm not going to quit on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301449
>"Bongo speech" was spoken by white upperclass people
No. Your contention is that bongo speech is reminiscent of colonial English because of some sort or markers/tracers. But you can listen to colonial speech and it doesn't actually sound anything like bongo speech. Apparently two more dissimilar dialects can sound more similar if their speakers are moderately intelligent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301478
It's not "reminiscent". It's the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301478
ya ain't workin' yuh noggin, ah ya? ya nigh rotten. gibbit up brutha, ya ain't shit heeuh. we be wuhkin' dis out from da staht.

[Anonymous No.]

Tyrone La'Keem says that 御 is pronounced "お" before Japanese word "ご" before Chinese words, but
> ごゆっくり
> お茶
Is it really a rule, or should I just ignore it and read more if I want to know how to use 御 correctly?

[Anonymous No.]

>But you can listen to colonial speech
Pretty sure they didn't have phonographs back then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301489
お is 和語 and ご is 漢語. Simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301489
it's a sometimes-reliable pattern with exceptions

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301490
You can listen to reconstructions. Sounds nothing like bongo. Only backs my point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301498
Link to one (1) reliable reconstruction of upper-class colonial American English as spoken in the early 1700s by British immigrants who already acquired non-rhotic pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.]

How many sentences need to be mined before I reach fluency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301500
spoiler if there are any they sound like fucking cockneys
>>19301503
none because sentence mining doesn't teach you japanese, reading does

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301503
15000 quality i+1 sentences
but not because you mined them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301503
if you mine every post about english in itt you will become hiv positive and your taint will split open (this is called opening the third eye) revealing your natural male vagina and you can finally be the futa girl of your dreams having all kinds of weird hentai sex with ethnic dudes but irl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301459
Yeah, it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301477

If you're forgetting a lot, you're doing too many new cards. Lower your amount and spend that extra time somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301529
Thanks but I'm a brainlet and only do 10 new cards a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301441
俺やっぱりゲイかも
どうしよう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301554
obviously しゃぶる a ちんこ and see how it goes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301554
抜いてから忘れて

[Anonymous No.]

ゲイになりたいと思う

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301640
僕もそう思いますね

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking weebs kys you will never be japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>caring about production this early
lol why do scrubs bother

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301666
Who the fuck wants to be Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

i do so i can pass easier

[Anonymous No.]

i do so i can be ゲイ easier

[Anonymous No.]

me

[Anonymous No.]

>2nd hour of review procrastination after waking up this morning
>gotten through 90 of my 160 reviews
>still 30 new cards to do afterwards which will take another 2 hours
>never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301702
>>still 30 new cards to do afterwards which will take another 2 hours
nani the fuck are you doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301674
see

>>19301680
>>19301689
>>19301692

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301706
RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301702
>2nd hour of review procrastination
5th day of procrastination in progress.
Guess I'll have to set new cards to zero again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301713
i repeat my question with emphasis on "fuck"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301716
maybe instead of wasting your time doing nothing you could spend it learning nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301717
it will only take an hour and a half if I don't get distracted. Then I have to listen to raw anime for an hour. Then it'll be lunch/dinner time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301723
>>19301721

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301721
What do you mean "nothing"?
I'm multitasking atm, I'm a busy guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301728
there is no such thing as multitasking

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301730
"Pseudo-multitasking", you know, like a CPU with a single core.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301728
well if youre doing other shit that matters to you then thats fuckin good too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301734
there you go

[Anonymous No.]

i'm really excited for the generation of failed mattdrones next year trying to warn newcomers of their mistakes and failing to get through to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301728
I can tell you're ESL because of the massive number of grammar mistakes you made in this post.

[Anonymous No.]

ジャマルとエッチことをしたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301735
> shit that matters
I'd say that's highly debatable, I'm going to forget all this shit once exams are over and never do it again because mechanics is not the field of mathematics I'm interested in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301742
I hope I'm exceptional and end up making it anyway, so I can lie and claim that Matt's method works even it doesn't for most people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301743
>the massive number of grammar mistakes you made in this post.
Like what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301753
well then if youre not doing shit that matters to you with your time you are fucking up bigtime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301734
then you probably realize that the cache misses make it less efficient to pseudo-multitask

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301752
you don't have to make it to lie, and you're mistaken if you think that a method can be only suited to certain people, but you can lie about that too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301760
It's not really about efficiency, I just don't want to get bored. Continuum mechanics makes me want to sleep more than any lullaby. Maybe I should do some anki instead after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301779
how do I learn math? I barely remember basic algebra.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301716
305 reviews is not too bad. just set max reviews to 100 and push through it over a few days.
things get harder when it's like 4000 reviews due, where due means 3 years ago. at that point you are probably better off just resetting all the cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301786
That's not something you should ask a math major about.
Math is something we do because we can, and you apparently can't, which is perfectly normal, but it also means my methods won't help you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301804
I actually found a lot of the language learning techniques applied well to mathematics
t. maths phd

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301812
For example?

[Anonymous No.]

Forever dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301820
depends what you are trying to do
if you need to read a bunch of papers in a field where you aren't an expert, you can use SRS for example to rapidly pick up definitions of important notation and terms
if you need to practice techniques you can apply a similar logic to take random problems of a certain type and then solve them
probably less helpful with the creative aspects of problem solving and proving theorems and things, but there's more to mathematics than just that

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that if you care about things like RTK or "reps", you haven't even started scratching the doorknob.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301742
How do you fail massive comprehensible input?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301836
matt's method isn't massive comprehensible input

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301833
That's not what you're supposed to do with a doorknob anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301400
Now this is an imouto I can get into.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301804
i suppose you wouldn't be more capable of giving advice to someone who had no problem with the calc series but couldn't push through analysis shit? i thought i liked math and then i wasn't sure anymore but some days i want to learn some

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301836
the only comprehensible input in raw anime before learning basic grammar or reading anything are the same words that you picked up from watching subbed anime before you tried to learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301860
good post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301845
It is though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301852
Maybe if you explain what "the calc series" and "analysis shit" are exactly.
You should keep in mind that I'm not an American, and our higher education is organized in a different way, we don't have these "<subject> 101", "Calc I", "Calc II", etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301867
it's not though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301869
>4036 minus 2018
>not being american
Do you enjoy being a commie faggot or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301860
I'm reading Tae Kim alongside watching raw anime. Still don't understand jack shit though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301867
>5 months before touching tae kim
Don't listen to anything this guy says.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301833
rtk isn't magic but if you are serious you need to learn kanji one way or another
in my case I modified my approach to rtk in the following way:
>I split rtk into subsets of size 250, from the most common kanji to the least common (by several frequency sources), with their component sub-kanji included
>I also wrote some software to sensibly generate unique japanese keywords for most kanji e.g. 若 = young / [わか]い (where [] is for furigana)
>I studied the first two subsets (500 kanji) and their included sub-kanji (another 200) or so in about 5 weeks
>I then took sentences from core etc that only used those 700 kanji and began studying them with n+1 for vocab
>while doing vocab I continued working on the next subsets of rtk
scaffolds well, focuses on most common and important kanji first while still maintaining the logic of learning radicals/components and mnemonics to put them together, and allows you to start on native content considerably sooner

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301889
That's cool. It's not RTK though.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301892
why not? I still used most of his english keywords and used the koohii rtk page for many of my mnemonics

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301896
Poor guy's gonna get lung cancer

[Anonymous No.]

Step 1: Learn the hiragana/katakana. Not to mastery. To each kana having an identity in your mind.
Step 2: Skim Tae Kim and/or Sakubi. Right Now!
Step 3: Start reading. Reference both Tae Kim and Sakubi (they both have their problems) while reading to retain what they taught you. This is the point where you should start doing occasional passive listening practice if you never listen to Japanese music and haven't watched tons of subbed anime. It's important to build phonemic awareness early on.
Step 4: Do this for a while then start mining. Focus on words you recognize but have a hard time remembering the reading or meaning of without looking them up.
Step 5: Once you Tae Kim and Sakubi stop being useful, start looking things up in DOJG and HJGP instead, and google. This is also the point where you should start doing active listening practice.
Step 6: Do this for two years and you will "know Japanese".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301889
the japanese keywords use a まる symbol as a placeholder but for some reason cripple-chan stripped it out of my post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301907
>Once you Tae Kim and Sakubi stop being useful
Once you feel like*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301889
You're missing the point. It doesn't matter how you "learn kanji", because anything you do before you acquire a bare minimum level of literacy (and in order to acquire it) is a drop in the bucket. Do you think the guy who's majoring in math wastes his time arguing about the merits of long division?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301875
Don't enjoy, but I don't really have a choice right now.
Maybe in 4 years. Can you recommend a good Northern state for a programmer / mathfag?
Anything south of Ohio won't do, the summer heat will kill me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301910
○
◎
●

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301917
just my luck it stripped the one that I used

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301889
NukeMarine is that you?
>I also wrote some software
Nah you're too smart to be him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301914
Lmao that was ironic america is the worst country to ever exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301913
well I tried to tackle rtk about 8 years previously and gave up because I tried to do 2000 in a row while building almost no ability to read native content. splitting it into frequency subsets made it much easier when I tried again

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301907
tldr 10000 hours of anime or your gay

[Anonymous No.]

What's tae kim's end game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301923
nukemarine definitely inspired me to think if I could come up with a better order for rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301934
getting people to know japanese I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301934
Crashing nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

next person to name drop any eceleb is getting their balls chopped off

[Anonymous No.]

Step 1: Drop learning hiragana and katakana because it's basically the baby version of the language, and it's equivalent to learning how to read, write and speak from Tommy Pickles.
Step 2: Cut straight to kanji, with the fastest way of learning the basic 3000 that you need to read a simple children's book being to print them all out and copy them by hand (pro tip: tracing them saves some time).
Step 3: Once you've done that, you're probably ready to practice speaking, so just go outside and use all the kanji you learned over the last 2 years (as per the above) by narrating your life as best you can out loud. Film it and review it daily to monitor your sick moon gainz.
Step 4: Lastly, move to Japan and teach English.

Good luck, cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301934
don't steal my meme kid i asked that a few weeks ago

[Anonymous No.]

>learn hira/kata
>start anki 6k deck along with tae kim
>After a week start mining and reading
>keep coming back to tae kim for reference
there - you now know nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

no you dont

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301869
i mean i can deal with integrals and derivatives and intuitive easy-to-visualize theorems but i suck at abstract math and proofs. i have a hard time dealing with the nuance in carefully worded definitions in comparison to numbers and geometry, which seemed hard to avoid in my amateur unguided attempt to learn more math.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301889
example card (front and back separated by divider)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301960
oh my fuckin god

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301917
so the only one that isn't shit is stripped?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301978
yeah
4chan strips anything that it thinks is an emoji, but the list is a little wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>finally done with last exam for the spring term
>want to play video games instead of read Japanese

help me should I meditate like matt does to set my mind right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301989
play video games in japanese

[Anonymous No.]

If you haven't graduated from Anki yet, you haven't even started learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301743
Your a retardet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301960
if you replace the まる with ＿ and remove everything below the stroke order font and mincho font, your cards look just like mine, except i only use words i know and i'm considering removing the english keywords.
less is more.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I'll graduate from Anki when I hit 12k words, but that won't be for a year

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301989
heres how you get your mind right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRDpl66VfEU#t=30

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301907
I'm all for read asap but doing so without at least 500-600 words into core is impossible. you can't even look up words right because of all the conjunctions and lack of spaces

[Anonymous No.]

>>19300807
and when you look at the sample size of people who got fluent at Japanese in ~2 years, you get... AJATT

[Anonymous No.]

Matt only did RTK when he was fluent, I'll also do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301907
>>19302016
I name this "The まあtt Killer"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302016
You can do that but it's optional. As long as you're accepting of being bad (which is necessary) you can "read" with however few words you want, even zero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19295520
If anyone needs the Manga from DJT, my friend and I made a torrent and are seeding it.

https://nyaa.si/view/1050331

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302018
Nobody has ever gotten fluent in japanese in 2 years, they might have gotten "fluent" though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302000
The first ESL revealed in this thread seems to type with fine grammar. Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302023
It doesn't really matter when you do RTK as long as you do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302023
Yea but he said he did LazyKanji and that it was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302037
>seems to type with fine grammar
this is dysfluent, either it's missing words or a different word than "fine" should be used

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302016
how does core solve identifying word boundaries better than reading tae kim

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302041
and he's wrong, lazy kanji is the only kind of kanji study someone who knows zero japanese should do, anything else is either pointless or too much time/effort for no extra gain

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302001
I intend to turn off my english keywords too once I am comfortable with the japanese keywords

I don't really pay any attention to the stuff below the kanji, it's more there for the first time I study it in case I am curious about a kanji and its sense or how it is actually used in common words

to help with the japanese keyword connection I also made some cards which randomly shuffle similar/easily-confused kanji - I click or tap on the correct one and it will go green

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302041
Even I know that's stupid, I'm not following him to a T

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302043
More evidence that natives fuck up grammar all the time, further weakening that moron's claim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302048
>>19302001
forgot pic related

[Anonymous No.]

DJT - ESL Grammar Thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302051
no it just means your regional variety of english has slightly different rules, which is normal and expected

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302035
Cool, thanks. I have volume 2 of 愛人, by the way. I'll upload it to mega or something when I get home.

[Anonymous No.]

stop posting and learn nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302058
Or maybe nobody phrases it the way I did and I just fucked up. Natives can fuck up all the time. Looks like my acquisition in early childhood got fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302065
all natives have slightly variations from "standard english" and in fact this is one of the things that makes them sound like natives
someone who speaks perfect "standard english" and never delves into rare, questionable, or colloquial constructions will sound very unnatural

[Anonymous No.]

恋人
愛人

how the fuck are you supposed to tell the difference between these two? Also throw 変 in the mix

Please spoonfeed me the difference between 恋 and 愛 (the meaning, I can see the radicals)

[Anonymous No.]

ESL here. Ask me anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302071
恋 is the 愛 for when you want to fuck someone

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302071
post any situation where this is a problem for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302071
first one is top hat, valentines, heart.

second one is [not sure], top hat, heart, walking legs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301947
I know, I pulled out of my /djt/ anki deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302071
愛 is platonic plus maybe romantic. 恋 is just romantic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302071
恋 romantic
愛 general

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302078
Could you please fuck off, you annoying cunt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302071
恋 is more romance, the love between the man and a woman
愛 is more general love, including the above but also the kind a parent has for their child and the kind that god has for the world etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302087
Could (you) MAYBE fuck off?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302080
refer to >>19302061
How would I know that's あいじん and not こいびと when both have the kanji for love? It's a guessing any time they show up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302071
Read more.
I don't get why no one told him that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302071
愛 can sometimes be less romantic and more familial but if you take that as a rule you'll probably misunderstand shit. kanji don't have meanings, words do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302087
Not me retard. I already dropped it even though I could keep going.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302093
by the fact that 愛 is never こい and 恋 is never あい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302105
good post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302093
nani the fuck dude theres no way to fuck that up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302110
there is when you smoke rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302093
By "kanji are just a writing system, words are how they're said and where the sounds in them come from".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302099
That's deep

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302112
so if youre not learning nihongo dont fuckin do rtk it wont make a bit of difference

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302110
>>19302105
I've never seen あいじん before, if I was reading a physical book and couldn't hover over it I'd never have even thought that it's not こいびと, which is a word I'm familiar with

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302123
if you were reading a physical book you wouldnt suck that colossally

what youd actually be doing is looking at a bunch of text you cant read pretending youre reading

please break your own delusion because then and only then is when you can start learning nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302128
>mix up two similar kanji with the same meaning
>sucking colossally

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302140
you think youre burning me but youre actually just showing how bad you are

nice self own

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302123
it's real fuckin simple dude
recognize that there are two different kanji that if you squint both look like blurs and if you did kanji study you might have associated both as "meaning" the same thing
read more so that you get a little bit more familiar with the actual shapes of them
eventually you will see 愛人 and you'll go こい--oh wait ha ha i got you you bastard you're あいじん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302140
I don't know who you're quoting, but you'd be mixing up two words, not two kanji, and 愛人 and 恋人 have different meanings, and 愛人 is not a rare word. So yeah, someone who does that probably sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301959
Abstract math is just something you need to get used to. Most of the advanced stuff can't possibly be visualized.
Also, you can't just study calculus, because all fields of "basic" higher math are interdependent.
Start with linear algebra (groups, rings, fields, vector spaces, linear operators), analytic geometry (everything up to quadratic curves and surfaces) and calculus (functions of several variables, double and triple integrals).
Our professor decided Riemann integration was lame (the one typically taught in schools, when you indefinitely approximate a function with rectangles or their n-dimensional equivalents) and taught us the headache that is Lebesgue integration, but most of our other teachers said it was totally unnecessary for us newfags, so don't do that if you don't want to.
Also consider studying some mathematical logic (set theory, ZFC, first-order logic, Peano arithmetic and that meme theorem all pseudo-philosophers love and very few actually understand - Goedel's of incompleteness).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302150
I'm not a neckbeard that only reads eromanga

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302155
yeah you read animorphs instead because you can understand it

[Anonymous No.]

t. lowercase shitposter-kun

[Anonymous No.]

Animorphs is sick though

[Anonymous No.]

go to reddit if you want your safe space bubble boy posting world im not shit posting im telling you what you need to hear

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302173
animorphs is sick

some kids tried to go super saiyan i just wanted to morph

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck is this mess?

[Anonymous No.]

lol hide behind anonymity faggot you're just acting smug I could make 10 posts insulting myself and nobody would know it's me

[Anonymous No.]

「……好きだよ……愛してる」
「うるさい、私の方が好きに決まってるでしょ……バカ……んっ、んんー……ちゅ、ちゅ、ちゅ」
What is going on here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302191
2 japanese teenagers licking each others eyeballs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302191
You'll understand when you're older

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302195
by the way this wasnt random this is a real thing look it up gaijins

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302207
wtf I'm eating man..........

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302218
thats on you dude

what are you having for dinner

[Anonymous No.]

what's the japanese term for black actor (jav)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302207
These fucked up Japs. Of all the balls they could be licking they chose eyeballs, what's wrong with them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302225
you're mom

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302232
i hope you like the taste of ashes and soot

[Anonymous No.]

>Expressing the opposite of 「だけ」 with 「ばかり」
how the fuck are they different

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302228
that's kinda like a late reaction since that shit already ended like years ago, but I'll add it to my unsuspecting gaijin overreacting folders

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302249
What's the difference between only and nothing but

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302249
だけ expresses that everything is something, ばかり expresses that there's a lot of something and none of anything else

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302251
teens are still getting eye infections right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302256
only difference I see is in the intention of the speaker, nothing but (ばかり) is accusing someone of something
do I understand it right?
dake = you only play video games
bakari = you're always playing video games...!

>>19302267
yeah i dont get that part of Tae Kim

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302269
your mom also got an eye infection when I came in her eyes
you're lucky she didn't go blind otherwise she wouldn't be able to make your succulent tendies anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302277
shes ashes in a jar dude i just fuckin said this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302267
intended at >>19302256

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302145
I wouldn't have mixed them if I knew あいじん was a word in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

heres how you can remember it just take the g off of what you are

gaijin

[Anonymous No.]

yo, what the fuck is the negative imperative of ます?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302321
ないで下さい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302321
yo, what the fuck is negative imperative

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302303
by the way if anyone can do this post accurately in nihongo without using any english letters i will recognize you as the true king of djt and leave this thread in your capable hands and never return

this is your once in a lifetime opportunity

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302324
nah, that's not it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302321
you dont speak in imperatives in polite speech...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302333
ほら簡単に覚えられるような方法を教えようお前が何かをローマ字で書いてそいつからジーの字を外すだけだ

外人

now fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302337
You mean ます like 増す?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302333
覚えての方ではあなたが何でいると子音の消して
外人

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302358
like マス

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302367
マスをするな then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302342
Well, there's ませ/まし, so who knows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302380
Yeah but you don't know what those mean so they have nothing to do with the conversation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302390
t. dictionary worm

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302396
are you seriously criticising me for knowing more japanese than you

[Anonymous No.]

"knowing"

[Anonymous No.]

haha that's a nice comeback dude you really got me, I actually don't know japanese at all lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302321
ますなかれ

[Anonymous No.]

I know

[Anonymous No.]

黙ってください、クソバカ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302352
日本語お上手ですね

でもそれだけじゃ全然足りない

>>19302363
爆笑


次のチャレンジャーは誰になるのか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301045
Done cleaning everything up. Going to figure out how to do example sentences now.
https://pastebin.com/raw/qK8bx9wU

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301045
Finally someone is fixing the retardation that was newspaper core.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302433
覚える方法は己の本質に含んだだろう
gaijinってg抜きで書いたら済む

[Anonymous No.]

> あっ
in general are you supposed to read stuff like this as ああ or should be an abrupt short sound?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302466

Would it be possible when this is done to provide a deck that excludes core vocab so those that started with core can still get something out of this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302487
Everything in this list is so incredibly common that if you read at any real length you'd learn it anyway, even if Core didn't teach it to you.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else finds sexual innuendos in their moege at all times? Or is it just my perverted mind?
like, I know that the devs are tempting us, but the mc in game will not realize.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302333
えーと本日は愛人という言葉を簡単に覚える必殺技を紹介したいと思います
まずはあなたのこと、すなわち外人という名詞のがをカ行からア行へ音便させて、すると、なんとあいじんとなります！
じゃあ今日はここまでにしておきます
参考になれば幸いです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302433
i expect 先生 to grace us with wisdom when competition comes to a close

[Anonymous No.]

why do these Japanese threads bring such toxic scum? is it that learners of Japanese are insufferable faggots on the internet?

[Anonymous No.]

So the girl says "could it be that you don't want my cooking?"
and he replies
「いや、そんなことは！　先輩の料理が食べられるなら光栄です！　けど……無理はしないでいいですよ？」
I don't get that last part,
>無理はしないでいいですよ？」
Is he basically saying "if it's not unreasonable, go for it(it's good)?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302035

So we now know about the recently updated list. We'll see about a 1.1TB torrent, but it's starting to look less feasible if it keeps getting updated. Our goal is simply the preservation of Japanese media, mainly manga and VNs which are becoming harder to find digitally (anime and LNs seem taken care of). Ideally we'd find a way to get all these series on animebytes or something so they can stay seeded, as well as archiving them in a few places.

Seems like you guys are ahead of the game, though. If you want any assistance, my discord is:
Vladz0r
#1736

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302551
Don't forget off the internet too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302554
He's saying she doesn't have to force herself to cook for him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302551
Yeah, that's why I never go to /jp/ meetings cause I'd just punch everyone in the face

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302522
Jamal retired on suicide watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302556
You can make a script that migrates from one massive torrent to another. TLMC does so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302554
https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E7%84%A1%E7%90%86%E3%82%92%E3%81%99%E3%82%8B

[Anonymous No.]

>ううん in my native language means yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302612
that's okay, うーん means yes too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302612
Fuck off frog

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302612
Finnish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302556
I wouldn't mind uploading stuff on AB. Could maybe write a script to check what's already uploaded, but I'm not 100% sure how exactly their scrape.php works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302628
No, that means anal pain in Finnish.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19302577
i actually have my farewell post ready for next thread no joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302734
thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302734
>farewell post
why is this a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302155
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302734
yametekudasai

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302734
出て行って下さい

[Anonymous No.]

やめませ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301766
>and you're mistaken if you think that a method can be only suited to certain people
Even Matt says AJATT is not for everyone and you have to have specific personality and frame of mind to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

There's nothing wrong with AJATT. I learned English through AEATT and it worked splendidly.

[Anonymous No.]

there's no rtk or tae kim for english so you didn't do whatever matt is shilling

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302941
Did you do almost 24/7 listening of gibberish or did you just do just play games and watch shows? Cause the latter is not AJATT if you don't also do passive listening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302947
There is RTK, you're just done after a day or two.

[Anonymous No.]

that's extremely not rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302950
It's all gibberish until you understand it, innit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19301887
To be fair he does say those are just estimates and you can finish any of those steps before the estimate time and move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302971
Anything that "estimates" studying BASIC GRAMMAR at five months is completely fucking worthless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302918
>even matt
daaaamn, the authoritative figure has spoken
but i wasn't talking about personality or mindset, i was talking about if it is a working method assuming that you stick to it, which it either is or it isn't, regardless of what kind of brain is in your skull.
i mean learning japanese is not for everyone either, if we're going to talk about mindset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302967
Correct, except my emphasis wasn't on that phrase wasn't on gibberish but on the passive listening. You if you haven't done that then you've just simply done immersion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302971
to be fair he says to finish rtk and watch anime before touching tae kim and that's what is relevant
also reminder that matt and all of his friends who are worse than him at japanese did not actually do rtk and listen to incomprehensible input before learning any japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302986
Ask Matt if only doing active listening can be AJATT. He'll say yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303013
matt isn't an authority on ajatt and also matt's method isn't ajatt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302986
And what exactly would qualify as "passive listening"? This all seems horribly vague.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303002
>and listen to incomprehensible input
The bulk of what they listened to was still incomprehensible you retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303023
Don't post in bad faith.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303025
You too. Don't post in bad faith.

[Anonymous No.]

why do u fags suck matts dick so much? anyone can reach his level with 7 years of no life studying the language in his room.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303016
>matt isn't an authority on ajatt
He is. In fact he's THE authority now that Khatz is gone.
>>19303023
Having audio playing 24/7 but only somewhat paying attention to it.
>>19303029
That's not bad faith. You always make this criticism toward Matt and his friends and it's incredibly disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303033
It's bad faith.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303033
>>matt isn't an authority on ajatt
>He is.
He's not.
>In fact he's THE authority now that Khatz is gone.
That doesn't mean anything and also it doesn't make him an authority.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303025
if any of it more complicated than 先輩 and おいしい was comprehensible then there was a gain from doing so
that is not the case for what he recommends to beginners

[Anonymous No.]

Is Matt in control of the AJATT website?
No?
Then he can't define what AJATT is.
It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.]

do I have to directly quote the ajatt website at these people again or can i simply say "ajatt is a pile of delusional garbage written by someone with bad japanese, the only good parts of which are a direct ripoff of antimoon, and which constantly says things contradictory to what matt's followers say about ajatt"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303050
But he recommends that beginners look up words they hear frequently. Not to mention he tells people to read AJATT and antimoon, meaning he expects people to employ techniques talked about there.

>>19303051
Khatz said that AJATT isn't a set method. Guess that proves everyone is an authority, thus Matt is an authority.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303061
>Khatz said that AJATT isn't a set method.
specifically in the context of "I can change it at any time whenever I think of a new terrible meme"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303061
>>19303067
What exactly is the AJATT (“All Japanese All The Time”) method? That question doesn’t have a short — or permanent — answer. Nor, in my opinion, should it. Why? Because it’s always evolving, and people always need clarification.

AJATT.com — that’s this site — has grown quite a bit over the years, from its humble beginnings in 2006 to its arrogant, bombastic, decadent present. Over that time, a lot has been written and said. And more is still being written and said right now — it’s what the geeks call an “open canon”. I’m writing and saying this as we speak right in front of your face . 1

So what?

Easy now. We’re getting there.

[Anonymous No.]

AJATT is actually officially picture related. Would you look at that.

http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/about/overview-page/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303071
Damn, Khatz himself confirms that the people accusing Matt of peddling something that "isn't AJATT" are wrong. Awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303071
Wow, it's exactly like >>19303067 said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303084
>>19303085
you don't even know english
he specifically says that he's the one writing ajatt
"open canon" doesn't mean that just anyone can add to the "canon", it means that the canon is being expanded (i.e. it's not fixed)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303085
Isn't it great? What kind of asshole pretends to know the perfect method that never needs updating. AJATT continues to just shit all over its haters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303092
>What kind of asshole pretends to know the perfect method that never needs updating
me
it's called "read all the time and take amphetamines"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303090
>he specifically says that he's the one writing ajatt
But he never says that AJATT is defined by what he writes...

[Anonymous No.]

I thus define AJATT as doing RTK three times a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303098
you have reading comprehension problems. that or you're seriously acting in bad faith right now.
>Because it’s always evolving
>AJATT.com — that’s this site — has grown quite a bit over the years
>Over that time, a lot has been written and said. And
>And more is still being written and said right now
>I’m writing and saying this as we speak right in front of your face .

[Anonymous No.]

I thus define AJATT as as doing genki for five years then having a tutor translate your english into japanese for another five years

[Anonymous No.]

I thus define AJATT has doing exactly the opposite of whatever Matt says to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303105
But again, none of that implies that AJATT is defined by what he writes. I'm guessing you're ESL?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303127
>I'm guessing you're ESL?
nope, you're just retarded
have fun pretending you're not wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303136
No need to be so hostile man. I think I'm right but it's not that important.

[Anonymous No.]

what's the difference between この and こちら when used in such a context:
>こちらの席へどうぞ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303141
accusing someone of being ESL because you disagree with them is extremely hostile dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303061
yeah, like 先輩 and おいしい and some fucking nouns, that isn't progress, if you skim tae kim and read more then this will be actually beneficial to you, otherwise it's a waste of your fucking time and the best he can defend it with is "well you're learning what japanese SOUNDS like lol that's an important thing to spend 4 months on because it's not like you'll be doing that for years"
>>19303084
this is some next-level bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303143
Take this here seat.
Take this seat over here.


Take this seat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303146
That was just a joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303143
the latter has an extra syllable

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303151
what's the difference between 'here' and 'over here'?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303127
i was mistaken, now THIS is some next-level bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303158
the first two are こちらの, the third is この

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303119
Let's see...

- Don't pick any particular method, just dive in
- Train yourself to go to sleep when you're tired and wake up naturally. It doesn't have to be consistent
- Ignore new-age bullshit. It doesn't help
- Don't immerse yet
- Don't study the hiragana yet

- Don't do RTK
- Don't immerse yet

- Don't read Tae Kim. Read something else, like Sakubi! Don't make sentence cards.

- Don't do sentence mining. Do normal mining. Also start consuming manga and untranslated anime.
- Don't do 20 a day, do more (up to 30) or less (down to 10 or 15) than that.

- Don't make the monolingual transition. Just get access to a J-J dictionary for words that J-E dictionaries are bad for.

- Don't make monolingual sentence cards.
- Don't study the pitch accent of words in isolation. Force yourself to be consciously aware of the pitch accent contours of entire sentences.
- Branch out from manga/anime into VNs, games, and novels as soon as possible.

- Don't start outputting.
- Don't memorize literally every single word you come across.
- Don't seek out your weak points, focus on what you want to improve, even if you have other, worse problems.

Holy shit, this might actually be amazing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303171
time to replace the guide in the op

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303171
it has more right than mattjatt does
but you fucked one up
- Output from day one, and stop outputting after a year or two.

[Anonymous No.]

it's ridiculous how you guys are so patronising about the 'right methods' of learning Japanese yet you don't even speak it
what kind of fucking echochamber is this place lol

[Anonymous No.]

How much does mattat pay to people who stir up these shitty ajatt/rtk ""discussions""?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303171
>Also start consuming manga and untranslated anime.
Matt tells people to consume native materials like manga. So this should be "don't consume manga or raw anime."
>Don't start outputting.
Should be "start outputting day one."
>Don't memorize literally every single word you come across.
Should be "memorize every single word you come across."

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303230
the problem is not the method, it's that people are pushing certain methods that have so much obvious bullshit in them
rather, we're the opposite of what you're complaining about, against people pushing methods that are hostile and exclusive to other methods

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303230
there is no right method
there are wrong methods
knowing this can save your life, or at least a few months of it
why would i communicate in japanese on an english thread full of english speakers who produce broken japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303240
>Matt tells people to consume native materials like manga. So this should be "don't consume manga or raw anime."
No. He tells people to "sentence mine" them. Sentence mining isn't consumption, thus consumption is a valid opposite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303255
>No. He tells people to "sentence mine" them.
Really? That's your argument? He tells you to find i+1 sentences and mine them. How do you find i+1 sentences? By consuming a lot of native material. He explicitly tells people to read at least 2 hours per day and active listen at least 2 hours per day.

So the opposite is "Don't consume native material."

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303266
Let me quote what I'm writing the opposite of.
>Sentence mine anime/drama with J-subs or manga and make bilingual sentence cards.
This is an instruction to mine manga, anime, or drama. It says nothing about actually consuming those things.

[Anonymous No.]

When Matt goes low, we go high.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303273
That image accompanies a video. I don't remember if he goes into more detail in the video, but it's pretty obvious he wants you to consume native material. He doesn't want you mining the vast majority of what you read, because it's nowhere near comprehensible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303287
Yes, he already told the reader to immerse before that line. But this line is telling them to do something other than immerse. Therefore, the opposite is to turn from non-immersion to immersion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303192
the opposite of "start outputting at some point in time" is "never start outputting"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303290
He tells you to immerse. Separately, he tells you to mine. Thus the opposites would be:
>Don't immerse.
>Don't mine.
DJT-endorsed method.

[Anonymous No.]

going to point out that sentence mining from tae kim is a hilariously bad idea

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303308
It's not separate. He tells you to start mining from the material you're already immersing with. It's a natural progression from immersion to non-immersion. The natural opposite is to progress from non-immersion to immersion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303313
>already immersing with
So he's saying you should already be immersing. Separately he tells you to start mining. So the opposite would be to stop immersing and to stop mining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303319
That's not an opposite even by your logic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303309
how come?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303324
a lot of tae kim's example sentences are very unnatural (though they don't contain any blatant grammatical errors) and also his hyperliteral translations are only acceptable in the context of his explanations

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303309
i found his story interesting despite not fully agreeing with his advice before he made that video and made it in the big leagues as a massive fucking meme, and when i saw that point i was truly surprised because i felt that he was smarter than to suggest mining example sentences that are often unnatural
but it wasn't the only thing that surprised me, so it goes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303326
That's only to better understand the grammar Tae Kim teaches. It doesn't matter that it's unnatural because that's not the point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303338
the only reason you don't understand why force feeding yourself unnatural japanese is a problem is because you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

matt
a
t
t

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303341
t. don't know japanese because otherwise wouldnt be wasting his time here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303341
True but Matt rails against learning Japanese from textbooks like Genki. He has reiterated constantly that the point of mining Tae Kim is to get a foundation in the grammar. He would acknowledge the sentences are unnatural but that it doesn't matter because you'll have 4+ hours of exposure daily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303352
you don't have to mine tae kim to read it and also that's not an argument

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303338
>don't output early because you'll form bad grammar habits that are very hard to fix
>mine unnatural non-native example sentences to get used to grammar
he's very consistent

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303351
You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303357
yes and so do you

[Anonymous No.]

>天稟
Now why would they use words I haven seen before in my cartoons

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303356
Those don't contradict each other whatsoever. There's a difference between having some vague sense of what a particle is supposed to do based on a rule in some guide, and actually acquiring the grammar through exposure. The difference between Matt and /djt/ is that Matt wants you to be able to better recall TK so you don't have to look it up as much while you're reading. Either way works. No idea why this is a point of contention. Just more retarded nitpicking as usual I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303382
the only reason you don't think these are inconsistent is because you know so little japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303383
But I know from personal experience with my native language that it's consistent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303390
no experience with your native language can be compared to an experience with a foreign language

[Anonymous No.]

So, should I just leave some shitty talk show playing when I go to bed or something? According to AJATT, that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303391
how does the language acquisition process fundamentally differ between native and foreign language learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303402
native acquisition happens at too young of an age to "mine from a grammar guide" or "intentionally force output using grammar you don't actually understand"
young minds are not experienced enough to consciously understand the general concepts necessary to do such things

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303382
repeatedly exposing yourself to unnatural example sentences does not make you able to "better recall TK", it directly substitutes the initial phase of normal mining and replaces it with exposing yourself to garbage for longer than you need to
grammar decks are shit in the first place but your argument sounds like a defense of grammar decks, not of sentence cards mined from a grammar guide
>>19303390
please elaborate because i'm unsure how dumb this statement is but i think that it is at least a 5/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303402
Mental development and self-awareness. That's about it. But those alone are enough to know that they can't be compared anecdotally as similar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303415
>to "mine from a grammar guide"
replace "mine" with "learn" or the sentence with "read from a grammar guide."

actually the logic that guy used is pretty hilarious. it would mean you shouldn't consult TK's guide period. ever. there's no fundamental difference between consulting TK's guide while reading, and just memorizing TK (sentence mining).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303444
>there's no fundamental difference between consulting TK's guide while reading, and just memorizing TK (sentence mining).
there are like 10 obvious problems with this sentence and 100 subtle ones
please refrain from posting any further

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good online j-j dictionary? I can't download matts suggested program because I have 2 hours to mine my first dictionary words before daily reset

[Anonymous No.]

READ.
R - Just
E - Fucking
A - Read a
D - Book

I'd link my Patreon so you could all support me in my quest to bestow wisdom to those that need it but I'm sure that's against the rules here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303444
>there's no fundamental difference between consulting TK's guide while reading, and just memorizing TK (sentence mining).
>no fundamental difference between natural exposure and memorization drills
>mining something being memorizing it
Holy shit I didn't know it was possible to know this little about learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

you fucks are never gonna make it and deservedly so

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303450
there isn't. you can say that memorizing it isn't worth the effort, and that's fine. just say that next time instead of making up shit about how understanding basic grammar via understanding a grammar guide's basic sentences won't help you understand natural ones.
>>19303457
i mean memorizing the grammar via the sentences, not literally memorizing all of his sentences and being able to recall them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303466
it's time to stop posting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303444
holy shit you do not know japanese
let me say this again
sentence mining is not memorizing TK
that is the stupidest thing that's been said in djt for weeks and that's truly an accomplishment
by the way memorizing TK is a completely inefficient waste of time, but i presume that you don't understand the difference between learning grammar and memorizing a grammar guide, so i'll explain: memorizing a grammar guide is looking at conjugation or particle and recalling "oh that means x or y", learning grammar is looking at a sentence and knowing what it means without thinking about it.
drilling example sentences is closer to the latter than the former but so is actual fucking reading of actual natural japanese and there's no reason for you to invest any time into drilling example sentences before you do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303474
you've conceded that i win so i will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303444
I didn't know it was possible to say something this stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303478
there's no winning in you being absurdly wrong anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303476
>>19303479
already addressed all this dumb shit:
>>19303466

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303487
not an argument, you're literally making up a reality where your statement isn't incredibly fucking stupid and it's borderline delusional

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303487
you didn't address it because you still think that it's "memorizing grammar" which demonstrates that you have never learned a second language in your life but that was also evident by "my experience in my native language tells me that memorizing example sentences from tae kim is a good idea"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303496
>"memorizing grammar"
you haven't read all my posts if you think i'm literally suggesting you memorize a language's grammar. i understand there's a difference between memorizing and acquiring grammar. please eat shit until you learn how to read you moron.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303382
>>19303390
>>19303402
>>19303444
>>19303466
>>19303487
>>19303505

https://vocaroo.com/?upload
Anything will do. Even just reading off whatever words you can pronounce, or explaining what some conjugations are doing. What you're saying is seriously in "has no idea what learning Japanese is like because haven't even started, just watched youtube videos about it" territory. It's that messed up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303514
you actually have no idea what i'm even arguing if you think it's "that messed up". you go ahead and read it first. but read the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303505
if you understood the difference before now you wouldn't have repeated the word "memorize" several times in spite of being called out for your stupidity
now onto the main point: there is zero benefit to mining example sentences as opposed to jumping straight into mining native comprehensible sentences
the idea that it'll make jumping into native material easier if you mine a few scattered example sentences per grammar point, few of which use words you might know, is probably grounded in the same misconception as RTK: "get everything out of the way"
it doesn't work like that

[Anonymous No.]

this is why starting with rtk and "passive immersion" is dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303514
https://vocaroo.com/i/s192RgN8b1tq

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303528
You don't seem to know how this works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303531
That's not Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303528
>if you actually understood what i wrote you couldn't possibly think i'm wrong
this level of delusion is phenomenal

[Anonymous No.]

when a sub-n5 argues about learning methods

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303535
I know

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303541
I want Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303531
literally sounds like the kind of mouthbreathing retard youd expect to find in these threads

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303529
>you wouldn't have repeated the word "memorize" several times
i explicitly said here:
>There's a difference between having some vague sense of what a particle is supposed to do based on a rule in some guide, and actually acquiring the grammar through exposure.
so wrong. also, can you explain the fundamental difference between consulting TK's guide and just memorizing the basic grammar rules he outlines. thanks! if the only difference you can think of is that one requires more effort, then congratulations.

[Anonymous No.]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s0dxDBIXMNen

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303531
i'm willing to believe that this is the voice of our latest angry mattdrone

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303547
mining tae kim's example sentences is not memorizing the grammar rules he outlines
also consulting his guide is not mining it or memorizing it
you're not even studying japanese

[Anonymous No.]

What a brave lad, actually recorded himself calling people "faggots" knowing full well mommy could possibly overhear him.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm glad nasal voices all sound the same to me, otherwise I might associate people I know in other places with the vocaroos here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303549
I hate matt though

[Anonymous No.]

How do you write kanji with many radicals the size of a kana on a standard paper line? It's literally impossible I don't believe it can be done unless you have manlet hands.

[Anonymous No.]

how do I stop myself from mining stupid words like 香典

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303571
dunno have this random kanji I just made up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303547
>The difference between Matt and /djt/ is that Matt wants you to be able to better recall TK so you don't have to look it up as much while you're reading.
not wrong, you immediately mentioned "recalling TK" which fits in with "memorizing TK"
>>19303547
>can you explain the fundamental difference between consulting TK's guide and just memorizing the basic grammar rules he outlines.
the fundamental difference is that memorizing TK's guide is a complete waste of time because you wont have to consult any individual grammar point enough times to make up for the time that it takes to memorize it, but that's assuming you memorize TK's guide, which reviewing example sentences is not doing.
see the problem with this discussion is two-fold
what you're suggesting to do is dumb, but only a little dumb, it's far from ideal but you'll move past it and focus on native content
but the result that you're suggesting will come from what you're doing is false, it will not result in you memorizing all or even most of the grammar points in the guide, and it will not keep you from having to consult a grammar reference when you begin reading
you should really refrain from arguing about your method when it seems that you haven't even begun using it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303575
"telepathy"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303577
>not wrong, you immediately mentioned "recalling TK" which fits in with "memorizing TK"
on multiple occasions i clarified what i meant. there really was no room for confusion.
>complete waste of time
in other words the only difference you can think of is that it requires more effort and isn't worth it. right. called it. feels good that so many dipshits jumped on what i said but they merely misunderstood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303584
oh my god

[Anonymous No.]

What's your favorite word for dick? ちんこ patrician here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303586
the only confused one here is you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303588
我が息子

[Anonymous No.]

>>19302466
I like how this has meatstick in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303588
イチモツ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303575
That's still way larger than would be expected to write on a paper. I'm talking about writing complex kanji as the size of a single kana next to it on a normal size paper with a normal pen. It's literally impossible and I refuse to believe it can be done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303595
it's larger but so are the pixels so it works out

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303595
Handwritten kanji are in fact written larger than can fit on single lines of college-ruled western paper.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm participating on a Japan exchange program, and I just found out that the person I hosted will be hosting me when I go there. What is a good way to say how are you, and that we will be meeting in 3 weeks? My knowledge of Japanese is very limited by the way, so please give me something basic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303586
on multiple occasions you clarified that actually obviously you clearly totally understand what is wrong with the misconception we all have but actually what you really mean is exactly the misconception that you were told you had in the first place
also if you're going to cry "learn to read" you should try taking your own advice instead of latching onto the most offensive sequence of words you can find

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303601
It's also an easy kanji. I'm talking about more complex kanji.

>>19303604
Probably slightly larger but not by much. Let's say the size of elementary rule paper. It's still not gonna happen. Just the pen strokes alone would be too thick to fit some of the more difficult kanji on a single line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303605
どうぞよろしくいただきます
ほんとうにおめでとうからいえでおれをあります

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303606
>what you really mean is exactly the misconception that you were told you had in the first place
wrong. nowhere did i say that you acquire grammar by memorizing TK. i made sure to clarify that point, while referring back to one of my first posts where i talk about acquisition. so now what do you got? or do i finally win?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm learning Japanese so I can get a job as a voice actor in Japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303659
Not gonna happen dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303651
a-ha! wrong again! because i've been repeatedly telling you that your misconception is that mining example sentences from TK is a method of memorizing TK in the first place! that's the misconception! i wonder if i made it clear enough! probably not!
>do i finally win?
speechless

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303605
You already did this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303667
Don't shit on my dreams, cunt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303456
Which book? I've been thinking about checking out Genki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303680
get better dreams
>>19303682
cursed post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303672
>is that mining example sentences from TK is a method of memorizing TK in the first place!
oh this is just more misunderstanding. of course you're not going to memorize the grammar in a grammar guide by mining the sentences. you mine the sentences so you can more easily understand the sentences. now you can better remember TK and you won't have to consult it as frequently.

OK, glad you were more explicit here. i demolished your absolutely retarded misconception (why would anyone infer that someone else is saying something like that?) and now i'm confidently the winner. this argument is finally over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303659
I was gonna laugh at you but I've seen foreigners become seiyuus before
I don't know why you'd want to though because working as a voice actor in general is just shit, and you need to have lots of years of experience to get to the level of someone like yuuki aoi or something. You might also fail and just continue voicing background characters and shit forever until you give up. And lastly not everyone is fit to be a voice actor, if you're one of those few people who are though I'd recommend trying the job in your mother country before going to japan (also because you'd probably get rejected over and over for 0 experience plus being a foreigner). If you're serious about this good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303694
consider putting this argument off until you're not sub-n5, thanks

[Anonymous No.]

nothing is hard about grammar just conjugate the verbs

[Anonymous No.]

recurse those phrase structures

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303659
Become an English-speaking seiyuu and save poor EOPs from the eternal damnation of listening to Johnny Yong Bosch and Yuri Lowenthal for the rest of their lives.

[Anonymous No.]

order those words

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303659
By the way I'm this >>19303531 guy, do I have talent?

[Anonymous No.]

How come whenever I learn a bunch of kanji and their meanings / associated words, I will find the same word in a manga that is using a different kanji? Why can't this just be consistent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303717
nope

[Anonymous No.]

Friendly reminder to take the occasional break away from shitposting to hydrate yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

How well can you speak Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

I'd bet I'm better than anyone in this thread, but that's natural since I'm the nihongo master.

[Anonymous No.]

DJT is quickly becoming my favorite shitposting general. You are all unbelievably fucking retarded and I love it.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not retarded

[Anonymous No.]

I really hate shitposting and want to be helpful most of the time but this thread is so shit that it feels like a waste to be productive here

[Anonymous No.]

I'm only retarded when I post on here, it makes the experience more enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.]

a little bird told me it was vocaroo time again

>>19303514
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0ns2koPxnQz

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303694
now that you have acknowledged the two repeated mistakes in your posts let's talk substance
i've explained that there is no benefit to doing this instead of simply going on to native material and if you're going to mine sentences then do it from native material instead of tae kim example sentences (which you effectively ignored)
feel free to insert your highly thoughtful argument for why this isn't the case and mining tae kim sentences is highly beneficial in comparison to this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303756
I made it through 14 seconds. If anyone else managed to get further god bless you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303758
>>19303694
holy shit just fuck already

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303765
They are probably the same person, and you probably are too. Lower case posters should kill themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303771
i agree

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303756
may i ask why the end wasn't in japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Friendly reminder to stay away from 僕っ子ｓ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303782
is a ボークリスト a 僕っ子

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303776
i said アイム ゲイ which is nippongese for im gay

[Anonymous No.]

Time for the annual DJT census
https://strawpoll.com/3g3ese5b

[Anonymous No.]

theres no suitable answer for me so i did not vote

[Anonymous No.]

Do you also not fill in your gender in forms because the options don't represent you?

[Anonymous No.]

i do not and i also get triggered if its posed as a binary question

[Anonymous No.]

Sumimasen. Watasha wa new learner to kurosuboda kara /a/, be kind kudasai.

Hi, I am a new learner from /a/ (DJT's original home!), please be kind as I struggle through this with everybody and hopefully we have a good time learning nihongo!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303832
this is clearly not a new IP but even if it were I still wouldn't take this post seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303832
you can't have both, pick one

[Anonymous No.]

When was JCAT becoming paid or private or whatever?

[Anonymous No.]

dostedt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303842
2020

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303836
I asked a question earlier when looking for resources >>19299260 but I thought I should formally introduce myself.

[Anonymous No.]

watasha no namae wa jeff

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303850
Sweet, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skAL3DKxFbM#t=26

[Anonymous No.]

> posting your real name online

[Anonymous No.]

how much "dictionary vocabulary" is there really. Matt talks about "a couple hundred", how much is there really? I'm looking to transition soon

[Anonymous No.]

anyone know that feel when RTK is starting to give you RSI but you don't want to stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303954
m->f?
Good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303954
Better question is why hasn't some good samaritan made a deck with those hundreds of dictionary words to make the transition easier for others? I'll tell you one thing. I am stupid and lazy and I will never make that transition without handholding.

[Anonymous No.]

らせられないなら

how do I even begin to start to interpret this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19303991
らせられ+ない+なら

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>>19303991
らせ　られ　ない　なら
look it's evenly split up into two kana chunks even

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>>19303991
step 1: grab noose
step 2: grab chair
step 3: tie noose around something like a ceiling fan
step 4: climb the chair and stand on it while having the noose tight around your neck
step 5: kick the chair with all your strength

Hope I helped. Also be sure to not eat or drink anything 24 hours before this maneuver.

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>>19303991
yomichan just completely fucks this up for me so I don't even know how I'm supposed to begin to understand what this means without asking someone like DJT.

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>>19304049
do this >>19304030 for guaranteed and instant results

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>>19304054
your post is why I responded with that. I feel despair.

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>>19303991
You should interpret giving up.

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what does a 'green dream' (midori no yume) mean? does a dream being 'green' have some sort of feeling associated with it? I've noticed this phrase in some songs and i'm just wondering.

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>>19304097
歌語 might as well be a different language.

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I wanna review ahead so fucking bad so I can practice cards that I know aren't in my long term memory but I know it'll fuck up scheduling in the long term FUCK anki.

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Is there anything similar to Popup Chinese for Japanese? Didactic materials but spoken at a natural pace?

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>>19304144
it's not targeted but you can also get cards in your long term memory by reading more