DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1863

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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17947960

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今日も一日がんばるみょん～

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僕も頑張るで

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（ＯＰ）
あなたとふたり

あたしのいないまち

あたしだけのいないまち

あなたのいるまち


がんばれおにいちゃん

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Where are you?

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>>17960475
if we talking matures, somewhere between 93 and 94% and dropping
about 60 matures dropped since the 12th of this month

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>>17960482
>93 and 94%
In which metric? Books?

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>>17960489
rough mental average of each, im around 8600 matures

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Why is it supposed to be read 星 (ほし) while it clearly says 惑星 (わくせい)?
I've seen nips do this quite often, is there a trick to it or is it just some artistic vision.

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>>17960491
Nice. How long have you had that deck for?

Going off Anki, I'm at 60% on the magazine scale, but I only started Anki about a week ago even though I've been reading for a few months already, so I don't know where I am in reality.

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>>17960518
Mayhaps the planet in the story is called ほし? Either that, or there's a sort of dual meaning, like in pic related.

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>>17960518
>>17960531
Then again, you even get cases where they use a loan word as furigana, so I guess it could just be for artistic effect and there's no special meaning to it or anything.

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>>17960527
coming up on 2 years since I started core2/6k, finished it and started mining
I still mine way more new cards than I do every day, often doubling it(20).
total size of the deck just crossed 17k

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>>17960518
Because there's furigana ほし above it

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>>17960475
Stopped doing new cards for a week so not many young.

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>>17960536
>I still mine way more new cards than I do every day, often doubling it(20).
That's a little disheartening. Seems I still have a long way to go.

Then again, 40 for an entire day's reading isn't too bad. I end up having to mine that many in no time at all, no matter what I read. A few chapters of manga will easily net me 100 new words. Goes without saying that trying to watch anime at this stage is pretty much delusional (though I have been watching raw versions of SoL stuff that I've already seen before anyway to train my listening comprehension).

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>>17960518
Just to be cool.
運命（さだめ）
宇宙（そら）
膣内射精（なかだし）

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>>17960547
Do you have leeches set to tag only and suspend manually, or did you just remember everything that well?
(I have 33 leeches with 2361 mature and 1017 young cards, though I mostly got leeches for confusing similar words in Anki that I don't confuse in reading)

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Why is it that I'll easily remember a word for at least a couple of days after I first encounter it and add it to Anki, yet when I relearn a forgotten word in Anki I usually forget it immediately?

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エロい（せいてき）

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>>17960534
アベンジャー
えいてん

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>>17960574
I manually suspended those 59 during core6k because i already knew them, but now i just delete.
Any card I wanted more information on I would look up in J-J dictionaries to remember better. Eventually i just switched to adding most cards using jap definitions.
I have leeches set to tag only but none show up here so i guess i have none.

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>>17960547
how many do you mine every day now, on average?

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go checkout, the jap thread for a bit
see pic
well thats enough japan thread for awhile

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can someone help me translate this sentence? I'm not sure if I got the correct implication.

「お客様は神様」というが、客からのクレームをニーズとし、それにチャレンジしていく企業家精神は、どの時代にあっても必要であるし、学ぶことは多いものだ。

>There is a saying that "the customer is always right", but entrepreneurships that takes on customer complaints and needs, moreover, faces challenges is necessary no matter what generation. There are many things to learn.



I feel this is off.

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>>17960560
Unless you just started reading a classic novel, 40 a day at that level probably means you're unnecessarily mining easy words. I don't think I ever mined 40 new words at any point after 10K even reading all day.

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>>17960870
such and such entrepreneurs need to exist in all eras

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愛で越えられぬ壁はありません
越えられぬ is 越えられない, right? Then whole sentence means "There's no obstacle that can't be overcome by love", and 越えられぬ specifically means "not become exceeded", ie is in passive negative form?

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Has anyone compiled どんな時どう使う日本語文型辞典 into an anki deck yet?

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>>17960547
>16k
How often do you still need to look up words?

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This mining business is making me realise how crappy my grasp of my own language is.

When trying to select definitions for my cards, I keep having to look the definitions themselves up in an English dictionary because my understanding of what they actually mean is quite vague and imprecise. When they come up in a sentence, I have no problem, but when looking at them on their own and trying to ascertain whether they are a good match for the Japanese word I'm trying to learn, I keep getting left thinking "wait, what exactly *does* this word mean?", then I have to go look it up in the dictionary to make sure that it does actually mean what I think it does.

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>>17961391
Do you read English books? I read a couple per year and don't have the same issues.
Funnily enough, my native language isn't English either, but I use it for my personal J-E dictionary, because all the good resources are English too (jisho etc) and it would be retarded to juggle the nuances of 3 languages at once.

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>>17961547
Rarely. All I've read in recent years are the ASOIAF books and American Psycho.

That said, I read shit on the internet all day long so it's not like I do no reading at all.

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>>17961547
>it would be retarded to juggle the nuances of 3 languages at once
I think it would still be useful to look up certain words that are synonyms in English. They might be different words in your native language.
For example, in English, the common word for fire (as in property burning down because of a fire spreading) is the same as fire (as in a flame) but in my native language they're different words.
Sure, there are more specific words in English for cases like this, but who in the world actually says "conflagration"?

You could even keep both the cards in English but add the word in your native language in parentheses on the side if you're having trouble keeping track of the specific meaning of words.

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>>17961553
>That said, I read shit on the internet all day long so it's not like I do no reading at all.
Yeah, but books do have a distinctly different writing style, especially the older or more highbrow the work. You learn synonyms and terms with different nuances out the ass.
To be honest, the typical internet writing style is quite limited. If you wrote like most writers write, even minimalists like Vonnegut or Hemingway, you'd sound extremely pretentious/flowery in the eyes of most.

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>>17961606
Most traditional writers. Popular writers use a more colloquial style.

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on 9 December I'll have studied all the RTK vol. 1 kanji, damn it went so fast
can't wait to get back into Tae Kim

PS yes, I know I've wasted my time

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So, I've read Tae Kim and sakubi, but I don't remember much from it. Should I move on to the intermediate level? What do I do to practice? Also, the correct is to come back to these guides when I don't understand something, right? Should I look into writing the most important grammar on a note or something? Please help, I don't really know where should I move to.

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Is I say "Listening-Reading", would I set the thread on fire?
If not, did anyone try it? Method description looks a bit streamy and consciousnessy to me.

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>>17961831
You haven't read them if you don't know what to do. (Both tell you to go read)

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>>17961837
I tried reading yotsuba and I didn't understand much from it.

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>>17961831
you aren't supposed to read a grammar book to remember everything
you read it - understand it and then maybe remember it, but you have to read actual japanese stuff to keep these rules remembered

ergo don't come back to any grammar book any more, you're wasting your time, just start reading regular Japanese and consult Tae Kim if you don't understand some construction

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>>17961845
Should I stick on yotsubato, is there anything simpler than this?

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>>17961841
you're supposed to translate manually stuff as you go along, you won't maigcally understand it ccos you read Tae Kim
how big is your vocab in jap?

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>>17961848
It's pretty bad, good compared to someone who doesn't have contact with japanese culture. I only remember things usually said in anime.

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>>17961841
You won't. Takes months of reading/listening for things to really start clicking into place.

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>>17961855
then how the fuck are you imagining yourself understanding anything written?

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>>17961861
So am I supposed to manually translate things little by little until I get a good grasp of it? Sounds simple, but rather time consuming.

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>>17961862
What do I do to get my vocabulary better? That Core2K shit is horribly boring and I don't remember anything from it.

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>>17961865
it takes time to learn anything valuable

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>>17961865
Translate? No, though it's kind of inevitable that you'll have to do that in your head a lot at first.

Reading a simple (remember that this is always a relative word, like "easy") VN like Flyable Heart can be a good way to get started since you can hook the text into Firefox (see the resources guide) and read through it with Yomichan (makes looking up words much more convenient, and also tells you how the word is conjugated if applicable). A word of warning though: don't become over-dependent on tools like Yomichan. Try to make sense of the text on your own first, then resort to Yomichan if you can't understand it/want to make sure you got it right.

>>17961872
Mine words from what you read to create your own vocab deck. There's a guide on the neocities page for doing it with Yomichan. I'd advise against letting Yomichan automatically fill in the meaning field of your cards though, lest you end up with 50 definitions on the backs of all your cards. Try to limit yourself to no more than 3 definitions.

When you mine from what you read, it sticks so much better in your memory. I recommend only mining 20 words a day so that the new words that come up in your deck are always fresh and you can remember where you saw them.

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>>17961897
That sounds good. I'm gonna try it when I get home, thanks, anon.

Also, how many time do you guess it'd take for you to, for example, watch anime without subtitles? And have conversations with japanese people in Japan, without gagging? 3-5 years?
Is Flyable Heart any good?

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Someone, please help me make sense of what is being said here. I can't make heads or tails of it

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>>17961928
Seems pretty straightforward to me. "Relax, all this drug does is make your body a little more sensitive than usual."

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>>17961920
>Also, how many time do you guess it'd take for you to, for example, watch anime without subtitles?
For Slice of Life stuff? You can get by understanding at least 80% of all dialogue after roughly a year of study or less. Just don't skip out on listening because it seems a decent amount of people practice only on reading and rarely ever on listening.
>And have conversations with japanese people in Japan, without gagging?
Conversations with Japanese people in Japan, in Japanese, I can only assume?
If you mean mostly fluently and assuming we are talking about general topics here, probably around 2-3 years. If you want to talk about your favorite classical literature then that's a different story.

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>>17961872
Aside from flashcards, you just can read simple (very simple) works and manually translate words you don't know. Slowly your vocab will grow.
>That Core2K shit is horribly boring and I don't remember anything from it.
Yes, language learning can be boring. What did you expect?

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>>17961928
what's confusing you anon san?

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>>17961939
>Yes, language learning can be boring. What did you expect?
lmao, not the guy but you cannot learn a language without fun

boredom is anti-learning anything

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>>17961946
I don't know, I'm a dumbfuck.

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>>17961935
>>17961946
Ahh. Now that explains it. Rakaisama wasn't translating 薬 properly. Oops. Sorry.

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>>17961956
lmao, that's why you should use RTK

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>>17961948
Who said it can't be fun? I am having extreme fun – most of the time.
Read people's posts better.

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>>17961956
>薬
I find it interesting that it's written with the kanji for "fun"

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>>17961938
What do you recommend for practicing listening? Is anime enough? Or should I aim on listening what I'm studying?

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>>17961970
Also, I watch around two or three episodes of animu daily.

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>>17961961
I did RTK, though. You can't really fault me for mixing two similar kanjis.

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Why is baka written in katakana? Is it an onomatopoeia for something that became an adjective?

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>>17961974
I can, they look nothing alike

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>>17961968
grass fun is the best kind of fun

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>>17961979
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baka_(Japanese_word)#Etymologies

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>>17961980
>薬
>楽
>nothing alike
Come now. Don't be a filthy contrarian

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>>17961989
there's the element for flower in plain sight at the top (as usual), how are they the same?
one is for music (the one without flower), is it so hard to figure out?

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>>17961974
>I did RTK
Did you draw all the Kanji and review keyword -> Kanji?

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>>17961974
>RTK
Stop memorizing kanji, and start learning about their composition.

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>>17961994
I never said they were the same. I said they were similar, which they are.

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>>17962002
so just because they are smiliar you are having such big trouble with them? poor thing

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>>17961995
>RTK
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2008/01/31/final-thoughts-on-remembering-the-kanji/

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>>17961968
>From Old Japanese. Cognate with the kusu root of adjective 奇し (kusushi, “mystical”), from the way that drugs and medicines would have mystical effects.
And here I thought it's because the grass was supposed to mean opium or something similar.

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>>17962017
he did RTK but clearly done it wrong if he can't tell apart between 薬 and 楽

damn, if you guys partake in RTK do it well, or you'll just waste time - what's the point if you can't even remember a single meaning for a given kanji?

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>>17962008
Why is your English so shit? Did you not do RTE?

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>>17962023
Did you write what you saw on RTK? Anki?

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>>17962033
What's this? What does English have to do with what he said? Are you trying to control damage? Pure lulz.

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楽と薬はちょっとにてるけど

まちがうほどにてないよ

おはようおにいちゃん

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>>17962033
w-where did I make a mistake? I guess there's a lot I have to improve in my English

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who's taking the JLPT this sunday?

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I'm getting discouraged /jp/.

Doushio? I think starting to read would help but out of all of the Wanikani anki deck, I'm only like 10% done so that's not feasible.

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>>17962072
Just stick with it. The beginning is the most boring part.

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>>17962072
習慣になったらそこからしやすくなるので頑張ろーでな！

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>>17962072
Lower your cards per day if you have to. Keeping consistent is incredibly important to avoiding losing weeks or months to burnout, in my experience.

Reading is feasible if you're willing to look absolutely everything up, skim or skip constantly, and accept that you're not going to fully understand everything. Trying to learn too much at once is the biggest problem you'll have as a beginner trying to read.

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Can any noun get suru-d into a verb?
If not, are there rules as to which can and can't?

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>>17961184
correct. ぬ is literary

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>>17961968
楽（らく、がく） is the phonetic component of 薬（やく）

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>>17962102
うるさいなバカ

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>>17962072
You can read whenever. You will suck no matter what, so don't worry too much about being "ready".

If what you're doing now has you on the verge of quitting, then if anything continuing to do that is what's not "feasible".

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>>17962311
あんさんの方がうぜえやで

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Don't you love it when you come across some kanji you don't know, but your first guess of the reading based on one of its radicals, is correct?

Just had that with 齟齬

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>>17960871
I don't know how to define easy words, so I just mine everything, including phrases

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How am I supposed to stop kicking the can down the road with Anki?
It seems like all I'm capable of doing is remembering half of these words for ten minutes, long enough to postpone it to the next day, and I've forgotten them by then again

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>>17962334
むかしのことばはむかしの漢字でかくことになっているよ

だからむかしのひとがみていたのは

桜じゃなくて櫻だったりするよ

たぶんだけど

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>>17962369
Try mnemonics.

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>>17962369
Pay more attention to the radicals making up kanji. Learning to write and making mnemonics do help, but probably aren't necessary.

Also add more learning steps. I use 1 minute, 10 minutes, 600 minutes, and do the 600 minute one before bed along with review today's forgotten cards.

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おなかいたい

１じかんめではやびけしたいなあ

けっせきはいやだし

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>>17952252
Whoever said the hacker known as 4chan is a bad guy knows nothing!

Not only you guys tolerate me indulging into spergshit, you actively help me to go deeper! This does the trick, thank you and have a ゆっくり day!

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ほけんしつにいったら

ほけんいにおしたおされ

くちではいやだといっても

きゃー

おうちかえる

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>>17962552
>くちではいやだといっても
>きゃー

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Is it really necessary to learn the nuances in things like DOJG that take up a load of time to read even if I understand what the grammar concept "is"

I'm trying to figure out how to shave my study sessions down and I feel like much of what I end up reading in that is fluff that I'll pick up through reading in the future anyways, but I could be wrong.

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>>17962578
use this
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/
and only when you're reading

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一昨日

is there any rhyme or reason to when each reading is used or should I memorize both at the same time?

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>>17960475
>that difference between 98% and 99%

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>>17962727
just do both for that and the year version. Youre gonna have to know both anyways due to their commonality whether they have nuances or not. I dont know the nuances tho

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>>17962762
wait till you see the difference between 99% and 100%

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>>17960595
Because it means you don't use it or see it and it might as well be useless.

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>>17960871
What's the one suspended?

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>空前
>前（ぜん）
Fuck this, man.

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>>17962944
前年

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>>17962944
>前（ぜん）
zen is the normal on'yomi of 前 m8

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>>17962944
It's okay. I mess up the さき all the time too.

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>>17962950
>>17962957
>>17962964
もううううううううううう

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>>17962944
Why dont you know words like 以前　前例

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>>17962920
疎か

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>>17962944
this is adorable

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>>17962967
>>17963029
いじめないでください

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>>17963029
可哀そうですよねええ

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I don't understand how Anki works at all

I did all the steps including adding pictures

But for the example sentences with the Kanji in it it doesn't break down what the individual words are and it just confuses me instead of teaches me

Are the sentences there just to provide context and I'll learn more about the other Kanji littered in the sentence as I go on?

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>>17963129
>Are the sentences there just to provide context and I'll learn more about the other Kanji littered in the sentence as I go on?
Yes.

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>>17963129
Read a grammar guide and you'll probably be able to break down which word means what from the translation and sentence. But you shouldn't pay that much attention to it. The word you're learning is the word on the front, not everything else.

Also, pictures suck.

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ふっ

はやびけなどたやすいことだ

>>17962944
弘前

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>>17961970
Maybe some Japanese let's players or other video bloggers to get a more real life example of language.

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>>17963129
The sentences are annoying. Many of them are localized or simplified down to their base meaning so the literal usage of the word is occasionally lost.

Example being a sentence something like "Our son will become(なる）an elementary schooler" to "our son will start elementary school"

That said, they aren't a major focus. Don't stress on them that much.

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>>17962762
Just the difference between 98% and 99% is pretty soul-crushing.

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>>17963214
Which deck are you both referring to?

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>>17960671
>Eventually i just switched to adding most cards using jap definitions.
Can you screencap a card as an example please?

Also, how long did it take you to be able to use J-J definitions? In terms of grammar, I can understand most of them, but my grammar is shit so I end up having to look up like 5 words in the process. Not really feasible for me to use them on Anki cards at this stage.

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>>17963223
core6k

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Can I learn to read kanji if there is furigana in what I read? Or should I read books without furigana and force myself to look the kanji up? Just what is the best way to learn kanji? pls help senpai.

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did anyone start zero from these threads and get really better? how long did it take and are you able to hold up a conversation in japanese?

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>>17963230
It's easier to remember the kanji without furi, at the cost of reading

It's easier to remember the reading with furi, at the cost of solidifying the kanji

pick your poison

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>>17963129
>I did all the steps including adding pictures
Most people don't use the pictures. There's a reason they're optional extras.

>But for the example sentences with the Kanji in it it doesn't break down what the individual words are and it just confuses me instead of teaches me
They're just there to provide context, so don't worry about them too much.

As >>17963214 says, the translations in the Core deck (actually, this goes for basically any source of example sentences, including dictionaries) tend to be quite liberal and are more about conveying the idea than the literal, word-for-word meaning (which is very difficult when dealing with two languages as different as English and Japanese).

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>>17963235
>did anyone start zero from these threads and get really better?
Yes
>how long did it take
Hard to say, but I noticed after at least the first VN that reading became smoother with less re-reading
>and are you able to hold up a conversation in japanese?
I don't talk to anybody in english, why would I want to in japanese?

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おなかいたいと

はいてんしょんになるよね

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>>17963261
How long did reading the VN take/which VN, and at what point did you start? I don't know if I'm ready to jump into reading yet. I'm about 1.5k words in after 3ish months and have gone through tae kim + half of DOJG, but I often forget a lot of grammar too.

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>>17963235
Yeah. I don't think I'm "good" yet (270 on J-CAT 6 months ago), but I can read most things that I want to. I've been studying for 20 months now. I've never talked to anyone in Japanese, so I don't know.

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>>17963230
>Can I learn to read kanji if there is furigana in what I read?
If you are making cards for them in Anki, yes. Otherwise, pic related.

>Just what is the best way to learn kanji?
Learn radicals for sure. Including how to write them (helps a lot for when you have to use the google translate handwriting thingy).

I would also recommend you (temporarily) do a little bit of writing in general (pick a few kanji you encountered during the day and write them out once each), but there's no need to go overboard by delving into RTK and stuff. That's all a huge waste of time in my opinion (one big problem with it is that it's useless to know how to write one kanji in isolation if you don't know how to 'spell' any of the words it's used to write).

Here's Tae Kim's opinion on kanji for further reading, if you care:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2014/06/23/you-cant-learn-kanji/

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>>17963272
While it's good to push boundaries a bit instead of e.g. drilling every single chapter of genki you might wanna review grammar. Japanese The Manga Way is a quick refresher/crash course in grammar that should prime you for light reading

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>>17963272
>How long did reading the VN take
about 2 months
>which VN
flyable heart
>and at what point did you start?
around 8 months, after finishing some manga series like yotsubato, 惡の華, まんが家と
At the level you're at now, I would suggest against reading grammar guides in isolation, and only when reading.
And start on yotsubato if you can. There is no point to any of what you're doing if you don't put it to use.

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>>17963261
>>Hard to say, but I noticed after at least the first VN that reading became smoother with less re-reading
Did you ever try going back to a beginner guide like Genki or Tae Kim after finishing it?

I did and it was amazing how natural all the things that I had struggled so much to understand before felt. I would read the example sentences and their meanings would just instantly click for me, and I was left wondering how they ever confused me in the first place.

Language is a pretty 不思議 thing.

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>>17960412
晶「ええええ、俺が悪い流れになってる！」
What is he saying here? I don't understand the 悪い流れになってる part

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>>17963272
Forget "ready". Just read. The fact that you've gone through half of the DoJG (how you managed to endure that, I don't know) is already overkill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

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>>17963370
of course i did, I still go back to hjgp on occasion
grammar guides to me are just like a game wiki, I don't really see the point it using it alone without playing the god damm game
also, you get instant feedback on an action, which makes it active learning, something all SRS is trying to promote

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>>17963370
That's why DJT recommends rushing the starting books to get the minimum necessary to push through reading yeah? Genki is impossibly dull even for a textbook though

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>>17963397
>Genki is impossibly dull even for a textbook though
It's a shame all textbooks aren't like "An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese". Brief explanation, a few example sentences to demonstrate the principle, then onto the next grammar point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963383
どうして話が、私が悪い、という方に流れてしまっているのですか。

だよ

流れはけっこうへんないみでつかうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963422
Meanwhile in Imabi

>An impenetrable explanation and a wall of text of examples with no reminder of how they apply to explanation, often times with non-sequiturs buried within each other

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963471
>>An impenetrable explanation full of English spelling and grammar errors
fixed that for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963480
Thanks for the fix.

[Anonymous No.]

I hear that the best reason to mine words is to have context for what you're memorizing, but my dumb little old man brain can only handle ten new words per day, especially after working. However, whenever I read, I mine a ton of words, at least 50 or so in an hour usually. So there's no way in hell I can keep up with all these new cards. Should I only mine rare words? I feel like "common" words are often hard for me to remember just by reading, though (last attempted work was an LN that I didn't mine from at all and as a result only picked up like one word).

[Anonymous No.]

もしもひとつねがいがかなうのなら

あいにじかんをください

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963623
common, uncommon, rare words will be defined differently by everyone, but if they are common, they will pass through anki faster anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963623
There's no rule saying you have to mine every new word you see. You can just mine the first 10 if you want, then ignore the rest. If a word is useful, you'll see it again sooner or later anyhow, so you'll mine it eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963289
よりせいかくには

ふだんかいていないかんじは

だんだんかけなくなる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17960412
>暑さに弱く、寒さに比較的強く、与えられたご飯はとりあえず平らげ、権力者にはシッポを振って。そんな戌年生まれの私です。

>Weak to heat, but comparatively resilient to cold wheather, when I'm given something to eat, I eat it right away and I wave my tail to the powerful. I'm that kind of Dog in the Chinese horoscope.

This has been written by the illustrator of a manga. Am I getting this right? The weirdest part to me is the fact that she (or he) is bragging about being a bootlicker:

>権力者にはシッポを振って

Is Japanese society this weird? I think I must have gotten this backwards somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

To the friends who have already dropped Anki, how do you go about learning new words? Have you just learned so many constructions that it's pretty easy to remember new ones? Or do you stop on the spot to memorize new words when they appear?

[Anonymous No.]

So i've been learning a bit of Japanese and so far Hiragana and Katakana have been pretty fun. I haven't gotten into Kanji yet, but is it really as grindy and annoying to learn as everyone seems to claim it is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963922
Kanji being impossible is 50% meme 50% reality. The more you learn, the more you realize how little you know, it seems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963922
its grindy and annoying for people that try and learn them in isolation, instead of just remembering words

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963743
どこがわからないの

にがてなこともあるけど

げんきですっていっているんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1391153

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963139
>>17963156
>>17963214
>>17963250
So should I not be using Anki? I just started getting the hang of how it works.

One more thing that's confusing me...

一つ
Hitotsu

一
Ichi

If I see 一つ is there ever a time it'll read as ichi then tsu starting a new word? Will I be able to understand the distinctions over time or will it always be hitotsu?

[Anonymous No.]

Can I skip out on learning things like 三日 in the beginning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964034
三ヶ日

ちっさいケがはいるといみがぜんぜんかわるよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964017
For starters, read the fucking guide

[Anonymous No.]

像
I think this kanji is incredibly cute. It looks like a mosquito.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963971
しらばっくれるなよ。痛いだから。

[Anonymous No.]

Is it normal to literally only remember 20% of the cards I saw for the first time yesterday? I feel like it's taking forever to pound in these words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964167
I felt like that so i dropped my cards per day down to like 3. I'm at 5 now and I can remember most of them after a day or two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964190
I'm trying to do 25 per day and almost through my N5 vocab deck but fuck it takes forever. I end up having to take several days just to really make sure I know the 25 I did at the beginning on the week, so I basically can get through maybe 50 per week if I'm lucky.

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>>17964202
Do what I did and just drop it down to 5-10. if you feel like you can learn more add 2 the next day until you feel comfortable. You're only wasting a few days out of the years and years you're going to be learning so it's not a bad trade.

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>>17961974
>I did RTK, though.
Stop fucking lying. No one who did RTK would confuse 楽 and 薬. I bet you're one of the pathetic faggots who have been living in these threads since /a/, spending day in day out starting flame wars, samefagging and getting into pointless autistic arguments.

厨房氏ね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964218
>>17964190
Would trying to read more help? Like maybe some manga? I'm really intimidated by reading since I'm only mostly through the N5 list and have skimmed a grammar guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964232
manga is like JLPT N3 good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964265
What am I supposed to do then? How do I learn?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964282
childrens books?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964282
do books like mina no nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

I hate learning Japanese. I want to learn the language so bad but I just feel so terrible about myself whenever I study and realize how awful I am at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964294
You'll be awful in the beginning, don't get discouraged just because of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964282
By reading those books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963743
may be the そんな is only modifying the 戌年 part of 戌年生まれ?
Any knowledgeable anon care to help?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964322
So read above my level?

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>>17964333
You're not gonna learn anything by walking in circles and shying away from actually trying to put what you've learned to use, anon. Sometimes the only way to get stronger is to get beat up first.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw see kanji in the wild and actually able to read and understand them
I-it actually works!

[Anonymous No.]

おはよーさん
みんな、あかんことしちゃあかんで！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964324
十二支って

えいごでなんていうの？

[Anonymous No.]

>past tense u-verbs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964606
What about them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964610
My brainlet can't handle too many rules.

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>>17964617
What rules about them are hard?
And regardless of which, you don't need to actively keep it in mind since you'll be learning things and conjugations over time, and eventually you'll be able to know which conjugations work in which way instinctively.

If it makes you feel any better, I only truly realized that the potential form (買える for example) is actually a thing, and I only just last month started to grasp the potential/passive form (られる, like in 生まれられる) but I know it'll take ages to fully grasp their meaning.
If I'm not horribly mistaken, the られる form is the basic conjugation for "[I] can/can't do [verb]" which makes sense. But it seems the plain potential form such as in 買える can also be used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964624
>I only truly realized that the potential form
Brainfart. I only just now, roughly 10 minutes ago, realized it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964606
How do you pronounce read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964624
I'm exaggerating. Just a little overwhelmed because this is the first conjugation that I am reading that has four different conjugations depending on the last character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964633

[Anonymous No.]

にせんなんねんうまれ？２０○○ねん（せいれき）

なんねんうまれ？＞○○ねん（へいせい）

なにどしうまれ？＞○○どし（じゅうにし）

できないきがしてきた

[Anonymous No.]

かんさいうまれ？なんでやねん（まんざい）

[Anonymous No.]

>It took me ~5 hours to (mostly) memorize the vowels, K/S and Ts
I-I'm doing alright, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964689
try mnemonics

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964678
昭和62年
うさぎ..まいったな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964763
平成マイナス２年のフレンズなんだね？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964776
そういうことです
若者めっていったら、年相応の気分かな

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have any good tips for speaking in Japanese to Japanese people in Japan. I am currently studying here and every time I try to strike a conversation my mind goes blank. I am still awfully bad at the language too which does not help one bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965226
try speaking japanese

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>>17965226
Look for some people who want to learn to speak English and take turns helping each other out.
There should be plenty of sites for language exchange partners. italki and lang8 come to mind, for starters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965226
Go to a bar or arcade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965239
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

Currently on week 3 of learning, I'm 3/4 through Tae Kim and doing like 30 new kanji every day on anki
I have a question though, is there a word that completely refuses to stick for you guys when you're learning it or using it? For me it's 時々and 多分, for whatever reason, my mind blanks out whenever i see them, it's kinda annoying

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>>17965272
Some words simply won't click for you and everyone has words like that. I've got a handful I can barely remember no matter how I try.
When you see the card, take extra time to remember it and ask yourself if it really is the card/reading you think it is. It'll help the card stick in your mind better if you spend more time trying to remember it.
But other than that, if you forget a word you thought you had nailed, it might just be because you don't see or use it much at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965239
えいごおしえてくれるのはうれしいけど

時差があるとじかんが

だいたいあわないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965272
I'm new as well but 走る and 部屋 always gets me.

[Anonymous No.]

What would be a good visual novel for learning if I tried Hanahira and Flyable Heart, and was bored by both?

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/qa/1741881
>Feature Request Ruby Annotation

I opened that Thread and submitted a feature suggestion.

I think it would be a nice addition to /a/ and /jp/ at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17964017
>>So should I not be using Anki?
You should use Anki, you just don't need the pictures from the Core deck, and you don't need to worry too much about the example sentences from it either since they're only there to demonstrate how the word is used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965272
>時々
If you know 時 and know that the consonant in the second part of compound words will often become voiced or semi-voiced (e.g. た > だ, は > ぱ), then this one shouldn't cause you any trouble. It's literally just 時 twice but following this rule so the second とき becomes どき.

>多分
多 has two katakana タ in it and is pronounced た.

十分、随分、部分、当分、分別 and so on. 分 is very often pronounced as ぶん.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965419
we don't even have webm titles added to file data descriptions, and they were added years ago
don't hold your breath

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965419
What's the point when we have Yomichan?

Also, nobody is going to go to the effort of using something like that just to make a post on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965449
>>多分
>多 has two katakana タ in it and is pronounced た.
That's a good mnemonic in that particular case, but he/one shouldn't rely it. For example, 払う sounds nothing like ム

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965465
Well we have Latex on /sci/ and there are automatic Generators for Ruby-markup.

(Thats why "<ruby>"-Tags in the original format and not "[ruby]" would be nice.)

[Anonymous No.]

I rarely get to be on my computer anymore so most of my studies are via mobile. What's the best way for RTK on android?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17960701
>>17961380
In a normal day of reading for 6-9 hours I add anywhere from 10 to 40 or 50 depending on the difficulty/genre.

>>17963225
I did all of core6k while reading through tae kim, first couple volumes of yotsubato, doujins, and a lot of dojg. Started reading VNs a little over a year ago. I didn't want to have to look up every word when reading VNs so I waited until I was done 6k to start(jokes on me i still had to.) I made sure to read at least 6 hours every day and normally did 40 new cards in anki.

When doing core I found I was copy pasting words into jisho all the time so I added the jisho button in my picture to my card template. Then later on the did the same but for searching [word+意味} in jap google to see different definitions and people asking questions about the word on chiebukuro. I think taking the few extra seconds to google most of my new words to get a better, more nuanced understanding made me remember them much better.
I switched to jap definitions a few months ago since I was pressing the google button for more than half of my new words anyway, but I still end up looking at chiebukuro for some words.
It is not required to switch to J-J definitions in anki in my opinion, but it helps me understand nuances of words and the differences between synonyms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965494
>reading for 6-9 hours
what the fuck
are you a neet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965543
When people say things like that, reduce the number by around two thirds to get closer to the real amount of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965580
alright i was just wondering
i just started yesterday with mining and i spent about 2-3 hours reading
i got about 50 words, it's flyable heart.

speaking of which, is the dad in flyable heart an outlier with the way they speak? I was told the novel was really easy and full of short sentences but his dad seems to just talk in paragraphs constantly

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965543
Of course.

>>17965580
Do you honestly think someone can't read for 6 hours? That's barely more than a cour of anime and if you're a neet you've definitely watched that much in a day. If you like reading VNs then you're not going to spend only spend an hour a day and end up taking months to read something like F/SN. When I just started out Rain's route in Baldr Sky took me over 100 hours, if I read for 2 hours a day I'd never be able to get to everything else I want to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965667
Nothing written for natives is easy for a beginner. Flyable Heart is less difficult than other games mainly because it uses a less diverse vocabulary. The grammar is only a bit easier than average.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965741
so basically everyone talks at length like the dad does
I guess i'll have to just muscle through, the conversation with the dad took me about 2 hours worth and I didn't even fully finish the scene

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963225
>but my VOCAB* is shit so I end up having to look up like 5 words in the process.
Well, that was an embarrassing mistake.

>>17965494
>and normally did 40 new cards in anki
Damn. Whenever I tried doing stuff like that in the past, it wound up being a one way ticket to Burnout City. My retention would drop like a rock and my reviews would wind up taking me forever to get through because there would be so many of them.

>searching [word+意味} in jap google to see different definitions and people asking questions about the word on chiebukuro.
I do this sort of thing before adding the words to my deck. My process for adding cards is to compare the definitions from Jisho and Kenkyusha while remembering the original context I saw the word in and also reading some of the example sentences from the Kenkyusha dictionary. If I still can't decide which 1-3 definitions represent the word best, I then read the definitions from Kojien (and sometimes Daijirin) to see how it's defined in Japanese.

I tend to only use Google and Chiebukuro when dealing with slang and expressions which tend not to show up in dictionaries.

>It is not required to switch to J-J definitions in anki in my opinion, but it helps me understand nuances of words and the differences between synonyms.
My main hesitation with doing it would be that it's a bit "bulky". Trying to recall a whole definition seems quite difficult compared to just recalling 1-3 English equivalent words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965580
When you're reading something you're really into, it's not difficult to read it for 6 hours or more in a day.

If what you're reading isn't making you want to read for that long, then you might want to consider looking for something more interesting.

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>>17965758
It's been a while but I think the dad is a bit harder. I remember someone complaining about him before. Anyway, it's always hardest for the first few days because you're getting used to the author's style. And the difficulty fluctuates throughout. The hardest part is the water fight scene in the common route and the easiest parts are the lovey dovey stuff in the character routes.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語を勉強してるについて後悔があるのか

[Anonymous No.]

Quick! I need some music as I go through 1000 reviews on anki. Something you think that is good and upbeat would be nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965817
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00

[Anonymous No.]

I MIX 表現　発見　実現 UP EVERY FUCKING TIME IN ANKI REEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965813
八重野 was the character I struggled to understand the most. The other characters I didn't have much trouble with usually, but his lines quite often threw me off for whatever reason. Doesn't help that his VA speaks at a rate of about 50 syllables per second.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965817
I dont think you should listen to music while doing anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965822
Learn radicals

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965822
Learn how to write these 表発実

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965816
Do I have any regrets learning Japanese? No. I wish I started way earlier like when I was 10 but didn't really know there were so many resources such as books at that age. And parents didn't help at all.
>>17965820
sounds good but need a playlist, ost, or album because I got a lot of reviews
>>17965825
everyone has their own style. this is my style. I still retain over 90% correct. it's just I need to to power through these 1000 reviews because I got backed up. music help me stay awake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965817
Trying to get through 1000 Anki reviews with upbeat music playing sounds like it would be more irritating than encouraging. You should have something to mellow you out and keep the frustration down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jljEJRTcXEI

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965741
>>17965758
I've been digging through absolute shithole that is listening-reading 'manual' and file server yesterday, and while material is, to put it mildly, a bit hard to use, main principle seems easy enough to apply to translated VNs.
The method the author claims allowed him to gain good listening comprehension in 3 days was to first read a short grammar guide, and then to listen to one audio book for 8 hours each of these days, making that 3 listen-throughs total, while reading parallel texts in native and learned languages. And while he apparently never heard of VNs and complain that japs don't like audio books at all, VNs seem to be the perfect medium for that method (if it's indeed a method and not trolling). Just run original and translated versions side by side and gain a bonus of a pause after each sentence, which audio books don't provide.

Anyone tried that method or any variation? Or maybe someone noticed that after reading taekim or sakubi playing translated VNs increase his listening comprehension?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965836
ok i'll try this with the youtube mix but it might make me sleepy. see you in 2hrs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965844
If you want something chill but also a little lively, try advantage Lucy instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u06JXvAw2yo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965816
Not starting sooner, not studying more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965842
>VNs seem to be the perfect medium for that method
Not really considering only like 5% of the lines are actually voiced and the rest is just the protagonists lines and internal monologues.

[Anonymous No.]

Today I learnt that Japanese is the second most popular foreign language in China (after English).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965816
Yes.

It makes feel like I'm retarded. I'm starting to think I am retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965870

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965865
The majority of text in normal VNs is voiced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965869
That's not surprising at all. China loves otaku culture as much if not more than every other country, you only have to look at how much translated shit they get to know that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965901
The majority of vns don't have voice actors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965890
No seriously, I think I'm retarded. I've just finished learning hiragana and katakana. And I've only a bit of Tae Kim. How do you people do it? I can't continue

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965911
The majority of VNs aren't normal VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965842
I don't see how the translation is important for listening comprehension. You can improve your listening comprehension by paying attention to the audio in VNs but it's slow going. I made way faster progress when I started practicing with anime/drama CDs. But VNs made that transition painless by bringing me to a basic level without all the effort involved in listening as a total beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963743
Anyone? This sentence can't be that difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

How am I supposed to read the last part of インフィニティウォー?
Infinity World, maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965958
war
infinity war

you're a marvelfag aren't you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17963743
>>17965947
What's weird about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965977
Nah, I just have my Twitter sidebar set to show trending topics from Japan so I can get some small reading reps in, in between shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965919
>And I've only a bit of Tae Kim.
Try https://sakubi.neocities.org/ instead. Also you are not supposed to learn grammar guides, but read them once and proceed to reading manga/vns/novels/whatever, going back to grammar guides or references when you don't understand what the fuck are you reading.
And this is why I like sakubi more than tae kim, one page with browser search >>> many pages with wordpress search.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965980
She's saying she's a bootlicker. No matter your view on society, nobody says "I'm a bootlicker" unless they're suicidal or have pathologically low self-esteem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965958
Huh, I dunno. That's a tough one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965987
>one page with browser search >>> many pages with wordpress search.
Prepare to have your entire life revolutionized

There's a PDF of Tae Kim's guide

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965919
please dont listen to >>17965987
if you're already confused this meme guide will only confuse you even more

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965933
>I don't see how the translation is important for listening comprehension.
You are supposed to understand what are you listening to, or so that dude say. But for him that method is a crash course of learning (to understand spoken) new language, not something you do after 3 months of rtk, half a year of ankiying 6k, and a year of reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965991
That's one way to interpret it, but it's really more like not questioning authority because you don't want to stand out or get into trouble or just don't care.

[Anonymous No.]

Where can you download Flyable Heart? I tried looking in the DJT guide, but found nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966016
You didn't look hard enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966003
>暑さに弱く、寒さに比較的強く、与えられたご飯はとりあえず平らげ、権力者にはシッポを振って。そんな戌年生まれの私です。

>Weak to heat, but comparatively resilient to cold wheather, when given something to eat, It eats it right away and it waves its tail to the powerful. Such is the dog, my sign in the Chinese horoscope.

I can understand it better this way. Is changing the subject of the first sentence to "The dog" completely wrong, though? Like if the そんな was only talking about the 戌 part and not the 年の生まれ.
I don't know, 権力者にはシッポを振る does seem to have an inherently negative connotation to it wherever I look it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966024
It doesn't have a direct list of VNs indeed, but I found it one of the torrent sites they link in the FAQ. I hope the 0 seeds on sukebei are just some website bug, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965992
You're absolutely right. Sorry!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966037
I wouldn't do that, since 戌年生まれ is describing 私. A quick glance at pages like http://干支スター.com/inu-seikaku-tokutyou/ does reveal that people born in the year of the dog are in fact commonly associated with diligence and dutifulness, though.
Also, I'm pretty sure you're expected to be a bit of a bootlicker in Japanese corporate culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966074
>I hope the 0 seeds on sukebei are just some website bug, though.
Like anything older than may 2017 on nyaa.si being a restored backup of nyaa.se

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966084
I thought they were kind of ashamed of being bootlickers? Like it shows that you're doomed to be a lowlife salaryman your whole life or something.
But whatever, I think she meant that in a way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966101
Which means it actually has 0 seeds, I presume.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is 米 read like メ in 亜米利加?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966109
Nah, I am downloading right now and am getting a decent rate.
Just seems to be some database issue, the magnet itself is fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966114
More importantly, why is it read as メートル in 1米?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965995
PDFs suck.

There's also a single page version of Tae Kim's guide but it's very outdated and the HTML is too dirty to edit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966123
Meter
It's applied to that kanji because it was/is used a counter for distance (like m, in or ft).
It's eigo'on. (No idea if that term actually exists)

[Anonymous No.]

褒めてくれ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966109
The seed count only includes people that are connected to the new nyaa's tracker. Only people who downloaded from the new site or manually updated their list are connected to that. But your client will still find most of the seeds who downloaded it on old nyaa through DHT. The "Completed downloads" count is a good indicator that a torrent is still alive via DHT despite having 0 seeds on the new tracker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966164
やるじゃないかあんた

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966164
まあな、悪くへんし
これちょいと遅いやけどな

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966180
Thank god for DHT's existence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966164
for what? you're taking way too long to answer each card. if you can't answer it in five seconds you shouldn't be passing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966282
I'm reading the appropriate KKLC text box each time I encounter a new card.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966293
i'm unfamiliar with that deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966282
If you aren't leaving anki open while not paying attention to it, letting the timer run up, what are you even doing with your life?

[Anonymous No.]

At how many cards do words with multiple kanjis you've already seen show up

I'm guessing that's what the main words are of this 6000 card deck

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw you slowly start to see your reading speed get better

There's not a better feel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966356
Yes. Some new ones do appear, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966375
I bet 'wtf, why am I thinking in Japanese' feels better. At least it felt pretty good when I exposed myself to enough English to think in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966403
This is the best phase. I've accidentally replied in Japanese before and that is the worst phase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966463
How long did it take for you to get there?

[Anonymous No.]

Mining is really the best way to learn a language. But I want to collect books and I like reading them better than I like regular computer screens. When should I transition without feeling guilty about not mining all those delicious words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966486
You should stop liking paper books, you luddite.

[Anonymous No.]

>pic
What's the point of this note? When would anyone ever refer to an inanimate object as "injured"?

>Sorry I'm late! The bus I was on got injured so I had to walk the rest of the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966538
Dunno, but considering there are specific words for fixing up animate and inanimate things as well as state of being for animate and inanimate things, you might as well leave it in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966486
You seem to be creating a dilemma where there isn't one. You can mine from a physical book, the same way you can mine from manga scans. Just type the word out instead of copy-pasting it or using Yomichan or whatever.

If you don't want your computer on while you read, you can always write the words out into a notepad or whatever then type them up later. No need to know how to write kanji from memory if you have the character right there in front of your eyes. So long as you know how to write the radicals and have a basic feel for stroke order, you can reliably write out 99% of kanji correctly just by looking at them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966538
like if a pot was broken or something i'm guessing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966638
I take it you aren't a native speaker. You would never use "injure" when referring to a pot.

Words like "injure", "hurt" and "wound" only ever apply to the physical or emotional state of animate beings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966538
It's something a kid might do if they don't know any better or are trying to be cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966538
Legally, corporations (and humans) can be injured by defamation and breach of contract and the like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966703
A corporation is a group of people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966682
>using J-E dictionaries
get out or shut up newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966713
It's not just a group of people. It's a person itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966720
Every time I see a post like this, I wonder if the person making it could make the post in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966713
A corporation is not a group of people. It is a legal entity that is owned by people, and employs people, but it is not any of these people. "4chan LLC" isn't a group of people.

Even if it were a group of people it still wouldn't be an animate object because that's not how the term is used.

[Anonymous No.]

i don't fucking get it I have 85% retention yet I fail the exact same words every 3 days every fucking day holy shit i'm a complete dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966538
Why is that term usually (seemingly) written in katakana? The kanji don't seem to be particularly uncommon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966749
There's a reason why anki tags these words as leeches and suspends them by default. Rewrite the cards somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

How good is this doc for choosing what vn to start with learning?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KnyyDt7jimEz-dgeMSKymRaT2r3QKBPm9AzqZ6oUWAs/pub#id.cwlxotz70k6z

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966842
terribad

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966852
is there a better one around?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966842
>>17966949
Basically all these sorts of things are terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

Where do you look for raws when neither nyaa, madokami, animebytes, the CoR or any of the DJT-run raw manga sites have the manga that you're looking for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966842
There are some decent options on there for a beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967015
http://raw-zip.com/category/raw-manga-online/
http://www.jcafe24.net/index.php?board=298.0

I usually go here. But if it's not on AB then you're probably shit out of luck.

And speaking of which, is the DJT library thing in the website updated often?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967047
Does AB have a lot of raws? Fuck me, I really want an AB account.

>>17967015
Besides what the other anon posted, have you tried Perfect Dark? It's pretty much dead, but I've found stuff on there, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967047
>But if it's not on AB then you're probably shit out of luck.
Nah, AB seems to be terrible for raws. I have more luck finding stuff on nyaa and the various DJT sites.

I don't get why it's so hard to find raws of stuff that has been translated anyway. Why don't scanlation groups share their raws?

Thanks for the links, by the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967015
>>17967047
http://www.manga-zone.org/
http://doujin.onajin.link/?raw-hunters/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967068
>Why don't scanlation groups share their raws?
Because they paid for it and don't want to share.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966949

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967088
I found this pretty easy to read too
https://vndb.org/v15473

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967093
Yeah, it's brilliant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967095
I don't know about brilliant since only one route is actually relevant and every other route just seemed tacked on for the sake of being there.

[Anonymous No.]

Man, everyone posting these cute VNs and here I am just trying to understand TaeKim's guide on grammar.
Fuck, I want to read these so badly. I really should just power through the grammar guide instead of spending 10 minutes on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967102
I mean how easy it is to read.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the whole hooking setup with Firefox and ITHVNR is deterring me from reading. It doesn't take much time but it is kind of annoying to do the whole thing and not being able to just immerse myself in the VN. I think I'll just do without it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967108
How does ITHVNR prevent you from immersing yourself in the VN? You should only be looking at the text hooker unless it's words you don't know. Otherwise, it's no different than reading a VN like normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967103
youre going to be going back through it anyways while reading, or hgjp

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967115
Well coming across unknown words frequently certainly does that. In the end I just end up with the actual VN taking up 1/4th of the screen and Firefox a big half. I'd rather just full-screen it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967088
alright i'll do axanael
should I use a different dictionary than jisho for picking out words or will it be fine?

[Anonymous No.]

>VNs
>not reading LNs
It's like you don't want to learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967147
Name some good ones that are:
- in the DJT library (all volumes)
- professionally digitized (all volumes)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967130
Just hook the text into Firefox and use Yomichan to look words up. Much easier.

See the resources guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967088
I've been reading Saya no Uta as my first vn in japanese (I've read a couple of complete mangas in nip already) and I find it very convoluted at times in its vocabulary and sentence structure. Is it just me being retarded or is the game written in a baroque way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967175
it's written like literature. dunno what you expected

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967147
im dumb and need pictures to keep me engaged in learning as a beginner
see: picture books for kids learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967175
Urobuchi is as difficult as any VN author who's not Mareni.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967175
Urobutcher is about the worst author you can start with

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967103
Don't worry, anon. I went through TK and Sakubi and can't read for shit. I just imported kids books and if I can't get through those I'll probably seppuku.

[Anonymous No.]

What kanji do you find easiest and even meditative to draw?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967213
It takes time, not effort. Don't worry this much about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967154
Most popular LNs don't even have all volumes published. You could just get over that hang-up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967216
一

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967225
>hang-up
How is wanting to be able to read the entire series a "hang-up"?

Would you watch an anime where only the first 6 episodes were available and you'd never be able to see how it ended?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967216
本 is dead easy and fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967237
I watch a ton of anime that are adaptations of incomplete LNs and manga and may get sequels depending entirely on the market. Normally a season of anime provides the same provisional closure as a volume of an LN.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't get this fucking yomichan epwing import tool to work. It just keeps tellibg me it can't find zero-epwing. Can someone just upload a "precompiled" kenkyuusha for me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967237
If you follow serialized works for long enough, you'll realize that endings are highly overrated and this definitely isn't sour grapes from watching so many series never get endings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967154
http://ncode.syosetu.com/n2267be/1/

Just read re:zero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967352
>re:meme
no thanks

Also what's the difference between the webnovel and the light novel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967275
>may get sequels depending entirely on the market
Yeah, and it's always really depressing when they don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967354
Web novels started out on amateur websites such as narou with all that entails.

Light novels either started out as a light novel or are a cleaned up, edited version of a web novel.

Either way, compared to real books you're more likely than not getting complete trash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967348
Figuerdf it otu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967364
No, I meant what's the difference? Like plot differences or other characters?

For example, the Overlord webnovel doesn't have Albedo while the LN does.

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good MAL-like website for manga?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967495
MAL has manga on it.

There's also Baka-Updates which is better in terms of info, but the site design looks like something from the early 2000s.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967518
I should have mentioned, I've tried both of those sites already. They seem to be missing a number of entries, from stuff in the COR.
like I can't find 手と手を合わせて at all on either site.
Any nip sites you could recommend maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967222
Thanks for the response. It's still really demotivating. I guess I just need to find a method and stick to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967534
>Any nip sites you could recommend maybe?
You should know that the Japanese internet is about 2 decades behind the English internet. Even when it comes to websites about Japanese things.

Even google hardly has any info about the manga you mentioned, but it does have a Baka-Updates page (albeit an almost empty one):
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=119854

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a template for yomi which doesn't strip out the linebreaks from EPWING? Currently using the "compressed like Rikai-sama" template and it produces this. I don't mind the example sentences since I didn't delete them with Rikai either, but having everything with no line breaks makes it impossible to use for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967593
Also, it'd be great if I could only include the EPWING definition instead of all three. Is this possible?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966321
stop describing me thanks
also should i activate the timer? currently my setup is to just give me unlimited time to answer the cards

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967746
I leave it off. Mainly because I'm a stupid fuckwit and the pressure from a timer does not help at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966375
>got to the point where I start not concentrating while reading and not remembering what I just read
I don't know if I should be happy or frustrated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967593
You're better off just adding definitions in manually, that way you don't wind up with half a billion on the back of your card cluttering it to fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17966375
>tfw trying to start reading but it's so painfully slow that it feels like i'm going to give up

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967577
>https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=119854
oh I guess you're right, maybe I just suck at searching.
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967822
If you read a line 3 times and still don't get it, move on. Makes things much less frustrating/tedious.

Sometimes what's preventing you from understanding a line is the missing context which gets filled in in the subsequent line(s) and after reading those you can go back to the original line and solve it easily.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do I get a pressing urge to do my reps when I am most tired? For example after I masturbate.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is it that when an Japanese person says something in English it either sounds cool or hilarious, but when a English person says something in Japanese it sounds really cringy and lame?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967865
because dekinai-chan is the closest thing you'll ever get to having a gf

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967866
because you dont know the language

engrish at least a decade ago was almost always cringe, though somewhere along the way they realized how to make use of it properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967841
well i'm just new to learning japanese so its all weird
like i only hit 2k words in anki a few days ago
here's a sentence that i'm stuck on with a novel
this is like 3 lines into the novel, the only context before this is him talking about a DS game he bought
古くにネットで知り合った、自称天才プログラマーだ
but I can't really figure out what 古くにネットで知り合った is supposed to translate to

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967908
old (inter)net acquaintance? or net game since net seems to mean that a lot now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967946
nevermind, dont know what im talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967958
>>17967946
Second attempt:
"They're a self proclaimed prodigal programmer, who (I) was acquaintances with on the net long ago"

If someones better than me (most probably are) tell me how retarded I am

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967908
A self-proclaimed genius programmer I met a long time ago online.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968016
>met
*got to know/became acquainted with

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967970
>>17968016
so is my knowledge of japanese bad, wouldn't it make more sense to say 自称天才プログラマーだ and then 古くにネットで知り合った?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968030
That way of saying things is common in Japanese so you better get used to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968035
could you explain why it is that way? i feel like if i have it explained it'll make more sense than just blindly accepting it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965809
Nothing is interesting enough to read for 6 hours in a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968047
I don't really know the "why" behind it, but you get used to it pretty quickly. Once you've read a bit, it'll just seem normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968054
Not for you maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968030
You're thinking in English. The modifier precedes the modified word. 古くにネットで知り合った is modifying what's in front of it in the same way as 自称天才.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968115
are there any articles or anything that go more in-depth with this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968143
Japanese: The Manga Way. Get it from the OP link.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you think it's possible to learn Japanese and Korean at the same time?
I've been readinga few manhuaw recently and I'm hooked on them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968345
It's possible for the severely autistic but the vast majority of people who try to learn two of the most time-consuming languages at the same time will drop one or both. At least study one language for a year first so you understand the effort required.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm like 150 words into core2k and I haven't started tae kim yet. When and how should I start reading yotsuba? Not joking by the way. I want to start reading something already to kickstart my learning even further but I don't know what I should do now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968461
So you know words but you don't know how to make a proper sentence? Yeah, you're probably not reading things any time soon.
I would have started with TK first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968461
read taekim, notetake, etc, so that the first run internalizes more than skimming it with reading alone. then probably read yotsuba while doing its vocabulary packs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968461
TK/Genki/whatever is more important than Core.

If you haven't read something like Tae Kim or Genki, reading anything in Japanese is going to be pretty much impossible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968054
The fuck? 6 hours is nothing. Have you never gotten so into a book that you just loose track of time and spend a ton of hours on it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968478
>>17968502
>>17968529
Alright thanks for the advice. I'll get to Take Kim and take minor notes on it once I'm done ankigrinding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968552
You will never finish Anki but you can finish Tae Kim. Just do it now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968461
>>17968529
Or at the very least, you should read this:
http://nihongo.monash.edu/dirtyguide.html
(very bare-bones but it covers the basic essentials if you really can't stand to read a longer guide)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968559
Fuuuuuuuck. I would use this instead of Tae Kim but it's romaji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968558
>>17968559
I need to finish my reps because I feel like shit as a result of not finishing my daily reps for the past week. Once I'm done with this I'll drop new cards to 10 in core2k and pick pick up the yotsuba reading pack 1 and do tae kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968571
>but it's romaji
Doesn't really matter. It's so short that it's not like you'd get any practice reading kana or kanji from it even if it used them.

Just know that there's probably a lot of stuff missing from it. The PDF version of Tae Kim's guide is something like 350 pages long, whereas I can get to the bottom of that "Quick and Dirty" guide in 10 presses of the Page Down key.

[Anonymous No.]

Kinda new here. When going through Tae Kim should I be reviewing each section until I've got the concept in question memorized or is it okay to move on even if I have a tenuous grasp? I'm having a little trouble remembering some conjugation rules but I feel like it's something that will be easy to pick up on over time. And should I be spending time on the practice questions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17960412
>どうせお前はまた初日に全部終わらせたんだろ
They're talking about not pushing the summer break problem sets for the last day. What I don't get is the また is doing there. また初日? What would that mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968600
no, autistically memorizing all of the grammar will take years if you do
use practice questions if you feel like you need them to help solidify its usage

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968603
お前 has repeatedly 全部終わらせた on the 初日 of summer break.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968588
>>17968571
Oh wait, turns out someone had made a kana-fied version:
http://nihongo.monash.edu/kanaqadgtj.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968619
Does また have that repeatedly meaning? As in 頻繁?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968619
>>17968632

NVM, it's the usual 再び meaning.
Don't know why I couldnt recall that. It's everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967534
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=515949&show=0#post2
If you like MAL the most, just add it man
mutual benefit for other users too

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968620
I can't believe people prefer this over sakubi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968345
they have similar grammar and share chinese vocabulary, give it a shot i guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968700
I don't know that anyone here does. I've known about it for a while but I don't think I've ever seen it posted here before. Since that guy seemed to want to get started reading ASAP, I figured it'd be worth sharing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968700
please do not false flag

[Anonymous No.]

Am I slow or is tae kim actually a fucking terrible teacher

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968715
It's not that bad it has some minor writing problems that might make you feel that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968711
Sakubi is unironically the guide I wish had existed when I learned. Maybe the fact that I already know this shit has made me completely unable to evaluate beginner guides.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968728
It's probably what you just said

Aside from the big name guides though, there's not much preference between different guides, among people in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968715
I didn't like his guide but maybe that was just the result of butthurt over not understanding things and wanting someone to blame it on.

[Anonymous No.]

When you all say read Tae Kim what exactly do you mean? I read it but I didn't study it, so I'm not really sure if I got anything out of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968753
Do what Sakubi says to do with Sakubi but with Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Eustia a better first VN than Sen no Hatou? Or are they about the same?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968766
why would you read either of them as your very first VN

i mean if you really want to go for it but if you're just looking for something there are many better options

[Anonymous No.]

why did riceniggers make their language so hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968788
i know the /int/ thread is being spammed by a madman but there is never an excuse to bring racist garbage to /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968788
尊皇攘夷

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968753
Clearly you're not supposed to read it like a belletristic book. Who would've thought?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968790
thats not racist

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968797
it is in fact racist

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968799
if i didnt like the slanty eyed why would i be learning the language

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968806
completely irrelevant

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968788
Considering the IQ gap and muh dick, you're the nigger here.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm surprised that there's a difference between 探す and 捜す. It's interesting and also frustrating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968832
I still haven't seen it in action, what's the difference?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968834

No different than the differences between kanji spellings for any other Japanese words. They're different senses of the same word. Just like 速く vs 早く.

[Anonymous No.]

Textbook recommendations? I'd like to work through something more formal after finishing TK and find Genki really condescending and hate the illustrations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968834
https://chigai-allguide.com/%E6%8E%A2%E3%81%99%E3%81%A8%E6%8D%9C%E3%81%99/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968834
欲しいものを見つけ出そうとする場合に「探」、見えなくなったものを見つけ出そうとする場合に「捜」を使うことが多い。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968844
They're all bad. Read and do flashcards for a while with grammar dictionaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968844
Get DOJG and start reading, what's the point of going over the same stuff again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968861
>DOJG

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968844
If you must use a textbook, do one with as much Japanese as possible like みんなの日本語.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968861
Do you suggest reading DOJG from start to finish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968868
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968868
NO

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968868
I meant reading stuff with the help of DOJG, not reading DOJG.

[Anonymous No.]

The fuck is DOJG?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968883
dictionary of japanese grammar series

[Anonymous No.]

I think I'm missing the joke with 霊感 here, I'm guessing it's relevant to 「特別な存在でしょ」 in the final line? Any ideas?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968769
I was told Eustia was beginner friendly

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968925
It's beginner friendly, but it's a bad idea as your very first VN. It's completely ordinary Japanese, so it's going to be above your level a lot of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968925
I'll never recommend long VNs as someone's first VN. I'm not saying you can't do it but from my experience, long VNs can be a drag at times given how slow your initial reading speed is which can just frustrate you and ruin the pacing and make it seem much longer than it actually is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968933
>>17968944
So what do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968963
Hanahira, Flyable Heart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968963
Manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968883
The poor man's HJGP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969007
Hentai Japanese Grammar Pictures?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968979
Is Flying Witch a good beginner manga?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969042
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/
not lewd at all
whole hearty disappointing compared to FUCK! は基本

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969058
I skimmed it, looked good to me.

[Anonymous No.]

so i should begin mining after 2k? 6k?
im doing 2k and have been mining but from reading this thread it seems like i should wait?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969133
>ctrl + f mining
>mining really is the best...
>try not to mine easy words...
>started mining after...
anything else you'd like to be wrong about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969153
>>17960871

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969172
Where does it say to wait, dickshit?

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone use tachiyomi? i downloaded the app from fdroid and then the senmanga plugin to read raw, but that didn't work at all

tl;dr. are there any good online raw manga reader apps out there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969187
I do, but I use a local library and it's a pain in the ass to set up

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969172
Ebin appeal to authority without knowing the content of the deck or the actual ability of the poster.
Stupid fucking manchild.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969172
>>17969183
>>17969224
All three of you are idiots. Just wanted you to know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17962067
Going for the N1 in NY. Passed 3 and 2 on my first time, hopefully it isn't as hard as it sounds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965870
ぜったいにできる

りぴーとあふたーみ

てんたいむす

[Anonymous No.]

How can I call someone a fag in Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969420
ファゴット

[Anonymous No.]

>>17962067
I'm doing N2. Finished kanzen master and now ankidroning nihongo no mori.

[Anonymous No.]

rate my progress for 4 years

I barely read or get practice outside anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969533

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969533
This better be a joke my man

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969569
冗談は僕の一生です
kill me

[Anonymous No.]

いや単にもっと努力を出すなアカンで
一生懸命頑張ろー

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969601
ダメだ
社会の圧力で死ねる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969635
そりゃ起こったらよかったやんか？
死ねば後世に行って心配や悩みが全部消えてまうわ
努力して出世すればええのに死ねばもうなんも感じへんで気楽やろ？

[Anonymous No.]

>have to reduce the number of words being studied a day cause my brain is fucking dumb
this is a bad feel

[Anonymous No.]

自分の脳をせいにするもアカンでわ！

[Anonymous No.]

What manga or VN can I read that's sad or at least wistful? I'm not too into cute eroge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969786
As a first read, that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969786
苺ましまろ

[Anonymous No.]

>先生から今日は授業がないと聞いたんだけど
Can someone help me understand the construction of this sentence? I know what it means but I can't really grasp how it's written.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969807
>先生から今日は授業がないと聞いたんだけど
[From the teacher] [today (topic)] [there isn't a lesson/any lessons] [(I) heard] [but]
Note: the "but" doesn't necessarily need to have a statement in contrast to what was just said. Or it could be more along the lines of "though" as in:
A: "We're gonna be late for class if we sit around for too long."
B: "I heard we don't have any class today though."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969816
Thanks. Are sentences like this common in Japanese? Do they mostly follow this formula?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969820
You could rephrase that in a ton of different ways, since Japanese technically lets you do that in almost any way you want.
But the basic sentence structure is Subject Object Verb, which most sentences follow. When things get colloquial, anything goes, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17967776
I don't mind having the whole EPWING definition on the back, if it's properly formatted. That's what I've been doing for 3000 cards now and it works for me. It seems like this shitty plugin cannot even do this simple task of making such a barebones card (or if it can, it's not easy enough to do for a non-hacker guy like me).

The whole point of mining (for me) is that I don't have to stop for more than just a few seconds after I read and understood the definition to actually mine it. I don't care if it's "cluttered" or if you think it's a bad way to learn (it might not work for you), but I 'd rather do that than manually spending half an hour to an hour manually copying definitions and so on.

If I can't do this with yomi, then it is not a rikai replacement in the slightest sense. When I first tried yomi, I immediately recognized how ugly it was, but I figured that I could at least use it in a pinch. Now I see that it can't even do this essential task for me.

Also, several anons mentioned that "if you just want to mine from EPWING, it's the same, except that you cannot use regex to remove the example sentences." I'd be curious whether these anons knew an actual way to make it work the same way, or if by "the same" they meant "not the same at all."

Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

How are the kanji for names? Are they random or they're based on sounds? Will a name that ends in ko always have this 子 kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969846
Names aren't "random" (the parents don't just randomly pick kanji or else they could end up with utterly meaningless names or something that's very easy to bully or make fun of) but there's basically no convention on them and they can be read in completely unexpected ways.
There are patterns to some of them, like for instance that 子 USUALLY is read as こ at least for female names, but it's not a guarantee. Last names are usually easier, especially common ones like 田中 which are usually pronounced exactly like you'd expect.
There are also a lot of kanji that are used in names only, so if you can't even guess a name's reading at all then that's probably just because it contains kanji not used for anything but names.

It's best if you just look up the name and see what the most common reading is, or ask the person how it's read, if you're talking to them directly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969860
I got sidetracked and forgot to answer the main question:
>Are they random or they're based on sounds?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Sometimes they're based on the common reading of a kanji (and one that's at least somewhat meaningful so you don't use stuff like 死 for shi's in names) but sometimes they're basically ateji.
Like 楽 being pronounced えでん.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969786
>>17969789
>as a first read
>so, aimed at children
>trying to make them cry
戯け

[Anonymous No.]

I'm back to trying to read 魔法使いの夜 after six months of abstinence and hoping that somebody will finally finish the translation and I already need help
彼は有珠を意識する事なく、また、無視しているわけでもなかった。
He did not mind Alice but also it was not the case that he ignored her
Is the last part right? わけでもなかった confuses me

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969978
Not aware of ... again
it didn't mean he was ignoring her

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969978
Yeah that's right.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else feel like learning and comprehending Japanese is a pretty surreal experience? We hear the meme of Japanese being the hardest language yada yada since we're little, but now that I am more and more getting good at it, it almost feels like I am not learning the "real" Japanese. Like a weird case of imposter syndrome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970028
Opposite for me. I feel like I "know" Japanese now aside from the fact I probably wouldn't even pass the N1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970028
I don't have this feeling at all. Maybe it's just because I don't try to measure or quantify my Japanese ability at any moment and just try to enjoy the content. We're all different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970028
Feels more like I THINK I know exactly what they're saying but I can never be totally sure.
What scares me the most is misinterpreting something that I think I understand but turns out to be an expression that means something totally different and I simply won't know because I think I understood what they said.

[Anonymous No.]

かんじがむずかしいのか

にほんごがむずかしいのか

どっちなのかは

はっきりしておいたほうがいいとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970046
this is deep!!! だね~ lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970064
Not sure what you're trying to say. I'm not being pretentious, I just feel like the way I'm interpreting a sentence is wrong even if it sounds completely fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970067
I know what you mean, anonymous-kun, I was just teasing. That's normal, after all, it's a totally different language. It will take years for you to be comfortable with it. I don't even know if you can become fluent without borning having contact with the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>conversations without any kanji

before I started learning I thought reading it with be much easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970052
>はっきりしておいたほうがいいとおもうよ
強いて言えば、文法には常に微妙な把握している
文句ではない、時間の問題でわかるでしょう
頑張ります

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw just managed to read a full sentence of Japanese on my own without needing to toss it in google translate it for the first time
Progress feels so good

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968544
Nope. The migraine I get from reading for more than 2 hours prevents time from slipping away from me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970136
Turn your monitor brightnesses down to the minimum and don't force yourself to read when you're tired. Migraines aren't triggered by such broad mental activities as reading, they're triggered by sensory and emotional stress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970136
>>17970143
Also, consume caffeine. It makes migraines harder to trigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968544
>>17965809
Wait, reading isn't physically tiring to other people?
I can't even read more than an hour or two in English without getting exhausted.

[Anonymous No.]

学校に行かないと友達と会えないよ

Can someone help me here? In this case, why is it 友達と会うに? Why is it と in this case? I struggle a bit understanding these articles

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970074
Why not? It's not like you need samurai blood folded 1000 times to know grammar and vocabulary. You don't even need to understand their ways of life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970149
You're not just copying these from a grammar guide, are you? Or have you even read one yet?
[School] [go to] [not] [then] [friend(s)] [together/with] [(can) meet] [not]
Or a bit less literally and word-for-word, [If not go to school] [then] [can't meet friend(s)]

The first と is a conditional, the latter one is basically just "with."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970136
Make sure your room is lit up while reading. When I was in school I would always be awake at night and had no light in my room outside the monitor, now I have a cheap lamp and everything is lit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970162
>You're not just copying these from a grammar guide, are you? Or have you even read one yet?
I actually got that example from Tae Kim, I was just wondering what the と in that case meant, cause I really don't experience it too often in sentences
Thanks for the help anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970097
あのんは

ぐーぐるほんやくつかってるとおもってた

ごめんなさいごかいしてた

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970170
と is used all the time, albeit mostly as a conditional, and mostly in shorthand conditionals/"must" phrases. Xしないとだめ and the sort.
But I guess the with/together sense doesn't actually appear much in the wild, come to think of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970183
So in this case, can you use を instead of と to mean 'meet with'? Or in the case of meeting, it's always と?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970179
なに言ってる、つかってないよ
どこにごかいした？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970217
やっぱりきかいっぽいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970149
と会う = mutual meeting up ("I met up with my friend over the weekend")
に会う = unilateral meeting up ("I bumped into X at the supermarket")

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970213
合う is intransitive so it NEVER takes を.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you guys find the time to study, learn japanese and play other games?
Or do you play no other games?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970358
I read an hour before bed every night, and do anki while waiting for classes to start.
I only play video games or watch anime on the weekends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970358
I personally don't do anything else at night but study Japanese in some way. Whether it's something brainless like anime or actual reading, or TK, or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970358
If by "other games" you mean ones completely unrelated to studying then I don't really play anything at all.
I take things at my own pace but I set one hour aside every day to at the very least do my reps. Then if possible I read for an hour or two. Sometimes I spend time reading random stuff on the internet in (or about) Japanese.
As for how I find the time to do it, I don't work and I study from home so I've got plenty of time.

[Anonymous No.]

いつもさがしているの

躰のかえるばしょと

命をかえすときを


おなかすいた

[Anonymous No.]

しっぱいした

軆の字をつかいたかったのに

[Anonymous No.]

>First printing, 1969
>Thirty-ninth printing, 1989
Did it really change that much since then, or it still looks like this in handwriting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970497
What is this, Fennellosa or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970517
Read japanese today by Len Walsh.

[Anonymous No.]

Help, guys. I think I'm starting to like げんき

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970497
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinjitai

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970567
Too late. Your real mistake was using げんき in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970538
>covers a whole 400 kanji
Why would you waste your time on this crap?

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone read Bowring's Introduction to Modern Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970607
Idunno, I like to read about kanji origins. Knowing that some radicals are actually evolved hand pictograph and not a rifle or crotch seem to help me to remember them better too. Though I should probably properly learn radicals after finishing this book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970612
Each "lesson" in the tables of contents is broken up into eight or so atomic parts.

It's also like 450~500 pages long. It teaches ながら on page 442. It teaches のに as in "purpose" on page 450. If it's that verbose and slow it can only be garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970612
What the hell is up with all these shitty guides that people are coming up with now? The only thing you need is Tyler Kim and the DJT guide, feel free to ignore the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>Anyone know <500 page grammar guide>?
>How good is <500 page grammar guide>?
>Can someone tell me about <500 page grammar guide>?

If you got recommended a 500 page grammar guide, you can safely ignore any language learning advice that person gives you, even if they're an authority figure in your life. Skill building through books about Japanese is something you need to minimize, not find the ideal resource for and spend lots of time on.

It can be tempting to look for new textbooks because you feel like the short simple free grammar guide you're using feels like it's not teaching you enough, but that's just doubt and bad expectations. You're going to feel like you don't understand grammar for a minimum of several several months, no matter how intensively and perfectly you study. You should focus on keeping your routine simple, focused on reading, and low-stress.

While it's important to stress that focusing too much on skill building (as in textbooks) is bad, doing the opposite and not challenging yourself at all isn't very good either. After several months pass, you need to be focusing almost all of your studying time on relatively difficult reading material, not the small amounts of very basic reading that you used early on to solidify what you learned from the short free grammar guide you were using.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970612

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970648
hahaha oh wow

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970624
>>Idunno, I like to read about kanji origins.
Get the Kojien EPWING dictionary.

Also:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170520172624/http://www.k3.dion.ne.jp/~masatono/every/busyu.htm
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/一部_(部首)

Trust Kojien first, the archived web page second, then use Wikipedia as a last resort.

English resources are really unreliable for this sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/HHsezFE5MMc
>Kamisama to me ga atte RIKAI shita
Even this cool rapper guy endorses RIKAI rather than the shitty "alternative" yomi

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970648
This is so blatantly wrong as to be hilarious. And this book was published by the University of Cambridge? Outrageous.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any good resources for learning/practicing pitch accent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970870
I haven't tried it, but maybe the "Shadowing" series.

[Anonymous No.]

Shouldn't we have a note on the neocities pages mentioning that they don't get updated very often and telling people to check the live Google Docs pages to see recent contributions.

As it stands, the neocities pages do link to their Google Docs counterparts, but there's no warning in place about how rarely the neocities pages get updated, so people might think that they're frequently updated when the reality is that they're often several months out of date.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970902
I'm an idiot and was assuming that the Google Docs was older, before the Neocities was created.

[Anonymous No.]

There is too many 貝 in 贔屓

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970870
>>17970877
Or, you know, talk with Japanese people.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971039
頑張れ、シン君

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970870
Why would you learn them in isolation? Are you like N1 level? Below that they are unimportant

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971039
Good luck mister N

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971039
がんばれ、ン様！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970870
Not in English.

http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/%257eaccent/accent.htm

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971064
>>17971058
>>17971044
ニッガ　ではないが
感謝です

[Anonymous No.]

ｗｈｙ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971094
Big words using librul

[Anonymous No.]

Would よつばと！be substantially easier than a 少年 manga? I'd like to start one but worry our mascot wouldn't hold my interest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971108
It's boring yes, but still a level below shoujo stuff in difficulty. In the latter, atleast you have actual middle/high schoolers talking to each other.
In Yotsubato, most dialogues involve people talking to a little kid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971108
I don't get why people find Yotsuba boring. Sure, it's lighthearted, but it's fun! I could read a chapter of it anytime, and it just warms my heart and heals my soul.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971159
I'm all for slice of life comedy but if it's about a little kid I just lose interest so quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17969183
>>17969224
>>17969237
I just wanted advice on mining because im new here.
Ill try to be more clear.
should i mine and study the cards i have mined right now? or save it until i finish core 2k/6k?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971431
If you haven't started reading yet, then Core2k is a better choice than mining words from whatever grammar guide you're reading.

If you're reading, you should be mining from your reading material though. The point of Core is to build up a basic vocabulary BEFORE you start reading so that when you come to read you won't have to look up so many words.

Do NOT do Core6k. It will take you the best part of an entire year. Even Core2k is overkill (~3 month investment). I say stop Core at the 1k mark if you do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971431
The faster you get used to mining, the better. Don't worry about duplicating words between your mining and core. Just hit easy a few times and the problem will be solved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971473
Long term, Core can be dropped because the words are so common that it's basically impossible to forget them once you're reading on a regular basis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17970248
頭大丈夫？

[Anonymous No.]

>just failed 友達 on anki even though i read it successfully every time for the past months and today

anki is such a meme because everything is as out of context as can be, it's a joke really

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971594
just uninstall it, my child

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971594
It helps a lot when you get to words you don't see often, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971645
I know, it's the necessary evil. I'm just having a moral dilemma about whether I should click [Again] in these cases

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971594
How is it Anki's fault that you don't pay enough attention to which words use which kanji and somehow still haven't learned how to read 友 and 達 after months of reading?

A poor workman always blames his tools.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17960412
お前さえいなきゃ！
Can't figure out how the meaning of this.

[Anonymous No.]

do the Japanese differ between crow and raven? I see 烏 used for both of them

not that I can tell them apart either but still

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971729
Anki only measures how good you are at doing Anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971733
お前さえ居なかったら駄目 most likely?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971737
Different kanji are used. They just look similar. Crow has one less stroke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971045
Because I would like to know how to read, write, and speak in a language I'm already spending all of my leisure hours on learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971733
"If only not for you, [something implied]!"

As in for example "if only not for you, my plan would have succeeded". Basically he is expressing frustration at the fact that お前 is the only thing standing in between him and what he wants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971762
Keep telling yourself that.

If you were more attentive, you wouldn't fail such an easy word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971836
>doesn't recognize obvious sarcasm

this highly correlates with autism

[Anonymous No.]

Insults and memes aside, what exactly is so bad about having autism anyway?
Seems like autism would be very useful when learning Japanese, if anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971832
>>17971778
Ah that makes sense, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971850
Really depends on the kind of autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971845
That word doesn't mean what you think it does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971861
There aren't "types" of autism. Autism is on a spectrum, yes, but the only two "types" of autism is plain autism and the insult type which just means you're an obnoxious person.
Being obnoxious is obviously not going to help you learn it.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

ごきげんいかが

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971850
>>17971861
Most people say autism when they're thinking of Asperger's, and yeah bring a borderline aspie actually does help me obsess over learning. Actual autism-autism though would make learning language next to impossible, since it fucks up communication

[Anonymous No.]

Beginning these and TK. Wish me luck!

[Anonymous No.]

Mining my first piece of content ever, I chose to do Axanael
"ＡＶスナッフロリショタ二次元三次元アプリシェアウェアギャルゲエロゲＢＬゲー乙女ゲーえー、あとなんだ？"
I wasn't expecting something like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971879
And then there's severe autism, like banging your head against the wall autism. There's actually an aussie autist right now in the /int/ /djt/ thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971879
>Impliying you need to communicate to learn a language

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971845
>doesn't recognize obvious sarcasm
poes law, fuckwit

[Anonymous No.]

>これまでも、自分から『良い子宣言』して成り立った試しがないのに、どう信用しろと？
I don't know why but I somehow can't wrap my head around this sentence. Could some help me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971929
Poe's law was invented by some salty proto-redditor who was ashamed because he got trolled. It's only slightly less abrasive than posting the "pretending to be retarded" meme or pic related to (attempt to) save face.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971960
so you don't understand it, good to know

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971957
ありえるー

そんなことないよーとかゆうのが

たいていおかねもち

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971850
>Seems like autism would be very useful when learning Japanese, if anything.
Autism is a mental retardation

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972002
I don't know if I understand right. Could you clarify for me the 「どう信用しろと？」 part?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971957
So far, they have never declared themselves a good kid and then having that been true, so how do they mean for me to trust in them (to have it be true this time)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972048
どう信用しろと

どうして信用できるというのだろうか（いや信用できない）

だよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971913
What's this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972063
>>17972077
二人ともありがとう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17971917
how's 20 words for an hours worth of mining? Is it too little if i'm just starting out?

[Anonymous No.]

How are you supposed to mine and keep going through core at the same time? or should I just stop adding new words in core even though I'm not even at 2000 yet

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best place to get untranslated material? Amazon is too sporadic, and forwarding from Japan takes a lot of time and money. (Unless someone knows a cheaper way to do it)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972238
What are you after?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972177
Keep two decks. Mining should be for words you've already encountered and translated. Core should be for new words that you probably haven't seen yet. If you have? Cool. If not, than Core2k is doing it's job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972251
Mostly manga including popular ones like JJBA and light novels, though textbooks/infobooks are nice. Im not looking for stupid huge bargains or anything, just no price gouging or inflation

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972177
Also, don't stop at 2000 words with the Core deck you are using. Go through the whole thing while keeping a mining deck on the side. If you're using Core6k, the last 4000 which make up Core 6k are more or less as useful as the first 2000.

>>17972270
Have you already read the volumes of ジョジョの奇妙な冒険 which are in the CoR?
>light novels
Have you looked at what is in the djt library and/or the CoR?
>though textbooks/infobooks are nice
A whole stack of those in the CoR.

Aside from that, Rakuten has easy to crack DRM for their ebooks and you can sign up with a fake address no problems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972255
I started reading はなひら and adding words and phrases that I encountered online or in movies that aren't in Core (or I haven't encountered them yet) and amassed 80 words in a matter of 3 hours, I feel like I might have a billion words in there by the time I finish Core. And the words I farm from はなひら aren't going to help me read はなひら if I'm not learning the new words in the deck with them.

The problem is I can't really do 20 new words per day in both of them, I'm too dumb and slow for that

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972287
I know it's in the CoR, but I work a lot better with physical material and that's why shipping is such a problem. Im not the type to be able to sit with my ass glued to a chair so having something I can pick up and take around the house or read anywhere is a massive help.

[Anonymous No.]

Some context: They were remembering a time in elementary school where he put the answers to the summer break homework where she stored her shoes in the 下駄箱.
She asks him why he did that for her and she says this:

>あの時のお前
>周りからどんくさいだの何だの
>どんなこと言われても自分からじゃ何も解決しようとしてなかったから
>これをきっかけに
>少しは自分を変える努力してくれれば
>って思っただけ

What do the 自分s refer to? and the これ in これをきっかけに?

I mean, I think he's saying this:

>Back then, I remember you were called dumb and such by our classmates, but you(自分) would not do anything about that.
>I just thought that may be if I did this (これ = give you the answers to the summer break homework) you would make me the favor of changing yourself (じぶん).

But I'm so unsure with all the くれるs and じぶんs and shit...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972316
Buy a tablet

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972316
In that case you'll have to hunt for used sets or do yourself a favour and get a tablet and read from it like you would a book.
Physical is really only cheap if you live in Japan or chance upon used sellers willing to sell outside of Japan and with good shipping rates, which also heavily depends on where you are located. I know countries like Germany has some seriously steep import taxes on goods, for example.
Nothing is reliably cheap for physical goods, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.]

my SRS is becoming nearly nothing but fucking grammar particles and expressions because its stupid as fuck hard to remember vs normal vocabulary

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972332
>>17972334
Seems like a sound idea. I passed up a good deal on a Kindle tablet on Friday cause I was dumb af. Is a Kindle Fire something that would be good for that sort of thing or should I go for something else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972287
Really? I was told to turn off new cards once I hit 2000 and focus soley on mining. Was I tricked?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972318
also, does the 解決 refer to resolving the summer problem set (課題 in the manga) or does it refer to taking action on the issue of her being bullied?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972318
>どんなこと言われても自分からじゃ何も解決しようとしてなかったから
Is the reason why
>周りからどんくさいだの何だの

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972397

Makes sense, i thought he was explaining the どんなこと that people around her kept on 言われても.

My concerns with the second blob of text still remain, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972416
Sorry for the spacing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972418
Go back anytime

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972318
あのときのお前
みんなから、「お前はどんくさい」とか
どんなにひどいことを言われても、
お前は自分自身で問題を解決しようとしてなかったので。
（自分自身 = お前自身）
（問題 = みんなからいじめられたこと）

これをきっかけに
（これ = 男の子がしたこと）
I do not know this story, have the boy helped this girl before?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972553
>I do not know this story, have the boy helped this girl before?

Yes, he gave her the answer to the 夏休み課題 in elementary school.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972588
あの時のお前 is her self in elementary school.
>>17972515
Never been there a

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972593
あの時のお前 = 周りからどんくさいだのなんだの言われていた時のお前

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972515
This isn't /pol/tv/v/. Almost everyone here is a certified autist. No need for that shit here.

[Anonymous No.]

Is the Ebiten LN uploaded anywhere? Seems like it'd be fun practice.

[Anonymous No.]

teach me japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972691
こんにちは、俺の名前コフィです! よろしくお願いします

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972691
What's in it for me?

[Anonymous No.]

Any recommendations for resources on speaking Japanese?
The only speaking Japanese resource I could find on the CoR has half of its pages missing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972796
your mouth

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972796
http://www.gavo.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/ojad/phrasing/index (accurate most of the time)
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeK-ilb1gk6md2oCbjPh4Rl0lnXXOV22P
and >>17972800

or you could just choose the alternative option and talk to real people

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972817
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972796
The Steve position says output comes naturally with lots of input.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972899
This is true for the structure of your output but not the act of vocalizing it.

>>17972796
The only way to get good at vocalizing output is to vocalize output a lot. But you mustn't vocalize a lot until you're intimately aware of the sound and rhythm of Japanese speech or you'll have an unnatural accent forever.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to (re)make decks with audio. Last I checked, with Rikaisama all it took was a highlight and the F key for a soundbyte. Can Rikaichamp do the same?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972920
I don't think rikaichamp can mine yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972912
>This is true for the structure of your output but not the act of vocalizing it.
Oh, so you're on about pitch accent and stuff then?

If so: >>17971069

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972926
I mined manually, copying and pasting words into Anki. When I wanted to mimic the Core decks by means of audio clips, I found out Rikaisama can save those with the push of a key. Rikaichamp can't do that (yet)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972932
He's some EOP who can't pronounce Japanese, one of the easiest languages in the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972926
>yet
It won't ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972937
>Japanese, one of the easiest languages in the world.
And yet this thread exists and scores of VNs and manga are left untranslated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972937
Enjoy your unintelligible garbage accent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972939
So that's a no on it having audio support? I've been trying to get back in the groove (best way to keep a New Year's Resolution is to start well beforehand) and no auditory pronunciations for new words is gonna suck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972946
Use Yomichan.

Everyone likes to complain about it because it's quite different from Rikaisama (and honestly not as good), but once you get used to it it's a perfectly serviceable replacement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972940
I think he probably meant in terms of pronunciation. And in that case, he's right.

Correct pitch accent is tricky, but pronouncing the individual sounds correctly should pose little difficulty for a native English speaker (the only thing you really have to learn is らりるれろ).

Then again, listening to Namasensei's pronunciation (e.g. where he pronounces all the おう sounds like the o in "cone"), it seems it is possible to somehow fuck it up. I guess he just doesn't give a shit and couldn't care less about having an accent or pronouncing things properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972977
Those tripped me up too when I started out. Kept pronouncing the u in akatsuki until I found out that u sound is supposed to be silent for reasons I can't remember.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972991
You knows someone's a dumb EOP when they don't even know what stressing is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972937
https://vocaroo.com/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972991
>supposed to be silent for reasons I can't remember.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology#Devoicing

[Anonymous No.]

Using regex to mine sentences. Do you do this?

I'm going to start mining after I'm done cramming for the JLPT N3 this Sunday, so I have little experience, but I got that massive archive of LNs in aozora format. Using atom text editor because notepadqq sucks. At first atom could not search the content of sjis, so I used nkf to covert the whole archive to utf8 and searching the entire corpus is no problem.
I'm excited to see if this makes finding i+1 sentences easier than people say it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973101
There is no such thing as an i+1 sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973105
Do you expect me to settle for i+0.1 sentences?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973128
You should have a range of i+0.1 sentences to i+10 sentences, because you'll never be able to hit +1 exactly. In fact, you should expect and aim for that large range, because it's part of how optimal language learning works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973101
>taking a photograph of your monitor
Also, don't talk about "i+1" in the context of sentences. There was a huge shitstorm over it some threads ago which we could do without repeating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973153
By "huge shitstorm" did you mean "riveting argument"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973163
Judge for yourself. I think it started from here:
http://arch.b4k.co/jp/thread/17824728/#17828847

[Anonymous No.]

Is core10k i.e. from here http://rtkwiki.koohii.com/wiki/Core_10k something you can just follow and by the 2000/6000'th card you will have covered all of core2k/6k respectively, or are you supposed to just complete those other decks first? I've been following a wanikani deck for the (presumably) jouyo or thereabouts kanji list but don't really want to follow the vocab portion of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973234
Yes, but the selection of words in the remaining 4K cards is garbage so there's no reason to use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973261
Thanks, I'll go for the 6k and stick with that

[Anonymous No.]

かさ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973320
こっちのほうがいい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973343
お巡りさん、この人です

[Anonymous No.]

I just finished Genki II and now there's a hole in my heart where love for Mary use to be. They just recently released edition two of Genki I & II, is there still hope for a Genki III in the near future?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973320
かさ

[Anonymous No.]

What's the latest version of Firefox that still has rikaichan working on it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973424
Yeah they teased it already, just wait a little longer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klS0VbB9MlA

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973424
Is Genki the Oyasumi Punpun of textbooks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973424
Tobira is the official unofficial Genki III.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973424
>Genki III
"An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese" is often referred to as being Genki III.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>17973425
かさ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973424

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973582
He still stood Mary up on that date for no reason, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973582
Is there NTR in Genki? Might pick it up.

[Anonymous No.]

いちからじゅうにまで

にほんごでかぞえましょう

>本
>えんぴつ
>ねこ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973598
If you want something comprehensive, go for it. It's very unpopular here though as it's a textbook and not Tae Kim. It has romaji until lesson 3.

>>17971913
There's also Minna no Nihongo, which anon took a picture of here. But it's five volumes as opposed to Genki's single one and is entirely Japanese. You use the translation book to progress.

I've read both books and prefer Genki, but MNN has its merits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17972786
the joy of teaching

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973633
>If you want something comprehensive
My sides. Genki I and II together somehow manage to teach less than fucking Sakubi.

[Anonymous No.]

都 miyako
北都 hokuto
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973800
welcome to names

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973800
brainlet.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973800
"to" is the reading of 都 imported from China
"miyako" is the native japanese word with the same meaning of the 都 character

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973577
It doesn't have a story attached to it though, no Mary or Takeshi. What's even the point?

[Anonymous No.]

宮子は「みやこ」
子宮は「しきゅう」

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973800
Never heard of 京都

[Anonymous No.]

So when you guys mine, do you set up a limit for new cards on your mining deck, or just run through every single card you mined? Im just wondering since today is my first day and I accumulated like 50 new words, but im not sure if i should just do 20 a day or all at once

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973898
If you're mining more than you can add each day then you're mining too much. Prioritize words that represent basic concepts or are very common, otherwise you're going to have to manually rearrange cards to get the most out of Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973901
How do I determine this? I just have been adding words I did not know, is there a more efficient system than this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973912
Focus on words you recognize and words with very high frequency rankings (top few thousand words).

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973915
All the words I've been adding have had the 'common word' tag on jisho, so this isn't a good measurement?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973921
Shin da hoe ga ii

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973924
The "common word" stat on jisho can only be trusted for very simple words, and even then, it marks enough words as "common" as to make the tag useless. The "common word" tag corresponds to the edict "P" tag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973927
I've been using yomichan to add words, and I added a bunch of dictionaries, EDICT included (i think)
Will it show the P tag on there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973933
Don't know, don't use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973937
Alright well let's assume it does
What should I do with the cards I already mined? Keep them? Delete them and just move on?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973942
Keep them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973816
小宮は「こみや」

竜宮は

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973604
本を数えるのか本で数えるのか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974014
り、りゅうみや...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973927
not doubting you but can you give an example of an uncommon word with a P?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974093
吉祥天

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974014
ドラゴン・パラス

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973034
>giving your voice sample to 400lb 4chan hackers

I'll pass

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974095
whata fuck
now I'm curious if a plausible explanation exists for how that happened

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974104
Probably occurred a metric fuckton in a particular story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974107
Sorry, meant particular text, not particular story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974096
どらごんぱれす

だとおもうよ

ぱらすはちょっとおかしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973804 Thank you

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just me or does 漢検 place way too much emphasis on 四字熟語?

The pass mark of 2級 is pretty close to where I would put it if I wanted to fuck over people who were otherwise good at japanese and could score 95% on the rest of the test but haven't spent hours memorizing cancerous chinese memes

[Anonymous No.]

Hey, I've only recently started. I had a pretty rough day, and my retention was awful for new cards. Is it ok to press 'again' like 20 times per card to learn them? It's not going to fuck anything up is it?

For some reason the new words today were just not sticking at all, and it took me about 45 minutes to get through 20 new words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974290
if that happens again, take a step back, go take a piss or something if you need to, and stare near a light source for a good 30 seconds
if you calm down, and take it easy, the urge to rush will go away

[Anonymous No.]

>>17973901
>If you're mining more than you can add each day then you're mining too much.
Load of shit. If you are mining, you're going to either have a backlog or you're not reading enough. Stop giving advice.

>otherwise you're going to have to manually rearrange cards to get the most out of Anki.
Also a load of shit. You get the most out of Anki by using it for legitimately uncommon facts, not shit you are going to read a hundred times before seeing it in reviews. Your shitty advice is focused on easy Anki reviews instead of true SRS. Common stuff doesn't need to be mined, because it's fucking common, thus entirely obscuring the spacing of the spaced repetition algorithm in Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974402
https://vocaroo.com/?upload

　幽霊《ゆうれい》とか妖怪《ようかい》とかって、見たこともなかったし、いてもいなくてもどうでも良かったよ、別に。
　そりゃあ、ガキの頃《ころ》は信じていたかもしれないけど、そんなに怖《こわ》いとか思わなかったし、興味もなかった。
　そんなことよりも、俺《おれ》は現実の問題で頭がいっぱいだったんだ。
　両親がいっぺんに死んで三年。やっと親戚《しんせき》の家から出られる時だった。寮《りょう》のある高校に合格したんだ。
　バラ色の、とはいかないけど、それまでよりはちょっとはマシな毎日になると思ってた。あの日まで――。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974405
>両親がいっぺんに死んで三年。
dropped

[Anonymous No.]

Post some cute, easy to read manga that isn't Yotsuba or Ika Musume.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974402
You get the most out of Anki by adding the things you need the most. This means any common words you haven't learned yet are more important than any uncommon words you haven't learned yet. The fact that the uncommon words are harder to learn outside of Anki doesn't matter. You learn by reading, not by memorizing things in Anki. The purpose of Anki for a language learned is to make input more comprehensible. If you're memorizing uncommon garbage when there are still several thousand common words you don't know you're doing something very, very fucking wrong, no matter what philosophy of language learning you subscribe to.

[Anonymous No.]

あんきしてね

>ふくよかな
>デブ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974612
Fragtime, it only got 2 volumes though

what the fuck is up with those captchas lately

[Anonymous No.]

Which of listening resources listed in the guide would you recommend to a beginner who has just finished reading grammar guide?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974612
Zettai Reiiki is a good meme. But really, it depends on what is cute for you. Just look at the covers and pick the one you find the cutest. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974633
Finiah reading am actual book and then read anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974633
Any slice of life anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974633
Rewatch slice of life stuff like Lucky Star and Non Non Biyori. Don't expect to understand much though; your vocabulary at the very least will ensure you don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974755 (cont)
Wouldn't recommend watching anything you haven't seen before though because it will just ruin it for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974633
Gochuumon wa usagi desu ka is relatively easy to follow

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974761
*but consider reading some manga first so you can reinforce grammar and find words at your own pace without pausing every second

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974633
I like music. Some say "SOUNDS GOOD DOESN'T WORK", but I think it's great because the lyrics are usually simple, and each track is short enough that you don't feel overwhelmed. Also, while you won't relisten to a podcast/radio/anime episode until you understand it, if you like a piece of music you'll be listening to it dozens of times. Also the melodic and rhythmic context help memorise the words, I feel.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I sane or just autistic for getting somewhat upset at natives using loanwords when there are already Japanese words that mean the same thing?
Like saying ホームタウン instead of 故郷 or エアコン instead of 冷房.

[Anonymous No.]

I interpret what the girl is saying as
>I forgot what I wanted to say
But the fan translation of the manga gives the line as
>Please forget what I said
Which one is correct?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974780
The reason why people don't recommend music as valid listening practice is because the pitch is messed up and certain syllables are stressed.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a good Android app for helping with daily Japanese revisions? I've been doing some vocab and sentences using Memrise (the recommended courses are really bad but the ones focusing on either vocab or sentences from courses like Core2k/6k and Tae Kim are pretty decent), but I probably won't git gud unless I do some actual reading with context every day. For some reason most of the apps I can find are either very basic, very bad or both. There's an 'easy news' app which is decent, but looking up words/sentences is kind of tiresome, especially since my connection is usually not very good.

Ideally I want something I can do in relatively short sessions like on the bus or on the toilet or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974824
Anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974815
Your interpretation is right, fan translations suck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974815
I think you're right, the translator misinterprets the te form here

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974836
That doesn't offer actual texts, though, does it? Just seperate sentences and words, which I'm already getting with Memrise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974815
>S-sorry about today, okay!?
>(Sorry) that I forgot what I wanted to say...

[Anonymous No.]

I can't even wrap my head around why anyone would use Memrise at all, not even mentioning using it as a replacement for Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974883
addiction and lack of commitment

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974883
Memrise is handier on phones since you don't need to install the Mega app and have space for hundreds of MB worth of Anki decks on your phone, which is a lot for crappier phones.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw even after reading a lot than you used to more your Japanese skills don't improve

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974824
Read manga you bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974909
You don't need to install the mega app either way, and you can buy non-crappy phones for cheap either way.

[Anonymous No.]

So what do I do when I find something like this but the only thing I can find on the internet is 疲れを取る? I can only assume that 疲れが取れない is the 他動詞 of 疲れを取る (?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974993
Nope. Install Rikai or Yomi and hover over it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975038
Wheres OCR hidden in yomi?

[Anonymous No.]

damn, reading manga on a big vertical screen is euphoric my tomodachitachi

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know any good Japanese podcast?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974993
Yeah, 取れる is the intransitive equivalent of 取る.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Watamote a pretty easy read?

As the cast has grown over the more recent chapters, I've found myself forgetting who a lot of the more minor characters are and how they were introduced into the story, so I kind of wanna go back and re-read everything. Figured I may as well do it raw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975097
There's some podcast related stuff in the resources guide. Check the live Google Docs version since the neocities page doesn't get updated very often anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975128
It has furigana so the answer is "yes, it's pretty easy".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974091
たつみや！

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974801
ホエールウォッチング

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975166
ホエールウォッチング (違法捕鯨)

[Anonymous No.]

>watch 4/8 hours of Shogun (mini-series, 1980) on youtube yesterday
>today CBS bawleted the videos that have been up for over a year

what the fuck reeeeeeeeeeeeee how can someone be this unlucky

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975242
>Shogun
Most of it is in English, so this isn't really on topic.

Anyway, there are torrents out there. Don't get why the fuck you would want to watch it in garbage stream quality in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

CBR files for a scanned comics - can I somehow copy the text from the pages, so I don't have to manually write it down?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975249
A large portion of it is in Japanese though, and thematically it's very related to DJT. To me it feels immersive to watch without subs, as opposed to actual Japanese movies, which I wouldn't want to watch without subs.

I just happened to come upon it yesterday while watching videos and I mean it's a TV-movie from 1980, it doesn't look that amazing no matter what you watch it with and I've lately been avoiding torrents because all VPN I've researched seem quite scummy so I don't have one right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975265
>it's a TV-movie from 1980, it doesn't look that amazing no matter what you watch it with
It was shot on 35mm film and has been released on bluray, so the fact that it was made as a TV series has no bearing on its quality. The bluray release looks as good as bluray releases of movies from the same time do.

[Anonymous No.]

We should make an image with random japanese-only shit and depending on your post number you have to watch/read/play something from the list. Shit would be so cash!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17965072
I want to learn how to play the recorder. I bought one last year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974612
まんが家と

[Anonymous No.]

How do I know if something on shinmoe has furigana or not? Should I just google?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975706
Nevermind, now I see it. Too bad, I wanted to read こどものじかん

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975608
Do your best, Anon-san! I have spent some time randomly learning it for fun, and it was a nice experience. I've heard that maybe the alto recorders have a similar layout as saxophones, so you might also wanna check that out later if you're interested. Flutes also seem cool... (Also, I really, really like trills.)

On an unrelated (but perhaps more related to the thread than the rest of my post) note, what's the best firefox fork to use if I wanna keep one around as a kind of metaphorical Rikaisama-bitch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975718
I got an alto, which is annoying because most of songs and instructional videos are for soprano. Every couple months I pick it up and relearn the notes and play a few songs. Low F is a bitch though, it is hard and I can't get it consistently.

You can download the Firefox ESR, it is version 52 and will be supported for awhile still.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975608
>>17975718
>>17975737
Wrong thread, wrong board.

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I get a Japanese penpal to teach English while they teach me Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best guide to learn kanji via mnemonics?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm at around 5200 words and my retention went from ~80% - 85% to a solid 90% in a mere 2-3 days of reading +1 hour daily. I suppose this is what learning Japanese feels like, huh. I like it.

[Anonymous No.]

So is the first native material you dive into supposed to feel pretty hard despite people saying its easy? I've been trying to read よつばと and はなひら but both feel a lot more difficult than people say they are. I'm only at about 2100 words in core

[Anonymous No.]

jeez how do you link up hundreds of jiberish vocab names to characters. Brute force? There's no way I can make a story for every vocab I come across.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975841
this is normal. tough it out

[Anonymous No.]

>>17960412
Is there a system similar to the Kana typing in DJT site? I am using Anki and Kanji Koohii, but I would like to type the words to progress to the next one. I would also like a way so that the Kanji I am learning randomly come up similar to how the Kana do in the DJT site.

Thank you ahead of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975841
>despite people saying its easy?
do not mistake simple for easy

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975846
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975841
Grammar is usually the bottleneck for the first material. How much have you studied that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975988
Very little, I had been putting it off for a while with the excuse that I was just doing anki at the time, but I see that isn't going to hold up any longer

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975841
Yotsubato is a fucking chore to read because of all the kiddie hiragana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975841
They are easy, but only compared to everything else. They are still written for Japanese people, so they will be hard for a language learner.

[Anonymous No.]

>預金者が大手銀行を相手取って訴訟を起こすケースも出ており、金融庁は被害者の救済を優先させて、金融機関に犯罪防止対策の強化を促すべきだと判断。
At this point I am wondering if it really is worth mining the entire vocab list every time before reading the lesson. Tae Kim seems to be going off the rails with the examples now, oh well, guess I'll just pull through now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976210
I don't recall this sentence anywhere in Tae Kim, but I have a paper copy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976220
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/should
It's here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975841
Yes. When people say Yotsuba and such are easy, they are speaking in relative terms.

It is easy compared to most other things, but for a pure beginner it's still going to pose a challenge given that its intended audience is native speakers.

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>>17976232
it's words you should know anyway sooner or later

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>>17976210
Tae Kim got lazy at the end of his guide and just started stealing example sentences from random places instead of writing his own.

Anyway, you shouldn't be mining Tae Kim in the first place. Either use Core or mine from native material.

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>>17976259
>you shouldn't be mining Tae Kim in the first place
Why not? Would being able to read the example sentences not help my understanding of the concepts he attempts to convey?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976264
Just use Yomichan on them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976270
I don't feel that works very well. It's more intuitive being able to just read it rather than having to hover every word.

[Anonymous No.]

>溺れる
>to drown, to nearly drown

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976306
Is your understanding impeded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976326
友達が溺れた

[Anonymous No.]

Being retarded sucks. I'm only doing 20 new cards per day and I still end up spending 75 - 90 minutes in anki every day, and the amount of daily reviews hasn't stabilized yet so it's only going to keep taking longer. If I force myself to go any faster my true retention drops below 60% and it ends up taking the same amount of time if not longer anyway. A part of the reason it takes me so long is because I have the new card steps set to 1 1 10 30, the lapse steps set to 5 10, and that I reread the sentence I got the word from every time I have to hit again, but if I change any of that my already shitty retention gets even worse, and I get so many more reviews each day that it ends up taking the same amount of time or more anyway. I'm NEET right now so it's not that big of a problem, but I'm being admitted into wageslavery soon, and once I'm in that hell, due to anki and being a retard with what is probably OCD, I don't know if I'll have time to do even an hour of reading on work days, which is only 50 lines for me at my current level. I was hoping I would be able to get through all of this in 3.5 - 4.5 years, but now that seems like an impossibility.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976332
残念だね。

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976344
Sorry, the 友達 in that example only nearly drowned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976306
>>17976332
>>17976346
友達が溺れた　ー　ご愁傷様
友達が溺れていた　ー　命が助かって何よりです

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>>17976346
Anon . . .

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976342
I work 9-5 and do four hours of Japanese a night. You can make time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976342
>I have the new card steps set to 1 1 10 30, the lapse steps set to 5 10
Seriously why do people do this?

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone explain the correct usage of と in __, __ and __ type responses?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976342
How long have you been learning?
How many reviews do you do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976374
After every word. This is covered in Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976378
Could you give me an example?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976386
君のお母さんと妹とセックスした

[Anonymous No.]

溺れってしまって死んだ

[Anonymous No.]

I'm starting to fail mature cards because I am seeing the radicals more clearly now instead of recognizing them as vague shapes like I used to.

Unsure if this is a good thing or a bad thing though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976342
>A part of the reason it takes me so long is because I have the new card steps set to 1 1 10 30, the lapse steps set to 5 10
This is a waste of time. Just use the default settings and do a custom study to review your forgotten cards at the end of each day.

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>>17976442
Be attentive and try to notice when two words use the same kanji, and pay attention to how it's pronounced (e.g. try to notice stuff like 理解, 了解, and 解放 all using 解 read as かい). Once you start learning readings of the kanji, getting cards correct during your reps becomes much easier.

Also, keep an eye out for phonetic radicals (officially recognised or otherwise) like 章 (しょう), 古 (こ), right side of 福 (ふく), 工 (こう), 長 (ちょう), 生 (せい), 正 (しょう), 父 (こう), and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976359
The OCD thing I mentioned is the big problem here. I spend over 3 hours every day showering, washing my hands, cleaning, preparing food, and eating, and there's nothing I can do to decrease that. It's going to be worse when I'm working because I'll feel much dirtier and have to take a very long shower when I get home and can't wear any clothes that touched anything outside of my room and on days that I do laundry (already once each week as it is) I basically spend 2.5 or more hours solely on that because of hand washing in between putting things in the washer or dryer.

>>17976360
My retention is much worse if I leave the steps at default, I end up doing more reviews, and end up spending more time in anki. Not everyone is blessed with a good memory. 2 years ago I did RTK up to 1400 before giving up on learning Japanese and I actually still remember a lot of the meanings from it and it's still not enough for me to have decent retention.

>>17976375
Two months, started reading and mining a week ago. I did core2k up to 700k, reviews on it only take me 10 minutes. At any time I'll have at least 150 reviews lined up for the next day with core2k and the mining deck combined. I usually end up with 350-550 studied cards in a day.

>>17976453
I'll try that but I get the feeling that it's going to make things worse.

I put frozen food in the oven before posting >>17976342 because if I waited any longer I would be waking people up. I won't be able to reply to anything for 35 or so minutes now because I'll be eating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976607
>reviews on [core] it only take me 10 minutes
>started reading and mining a week ago
>end up spending 75 - 90 minutes in anki every day [on 150 reviews]
Hmm . . .

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976607
How many definitions are you putting on the backs of your mining cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>Furigana Inserter firefox add-on can't be found

Anybody know where I can still get it, or download the alternative ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976700
Why would you ever use such a thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976716

training wheels.

still want the ability to quick-search using furigana than search by radical

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976744
Why don't you just use Yomichan?
It's very likely entirely pointless to be reading things that are so much above your level you need to look up every word and things that are at your level should not be something you need Furigana for except for the occasional odd word. Therefore a tool like Yomichan should suffice. It's only a temporary solution anyway as you should really be learning those words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976607
>700k
700
>oven before posting
oven after posting

>>17976691
I let Yomichan put the definitions in for me. I know that isn't good but I'm pretty autistic so if I have to choose the most fitting definitions and put them in myself I know I'll spend a ridiculous amount of time on it, to the point that it would probably be cutting my reading time in half or worse. As long as I remember a definition that matches the way the word is used in the sentence I got it from, I count myself right. It's not like I'm trying to remember all of the definitions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976807
Dude you just said you accumulated 60+ minutes of review time in a week of mining.

I won't begin questioning how that is even possible, you should be able to tell you're doing something wrong though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974823
What about in JRap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976887
If I wanted to practice my english I'd just listen to english songs, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976360
Because it artificially inflates anki's built in stats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976648
I was going to ignore you, but I'm curious. How do you justify your past participation in group stalking me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977011
No one gives a shit about that. The default steps are a joke. I have a step after one hour and I can't count the number of times I've failed it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977047
That's because memory consolidation happens approximately the first day after last exposure. It has nothing to do with how long your steps are. You won't remember the fact better until tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977055
Except I definitely am remembering better before tomorrow. Before I did this, I would frequently fail cards several days in a row before finally getting them, and now those difficult cards only take me a day or two max.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977116
That's because you flunk the cards you're gonna flunk before they become reviews. It has nothing to do with making the cards easier to remember. All it does is manipulate your stats by making slightly difficult cards lapse before they're consolidated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976394
The second と isn't the same as the first though, right?
妹とセックスした is fine by itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977130
I'm not talking about stats. I've never even checked them. I know when that fucking card shows up again, and it demonstrably takes less time for me to deal with that fucking card than it used to for whatever reason.

It's seriously baffling that you're claiming a demonstrable benefit isn't happening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977142
It's not demonstrable unless you measure it scientifically, which you didn't. Right now you're no better than people who promote "raw water" because they feel better after drinking it.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it too ambitious to try and do the twelve lessons of Genki I in six weeks of self-study? I'm trying to come up with a two lesson a week plan that involves all of the exercises. I'd just like to try and not be stuck on the first book for too long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977156
You're right.

I do feel better though.

[Anonymous No.]

I finished KKLC today and it feels goood

[Anonymous No.]

>>17962045
not that guy, but you do need to improve your english

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977172
Congratulations!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977172
でかした

[Anonymous No.]

how many words do you want for 'frank', are natives really this reserved?
単刀直入
端的に言う
率直
愚直
腹を割る

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977319
ぶっちゃけ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17975546
First off, never say that again. Second, odds are most of those would have already been read by the anons here

[Anonymous No.]

I did Anki for three months and then dropped if for four

Should I restart or just pick it up as is

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977365
The only things I'd expect most people here to have read is Yotsubato and maybe, if we're feeling generous, Flyable Heart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977239
>>17977183
ありがとう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977319
Actually yes, they are.

[Anonymous No.]

今日意外に嬉しくて泣きそう

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>17975716
どうして

こじか？

鬱な話だよ

>>17977319
ここだけのはなし

ってよくつかうというか

かんようくだよ

>理科のせんせいなんだけど、ここだけの話、うわきしてるって

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977365
I think it could be nice for beginners who often get stuck in a box of SoL comedy manga and the few beginner VNs that are mentioned in every thread. Of course, there's no guarantee that those people will pussy out before even trying to read what they've rolled, but maybe it would help some people diversify.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977703
>かんようくだよ
内証の話のことですね

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977720
ないしょって

なんかこどもっぽすぎる

ないしょ

[Anonymous No.]

うわッ頭悪っ！

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know how I can put a button on my anki cards to hide/show some information?

I want to show/hide the Japanese sentence as hint on the front and show/hide some extra information on the back in case that I need it.

[Anonymous No.]

Read a few months ago that there are some websites that publish the JLPT and the answers on the day of the exam.
Does anyone know one of these websites? My google-fu came up with nothing.
Asking for a friend, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

How come the 6k anki deck only has 1600 kanji? That's not enough right

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977991
It's not meant to teach you all the kanji, just 6000 common words.

1600 isn't enough in the long run, but it's more than adequate for an intermediate reader.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977991
That's what mining is for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974612
You could try Amari Mawari. It's pretty damn cute..

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977744
大おにぎりを食べたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17977042
Is this supposed to be some kind of joke or are you just babbling? Either way, I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974612
三ツ星カラーズ

>>17974622
>You get the most out of Anki by adding the things you need the most.
You get the most out of Anki thanks to its SRS. Common shit you see hundreds of times between reviews from general reading render the SRS entirely biased by outside influence and ends up pushing cards further and further into the future without having the assumed time apart seeing them between reviews. That is: a waste of fucking time.

Either allow the SRS to work or don't use Anki at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17976359
How the fuck do you still have the energy after working so long?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17974633
Ignore the two idiots quoted below:

>>17974693
No. The slice of life = easy meme is vomited out by retards who couldn't even handle よつばと!.

>>17974760
>ruin it
No.

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>>17978041
Lol I thought it was a black burger at first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978087
probably an office job where you unironically surf on the internet half the day
not that I'm complaining, I'm hoping for the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978078
>Common shit you see hundreds of times between reviews from general reading
Those are things that you mined a very long time ago. Something you mined recently is not something you have been seeing often enough to learn by exposure.
>render the SRS entirely biased by outside influence
The version of the supermemo algorithm used by Anki is LITERALLY DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY AS TO MAKE OUTSIDE EXPOSURE PART OF HOW IT WORKS.
>and ends up pushing cards further and further into the future without having the assumed time apart seeing them between reviews
Spaced repetition does not teach you anything. Spaced repetition keeps you from forgetting things you have already begun to learn. The conception that "seeing things too early keeps you from learning them" is a blatant idiotic misunderstanding of the way that the scientific explanation for the spacing effect is worded.

It's most efficient to review things exactly when you're about to forget them.

This does not mean that it's most efficient for that particular fact. If you want to remember a particular fact, you want to review it constantly, every single day. Spacing is so that you can learn large numbers of facts in the same system.

There is literally nothing remotely wrong with seeing things more often than Anki shows them to you. BY THE WAY THE VERSION OF THE SUPERMEMO SPACING ALGORITHM THAT ANKI USES IS SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN FOR THE FACT THAT IT IS RESISTANT AGAINST OUTSIDE FACTORS NEGATIVELY AFFECTING THE LONG TERM RESULTS OF MEMORIZATION.

When you see common things more and more often that means you're learning them faster. If you know something little enough that you need to mine it, then RIGHT NOW, you want Anki's help in not forgetting it. There is literally no purpose in mining uncommon words you don't know instead of common words you don't know. If you don't know a common word then you haven't been seeing it enough to acquire it yet, and the idea that it being common somehow "damages" its spacing in Anki is completely fucking illogical asinine bullshit, which can only possibly have its origin in a complete and utter cult-like misunderstanding of what the fuck Anki is even for, which, by the way, is exactly the same misunderstanding of it that happens to be common in language learning communities.

And if you really do mine a bunch of words you already know, that's not going to hurt anything at all, because you learn words by reading. Anki should be used for exactly the most important things that you need to learn right away. There is no purpose in memorizing jargon you're never going to see on a regular basis if you still don't know common words, because YOU DON'T NEED IT. THERE IS NEVER A REASON TO SPEND TIME LEARNING THINGS YOU DON'T NEED WHEN THERE ARE THINGS YOU NEED THAT YOU DON'T KNOW.

>Either allow the SRS to work or don't use Anki at all.
As long as you continue to use Anki, the SRS is going to work whatever you do. The only way you can possibly break Anki's SRS is by lying to it about whether you know what it's showing you. Adding things you see on a regular basis that you haven't learned yet doesn't "break" the SRS at all. All you're doing is using Anki to help you remember the things that you need the most. If you don't know words like "strain", "depend", "accident", or "community", you sure as hell have ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to be teaching yourself words like "communism", "financial advisor", "vasectomy", or "tenement" yet. Learn what you need.

If anything, teaching yourself things that you don't need and don't see is what breaks Anki's SRS. It EXPECTS you to have studying and usage outside of Anki, because that's what it's for, making sure you don't forget information that you're going to need soon. It's not a ritual from which you mustn't deviate. The SM2+ algorithm was intentionally modified in such a way that, as long as your answers are honest, you cannot possibly fuck up the spacing algorithm in the long term.

Memorizing things that you don't use is exactly what causes things like large amounts of leeches and misconceptions about what words actually mean. It's not uncommon for people using garbage shared decks to assume that 風 just means "wind" and is always pronounced "かぜ" despite the fact that the "style" meaning and "ふう" reading are vastly more common. This is exactly what happens when you create flashcards for things that you don't use yet. If you're mining things you're not familiar with, you're trusting yourself to make a safe card, on the spot, about something you don't understand yet and are unlikely to see often enough to correct soon. It's entirely common when making flashcards for information you rarely use to gain a deep misconception based on a minor ambiguity you never noticed, especially with translingual definitions, where this whole time you were telling Anki that you knew the fact even though you didn't. That's breaking the SRS. Seeing something a few times between reviews is not, that's just studying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978140
Damn anon the caps make you look like a fucking retard.
(not the guy you are talking to btw)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978155
Some things are so stupid and ignorant that all caps is the only ways you can possibly respond to them.

[Anonymous No.]

If you don't have any other formatting options available then caps is perfectly fine for emphasizing something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978162
this

[Anonymous No.]

JLPT is tomorrow, lads.
What should I read today to prepare?
I'm thinking news articles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978170
Whatever you do, don't cram.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978170
I don't know. Certainly not without knowing whether you are dong N5 or N1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978172
What's wrong with cramming?
I've been going through Kanzen Master the last few months slowly anyway.

>>17978174
N2

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978177
>What's wrong with cramming?
https://www.google.com/search?q=cramming+negatively+affects+test+scores&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978041
おにぎりなんこたべる？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978174
what's the point of doing anything below N2, except having an official proof that you can't speak japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978183
I think you mean N1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978185
N2 is the point where you're going to have perfectly fine comprehension of normal speech. It's N3 and lower that test so low that you wouldn't even be able to function in Japanese society without using another language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978186
I think anything but fluency is more or less useless in a professional environment. N1 is at least proof you are capable of understanding proper Japanese, it still makes no statement about your production ability which makes it kind of worthless compared to a real language test.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978185
some official requirements like scholarships or work related stuff etc. only ask for N2 for example

>>17978186
>N2 is the point where you're going to have perfectly fine comprehension of normal speech.
I think that's quite an exaggeration 2bh, in theory maybe, but following an everyday conversation between various people, hardly

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978185
>>17978190
N2 is just resume fodder, that's mostly why I'm taking it.
If I was good enough to take the N1 and hope to pass then I'd be taking it right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978192
>>17978196
Suppose it's fine if you have a specific thing you need N2 for. My university's Japanese exchanges need N1 for example. I doubt you can understand lectures with a mere N2 anyway.
Otherwise I really see no reason to not just wait until you are good enough for N1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978185
Ｎ１ってどのくらい？

やきそばくらいおいしい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978192
>>N2 is the point where you're going to have perfectly fine comprehension of normal speech.
>I think that's quite an exaggeration 2bh
I mean, if you study for the test in particular, you could probably pass it without being able to follow normal speech. But that's the level that the material in it is calibrated to, understanding what people are saying when they speak normally. N1 is calibrated for comprehension on a much finer level than just understanding what people are "telling" you.

That's how all tests are. Someone who's naturally at whatever level the test is for is gonna score the same as at least someone out there who knows less but studied for the test in particular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978186
I don't think you fully understand what normal speech can sound like.

[Anonymous No.]

>ちょっと聞きたいことがあるけど
>けど
Why do nips like to use けど even if they are literally not bothering the listener in any way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978277
迷惑じゃないだと？とてもじゃないが、そんなの信じられない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978014
Can't find raws of this anywhere. Where did you get it?

[Anonymous No.]

whats the best guide for learning kanji via mnemonics?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978457
You don't "learn kanji".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978424
I got it from jcafe, but I just checked and the links looks dead. Welp, sorry. Maybe they're still floating around somewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978462
I mean, which is the best guide for associating the character with its meaning via mnemonics

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978468
They don't have meanings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978424
キャラのせんが

なんかむかしのまんがににてる

なんのまんがかはわからないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978468
Remember the Kanji by Heisig. Also study the radicals.
The other guy is trolling at this point. What is usually meant, don't learn them in isolation, that's insanity. Learn them via actual words, which are mostly compounds or feature okurigana

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978489
Remembering the Kanji is one of the worst kanji study resources that exist. Stop recommending it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978528
I don't think you tried it more than only testwise. It's not about "learning the kanji", it's about remembering their shapes. It doesn't replace learning vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978563
It doesn't matter what it says it's for. It's objectively inferior to other resources no matter what you use it for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978090
>No.
Yes.

Watching an anime you've never seen before raw when you have a really small vocabulary is like watching an English TV show and setting the audio language to French or something. Yeah, you might catch a few words that you recognise, but by and large you're going to have no idea what's going on and it's just going to ruin the show for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17962067
Going for N3!
Maybe I could pass N2 but I'm a slow reader and it's my first JLPT, so I'm playing it safe.
皆さんがんばってね～

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978528
Wow, finally someone I agree with.
I've tried RTK because it was so popular but I found it extremely bad for various reasons. The main one being it seems made for US people with US culture that lets them understand the used mnemonics. For me, it was just more confusing than anything.

I ended up getting my hands on a kanji list by usage frequency and hand-making my Anki cards while looking up each kanji individually in frequency order, making up my own mnemonics on-the-go if needed. This felt much more effiicient than RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978615
>making up my own mnemonics on-the-go if needed. This felt much more effiicient than RTK.
RTK includes (and indeed, teaches) the principle of making up your own mnemonics. In fact, it's the entire latter part of the book, where he doesn't provide them anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978623
>the entire latter part of the book, where he doesn't provide them anymore.
He may as well not provide them in the first part of the book either because they're complete garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978648
I'm not an american either and thought that most of them were pretty helpful
but I agree that I would have saved a lot of time if I had gone through the kanji by frequency and just made up my own shit from the beginning

only problem with this is that it's easy to say in hindsight, but when you are at this beginning stage you'd be too insecure to do anything without proper guidance

[Anonymous No.]

>>17968728
>I already know this shit has made me completely unable to evaluate beginner guides
There was a guy that posted here a while back that started with Sakubi who said reading was more about reviewing grammar points instead of looking up words because of the "READ MOAR" shit Sakubi spews at the first half of the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978686
Well, yeah. Until you stop being an absolute beginner, that's pretty much what reading is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978686
links or it didn't happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978615
Personally I find recommendations that aren't based on Joyo extremely dubious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978528
how's the kodansha kanji learners course?
should i

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978752
It's not worse than RTK now matter how you use it, and for reasonable ways of using it it's better, so go for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978752
Listen, bastard.
You are the one destroying DJT.
I hope nobody replies to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978755
>You are the one destroying DJT.
not him, but how?
I myself "learned" Kanji through exposure and a mix of writing them 50 fucking times.

[Anonymous No.]

If I were to get Genki, how quickly should I take each lesson?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978817
Don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978815
Because he is steering the thread into another rerun of the isolated Kanji learning vs no isolated Kanji learning and KKLC vs RTK episode. It's an argument talked to death just about a million times already and it's honestly sickening me at this point is all. All the information anyone needs is on the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

I get tired from seeing the same shit over and over too, but seeing as how this is a learning thread with new people coming and going all the time, it can't really be helped.
Changing the topic to something else or just ignoring the thread for a few hours might be appropriate.

[Anonymous No.]

最近はますます勉強のやる気がなくなってどうすればいいかなと

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978969
そりゃムズいやんな
興味とか関係があること読むはずかな？
僕はやる気が消えそう時に関西弁で書いてある漫画とか読むなんや
ともかく練習せなアカンで！

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone help me find a free Yotsubato anki reading pack? I can't afford to buy from the original source.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978752
Awful mnemonics, just like in RTK. And unlike RTK, there's no fan site where users post their own mnemonics to make up for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979018
Open your eyes. It's free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979018
It's available for free at the original source. Use your eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

Does masturbating before going to sleep affect my jlpt tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979051
賢者タイム

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978843
nobody should be here for more than a couple months, including you. if you haven't graduated to the /int/ daily Japanese thread already, then you should just give up.

[Anonymous No.]

おまえが死ねまでそばにいよう
What is this いよう? Everything relevant I can find is just よう

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979096
volitional いる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979071
じゃあ、やってくる

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979108
Oh, thanks. Kinda weird that Jisho shows everything but that

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979038
>>17979043
Thanks!! I tend to skim through reading a lot. It almost costed me on giving up on it.

[Anonymous No.]

今晩はみんな
誰でも「通算」と「全額」は違うんですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>17978463
Might be a long shot but ask in the thread to reupload them.
I've asked for a reupload on dead links before and someone always posts it. Might take a couple of days or something.

[Anonymous No.]

Were do I learn to read moon runes? I just need to get pointed out, that's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979491
>Were

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979491
It's right there in the OP. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979499
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
There you have.
>>17979500
I'm such an idiot. Sorry for not checking the OP.
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

まいにちあさの10じからひるの6じまで はたらきます

It's supposed to say "I work everyday from 10am to 6pm, did I fuck up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979587
Yes, use 午前 and 午後.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979602
I'm still only using hiragana as I haven't started learning kanji, I just want to know if the meaning is conveyed correctly

[Anonymous No.]

seems reading stuff out loud is pretty good for retention
https://uwaterloo.ca/news/news/study-finds-reading-information-aloud-yourself-improves

in terms of effectiveness, its even better than writing apparently. Second best is hearing a recording of yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979611
ごぜん and ごご

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone help me understand いくらぐらいかかるか?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979937
Around how much it will cost

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979944
Ah, I see it now. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979836
not necessary to read it verbally, in fact it will reinforce bad pronunciation habits

what I do is read out every line I read in my head from stop to finish. if I hadn't to long something up or fuck something up I redo the line after reaching the end. over and over until I get it right

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979994
had to look something up*

[Anonymous No.]

What percentage of words should one mine while reading? 10 or more words per page seems a bit excessive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980075
Forget about percentages. Skip the most common words but mine anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980075
When I first started mining, I tried to get only words under around ~10k frequency. I only made it through 3k cards in core, so I figured that was a good cut off point so I can prioritize words I'd see more often.
Obviously words like 友達 I skipped over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980085
Hey bastard, I thought you got told off once already. Just leave already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980085
Don't mine garbage you're not going to need for another month until you're fluent, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980085
You're a beginner. Stop giving advice.

[Anonymous No.]

Forget about percentages. Skip the most common words but mine anything else that isn't too uncommon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980149
That works but really the other guy said it in a more meaningful way i.e. with numbers and examples.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17979994
>not necessary to read it verbally, in fact it will reinforce bad pronunciation habits
i don't care because nobody is ever going to hear me speak, its why im on /jp/ and not /int/
I don't live in japan, never will, and nobody here speaks japanese so there is no point other than retention

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980158
I stand corrected then.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any evidence whatsoever that reading something aloud reinforces bad pronunciation habits?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980174
I don't know but reading aloud will make your reading speed slow as shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980174
any spoken production of things you don't fully understand will reinforce bad prosody at the very least

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980174
Yeah because you will pronounce shit wrong unless you know the pitch acccent of all words in existence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980178
I don't advocate for that, just during anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980178
>>17980186
>>17980188
Alright so in short, there really isn't.

Thanks for the input. Got to know what I can dismiss as DJT babble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980195
nice meme
leave and never come back

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980195
Now that's the spirit, anon! Here's a guide to help your pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.]

im glad you're all considering correct pitch and whatever in your country that has near zero native speakers
what a tremendous waste of time

[Anonymous No.]

I'm glad no one has given your sorry ass a (You) thus far, let's keep the streak going lads

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980209
You say that like I'm learning Japanese for practical reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980209
whether it matters is a real question
but not whether it's true

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980221
>>17980225
You ruined it fags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980221
your time not mine. I kinda regret linking the article now, if nobody is going to get anything out of it, I won't in the future
feels like Argument Clinic in here

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

にちようびだよ

どこかとおくへつれていって

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980204
>jiggy jiggy fooney high kin serampan
lol'd
what the fuck is that

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980240
>feels like Argument Clinic in here
I get that feeling a lot too.

Every now and then I get fed up with it and end up leaving for the /int/ threads in search of greener pastures, but they're dead slow and full of boring blogshittery so I always end up coming back to the argument general here since at least it moves at a steady pace and has the odd interesting discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980315
It's all fine until someone makes a question. This is where you roll the dice; Either it gets answered and they continue on talking about whatever they were discussing or a bunch of smartass-esque replies start this chainreaction.
Input questions also have a higher chance of suffering the latter fate.
That and mentioning Sakubi, RTK/Kodansha, or spamming too much Anki can cause a chain reaction.

[Anonymous No.]

anyone know of a good particle deck for anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980404
There's no point having a deck for them considering they show up non-stop when you're reading and there aren't really all that many of them to learn in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980188
what if i look up pitch accents in daijirin and shinmeikai?

[Anonymous No.]

What does a conjugated とういう and the like mean?
I came across こういっている and i have no idea what it means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980477
"Is\am\are saying"?

[Anonymous No.]

漢字と単独読み方は、可能ある？どれ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980507
i thought touiu was "named" or "called"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980477
Read Tae Kim retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980477
it's という

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to pass the JLPT so hard tomorrow lads

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980709
Is it you again N2-kun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980714
You can call me that AFTER I pass the N2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980726
Well you sure are excited about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980709
How are you so certain? What if you don't? What will you do then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980709
Listening to this will help you pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980726
なにこのふく

ださい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980746
無礼者

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980757
なにこのふく

肩のラインがしょうわ

ださい

[Anonymous No.]

>>17980739
>私　できない　できない　できない子
>できないあの子はもういません
>私　寂しい　寂しい　寂しい子
>もしも時間を戻せたら　嗚呼
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.]

ださいかくごなら

あったかいふくをきる

[Anonymous No.]

How many VN do you think it's possible to finish in a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981004

[Anonymous No.]

IN 2 HOURS LADS. GOOD LUCK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981004
Around 3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981004
A lot if you speak nippongo

[Anonymous No.]

in osaka right now about to take the N3.
準備出来ていない

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981032
>>17981067
Good luck anons

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981067
Post proof

[Anonymous No.]

sleepyplaza.com/archives/596

ださいふくけんきゅうしつ

おまえ羽付き餃子かで

やられました

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981079
dont judge my video choiceage

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981004
I've finished around 10 recently but it used to take me much longer

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981121
You're not gonna take N3 without knowing shit like みたい, are you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981139
i know this shit lol, i'm reviewing with my danish friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981145
I wish I had friends to go take the JLPT with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981154
it's pretty easy to make friends in japan if you're white and not autistic

[Anonymous No.]

Sweet dreams, DJT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981162
What do I do if I'm not white but normal(?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981168
harder but not impossible
just be interesting and bee urself

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981162
>not autistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981168
Apparently you can make everyone think you're a pretty cool guy in China if you're good at holding your alcohol. I don't know if it's the same in Japan though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981177
sorry, im here to learn japanese for real life application not anime/Vidya

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981171
>>17981180
Alright thanks for the advice, I had a chat with a local japanese guy before and it went pretty well so I think I'm good. I barely drink though so I don't know about the alcohol thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981181
Go on the /int/ djt thread instead. Saying stuff like that will get you banned here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981181
Why not go to /int/ or /trv/, then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981181
>/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

I'm learning japanese for both real life and otaku stuff, can I stay here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981198
you guys are a lot smarter and less annoying

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981212
Nothing wrong with that, everyone has their own goals. I believe there are more appropriate places to discuss topics such as /traveling/working/studying in Japan, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981212
>learning japanese for anything other than weeb shit
Fucking normies

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981245
>Fucking normies
Fucking normalfags

[Anonymous No.]

>jlpt in osaka
>literally only 1% white

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981267
I thought tons of westerners lived in Osaka?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17981271
apparently nowhere near as many chinese