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So, now that episode 3 of Umineko has been translated, post your theories about what the fuck is really happening in that god damned game.

>> No.1911570

I think its all a ruse to get my sister to force my wife into more dresses.

>> No.1911571

Vast amounts of awesomeness. But still sage for 3rd umineko thread on the 1st page.

>> No.1911581

> So, now that episode 3 of Umineko has been translated, post your theories about what the fuck is really happening in that god damned game.
randum shounen bullshite that appeals to underage users nipa

>> No.1911592

Lamba=SATOKO.

>> No.1911594

>>1911565
Wait till you see what happens in episode 4.

>> No.1911595

Eva's a feminazi dyke who killed her family in order to promote gender equality. The end.

>> No.1911598

Shannon is the true culprit.

>> No.1911599

>>1911592
FFFFFF WHAT.

>> No.1911608

>>1911565
Some of us don't have the time to read everyone on the day it's released

>> No.1911653

>>1911608
You should make time for umineko.

>> No.1911669

Real culprit died in the first twilight

Eva became the culprit after finding the gold and followed the epitaph to make it look like it was still the same person.

There's a play on words with the red text a the end which creates a loophole.

>> No.1911670

>>1911608
It was released yesterday.

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>>1911598
DO WANT

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Jessica killed Nanjo

>> No.1911793

>>1911781
How awesome it'd be for this to actually happen.

>> No.1911797
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>>1911789
Oh, wait, she didn't.

>> No.1911799

>>1911789
>>1911797
Oh.. there it goes... my brain stopped.

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>>1911797
And finishing move.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>> No.1911806

>>1911799
Someone was still alive by that time in the house. After they went to bring back some CANNED FOOD, Ronove didn't confirmed their death. There are some hints in the character screen, execute Hideyoshi for example.

>> No.1911813

>>1911800
Play on words. One of the 15 wasn't dead until after they killed Nanjo. Eva Beatrice tells us they're all dead but doesn't tell us when.

>> No.1911816

>>1911806
>didn't confirm
Fix'd

>> No.1911817

problem with the reasons are: why would they kill nanjo before dying?

>> No.1911829

Nanjo is being used by the culprits

There are at least two culprits

>> No.1911841

>>1911817
Working together and Nanjo went against them? Kind of like Takano and Tomitake.

>> No.1911848

I think there's a goodchance that Nanjo is working them. He always survives till near the end.

First episode: lives until the seventh twilight
Second episode: lives until the seventh twilight
Third episode: lives until the ninth twilight

I haven't played episode 4 so I don't know about that one.

>> No.1911852

>>1911848
He's needed so the culprit can play dead. As long as Nanjo says they're dead, everyone will believe it.

>> No.1911858

I wish the TIPS showed everything that was in red for that episode. Really important information that you have to go through the game again to see.

>> No.1911869

George went to see Shannon's body in a half crazed state.
He found out that she was still alive, probably because she is the real mastermind.
Rosa followed him, saw them and tried to kill Shannon.
George took the bullet.
Rosa went crazy after this.
Shannon left a message on the door, killed Nanjo and proceeded to kill herself.

Or something like that.
The last message is probably very important to the whole thing, the frst part was Battler birth date if I remember correctly so it probably have to do with the original Battler.

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>> No.1911894

>>1911869
Shannon's dead was declared in red by that time. You probably meant Eva not Rosa, but why would she kill her own son in the first place? George's murderer probably the same person who killed Nanjo.

>> No.1911904

Adachi is the killer.... no really there's a character that's named Adachi in Ep 4

>> No.1911908

>>1911894
No, I mean Shannon.
I think the whole fake name with Shannon and Kanon will be used as a plot device later.
The whole dead in red isn't time sensitive after all.
Or maybe the whole "death" could also be figurative, like Shannon may have decided to give up that fake name and retake her real one or something.

You never know with Ryuukichi, the strangest theories are probably the most likely.

>> No.1911912

Real culprit died in first twilight
Hideyoshi was found out and injured. He pretended to be dead.
Eva killed ther rest but Nanjo.
Hideyoshi while still fatally wonded killed Nanjo then later died.

Nanjo was in on what Eva and Hideyoshi was up to and Hideyoshi killed him to make sure no one knew what Eva did.

The magic circles and close rooms stop after the first twilight. This episode was a bad end for the culprit. Just like Watanagashi/Meakashi was Takano's failed end.

>> No.1911919

>>1911848
What really made me suspect him was the end of Episode 3, where he seems to insist to Battler that the witch exists, as though it was in his best interest to do so.

That said, Kinzo seems suspicious too, considering that he's either removed quickly or left isolated in the games, and his body is burned in more than one occasion, as though there was some ulterior motive for it, such as to use the smell to disguise something that would otherwise stand out in the mansion.

>> No.1911922

>>1911912
What about the last message then?

>> No.1911923

>>1911912
As for why Eva would kill George. The game wants you to believe that this isn't a possiblity. But if you think about it, it might be possible. For example: Eva found out that Shannon and him were a couple and was so disappointed with him that she no longer considered him her son. By episode 2 we know that Eva HATES Shannon.

>> No.1911930

>>1911592
That reminds me of something from Higuarshi. Didn't Rika say she wished she could lock up Satoko in a cage and keep her as a pet?

>> No.1911931

>>1911919
But in Ep 4 it's revealed that Kinzo is dead by the time everyone arrives at the island

>> No.1911933

>>1911592
She's Miyoko.

>> No.1911939

>>1911919
The culprit of the first twilight was probably Kinzo... no wait, there is no way he could've locked himself in the boiler room, since his corpse was paired with the key to the chapel. Then Genji, in the magic version he killed Shannon and Kanon, so it's probably him. But Nanjo is a bit strange, he survives until the very end, and what is he doing meantime? Reading books between confirming two corpses

>> No.1911945

>>1911939

What I'm curious about is what he's reading. Could he be trying to solve the witch's epitaph like Eva did?

>> No.1911953

>>1911945
Maybe some occult stuff from Kinzo's collection. Then it wouldn't be hard for him to do some scribble on the doors

>> No.1911990

>>1911930
She says that if Satoko was smaller she'd like to raise her in a cage. However she doesn't actually try to do so.

>> No.1911992

>>1911990
But it's still funny when you compare it to what Lambadelta said at the end of the tea party.

>> No.1912018

>>1911992
Yes, though Rika's point was that she found Satoko cute and would like to keep her as a pet if she were a small animal.

>> No.1912024

>>1911923
Maybe Eva had regressed to a child-like state so she didn't feel like a mother towards George.

>> No.1912050

>>1912024
That might explain why the body count was as high as it was in Episode 3. To turn the chessboard over, nobody would intentionally want to be left the only survivor, since that would automatically leave them suspected by the police/rest of the world as the killer. (as was shown in the ???)

>> No.1912061

fucking Eva

>> No.1912142

The real culprit is still active during episode 3, he/she is just not doing the actual murder.
The stakes are the proof, Eva killed them and the real culprit finished the job by putting the stakes on the bodies.

>> No.1912148

>>1912142
How do you know that Eva didn't do it?

>> No.1912152

Just finished Ep3. Goddamn you, Beato... I shed tears for you... And reformed evil girls are one of my greatest fetishes... Goddamnit... ;_;

>> No.1912159

>>1912148
Because she has nothing to win by doing this.
And do you really believe she would do this on the body of her own husband?

>> No.1912165

>>1912159
We don't know if Eva really killed even a SINGLE person. Rosa and Maria could've been murdered by Rudolf when he went to "search" for them.

>> No.1912171

>>1912165
She killed Battler

>> No.1912175

>>1912159
By continuing the 'ritual' she can shift the suspicion for her murders to whoever did the original set of 6. Thus it is very much in her interest to do so.

>> No.1912188

Eva's motivation is so fucking stupid. The only reason she won't stay in the kitchen is because she's jealous of her brother, and the reason she's jealous of her brother is because he and her father told her to go back to the kitchen. That doesn't make a bit of sense. Except then she gets married, stays at home, and ended up being very happy with it, meaning her father and brother actually did want the best for her. Yet she still insists on holding an asinine grudge. If anything, she's proven them right, and shown first hand how dangerous it is when women are too motivated.

>> No.1912190

If Eva did the stakings then the biggest question is where did she get them.

>> No.1912196

>>1911592

Lambda = Miyo

>> No.1912200

>>1912196
-ko

>> No.1912221

>>1912196
/r/ Kai Miyo shop made to look like Lambda

>> No.1912227

>>1912190
Yeah, these seems to be specifically made.
Also it's weird that she would do the exact same thing as the culprit in the other episodes.

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>>1912221

I have a good one, let me find it.
Have some 34/Alice in the meanwhile

>> No.1912235

>>1912227
The poem outlines exactly where to insert them. And she doesn't do exactly the same thing. From what I recall, a lot of the corpses only have a gouge with no stake left in.

>> No.1912240

The killers are Shannon and George.

>> No.1912242
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>> No.1912244

Could someone explain to me why it's so awesome in order for me to get past the horrible art?

>> No.1912248

We were supposed to disagree with what Krauss and Kinzo where saying about women at the beginning of the episode? Because everything that's happened in this episode seems to have proven them right.

>> No.1912251

>>1912244

You'll get past the art about a third of the way through the first episode (though it's still jarring when new characters show up). As for everything else, it's a compelling 'who-done-it' mystery with phoenix wright-style objections and practically everyone gets a 'crowning moment of awesome' at some point or another.

>> No.1912256

>>1912244
>horrible art
Where is your evidence? Can you prove your right?

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>>1912242

Thanks, i couldn't find it anymore.
Also game edit.

>> No.1912259

Not our loss if you don't.

>> No.1912263

>>1912248
Congrats on making the thousandth post saying this.

>> No.1912266

>>1912244
The music more than makes up for the artwork. There's no question that the artwork is weak but the music is great. After a while, you get used to the weird artwork and you may even grow to like it.

>> No.1912272

>>1912244
death by cake mountain


Also what the fuck was up with Rosa's "dreams" I remember when I was young I never had such fatalistic dreams as "fall into an ocean of jelly" "buried in cake mountain" etc. Girl is not right in the head

>> No.1912279

>>1912256
It's a matter of opinion of course, but it seems to me that even the really old Visual Novels/eroge had better art than this.
>>1911876

>>1912251
Is there any/much decision making and how long is it so far? I really want to play/read this but I still haven't read the HF route in FSN, Kagetsu Tohya, Princess Waltz, Brass Restoration, Utawarerumono or Tears to Tiara, all of which I have installed on my computer.

>> No.1912287

>>1912279
To read all 3 translated games would take around 20 hours.

>> No.1912294

>>1912279
Umineko's art looks better than Higurashi's

>> No.1912292

>>1912272
I don't think she wanted "fall into an ocean of jelly" to end her own life. Eva-Beatrice somehow received this information wrong. Such a fatal misunderstanding, isn't it sad Rosa?

CAKE MOUNTAIN

>> No.1912304

How much of Higurashi is translated? And if it's any where near as good as Umineko, could someone point me to some non-torrent downloads?

>> No.1912309

>>1912279
No decision making, just sit back and enjoy the ride, and three Episodes have been translated so far, the first is about the same size as Fate and they get increasing longer in the later chapters.

>> No.1912314

No decision making, just sit back and enjoy the ride, and three Episodes have been translated so far, the first is about the same size as Fate and they get increasing longer in the later episodes.

>> No.1912315

>>1912304

Only Onikakushi-hen is ALMOST finished. Have fun waiting. Might as well play Umineko, unless you want to wait for the anime.

>> No.1912321

>>1912294
The person who makes the artwork learned to rarely show the hands because the hands is the most ugly part of the artwork. Beatrice is the exception. She actually has fingers

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>> No.1912344

>>1912272
She wanted to swim in an ocean of jelly and climb a mountain of cake. Eva just decided to be a sadistic bitch and kill her using these things instead.

>>1912294
Ryukishi07 stopped using gradients in his art.

>> No.1912376

>>1912321
Battler also has fingers

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>>1912376
Pointing gives me power.

>> No.1912417

Eva = Beatrice

>> No.1912449

>>1912417
Damn it, you....you.... ③④!!!

>> No.1912450

>>1912417
Do you know who the culprit in Higurashi is though?

>> No.1912461

>>1912450
The culprit is.... YOU!!

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>>1912450
Of course eye do!

>> No.1912464

>>1912450
Culprit = Satoko's Uncle, who is also the one that taught Beatrice to be a witch.

>> No.1912468

>>1912464
Teppei would never do something bad.

>> No.1912484

>>1912468
Well, that's because he was doing a good thing. He had to kill Rika so she wouldn't meet Ange who would then have incestuous sex with Battler and give birth to the Witch to Destroy Worlds. Honestly, he was just trying to do us a favour.

>> No.1912486

>>1912464
Teppei = Vergilia?
BRICKS SHAT

>> No.1912494

>>1912484
Rika dying repeatedly is what created Bern in the first place. Teppei should have killed Satoko so that she wouldn't turn into ③④.

>> No.1912505

>>1912494
Well. Maybe he wanted to, but he was too overwhelmed by feelings of fatherly love towards his adopted daughter.

>> No.1912513

>>1912505
Would this be before or after he pushed her down the stairs?

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>>1912486
I can't believed I missed that, especially considering all the similarities in their appearance.

>> No.1912524

>>1912513
He knew it was his duty to kill her, but he could only go half-way because of his love for her.

>> No.1912534

>>1912513
She tripped.

>>1912515
See? God damn, that's the real reason she wouldn't open her eyes. She didn't want you to see the manly, lustful gaze staring back at you.

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>>1912524

>> No.1912554

>>1912550
OTP.

>> No.1912600

Nanjo kills the first six, likely with the help of one of the victims.

Eva tells Hideyoshi about the gold, and they decide to get rid of the other siblings. Eva kills Rosa and Maria

Hideyoshi, Rudolf, and Kyrie go to the mansion and meet up with Eva. Eva kills Rudolf while Hideyoshi tracks down Kyrie and kills her. Hideyoshi runs discovers Nanjo and runs back to Eva to warn her about him, but conveniently gets shot in the back before he can tell her. Eva flees fearing for her life.

Nanjo stakes Rudolf, Kyrie, and Hideyoshi, but fails to check if they're actually dead at this point because he's in a hurry to get back to the guest house.

Nanjo kills George and moves his body to where Shannon's is, as he knows this will cause Eva to go insane (and thus easier for an old man to get the jump on later).

Eva serves coffee with sedatives to Krauss and Natsuhi and strangles them after it kicks in, and Nanjo, still lurking around, stakes the bodies after Eva moves them (Or perhaps he moves the bodies himself while Eva's in the bathroom or something).

After Nanjo bandages up Jessica, he leaves the room intending to get rid of Eva and Battler, but instead runs into the barely alive Hideyoshi, who kills him and subsequently dies. Eva then kills Battler and Jessica.

>> No.1912612

>>1912600

No.

Nanjo would know if Hideyoshi was dead or not.

>> No.1912633

>>1912612
Did you even read the rest of the sentence?

>> No.1912695

>>1912612
Nanjo is being used. Either bribed or threatened.

>> No.1912747

>>1911565
How nice, Rika and little Takano.

>> No.1912778

>>1912600
What about Kyrie? Her wound isn't a lethal spot

>> No.1912805

>>1912778
True, plus her feelings of envy for Rudolf's first wife allow her to move at superhuman speeds.

>> No.1912814

>>1911919
Use Kinzo's smell to cover the fact that the culprit's "body" doesn't smell bad even after a long period of time? But I guess it's weird that it's always Kinzo.

Now, Kinzo didn't die until the very end in EP2. Maybe the culprit didn't get in his room or there just wasn't any need to do it.(The culprit also stays alive until the end or the culprit's "body" was found in some other place like the chapel)

OR maybe the smell is just used to lure people elsewhere meanwhile shit happens.
>>1911931 also makes me think otherwise.

>> No.1912850

>>1912814
I think it was more that the body was burned in the furnace so it filled the mansion with a smell so putrid that it disguised others that might indicate one of the methods of murder, such as gas or something medicinal.

>> No.1912860

>>1912612
True, but he probably wouldn't see a mortally wounded and seemingly incapacitated man as much of a threat, especially if he's rushing to get back before Eva makes a scene and people go to discover the bodies. And he certainly wouldn't finish the job in front of everyone and would instead opt to tell them he's dead and just leave him to die.

>> No.1912874

I'm going to rage if Battler is the murderer. I mean, seriously, if he's just messed up in the head and all this witch-shit is a dream as he's killing off his family, it will be a giant anti-climax. But I trust Ryukishi07 won't be so shit.

>> No.1912883

>>1912874
Isn't a possiblity.
>>1911789

>> No.1912894

I think Kyrie's speech during her fight was important.
She had a relationship with Rudolf even when he was married with Asumu and even got pregnant.

>> No.1912897

I think that in general Kyrie is the culprit, with Nanjo as back up. Episode 3's ???? explained that after the massacre all of the inheritance would go to Ange, and she already had a plot on her life. When she dies the inheritance gets passed on to Kyrie's family. While Kyrie still loves Rudolph I still have my doubts that someone who felt betrayed could easily go back to him with no reason at all. Nanjo is suspicious no matter how much you shake it, as the only figure with any medical knowledge the family seems to take his word as law. I'm assuming that Kyrie's family had somehow persuaded him to work with Kyrie. However, I can't really prove anything until we find out more about Kyrie and her family, which seems to be possible via the Episode 4 screen caps I've seen.

>> No.1913022

>>1912897
That is a good point, that with Ange outside the island, she would still be considered a descendant, regardless of what happened on the island, and of course be beyond suspicion.

Also, from a story point of view, she's pretty much the only (human) person on the same level of wits as Battler, any other culprit would seem like an anti-climax.

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>> No.1913109

>>1913077
The biggest thing here is that Eva-Beatrice only states that the person has died, the exact specifics of this however, are left out, meaning the possibility of a false death is possible, as long as by that point in the story they have died.

>> No.1913114

>>1913071
How does she shot web?

>> No.1913124

>>1913109
She says they're dead meaning they're dead by the time she says it. This happens possibly 30 minutes after Nanjo's murder

>> No.1913125

>>1912897
He does have a sick grandkid.

>>1912600
Eva would most likely go mad after seeing Nanjo kill Hideyoshi and she wouldn't run away. But then how much does she love Hideyoshi.

>> No.1913137

>>1913096
>>1913096
>>1913098
Don't these lines negate the possiblity that a witch did it?

>> No.1913150

>>1913109
Or one of these "dead" person could just be a fake.
Like, if the real Gohda was dead a long time ago and a fake was playing his role, it would still be valid.

>> No.1913164

13 post combo

>> No.1913193

>>1913137
Not really, if a human uses magic, then that's through the influence of a witch. The whole battle is really more 'magic doesn't exist' than 'Beato is a witch'.

>> No.1913279

>>1913125
All she saw was a smoking gun that seemed to float in the air, meaning the shooter himself was concealed and she would be at a huge disadvantage if she decided to stay and fight. Running the fuck away is a natural response in that situation.

>> No.1913330

So if witches aren't real, then does that mean meta-Battler is just really fucking insane?

>> No.1913413

>>1913330
No, the meta-world really does "exist", but it has no real incidence on the real world.

>> No.1913451

>>1913330
No witches obviously "exist", but the point is proving they don't on the gameboard which is a controlled, isolated enviorment.

If Battler was out to prove witches and magic did not exist in any reality he would have lost the second Beato turned into butterflies or revived him after the Stakes got too rough in their playtime

>> No.1913457

>>1913413
>>1913451
You should speculate more flexibly.

>> No.1913568

I always wonder: How will they represent Red Text in the anime adaptation?

>> No.1913583

>>1913568
Whenever I speak with a flashy red backdrop, I am telling the truth.

>> No.1913585

>>1913568
The 'Treasured Red Sword' is actually a sword, and glows when speaking the truth.

>> No.1913586

>>1913568
Show red text while the character speaks the line.

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>>1913568
Psyche Locks

>> No.1913622

Should I play this or wait for the anime? I'm still unsure.

>> No.1913640

>>1913568
The characters will speak with a Kansai accent.

>> No.1913651

>>1913640
Hideyoshi's an honest man.

>> No.1913698

so, what was the story for ep 2. I am going to go ahead and skip it to catch up.

>> No.1913746

>>1913698
That is the most retarded idea ever.

Don't do this.

>> No.1913749

>>1913698
EP1: What is this I don't even
EP2: People died, Battler denied. Beatrice physically joins the game, a lot of supernatural events pop up... Whenever Battler isn't around, incidentally. Battler disappoints everybody, Rosa becomes awesome.
EP3: Shit hits the fan.
EP4: Spoilers the fan was actually the culprit

>> No.1913753

>>1913698
Battler: Okay, I'm ready now. Start the game, Beato.
Beato: I'MA CHARGAN MAH MAGICS
Battler: WTF? That didn't happen!
Beato: Your mouth says no, but your heart says yes. Enjoy your stake-raep.

>> No.1913758
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>>1913698
Seriously, BAD move

>> No.1913759

>>1913749
>>1913753
thanks, and i love the humorous summaries

>> No.1913775

>>1913622
Anime will never be able to be a good adaptation, just like Higurashi.

Waiting for the anime is just a stupid choice, I think.

>> No.1913765

>>1913758
oh, ill get over it

>> No.1913772

>>1913759
lol u tk him 2 da bar?

>> No.1913776

>>1913622
Don't wait for the anime, it's being directed by somebody that can't direct for shit (Chiaki Kon) and with a script from a writer that can't write (Toshifumi Kawase).

>> No.1913807

whats with the skippy sou-n-d -w-h-a-t is- g-o-ing on

>> No.1913822

>>1913807
Replace your onscripter with this one.
http://www.mediafire.com/?stqjn9vwnmz

>> No.1913814

>>1913698
You really shouldn't do that.

>> No.1913817

>>1913807
Vista aids

>> No.1913838

use applocale to run onscripter.exe in vista to fix the skippy sound, also copy the missing files in BGM, ME and sys_ce folders (the ones with moon rune name)

>> No.1913840

>>1913698
Just play/read the game. Short descriptions like this >>1913749
simply are not good enough. You will miss out a lot.

>> No.1913989

>>1913698
>>1913759
You'll miss a lot of things, especially Rosa unrivaled.

When they do make the game those moves will definitely be in there.

>> No.1914027

>>1913698
Honestly, I can't understand your wish.
You actually mean "I want to read the story, so I want to skip the story".

>> No.1914358

contradictory statements!!!

>> No.1914374
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The strongest servant.

>> No.1914380

>>1914374
only if there are no witnesses

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>>1914374
Don't you mean 'moe-est'?

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