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Current Version: Elona+ 1.71 (9/10/2017)
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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 17:49:39 2017 No.17673572 >>17673559 Even Shena wouldn't miss Loyter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:03:20 2017 No.17673628 File: 87 KB, 1920x1080, Tomoko.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >be wearing maintain attribute armor >finally die >charisma (which I've been trying in vain to train up) falls, like always W-why...? This is what for naming my race "NEET".

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:20:37 2017 No.17673689 File: 580 KB, 1297x404, iveabigfatcock.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So, let's say I want maximum Damages, the best thing to do would be to transform these all itno claymores right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:24:37 2017 No.17673712 >>17673689 No, because lightsabres ignore armor (100% pierce) and claymores have much less pierce. Your damage die may not be as high, but more of it will get through enemy defenses.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:28:04 2017 No.17673724 >>17673712 But a lightsaber has 2d5+1 and a claymore has like, 3d21+35

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:30:09 2017 No.17673738 >>17673712 100% pierce =/= ignoring armor. PV still has a notable impact.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:30:24 2017 No.17673741 >>17673724 Claymores will be more effective against weak/unarmored enemies, yes. Most of your damage should be coming from non-weapondamage sources, namely stat/skills.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:33:22 2017 No.17673757 >>17673689 Looking at all this, I wonder if Ano will buff Artifacts. Seems crafted Godly-tier stuff just utterly eclipses one-of-a-kind artifact equipment, which seems really odd.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:37:54 2017 No.17673774

>>17673757
Well, it takes a fuckton of grinding to create a completely perfect artifact fused item. From my perspective static artifacts are neat items for new players/non-min maxers, but the option to create something absolutely perfect on your own to me is a lot cooler than finding some item and it automatically being the best. Seeing as static artifacts aren't rare in the slightest it would actually be kind of lame and everyone would have maxed gear without trying.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:44:04 2017 No.17673806

>>17673774
While I see your point there, it still seems odd you can create an infinite number of things better then a unique. Not saying Ano would have to buff their innate stats, but maybe some way to strengthen the Artifact to make it keep up with crafted Godly items.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 18:58:27 2017 No.17673868

Did some testing in wizard mode and unarmed refuses to do more than 1 time hit per turn regardless of skill level or number of empy arms. Duel wield does 1 per wep equipped. So its between it and two handed as for which is worth going for, depending on how many slots you need to use on duel wield to equip accuracy compensating items I guess. Not really sure how to test that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:04:38 2017 No.17673898 Alright, Moyer the crooked isn't storing craft repair kits anymore, did I fuck up and get his shop rank too high?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:05:06 2017 No.17673901 >>17673806 If you wouldn't be able to get artifacts better than static ones, then every single high level character would had same equip. And that's terrribly boring... At least while we have so few unique artifacts.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:07:35 2017 No.17673906

Continuing my thoughts from earlier, you can sleep with <Urcaguary>. She has to be at soul mate though for some reason. Remember to be sleepy and be over a bed.

Why I wanted to teach fire a volley to a snail is that I stumbled on something important. If you're at full health salt will take you into the single digits. It will also bring your gauge up to 95%. 16 snails using fire a volley with guaranteed critical hits could be an amusing way to kill enemies. Just get the heaviest ammo possible to boost critical damage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:09:31 2017 No.17673910 >>17673868 Actually for some reason it keeps trying and missing for a 4th hit with 3/4 slots equipped. No + hit equips. I don't think duel wield is supposed to work like that

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:15:46 2017 No.17673935 >>17673868 Skills never ever grant extra ("furthermore") attacks. They only come from class feats and equipment, as far as I am aware.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:19:02 2017 No.17673945

>>17673868
>>17673935
And to make things clear, skills determine the number of "furthermore" attacks you are ALLOWED to get.
Most melee is capped at 4, MA caps at 8. I think Ranged can only get one or two?
Dual Wield can get "furthermore" attacks on every hand's hit, but every additional hand gets an increasing penalty to getting them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:20:32 2017 No.17673952 File: 86 KB, 622x177, urca bed time.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17673906 I can sleep with the clone version, but not with the original. Oh well, deep down she loves me. I should probably do some custom text for her.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:22:27 2017 No.17673963

>>17673935
Its extra arms I was seeing if help unarmed, like if it hit once per arm or your char is unable to use multiple arms despite having them unless holding something. The latter is the case. Which means its a question of if duel wielding is not only strong enough to compare to unarmed/2 handers but strong enough to be worth using mutant slots on hands over... whatever else you'd use them on. Of which I'm not sure since you can't wear multiple of the same artifact so no multiple 7 leagues/that one Ashura necklace, etc and I don't know if the good effects are more likely to spawn on certain types of equips or not since I never really bothered with crafting or messed with equips much on my last char

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:24:34 2017 No.17673975 I need ~20 craft repair kits, wat do

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:25:14 2017 No.17673980 >>17673963 I think there's a point at which you'd get more use out of another armor slot than your 20th hand. Not sure when though, sounds like one hell of a theorycrafting job. Diminishing returns is definitely a thing with Dual Wield hands.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:30:12 2017 No.17673999

>>17673980
I remember someone here with an absurdly strong char said on his char duel wield is the weakest way of melee fighting, but I don't think his was a mutant, or how close it was. If it was even vaguely close on a standard 2 armed char duel wield should easily win. Then I just need to figure out how many slots I need to dedicate to accuracy items, test that somehow (wizard mode/wizard wishes are shocklingly limited in the equips they can give you) and then I can just use any extra slots on whatever seems decent. Then I just need to save scum enough to get it all to work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:30:53 2017 No.17674001 >>17673975 One of the types of general stores ~lvl 100 holds them occasionally..

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:36:48 2017 No.17674025 >>17673945 gotten 3 on range attacks (pumpkin tossing ninja stars gotten 3 in one turn) not sure if it can hit 4 or not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:38:03 2017 No.17674029 File: 15 KB, 160x169, 1409592635455.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17673339 Either you're not sleepy, you're not standing over a bed, or she secretly hates you, because you can definitely bang non-party Urcaguary.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 19:39:41 2017 No.17674035 >>17674029 I'll fuck her and her clone even if it's the last thing I do then.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 20:54:27 2017 No.17674282 Does anyone know if enhanced rice balls train Speed? I checked source.hsp, but I couldn't find the part of *eatEffect that handles enhanced food; just the code for the herb bit and quickling corpses.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:00:45 2017 No.17674299 >>17674282 I just checked. They do. Hopefully that doesn't get nerfed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:02:00 2017 No.17674309 >>17673559 Someday i will do something notable or stupid enough to get into an op image.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:03:45 2017 No.17674312 >>17674299 It's intentional, I think. They said it should apply to ALL foods with a + value, even if it doesn't train it normally.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:05:33 2017 No.17674316 File: 151 KB, 960x720, 2c1eae960808bf8669f0a842d4b39510.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i really want to impregnate a dark elf.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:05:54 2017 No.17674320 >>17673774 I mean you can still fuse things into uniques, just less. I know it isn't saying much at all since he is ridiculously over leveled, but from his screens he posted a good bit of Kai's gear are just unique he added more resists to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:18:17 2017 No.17674374 >>17674320 Yea, and to think that even with how strong he is, you can still create gear that's even better than that. I love the almost limitless power potential this game has.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:18:53 2017 No.17674376
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Now that's an interesting question. How does a living lightsaber stack up against a living claymore if wielded two handed? Lightsaber has 100% pierce while claymore has 0% but the claymore has the better damage dice. Decided to take Kai and do some damage tests against the enemies I'm fighting in the void which have cap attributes and cap skills. Important here is the cap armor skills.

Both Claymore and Lightsaber are around 420s. Lightsaber I kept ether but applied a craft repair kit. Claymore I used an adamantium material kit and craft repair kit. Both have been enhanced to +10 using the blacksmith. All 10 living weapon levels went to magic damage for both of them.

Despite the living lightsaber having less damage dice, it was doing more damage than my living claymore. I'm thinking it's due to the 100% pierce. In the instance of my pic, total damage for the lightsaber was 1,078,278 while claymore is 752,467. Ignoring the damage with proximity assist, highest crit/magic damage for the living lightsaber totaled 347,027 and living claymore totaled 296,863. Interestingly for non crit damage the living claymore beat out the living lightsaber though.

So now I've went from a living spear, to a living claymore(which currently sometimes does a bit more damage than my living spear despite my sword skill being much less than my polearm skill.), to now a heavy living lightsaber. Anyone else with a two hand build giving heavy living lightsabers a go? Hows your damage? I suspect pierce really matters against enemies that scale.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:25:02 2017 No.17674399 >>17674376 how long ingame does it take you to get a living weapon with everything you want? I'm 9 months in to trying to get my living weapon to get magic damage and im wondering if its going to take me ten years to fully level it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:33:33 2017 No.17674432 File: 108 KB, 499x267, meh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So... To level up alive magical stave i need to use it as, ahem, club? And smash skulls via brute barbaric force?

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:39:17 2017 No.17674451

>>17674399
If I'm understanding your question correctly, how long does it take for me to level up my living weapon to lv 10? Maybe 5 minutes? The reason why it's so fast is mainly because I'm killing very high level enemies in the void with the living weapon. In my earlier days I found challenge and panic quest monsters to be good for leveling living weapons so I would look into those quests and if those aren't even available for you then look into killing dungeon bosses. At any rate, you're looking to kill high level monsters or failing that, lots of enemies to reach whatever exp the weapon needs to level.

Getting the living weapon to level up with magic damage is pretty easy. All I do is kill monsters with the living weapon until it's at 100% and ready to level up. I then look to see if magic damage is an option for level up. If it's not I cancel out of the menu and go to the blacksmith to enhance it by +1. So I enhance and then look at the level up menu again. If magic damage is there I'm golden but if it's not I just keep enhancing the weapon by +1 until I find it as a choice for leveling up.

After that, I just level up my living weapon quickly against powerful monsters and every single time I level it up magic damage should be in the menu for choosing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:46:33 2017 No.17674478 >>17674432 just get kills with the living weapon and it get exp

>>	CatBolognese !!/R+mOqOukPp Sat Sep 23 21:47:56 2017 No.17674484 File: 306 KB, 657x469, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thanks Elona+.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:49:12 2017 No.17674487 >>17674484 At least you can eat it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 21:54:13 2017 No.17674501 >>17674484 Thanks for being such a great poster and pillar of the Elona community that your posts require a name you XD random attention seeking faggot.

>>	CatBolognese !!/R+mOqOukPp Sat Sep 23 22:00:22 2017 No.17674511 File: 132 KB, 1125x2000, 1471756092337.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17674501 ecks dee, thanks anon <3

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:10:12 2017 No.17674532 >>17674511 Something fucking looks off about that dog.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:17:15 2017 No.17674549

Did some tests with a 10 armed mutant, although the char info screen only shows up to 7 arms accuracy far as I can tell. Duel wield skill makes a much bigger dif to accuracy than weapon skill, and weight of wep even under 4 makes a massive difference. Using nothing but the same type of wep and having them be 2 weight at the most increases your accuracy greatly, especially for the really unnacurate later weps.
The 7th weapon is a massive falloff point in accuracy if you have both good duel wield and wep skill so 7, 8 or maybe 9 at a stretch would probably be a realistic number before you start looking into neck/hands before adding more. Wish i could see the accuracy of the rest.
The questions now are:
What is better for accuracy, necks or hands? You want 1 neck slot for Ashura+ hit thing but beyond that I don't have any items that add accuracy to compare
And could one simply stack crit items to forego accuracy entirely. And if so, what slots are best for that?
You can get 100+ to 80% accuracy for 4 weps pretty easily, at relatively low skill levels. About 50 both if your weps are light. The ones after those barely care
At 25% duel wield skill and 25% longsword, the acc goes down 20% per arm. At 50% long sword, it goes down about 30%, at 75%, it goes down about 40%. This pattern is actually consistent. Weird
Raising duel wield keeps the first 4 weps much, much closer and somehow makes the 6th wep more accurate than the 5th.
So it makes sense to focus on raising duel wield before your wep skills for this.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:36:01 2017 No.17674590

For the guys wanting to add specific body parts to pets without having to cheese : you are going to have a LOT of mutants in your party in your game, namely the little sisters.
Before turning them in, take your gene machine, go to the slavetrader, and add normal 13 slot things ( they don't give limbs ) and see what slots the little sister gain from levelling up.
It's like yet another lottery, will the little sister gain only hands ? Will the little sister gain only waists ? Throw the dice !

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:36:22 2017 No.17674592 Great to see the mods supporting quality posters on our forum.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:44:08 2017 No.17674605

For living weapons, wouldn't lightning damage be better if you're playing with custom and ride a mount/pet dedicated to casting element scar and wetting the enemy ?
While ice is better for spells due to differing dices, element damage on weapon is the same for all non-magic elements, given the same modifier, right ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:45:44 2017 No.17674610 >>17674478 If you wield four weapons, not all four get the exp, only the one that gets the kill, right ? Wielding the living weapon to level up in the shoot/throw slot would make sure you use it i guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:46:28 2017 No.17674611 >>17674590 Wait a second...! So i can have 27-limb monster in my party?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:48:22 2017 No.17674615 >>17674610 one that gets the kill gets the exp.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 22:50:57 2017 No.17674616

>>17674611
You could yes, but pets can only carry 20 items, so you ca only use at max 20 slots.
And since having in your pets inventory a fire and cold blankets is kinda nice, at least for me that's effectively 18 slot mounts.

Speaking of mounts, is the best mount a black seraph ? There's no other NPC that have boost and lulwy's trick, well, that have lulwy's trick period.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:09:06 2017 No.17674647 >>17674615 And who gets tht exp when fire bolt gets the kill?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:11:01 2017 No.17674654 >>17674647 Itzpalt of course

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:11:46 2017 No.17674658
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>>17674549
I'm no mutant but maybe this might shed some light on the crit vs accuracy topic. I took my heaviest spears out of storage, both around 420s, and equipped them to dual wield. Normally you don't want do do this because it can kill your speed and just having 2 of these on me put me close to overweight. It also kills your accuracy but I wanted just that for the experiment.

For this experiment I wanted to know if I could still hit enemies that have cap evasion and greater evasion despite running negative accuracy. I would be mostly relying on my ability to hit through crits. Helped through the Eye of Mind skill

Interestingly I didn't have problems hitting for the most part. Most of my hits landed on enemies. Like in my pic, I landed 7 of the 8 hits attempted at the monster. So at very high levels of eye of mind/crit chance you might be able to get away with bad accuracy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:16:29 2017 No.17674670 >>17674658 That because of critial hits - they ignore accuracy, and always hit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:19:15 2017 No.17674677 >>17674670 What's important is that he found out if it still works against cap greater evasion enemies since greater evasion can force a miss from crits.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:21:01 2017 No.17674682 >>17674670 That is what he is trying to say. Investing on crit% may negate the issues caused by low accuracy because most of your hits will be crits so accuracy is basically ignored.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:25:29 2017 No.17674687 >>17674682 Well, to be honest your experience doesn't scales well. He won't have 2k of Eye of Mind. And with more realistic numbers it could be much worse. Considering that even with 2k you still missed one hit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:32:29 2017 No.17674718 >>17674687 Why isn't 2k eye of mind realistic? Kai managed to get it and as far as I'm aware he doesn't cheat. Nothing stopping a player from going with a few hands to start and then going crazy later with more hands once their skill allows for it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:36:23 2017 No.17674727

Is there anyway to extend the length of pregnancy other than to have enough health to be able to tank the chest bursting? I noticed when pregnant with parasites you can impregnate others as a special action.
That gave me the perfect life goal. I will impregnate every single npc in N/S Tyris and Lost Irva and become the father of a new age. Then the world will be united as one happy family. Sure some of those not ready for the new world will die from blood loss, but the rest will become stronger for it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:44:28 2017 No.17674748

>>17674687
Probably still gets misses at positive accuracy with a normal attack as long as the enemy makes a successful evasion roll against a normal attack. Even my character lv 50 character can miss a putit if I fuck up the roll although this happens rarely.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:50:48 2017 No.17674781

>>17674718
At the very least it wont be soon. It's not very hard to get 10-20 hands, but how are you supposed to fight with them untill you have insane crit rate? By the time when you have all limbs your eye of mind will be somewhere around 50. And what are going to do with it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:58:53 2017 No.17674812 >>17674781 Attacks during time stop never miss. They can't crit either, though.

Anonymous Sat Sep 23 23:59:25 2017 No.17674815

>>17674781
Probably start with 4 and as my character progresses add more hands. I wouldn't go completely ape shit with hands as soon as it was available. Besides, there's tons of other things I'd need to farm for before I considered adding even more hands or slots. It's going to be a colossal pain in the ass to craft perfect weapons for a ton of hands. I struggle just 2 good weapons. If you're playing a mutant you're either doing it for the lulz or you're a min maxer. If you're a min maxer you're looking at the long game and not the short game. So you care about what things look like at the end more than the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:03:19 2017 No.17674825 I haven't found a single material kit in months and have three living weapons to change.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:09:46 2017 No.17674849

>>17674815
>as my character progresses add more hands
It's not how it works. To get all limbs you need to get first 15 limbs at level one. Therefore if you're aiming to big amount of hands - you'll have a lot of them from the very beggining. Them you'll get first levels it that's even more limbs. You'll have something like ~20 limbs before even getting eye of mind. And there a good chance that at least half of them will be hands, depends of what you're aiming for.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:13:54 2017 No.17674859 And yes, of course rushing to Gavela with lvl 1 mutant it's min-maxer affair. But even they need to kill mobs somehow, for further farming.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:20:38 2017 No.17674871 >>17674849 What are you talking about? When I play as a mutant I start with 4 slots and every 3 levels I get a new slot. I have no interest in cheating in anything so what you're saying to me might not even apply.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:28:38 2017 No.17674888 >>17674849 Could always you know, grind and just accept that in the beginning you have work to do. I thought everyone playing a mutant already knew beforehand that it's going to be a lot of work.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:29:17 2017 No.17674890 >>17674825 Buy material kits of souvenir vendors in Larna and arcbelt, and the festivals. Change material with garok.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:30:02 2017 No.17674891 >>17674871 Mutant with 27 slots it's not cheating, it's min maxer build. The way you're raising your mutant will give you only 16 slots at the end. That's... Pretty lame, now when any race can have 15 slots.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:31:40 2017 No.17674895 >>17674891 How do you go about getting more than 16 slots then?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:37:43 2017 No.17674907 >>17674890 I thought they were ridiculously expensive like everything else. Thanks.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:39:21 2017 No.17674911

>>17674895
Doctor Gavela, npc in South Tyris. He can add limbs to any character, up to 15.
So, to unleash mutant potential you need to reach him(act2) with character level 1, before you get any limbs from leveling. Get 11 limbs from Gavela, up to 15. And only after that you can start gain exp, and grow limbs with levels.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:43:05 2017 No.17674919

Since 2 handing a lightsaber had already been brought up, can I ask what I need to do to make the best lightsaber?
I'm already planning to make it adamantine, use a repair kit, and make it heavier. But should I take a basically blank one, garok extra attack onto it, then eventually artifact fusion it? Or should I just try my luck at getting a living one and get magic damage?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:44:21 2017 No.17674923

>>17674911
Sounds like something you'd make a gene for so your trip to South Tyris is easier. I could always have my gene inherit a couple of living weapons with eye of mind boosting equipment or weapons with timestop to get around hit problems. Not like I need all 20 of my hands to hit day 1. I'd be happy if even 3 or 4 hit as I already would be doing more hits than lv 1 regular human fresh off the boat.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:56:20 2017 No.17674939 >>17674605 Ice break anything. Ligthning stay better in any case.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 00:59:45 2017 No.17674947 My version of elona is 1.64, should i uptate it?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:07:45 2017 No.17674964
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>>17674919
In this case it's pick your poison. If you go the living weapon route you have to deal with needing stardust and materiums. If you go the artifact fusion route you will definitely want scrolls of gain attribute and if you're going to add magic damage you're going to need lots of sox to get the required tear jewel. Stardust and scrolls of gain attribute are going to be your major hurdles.

If you go the artifact fusion route you can add magic damage, absolute pierce, invokes, or remote blow for example. If it were me I'd look into combining an invoke and magic damage. If you go the living weapon route it's very hard to get another enchant on the living weapon at a pretty good magnitude but it might be possible. In that case I'd be hoping for another elemental damage such as ice at a pretty good magnitude or maybe an invoke.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:08:10 2017 No.17674965 >>17674947 Do you depend on your shop for money, or is it nice but still 2nd to other means? Do you need the baility to craft panties and vindale cloack that bad?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:10:38 2017 No.17674969 >>17674964 I would have preferred the ability to craft underwear in tailoring (bra, sox, panties, bloomers) instead of the shit crafting we got.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:21:51 2017 No.17674983 what is permanently missable? some "recruitable NPCs" that you can meet once in dungeons. child Gwen before going to act 2. anything else?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:42:11 2017 No.17675018 >>17674965 Is nice but i mainly make money through questing.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:45:10 2017 No.17675024

>>17674965
Is nice but i mainly make money through questing, and about the other two things i dont know i am still new at this i am at the level 45 of lesimas at level 45 myself its my first run.

I cant beat the false prophet he always heals before i am able to deliver the last hit.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 01:51:28 2017 No.17675028

>>17675024
You could try to silence him, make him drunk or cheap him out from a sagfe distand where he can't do shit.
For the latter, remove your pets, they would hinder this.

Pre 1.69, with shop specialization and cooking+fishing you can be filthy rich quickly and steadily, same with panties.
Now every source of income is nerfed to oblivion and we're left wondering whet he wants to do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 02:01:21 2017 No.17675047 >>17674658 So how should I build my mutant Kai?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 02:02:16 2017 No.17675049

>>17674983
Any unique precious item that you do not identify and subsequently lose.
Pael's mom monster form figure if you sell her to Loyter. Regular form figure as well, if you don't get it before she mutates/you sell her. Unlike many gone-forever unique NPCs I don't think she shows up at Amur-Cage.
I think you might lose out on Ragnarok if you get to Act 3 without getting it off of whatshisname in Vernis.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 02:09:46 2017 No.17675079

>>17675047
Dunno. I have no experience with mutants. All I cared about in showing in that post is that you can hit with crits despite accuracy being in the negatives. If you want to talk about a humanoid using magic, martial arts, or two hand I'm sure I can answer your questions but mutants fall outside my expertise. Sorry, hopefully someone else can answer your questions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:09:43 2017 No.17675168 File: 28 KB, 1546x36, God laser from tiny cat.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Critical Particle Cannon >A giant beam cuts through the entire level What the fuck was that? I cant find it on the wiki

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:11:51 2017 No.17675174 >>17675168 Maybe one of the new ammo gauge moves? I haven't seen them myself yet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:14:39 2017 No.17675180 >>17675174 Makes sense since he's currently using an energy cell as ammo and a laser gun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:23:28 2017 No.17675196 does this game have waifus

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:26:17 2017 No.17675204 >>17675196 It's made of waifus.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:29:53 2017 No.17675209 >>17675204 ok downloading

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:34:33 2017 No.17675216 File: 19 KB, 625x315, nm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Try not to let your waifu die too much or she'll hate your guts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:41:09 2017 No.17675230 >>17675174 >>17675180 Found it in the changelog, You were right, It is the new energy cell ammo gauge attack

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:51:47 2017 No.17675259 >>17675216 do i have to create a waifu or are they already in the game

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:53:14 2017 No.17675265 Using scrolls of oracle and sense object how can i find the item in the map? the game gives me cordenates but i dont know how to follow them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 03:54:04 2017 No.17675268 >>17675259 Both. I personally created mine. Unique NPCs require a special rare item to recruit, however.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 04:07:38 2017 No.17675290 >>17673559 I need more dark elves in my game. It's not fucking fair that only some players can get them. Then again how can I attract a dark elf when I live in a cave...

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 04:26:10 2017 No.17675359 >>17675268 how do i make my own waifus

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 04:34:11 2017 No.17675395 >>17675359 Short version: Take any pet or ally you like and change their sprite, talk text, pictures, etc. to whatever you want. Voila. Long explanation I'm pretty sure is in the pastebins in the OP.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 04:58:06 2017 No.17675575 >>17675168 ammo types have gauge attacks now. energy cells = rail gun

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:24:20 2017 No.17675792
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>>17673559
I decided to write another custom tone file for Elona+, this time around the ever popular Golden Knight.
https://pastebin.com/bKGWE6hH
This tone text is made for the latest version of Elona+ (v1.71)

In previous tone files I wrote before, I tried to keep a vanilla interpretation of the NPCs in mind. This is no different, but default Golden Knight had nothing to go on other than a JPN description not available in ENG which only describes her looks. So I took a small liberty.
In my headcanon I've always thought she'd be the kind of onee-chan who wants to be relied on, but also wants to be praised as well. I tried not to overdue it though.

As usual:
- I'm no writer, so suggestions, improvements and grammar corrections would be appreciated
- I borrowed some stuff from the Generic Dialogue banter in the pastebin
- Still needs some playtesting to know if the text flows well
- The Japanese text is still default

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:25:29 2017 No.17675802
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>>17675792
I also wrote ones for Little Girl and Young Lady, available at Elona mod pastebin or my pastebin username.

Little Girl
https://pastebin.com/v8N6DBKm
Young Lady
https://pastebin.com/6Ht0Yryt

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:37:29 2017 No.17675925

>>17675802
Probably personal taste but before I made my own I changed all the contractions in the Young Lady tone to the full words (Can't -> Can not, etc) because it seems more 'refined speech' to me.
The EN action notes helped since the sample was useless in this aspect.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:39:30 2017 No.17675949 >>17675802 what portrait pack is that

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:53:33 2017 No.17676079 >>17675792 I'm easily pleased and thus have nothing constructive to say, but thank you for your good work, anon.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:56:50 2017 No.17676108

>>17675949
It's not a pack, he is using individual portraits made by this guy http://scrapiuna.blogspot.nl/2013/11/blog-post.html
There is more in the tabs at the top. Such a good artist, I can't imagine the time it took to make this many all by himself

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 05:56:57 2017 No.17676109
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>>17675925
Yeah, that makes sense. I think I tend to use short form words a bit too often and sometimes it messes with the flow of text.
I think it can also depends on how "Young" the players' interpretation of "Young" lady is.

"Young" could range from Little Child to Young Adult depending on how you translate it.
In-game, Young Ladies when generated from diaries can have their age range from anywhere between 10 to 20, so it's all a up to the roleplay.

Then again, do kids these days use short form words often?

>>17675949
http://scrapiuna.blogspot.com/

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 06:27:25 2017 No.17676394

>>17674451
don't know what version you play, but latest Elona+ makes living weapon bonuses rotate on a fixed schedule. So once you get a magic damage bonus for example, you'll have to rotate all the way back around, potentailly waiting up to 12 months, to see it again next time.

Besides that, how do you force lower an enchantment level?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 06:30:46 2017 No.17676428 File: 23 KB, 345x375, 1429622235729.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17675792 >>17675802 >corresponding reddit thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 06:34:51 2017 No.17676457 >>17675028 what nerfed the Cooking+Fishing bit?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 06:38:19 2017 No.17676479

>>17676394
Damage the weapon with an acid puddle.
mix something on it.
>>17675792
>>17675802
>>17676109
Baing a s rare as they are, any soul willing to contribute a tone file will be looked upon favorably, though you missed a big occasion by not releasing a younger sister tone on younger sister day.
>>17676428
What? Explain further.
>>17676457
Changing completely how the special shop worked did, it's still good, but it's not great anymore.
A restaurant isn't worth your time anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 06:45:14 2017 No.17676521 File: 16 KB, 610x49, trip into the void.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 06:46:51 2017 No.17676530

>>17676394
I'm sure he is playing on 1.7.1, based on his screenshots. Last time I leveled a living weapon I did the same thing: Reroll level up list with enchantments until I get the screen I want, then grind levels fast before the list changes again (usually at the end of the month, but I had some random changes before and I haven't figured out the pattern yet).
You can lower enchantment levels with acid damage, from an enemy or any vial of acid find in dungeons (you need to curse Acidproof to damage your enchantment, but normal acid can be used normally).

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 06:49:11 2017 No.17676547 >>17676530 Pattern seems to be unique to weapon (and +enhancement level). Two +0 weapons will have different schedules, and the same weapon at +0 and +1 (and so on) will have different schedules still.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 06:50:05 2017 No.17676556 File: 44 KB, 618x136, take down.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17676521 thats odd he running off the normal AI and he doing jiu jitsu take down with his squeeze.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 06:53:20 2017 No.17676569 >>17676556 Does he know Jiu-Jitsu? Wiki says they'll switch when needed. >NPCs that use Vindalian Jiu-jitsu will switch to Jiu-jitsu if enemy's PV>DV by 100, and will disable it if enemy's DV>PV by 100.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 06:53:28 2017 No.17676573 >>17676530 what if the living weapon generated with the Acidproof bonus? Can it be removed?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:02:44 2017 No.17676650

>>17676547
Yeah, it's mostly random, but I wonder if there is some logic behind it.

>>17676573
Any change material scroll (inferior/change/superior) should do the trick, since natural Acidproof comes from the item's material (not randomly generated like enchantments).

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:13:21 2017 No.17676764 >>17676650 You can't use materials scrolls on living weapons. I don't remember mixing acidproof my my living weapons either. But it has it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:24:04 2017 No.17676838 what is this bs. i have like 30 spell stock and i cast one time and i dont have the spell anymore fuck u elona.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:28:13 2017 No.17676861

>>17676764
Ah yes, that is correct. You need a material kits for living weapons.
I haven't tested it yet (except for one accident), but I believe that changing the item's material removes any acid protection (even if it was added by an acidproof liquid, the part I haven't fully tested yet), but only if the new material isn't naturally acidproof.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:36:13 2017 No.17676900
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>>17676573
>>17676650
Wrong. Unlike other intrinsics, if an item has had acid- or fireproof before it will carry over after changing its material.

See pic related for proof, a pair of paper gloves changed to dragonscale with change material scrolls to gain acid+fireproof, and then back to paper with an inferior material scroll. It kept fire+acidproof. Tested on E+1.71

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:39:18 2017 No.17676909 >>17676838 Sometimes i think about Elona but with the magic system of Morrowind and i have an accident.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:43:50 2017 No.17676928 >>17676900 Then I probably fucked up my weapon/savefile, because its acid protection disappeared after I changed its material, or at some point after this event. But thanks for testing.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:48:21 2017 No.17676955

>starving
>no food to eat besides the bog standard "cargo of traveler's food"
>try to eat
>"Someone else is using the item"
>walk around, losing HP
>try again
>"Someone else is using the item"
What the fuck is going on? In my 300 hours of playing this' never happened

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:52:00 2017 No.17676970 How do AP gains work while riding, same as tag team, where each gets 50%?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 07:56:34 2017 No.17676989

>>17676861
>>17676928
>I probably fucked up my weapon/savefile
Not likely. Either you mistakenly thought it had acidproof when it didn't, or the chance of carrying over protection is not 100%. The wiki says ''there is a very good chance the new material will retain those properties'' implying it doesn't happen every time. But it's vague and the article might not be up to date. A code diver can probably shed light on this. In any case always check your facts

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:12:05 2017 No.17677058 >>17673559 what tilset please for that smug little girl

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:15:21 2017 No.17677065 >>17676928 >>17676989 >>17676900 So basically what you're saying is Ano nerfed living weapons too since they take literal ingame years to perfect. In fact everything is just taking more time now.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:21:50 2017 No.17677097

>>17677065
Are you on drugs? The posts you quoted were talking only about changing materials and fire+acidproofing. Material kits are available at souvenir vendors (low tier kits are cheap), and in recent versions you can easily change a kit's material at Garok.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:29:30 2017 No.17677140 >>17677097 If using scrolls won't get rid of fire/acid proof, what makes material kits an exception?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:37:31 2017 No.17677164 >>17677140 Why would you get rid of it? You have plenty of chances to get an enchantment list you want, whereas before you only got 4 options based on the name and not this variety. If you want to play vanilla just do it, man

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:40:49 2017 No.17677178

>>17676989
I'm planning to test it again when I get home, with acidproof materials and using liquid on non-acidproof ones. Now I want to understand what happened to my weapon.
>In any case always check your facts
You are correct, phoneposting was a mistake. It was silly of me to posting things just with vague memories.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:45:33 2017 No.17677197

>>17676394
this "fixed schedule" doesn't seem so fixed to me. or it has some fucked up logic that makes it especially exasperating. In February I got one living weapon, leveled it up and got nether, the next month I got nether, then sound, then nerve...it seemed like I would hit chaos and magic right after. Instead it went to darkness, mind, poison, nether. In october now.

At some point I picked up another living weapon (got them both cheap from merchants on the road), and while it started off with its own pattern, it synched up with my other living weapon and they both give the same options on level up.

I didn't know that enchanting it would move the list along or I wouldn't have already acid proofed it and made it +10. Might try that with another living weapon I found that I haven't done anything with yet.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:45:48 2017 No.17677198

>>17674658
Interesting, thanks. I'm saved infront of the guy at level 2 mutant (hard to do; for some reason all but 1 of y carried over undead had like 8 digit cooldowns, forcing me to try and hide behind just the one and not get hit ever since I had no good body armor to carry over and that's the only defensive slot Mutants start with) so now I just gotta consider if hitting most of the time at super high levels is good enough or I should add acc slots.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:48:58 2017 No.17677205 File: 1 KB, 48x48, up0858.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17677058 Not a tileset, an individual sprite from uploader. Change to bmp

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:53:40 2017 No.17677218

>>17677197
The workings of the ''schedule'' were changed multiple times in recent updates, we really need somebody to go through the code and get to the bottom of it. The wiki article is already outdated. One thing I like is since 1.69 pets can also level living weapons. I have one on every pet in my party, they weapons are all gaining levels quickly. In earlier versions you'd have to level every single one yourself.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 08:54:56 2017 No.17677221

>>17677164
the living weapon level up list is fixed to one element of dmg/res, a few skill and stat buffs, and one potential invoke/extra property per list. Every time.

Min/maxers will want only the best kind of endgame enchantments, such as Magic Damage/Res, piercing attack, etc and will have no use for more common elemental dmg/res or useless skill/stat ups.
Considering enchanting weapons go up to +15 max (unless you waste a weapon level up on +4 enhancement) that's a limited amount of times you can try for a new level up menu if you're stuck with acidproof.

For example, If my ideal perfect living weapon was to deal nothing but magic damage and maybe have pierce and nothing else, and once I do get the first level of magic damage/pierce, i'll have to either wait for them to come back around, or enchant my weapons (if it isn't already +15) multiple times and hope it comes sooner rather than later.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:00:58 2017 No.17677238 >>17677221 >>17677164 and outside of the limited +15 enchant times, the level up list only changes once per month. So I don't know what you mean by "plenty of chances"

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:01:38 2017 No.17677241

>>17677221
I get that, but by the time you're ready to create your perfect living weapon, after getting the right selection you should be able to smash your way through the void and level it extremely quickly. Even when you select an enchantment it doesn't change until the month is over, so you have time.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:09:44 2017 No.17677261
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>>17677241
What the fuck?
I don't see how having plenty of time to level it up correlates to being able to select the type of enchantment I want in a timely fashion.

The level up lists changes everytime you level up the weapon itself now. It doesn't stay on magic damage all month.

I don't want to have to wait a month every goddamn time I want a new list of level ups.

So unless the living weapon spawns in a shitty enough material to not have intrinsic acidproof to deliberately dmg my weapon with acid to swap level up lists around, I'm shit out of luck once I hit max enchants. I've enchanted a living weapon several times already and all I keep getting are shitty invokes and nether/chaos/nerv element dmg/res options. Waiting several months yielded same results.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:14:03 2017 No.17677273 >>17677261 Since when does it change when you level up the weapon itself? I've been leveling my weapons and had the same selection between levelups. Where in the changelog does it say this?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:19:46 2017 No.17677295

>>17677273
The latest change to living weapons was on 1.67+, and even then the description was petty vague.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_(Elona%2B)/1.60_-_1.69

Bottom line is, I had selected magic damage on my living weapon on the month of October, leveled it up within the same month, and the list no longer offered magic damage despite still being October.

And yes, I'm talking about the ingame month, not real life month incase you think I'm that fucking retarded.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:23:16 2017 No.17677304

>>17677273
>>17677295
and according to the living weapon pages on the wikia, it says it underwent even more changes after v1.68+
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Living_Weapons
>As of 1.68 the above chart is no longer accurate, though month still has an effect on the available selections.

So who knows what the fuck is going on.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:23:23 2017 No.17677305 guys i had a rod of wishing with 1 charge i left in tin my house and now it has 0 charges wtf.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:24:23 2017 No.17677308 >>17677295 Clearly we haven't had the same experience with the selection. It is the middle of May, I'm going to level a lightsaber right now and see what happens.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:27:59 2017 No.17677317 >>17677295 The same happened to me too, except the list only changed after about 5 level ups. I think RNG might be involved

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:28:07 2017 No.17677318

>>17677261
>The level up lists changes everytime you level up the weapon itself now. It doesn't stay on magic damage all month.
This happened once to me with my last living weapon. On the very first day of the month I enchanted/damaged my living weapon multiple times to get magic resist on it. Then I leveled it on a fairly slow pace, so it reached level 8 around the 11~18th day of the month. From levels 1 to 7 I had the magic on my list, but on level 8 it disappeared.
I thought it was just a bug, or maybe Ano is fucking with us with some wacky RNG.

>>17677305
Living battery disease, maybe? I never had this disease but apparently it eats any rod you touch.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:34:01 2017 No.17677328
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Here we go again...
I've taken a look at the code again. There are three things the selection depends on:

>taisei = inv(11, ci) + inv(20, ci) + gdata(11)

where inv(11,ci) is a number of sides on damage dice (for example, weapon with 9d3 damage will have inv(11,ci) of 3;

inv(20,ci) is an enchantment bonus,

and gdata(11) is number of current month.

The selection hasn't changed:

>First choice, Enchantment Bonus + 4, is always available.
>Second choice, the resistance, is determined by remainder from dividing the number by 11.
>Remainder of 0 means Fire Resistance will appear as choice, 1 - Cold Resistance, 2 - Lightning, 3 - Darkness, 4 - Mind, 5 - Poison, 6 - Nether, 7 - Sound, 8 - Nerve, 9 - Chaos, 10 - Magic.
>Third choice, the elemental damage, is essentially the same element as in second choice.
>Fourth choice, the stat increase, is determined by remainder from dividing the number by 10.
>Remainder of 0 means increase in STR, 1 - END, 2 - DEX, 3 - PER, 4 - LER, 5 - WIL, 6 - MAG, 7 - CHR, 8 - SPD, 9 - LUC.
>Fifth choice, the skill increase, is determined by the same number.
>Remainder of 0 means Eye of Mind will appear in the list, 1 - Casting, 2 - Dual Wield, 3 - Two Hand, 4 - Tactics, 5 - Marksman, 6 - Healing, 7 - Meditation, 8 - Magic Device, 9 - Magic Control.
>Fifth choice is determined by remainder from dividing the number by 9.
>Remainder of 0 means Shield will be added in the list, 1 - Evasion, 2 - Disarm Trap, 3 - Heavy Armor, 4 - Medium Armor, 5 - Light Armor, 6 - Stealth, 7 - Greater Evasion, 8 - Magic Capacity.
>Sixth choice is determined by remainder from dividing the number by 12.
>Remainder of 0 means Mining skill will be added to the list, 1 - Carpentry, 2 - Tailoring, 3 - Jeweler, 4 - Gardening, 5 - Cooking, 6 - Anatomy, 7 - Fishing, 8 - Alchemy, 9 - Lock Picking, 10 - Detection, 11 - Sense Quality.
>Seventh choice is determined by same number as sixth.
>0 adds Weight Lifting skill to the list, 1 - Pickpocket, 2 - Swimming, 3 - Literacy, 4 - Gene Engineer, 5 - Memorization, 6 - Faith, 7 - Negotiation, 8 - Investing, 9 - Performer, 10 - Riding, 11 - Traveling.
>Eight choice, responsible for the special skills, is determined by remainder from dividing the number by 7.
>Remainder of 0 means Damage to gods will be added to list of choices, 1 - Damage to Undead, 2 - Damage to Dragons, 3 - "increases your chance to deliver critical hits", 4 - "enhances your spells", 5 - "enhances your breath", 6 - "gives you a chance to throw an absolute piercing attak".

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:41:26 2017 No.17677349 File: 1.17 MB, 602x1241, saber.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17677261 >>17677308 I just leveled a fresh lightsaber in the void. This took place on the same day (522/5/17). The selection did not change after multiple levelups.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:45:14 2017 No.17677355

How does one win really really hard at blackjack, beyond casting hero and cheating? I want to change my class on my mutant to pred for the crit boost, since I was rushing through so many copies of the same dudes after failure I forgot to make her that again. 10% crit should be massive for me

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 09:48:01 2017 No.17677360 File: 570 KB, 750x1038, 61264789_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17677349 >>17677328 Man fuck living weapons it's not like I wanted them anyways. I'm going to artifact fusions, at least that equipment system cares about me!

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 10:07:34 2017 No.17677415
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>>17677360
TL note: above post means ''oh I guess it doesn't change after every levelup after all, my bad anon I was mistaken''. It's good news for your future weapons really.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 10:08:09 2017 No.17677417 FOR SOME reason MY ARENA RANK keep on reseting ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 10:13:33 2017 No.17677438 >>17677355 Other than the usual lucky day recommendation (or luck buff from blessed food if you are desperate), learn to "read" your opponent's cards. Sometimes you don't need to cheat too much because your opponent already lost the round.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 10:19:05 2017 No.17677452 >>17676955 Probably died or fixed it, but try dropping the cargo and then eating it off the floor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 10:26:47 2017 No.17677472 >>17677417 Palmia and Port Kapul arena's hold different rankings.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 10:27:01 2017 No.17677473

>>17677328
So it is the enchantment level that affects the list, not the enchantment process itself, same for months.
This means that my list randomly changing in the middle of the month happened probably because I haven't noticed that my weapon was damaged by some acid attack. Now this stuff makes more sense, thanks!

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 10:44:50 2017 No.17677507 >>17677417 All your ranks, except House, Guild, Museum, will degrade over time if you don't do something to make it raise/maintain.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 11:03:16 2017 No.17677545

Whats the highest resolution you can put in Config.txt and still remain in full screen?

Can you make pets ride one another? As in using custom AI or something.

Would using Living Weapons and such be viable as stat/ability increasing tools? (Aka maxing out luck/crafting)

Considering Faith maxes out at 2000, what's the highest default/stock possible bonus worshiping each god would give?(This kinda should have been put in the pastebin long time ago)

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 12:06:27 2017 No.17677844

I have crazy idea. I want to make supporting pet for my next run. And he's going to be pure supporter - i'm not going to include any forms of "attack" in his AI preferences.

Any particularly good candidates for such role? I know about defender, and there a couple of monsters with innate cheer, but maybe i missing some useful special action?
Or maybe here a pet with a great variety of (de)buffs - so i won't need to painfully learn them myself, just to teach pet and never use them again.e

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 12:11:58 2017 No.17677881 Could make yourself Roran and try for the new Roran little boy NPC from the book with bound in blood, for regular slots and that buff

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 12:22:13 2017 No.17677925 >>17677881 That's interesting idea, but not applicable to me. Bound in blood requires gauge to be effective, and with pacifistic pet it won't be very useful. (Besides i'm already decided with my own race)

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 12:44:37 2017 No.17678034
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>>17677844
There are creatures with platinum song (frognrolla, nymph, golden goose). Healing rain is always handy. Insult and synchro hearts can be taught. Spells as well. Probably a good idea to tag your cute support with somebody so they don't get surrounded and killed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 12:52:46 2017 No.17678068 >>17678034 Oh, right! I completely forgot about platinum song. Innate song, plus i can teach him cheer and that's a pretty good amounts of buffs already. Though, what's the deal with 100gp cast cost?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 12:57:27 2017 No.17678082 >>17678068 It's the jew goose's signature skill

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:01:47 2017 No.17678096

I don't have enough life for more body parts ;_;. Gonna have to look into carrying over little girls, getting an singular hero cheese, using them to dupe it, then getting more body parts. I got to 11 body parts without using them, but largely because I wanted neck (for asura), 2 arms (for acc; the necklaces are crap compared to gloves), back for vindale, leg for 7 leagues and a ring because I'm likely going to be mounted so I may as well use that one minus speed but otherwise really good ring. And those are all cheaper than arms.
Will need about 30 of them total to get enough life.
Surprisingly levelling isn't really an issue since you can unlevel yourself in a pinch, carry over expensive items to sell to get deeds and just have undead kill stuff for you. Steal gives exp, but very very little, even for a level 1 char.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:02:19 2017 No.17678100 >>17678082 Yeah, i know. But my goose isn't evolved so i don't know how exactly does it works. Is it my gold? Or his gold? Won't he drain all gp if i'll use him to always keep a buff on me?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:10:25 2017 No.17678133 >>17677844 Little girl and nurse have Rain of Sanity. Harpy has Super Regene (if you want a support pet that's hard to kill).

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:14:14 2017 No.17678159 >>17678100 I'm pretty sure it drains your gold. They charge you the same rate as Yacatect's lullabies.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:24:45 2017 No.17678189

>>17678100
I suspect it uses its own gp since otherwise Ano could design an enemy that uses platinum song and it would drain your gold.
A way to know for sure would be to enter combat with your party consisting of just you and your (evolved) goose and look at your money before and after it uses the skill.

>>17677844
Cheer can be taught through Custom AI and debuffs can be taught by spending AP on them.
Healing Rain can be taught to your pets but only if your spell level is 50 or more.
Some abilities not all pets can have are Sanity Rain (little witch and evolved nurse), Lay Hand, Absolute Protect (both defender).
If you're going to pick a pet with Absolute Protect be sure to teach it Cure of Jua since it's going to tank hammer strikes with its face.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:29:48 2017 No.17678209 How do I use the chat? every time I try edit server.txt it resets.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:33:38 2017 No.17678219 >>17678209 Open config.txt and make sure serverList is set correctly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:35:13 2017 No.17678225 >>17678219 it's set to disable auto retrieve, "1"

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:37:03 2017 No.17678232 >>17678225 Try deleting server.txt and recreating it instead of just editing it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:37:25 2017 No.17678234 File: 378 KB, 806x625, were the Vindalian Jiu-jitsu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17676569 No he does not only skills he got base off chaos seed and its evos+the MA stuff off black gauntlet leold. Some thing not right about this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:53:09 2017 No.17678288 Can I use the outdated Elona Plus Beautify ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:55:25 2017 No.17678298 >>17678288 You will need to edit the graphics sheets you want to use with the default ones so that new things are included.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 13:57:00 2017 No.17678307 >>17678288 You can if you add the newly added/changed sprites to the spritesheets with paint or gimp. Then just make sure all graphics match. That's what I've been doing.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:07:42 2017 No.17678337

>>17677328
I'm not much of a math person but if that's the case then what are the desired variables to let's say have the ability to "inflict Chaos"? Because it seems that that was one of the attributes I was allowed to add to my living weapon and I can't seem to see that in the choices.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:11:45 2017 No.17678353 >>17678288 Its what I do and all I've noticed an issue with is teas, which i don't even care enough to fix

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:14:27 2017 No.17678365 Where can i get books of mutation or books of resurrection or forbiden meat?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:17:32 2017 No.17678374 >>17678337 It's right there under the third choice, which is the same as the second. So you'd get Chaos if the remainder is 9.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:18:17 2017 No.17678377 >>17678365 >books of mutation Luck. After fully reading one, the book store in mage's guild. >books of resurrection Rare drop from mummies. >forbidden meat Pot of fusion, quest reward at some point in Act 2's main quest.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:22:24 2017 No.17678390 >>17678377 Thanks i suppose i should go to the pyramid and grind.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:25:08 2017 No.17678401 I made someone my soul mate by killing and reviving them repeatedly. Because I killed them in one hit each time and had the secret treasure of the wicked I gained karma. This is my favorite game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:33:57 2017 No.17678426 >>17678401 I fix my karma that way. Murder a dozen of guards in Palmia and revive 'em.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:56:05 2017 No.17678503 So, what's the best layout for mutant? Ignoring acuracity. Twin Edge, SLB, and 21 hands? Or, by the way, maybe i can give SLB to mount? Will it work?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:56:49 2017 No.17678508

>>17678426
Oh. I just got pissed at someone who heard me stealing. I found out bards can be revived as well.

So I have a couple questions about splitting allies. If they're taught abilities or get feats through AP will the freshly created version get them as well? Will the wet status interfere with splitting?

I ask because I think a cluster bomb rock with a magaqua could make for a good ally. The newly created ones should remain wet long enough for me to get away.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 14:58:18 2017 No.17678515 >>17678508 Wet stops splitting how you stop bomb rocks form blowing up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:00:17 2017 No.17678519 >>17678515 Wet also stops them from exploding. Never done a hunting quest in the rain before?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:09:54 2017 No.17678563

>>17678508
It seems inconvenient to say the least. You'd have to always be running away (possibly into danger) from your own pet and worrying about the blast radius. Although you could train one until he is strong enough to survive his own blast and maybe call him in to inflict massive damage to e.g. gods.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:14:02 2017 No.17678578 >>17678563 IIRC suicide attacks deal 99999 damage to suicidee and don't scale all that well. Not really worth it.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:17:58 2017 No.17678586

>>17678563

Bomb Rock would need over 99999 hp to survive the suicide attack means shit ton of levels and points in con and life boosting.

If going do this train up bomb rock and evolve it into black crystal bomb with a magic heart, gaining 40 constitution and 30 speed stat bonuses, Shadow Step special action.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:21:11 2017 No.17678599 >>17678578 This. Same reason allies with death word aren't as useful as you'd first expect.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:21:27 2017 No.17678601

>>17678563
I was thinking a tag team with me riding another pet. Disable their special actions to prevent draw shadow from being used. After that just teleport out of the way whenever a new one appears and let them handle it.

Why I chose the cluster bomb rock was so I can quickly clear out the group of them once I leave the area and they become hostile. Damaging enemies is just a pleasant side effect.

I heard that the barrier feat makes it survivable at low levels. So long as the original doesn't detonate I can have a repeatedly exploding mass of minions.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:25:30 2017 No.17678622
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Newfag here, I read all the instructions of installing Elona+ 1.71 and Elona+C 1.71 properly. Elona+ works without the custom but once I installed the custom, error happens.
This is what I did: I first install Elona+, then extract the Elona Custom in the Elona+ folder ,and then run ElonaC.exe instead of Elonaplus.exe. But this is what happens when I open it (and yes I tried running it as administrator). Any idea what went wrong?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:31:11 2017 No.17678642 >>17678622 did u run it in compatibility

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:32:27 2017 No.17678650 File: 1.03 MB, 1067x672, Screen Shot 2017-09-25 at 4.30.09 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17678622 Pic of Elona working without the Custom.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:34:24 2017 No.17678657 >>17678622 Give a cap of your game folder?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:42:15 2017 No.17678685 File: 413 KB, 1440x793, Screen Shot 2017-09-25 at 4.41.18 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17678642 Yes, Win7 to be exact. >>17678657 Here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:48:05 2017 No.17678703 >>17678685 Everything seems to be in order, when extracting the custom files you properly overwrote everything right? No idea what the problem might be

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:50:43 2017 No.17678712 >>17678703 Yes, I let the custom files overwrite everything just like what the instruction said.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 15:52:45 2017 No.17678720

>>17678712
Do it again, if you Copied over everything instead of using Cut it shouldn't take you long.
I had this happen to me few times while updating/reinstalling. Not the same error mind you, just that game refused to open despite doing everything correctly.

If all fails restart your PC or Shut it down, wait a minute then start it up again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 16:09:23 2017 No.17678782 >>17677925 >needs gauge to be effective Why? Bound in blood doesn't require gauge, it increase gauge.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 16:21:29 2017 No.17678816 >>17678720 I tried everything to make Elona+ Custom to work but the same error keeps happening, guess I'm stuck with just the standard Elona+ for my Mac. Well I still have my PC so I guess I'll install Elona+ on it to play the Custom.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 16:22:16 2017 No.17678822

>Get ganked by bandits on road during cargo sale run
>Really don't want to give my cash to them
>Start fighting
>little girl tanking like a god
>Charge up gauge and aim for the boss
>Hits once, barely ~5% hp down
>Hits again, this time in melee range and take another HP bit off
>And again and again and again
>Keep slashing constantly for 20 something attacks before killing the boss
>Run away behind little girl
>She wipes out the underlings easily
That went better than expected.

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Anonymous Sun Sep 24 16:36:03 2017 No.17678872
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>>17677545
>Can you make pets ride one another?
No, you can only tag team them together.

>Would using Living Weapons and such be viable as stat/ability increasing tools?
Yes, but only for luck and maaaaybe speed. +141 luck per weapon is a sizeable boost, and if you wield three (2 hands + range slot) living luck-sticks before going shopping, you get +423 luck. Add in happy apples \ soma \ lucky day...

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 16:45:50 2017 No.17678906 >>17676479 >changing how special shop works I thought they only capped sell prices of things you buy from NPCs and equipment?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:06:51 2017 No.17678989
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>>17676394
This is what leveling a living weapon is like for Kai.

1) Got back from doing 50 floors of the void and have some stardust to use due to repeat precious weapons on void bosses. Do some crafting in my blacksmith shop as I'm going to sell everything that isn't a living lightsaber. Get living lightsaber and apply adamantium material kit and repair kit to maximize damage dice and get rid of speeding up ether disease. Apply cursed flying scrolls to increase its weight for higher crit damage.

2) Head back into the void to quickly level up the lightsaber. Once it's at 100% it's ready to level up

3) I look at the menu choice of what I can select for level up. Cold damage is nice but I'm aiming for magic damage. Escape out of the menu choosing not to level up the living weapon at this time and head to town.

4) At the blacksmith I harden the living lightsaber giving it a +1 bonus.

5) Go to level the living weapon. The menu has changed. Instead of offering cold damage it's now offering lightning damage. Still not what I'm looking for. Want magic damage so I escape out of the menu.

6) I talk to the blacksmith again and harden my living lightsaber to +2.

7) I check the leveling menu again and find it's now offering darkness damage. Still not what I want.

8) I end up stepping through the hardening process with the blacksmith checking the menu each time. In this case, I end up having to harden my weapon to +9 before I get the level up menu I want.

9) At +9 I get the menu I want with magic damage and choose it.

to be cont.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:17:12 2017 No.17679023

>>17678872
>Yes, but only for luck and maaaaybe speed.
Mutants OP then, if you want nearly 100% positive crafting then mutants are a way to go.
5000 is the maximum number for the quality check AFAIK and with 2000 stock luck+Lucky day+Mutant weapon luck boost.
And then, you just put all those up for you gene to inherit.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:28:39 2017 No.17679068
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>>17678989
1) Head back into the void to level the living weapon further. At 100% it's ready to level up.

2) The menu is still offering magic damage for level up. I'm trying to level up the weapon quickly to keep the same menu because the menu can change if the month changes. Currently the date in my game is 8/27 in my game. If it changes to 9/1 level up choices may change and I don't want that seeing as how the menu I now have has the magic damage I want.

3) Still leveling the weapon.

4) Menu staying the same and I keep adding more magic damage.

5) Get the living weapon to lv 9 and the menu has never changed for me allowing me to add magic damage to my living weapon for each level.

6) Final menu to add magic damage. I managed to level up my living weapon to lv 10. Looks like I also did it in one in game day. Running Elona+ 1.71.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:40:02 2017 No.17679112 For some reason tag teaming with any pet makes my game kind of stuttery on moving. I don't get it

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:42:07 2017 No.17679118 >>17679112 Normally, when you move your sprite "glides" from tile to tile. When tag-teamed you just teleport instead. So it feels jerky.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 17:54:26 2017 No.17679162 >>17679118 Oh I thought it was gonna be a ''just me'' issue.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:01:58 2017 No.17679189

For some reason the Gamma Shift Core I carried over to my daughter has 78550h cooldown. Which never goes down. The Omega I have in the heir trunk I can't afford to take out also has that cooldown and never goes down. And most of my undead coffins.
Any idea why they won't go down? Or why they're so high? I carried them over to not have to spend more wishes on them but now I'm likely gonna have to

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:05:35 2017 No.17679205 >>17679189 >9year wait time dang

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:06:14 2017 No.17679208 So I assigned my cupid of love to a ranch and it produced only a single offspring. Is this normal? Why does the cupid of love refuse to make love?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:06:15 2017 No.17679209 >>17679189 If the cooldown is set by date and not time remaining, that could explain it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:07:54 2017 No.17679218 >>17679208 Cupid race has a breed power of a whopping 1. So you'll probably never get another while you've received one, since the more offspring there are in the ranch the more of a penalty there is on breeding more.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:09:25 2017 No.17679229

>>17679205
Yea I doubt I'll even play long enough to get it down lol.

>>17679209
Maybe. Been doing farming quests and now its at 78487, but its only going down in them far as I can tell. Waiting in town or walking on the map for any amount of time does nothing which is what made me think its frozen. Its very weird.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:09:36 2017 No.17679230 >>17679218 Oh, gotcha. Guess I'll kill it then

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:18:34 2017 No.17679272 How do I track skills? It says . But hitting shift to press closes the menu.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:21:46 2017 No.17679279 >>17679230 Holy shit, fucker reproduces in a day, but only one at a time. Goddamn, at least my purpose of a cupid meat farm is fulfilled

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:23:09 2017 No.17679288 >>17679272 Use your numpad

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:23:53 2017 No.17679291 >>17679189 >>17679209 >>17679229 I always figured the cores would be a precious item, especially since they can only be wished for. surprised they aren't, but with cooldowns like those they might as well be.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:24:04 2017 No.17679293 >>17679288 Oh lol I'm dumb

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:24:39 2017 No.17679296 >>17679189 The deep sea castle may reset the cooldown to the maximum normal cooldown. It's worth a shot at least.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:26:31 2017 No.17679305 >>17679296 Don't have access to it yet but I'll check it once I do. Good idea.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:30:14 2017 No.17679319 Do absolute piercing attacks only work on melee weapons? I found a ranged weapon with this kind of enchantment.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:36:49 2017 No.17679345 >>17679319 I think this was mentioned few threads back, it just gives you boost to chance on melee weapons, or if you use ranged weapon in melee slot as club or something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:37:54 2017 No.17679349 Help, I'm indecisive and can't decide between making a martial artist or going swords for all that living weapon stuff I've never done before. I realize it's a matter of opinion on what's more fun but those opinions would be very helpful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:38:21 2017 No.17679353 My little girl keeps tripping on goddamn nothing and dying. Is this normal? My previous char didn't use pets beyond ranches.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:44:54 2017 No.17679372

>>17679349
I tested MA in wiz mode before starting my journey to making a 27 armed mutant, and its only really good at absurdly high skill levels. Its very good at those though. I'd say go living weps, see how you like them, then switch over if you don't like them

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:48:06 2017 No.17679379 Since changing a weapon supposedly keeps the originals fun attributes is it possible to take a lightsaber, change it to a claymore, then have a claymore with 100% pierce but large damage die?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:51:47 2017 No.17679393 >>17679379 Sadly the pierce is considered a part of the weapon and not an attribute.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:53:23 2017 No.17679401 >>17679379 No. If you change the claymore to a lightsaber you will have the damage dice of a lightsaber.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 18:58:10 2017 No.17679412 >>17679379 Lightsaber's base enchantment is the darkness resist [##], that is the one that will carry over when you use the Equip Update recipe.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:01:07 2017 No.17679419
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How much INI is too much before AP gains become bad anyways?

My starter characters and pets had INI of 350 and AP gains are quick even without a void dungeon. But newly gained pets nowadays start at a higher level. My recent one has an INI of 750. Maybe that isn't too much higher?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:06:37 2017 No.17679435 fascination dance wont train charisma my dream of being a combat whore is dead

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:12:37 2017 No.17679445
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>>17679435
The other whore technique still trains charisma, you know.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:15:19 2017 No.17679452 >>17679419 It doesn't mean much long-term. They'll get their AP quickly once you get them to the point of AP gain, no matter what their INI is. High INI just slows the start down a tad. If you're really worried, reset them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:15:29 2017 No.17679453 >>17679419 trips into the void or trip/high level dungeons or to the oblivion Palace to knee cap the pets stats levels etc for a lower INI. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/The_Oblivion_Palace

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:22:14 2017 No.17679472
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>>17679349
No idea what the damage potential of a mutant is but as normal human like creature with 13 slots MA is going to do more damage than any of the weapon skills and magic against single targets come endgame. However it doesn't do that enormous damage until you're really up in there in skill level. Martial arts damage dice begins really small and only increases as you level up the skill. It isn't until like skill level 250 that MA starts to pull ahead of other fighting styles. Meanwhile, weapon users are swapping out weapons with all sorts of enchants to up their damage quickly and magic users can transition to stronger spells. Due to this, I would only recommend an MA character only if you really see yourself playing the game for a long time. MA pays you back if you can hold out because the damage can be huge. Like was able to get 15 million damage off of one punch recently.

Having said that, it's not like the other damage types in the game are awful. They're all viable imo. I'm using two hand as well as MA and I'm having no problems killing things with two hand. Ditto with magic. I suspect dual wield to be alright as well but you can't really see dual wield at its best unless you're a mutant I think. If you go two hand you'll be doing good damage right out of the gates and you have an impressive selection of weapons you can look into. Various precious weapons and the ability to craft weapons as well. In my experience with two hand I've found it effective yet at the same time relatively easy to play. Mainly get the largest and heaviest thing you can swing and equip it. Later on you can further your damage by getting gear with additional attack chance and getting a weapon with magic damage or some sort of element on it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:23:19 2017 No.17679476 The void should have unique void like scenery and music.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:27:23 2017 No.17679491 >skill training raises potential by 100% now Holy what the fug, is this a low skill level only thing or is this just how it is now? I could get used to this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:33:45 2017 No.17679515 >>17679491 Skills drain more potential when increased now, however.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:43:07 2017 No.17679540 File: 195 KB, 482x596, ara little boys are the greatest.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17677881 >Roran little boy NPC explain further

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:43:39 2017 No.17679542 Does anyone knows how thief class feat works? His "100% crit rate" very appealing for mutant...

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:47:46 2017 No.17679550 >>17679542 When you are attacking an enemy that hasn't noticed you yet, you will always crit. Normally the crit rate for these surprise attacks is 1/3.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 19:49:00 2017 No.17679554 >>17679540 One of the secret roran characters from the insane book is a little boy with health issues. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Insane_book

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:01:01 2017 No.17679592

>>17679550
Actually i have no idea how stealth works in Elona, so this only brought more questions.
Stealth skill learns by itself, and any character have it at decent level. But i haven't even noticed that every 3rd of my hits is critical. So, i assume it isn't very reliable feature? Or maybe it can become useful after heavy training of stealth? Is it even possible to utilize this crit bonus from feat?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:03:53 2017 No.17679604

>>17679542
It only works off stealth, which generally means the first hit. My 27 mutant is going pred instead for the more reliable crit rate.
Combining it with that one wide skill that just releases a ton of mist could maybe be good since I think that breaks LoS.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:03:56 2017 No.17679605 >>17679554 >sickfull older brother >little boy >older brother >boy >older >little Pretty sure he's meant to appeal to filthy fujoshi who like their bishie white haired sphagetti men

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:06:24 2017 No.17679615 File: 169 KB, 500x500, 57840879_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17679554 >>17679605 >Roran >male Absolutely disgusting

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:08:45 2017 No.17679624 >>17679615 Maybe that's why that guy went insane.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:09:13 2017 No.17679625 >>17679604 >It only works off stealth, which generally means the first hit. Well, yeah. I guessed it's only for first hit. But if i'll crit just once with all 23 weapons i might not need second the hit at all.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:10:25 2017 No.17679636

>>17679592
>But i haven't even noticed that every 3rd of my hits is critical.
Like I said, it only rolls the bonus stealth crit chance against enemies that HAVE NOT detected you yet.
If you hit an enemy, they are now aware of you. If an enemy starts moving to attack you, they have noticed you.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:11:01 2017 No.17679638

>>17679605
I was planning to say "older by roran standards", but I actually never had one so I just believed in what the other anon said about him being "little". I decided to check it myself, and yeah there is nothing little about him, apparently his age is always around 18~22. Back to fox brothers, I guess.

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Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:20:46 2017 No.17679680
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>get wish from well
>wish for vindale cloak because no idea what else would be useful after 7LB+happy bed+BBQ+aurora ring
>drink well again, get another wish right afterward
Guess I'm getting an astral light pen now. Who's worth copying with this thing? I might just copy Gwen for the novelty.

>>17679554
Gay, I'd rather have the fox brother.

>>17679615

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:26:34 2017 No.17679702 >>17673559 >Terrorist suicide bombing in Vernis Oh look, another adventurer causing us simple folk trouble. Is it really so hard to do an honest day's work of farming than resorting to actual terrorism you adventurers? t.Palmia Citizen

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:27:51 2017 No.17679706 >>17679702 #NotAllAdventurers

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:32:45 2017 No.17679727 >>17679680 Vindale is meh after you get used to etherwind's routine, though it may save you from getting too corrupted when you forget about it. You could get a shift core, like Omega, or an astral pen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:35:38 2017 No.17679740 >>17679727 Forgot to mention I already had a shift core (though I guess I could get some for my pets), so pen it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:36:55 2017 No.17679742 >>17679727 I have so many cure corruption potions now I don't even bother to pull my vindale cloak out of my pocket anymore. It's easier to just cast return to your house and sit in a shelter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:48:27 2017 No.17679778 So why do some songs just randomly change instruments when loading in?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 20:49:16 2017 No.17679782

>>17679636
Through a bit of testing I figured out something. The bonus seems to apply if your enemy is no longer in combat. The <Harakiri> allows you to get the thief class feat critical again. The critical hit occurred 20 out of the 20 times I tried it. Just don't use the <Harakiri> again for at least 50 of their turns. Otherwise they may instantly kill you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:07:22 2017 No.17679851 >>17679782 So you are telling me a viable strategy for thieves is to pretend to comit seppuku, then immediately stab the unsuspecting enemy in the back? Man I love this game.

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:15:46 2017 No.17679879

So since pickpocketing always succeed if the mark is teleported away, could it be possible to put "if target status sleep then teleport other" on a pet, so you can touch of sleep and chain with pickpocket, letting the pet teleport the mark away after merely one pickpocket tick ?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:17:49 2017 No.17679885

>>17679851
I know right?

With continuous attacks only the first is a guaranteed critical. That isn't a good sign for a 22 hand mutant hoping to use that for guaranteed hits.

You could use barrier and the obstinate feat for guaranteed criticals. After all, the <Harakiri> and bleeding both damage your health without damaging your mana. Salt does that too by the way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:20:15 2017 No.17679892 File: 94 KB, 585x134, BLOOD STREAM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17679851 Even better, you can use your blood stream from seppuku as a weapon as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:23:44 2017 No.17679910 File: 284 KB, 862x1200, hinamatsuri018.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17679851 It's traditional Japanese apology-fighting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:34:00 2017 No.17679947 >>17679892 I remember when I thought it was amazing you could kill people in this game by throwing pianos and panties at them. Now we have thieving, suicidal, blood sorcerers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:37:31 2017 No.17679961 File: 13 KB, 957x20, Bloody.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17679947 And for a damage idea on blood stream after using seppuku (more damage the more you're bleeding)...

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:53:51 2017 No.17680005 >>17679947 I killed enemies with a body pillow, hugging, tofu, and throwing money. That doesn't compare to another kill. I kissed a prostitute to death.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:59:11 2017 No.17680029 File: 18 KB, 597x27, a sht.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] New player here, the slavemaster in Derphy stopped selling slaves and now I can only sell slaves to her. I know I haven't reached my ally limit yet. Did I break her?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 21:59:23 2017 No.17680030 >>17679885 >put 22 claws in the 22 hands >use harakiri >shoot in the back There, the ultimate one shot one kill build.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:01:33 2017 No.17680038 >>17680029 You have reached your ally limit. You may not THINK you have, but you have.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:13:38 2017 No.17680084 >>17680038 so if an ally dies then it doesn't lower my limit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:16:51 2017 No.17680095 >>17680038 oh i buy them back at the bartender. got it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:22:11 2017 No.17680107 >>17680084 >>17680095 Nope. An ally is considered to be in your group unless you release them or drop them off at a dojo/discarded ranch. Dropping them off somewhere basically transforms them into regular NPCs as far as the game is concerned.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:25:25 2017 No.17680122 File: 35 KB, 642x110, just bleed all over them.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17679947

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:26:42 2017 No.17680124 >>17680107 wait so you can just have a ranch full of little girls and train your performer skill on them?

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:29:39 2017 No.17680135

>>17680124
Discarded ranch =/= Ranch. The discarded ranch is a special property that lets you store extra pets without them counting towards the limit.
The pet you leave at a regular ranch as a breeder still counts as being in your group, but all the NPCs that spawn as a result do NOT count until you intentionally take them out. (By interacting with them and picking the option)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 22:47:50 2017 No.17680186 File: 435 KB, 806x625, pet craft.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Free stuff is free stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:14:45 2017 No.17680238 >avoiding death words >while trying not starve >had to back up >no escape >no corpses to be found >die >after all that struggle loss makes me frustrated

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:17:37 2017 No.17680243 >>17680135 can you breed pets?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:21:14 2017 No.17680248 does halberd always have pushback effects? they are fucking everything up

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:22:04 2017 No.17680250

>>17680243
You can ONLY breed pets. However, it doesn't work like you're probably thinking it does.
You just slap a single pet of any kind into a ranch, then after some time passes (days, weeks, months depending) more of that pet (usually) will appear at the ranch as neutral NPCs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:26:35 2017 No.17680255 Seeing people with modded looks in the game. How easy is it to do? Can you mod things like how your character sheet background looks? Seeing interface mods as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:31:29 2017 No.17680269 >>17680255 >How easy is it to do? babby tier its THAT easy

Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:35:43 2017 No.17680278

>>17680255
All the graphics are laid bare in the graphics folder, it's just a matter of replacing them.
Stuff like individual portraits and sprites is even easier since you can just dump them individually into the user/graphics folder and select them in-game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:48:42 2017 No.17680307 >>17680255 Most of what you see in this threads it simple replacement of graphic. But for some interface tweaks(not just appearance) you may need to edit code and recompile game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 24 23:53:01 2017 No.17680312 >>17680238 That's what traveler food cargo is for. Even without upgrade you can have 40 units, largely enough for anything.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 00:02:16 2017 No.17680331
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>>17680255
It's almost scary how easy it is to change the looks of the game. Just need Gimp, Photoshop, or some decent image editing software and time. There are a lot of decent sprite and graphical mods in the mod pastebin that you can take advantage of though so you might want to look at that pastebin in OP. As an experiment I did look into whether or not you can change the character sheet backgrounds and yeah it looks like you can.

Took the jp sura concept art for RO seeing as how my Elona character is a martial artist and with a few edits made it my character sheet background. All I did in Gimp was colorify to make the image vanilla, played with the brightness setting so the image looked faded out, resized it, and exported as a bmp file. Turned out ok and I might actually keep it. Might need to clean it up or lighten it a bit but I'd say mission mostly successful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 00:06:31 2017 No.17680338 First etherwind popped up and immediately gave me hawkeyes for +10 perception. Shaping up to be a good start.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 00:25:14 2017 No.17680382 >>17680331 What file in the graphics folder do I need to replace?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 00:31:05 2017 No.17680395 >>17680382 ie_sheet.bmp

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 00:55:49 2017 No.17680461 >>17673559 any way to use a npc sprite for the pc character?

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 01:03:12 2017 No.17680477

>Split the items that vegetable, fruit, magic, and unknown seed crops yield into groups. Each item group will be harvestable during different times of the year. This is to introduce harvesting seasons to make it seem a bit more like farming. From a player's perspective, items are going to stack 4 times as easily and rods of wishing are also going to be more easily obtainable.
Whoa.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 01:35:31 2017 No.17680529 >>17680477 I'm happy for rods of wish chance being multiplied by 4 but in years of farming i never saw a rod so it's probably something like 4/100000 instead of 1/100000

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 01:38:50 2017 No.17680539 >>17680529 Crops are going to stack 4 times as easily since their variety within a season is going to decrease, it's not that rods will appear 4 times as frequently.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 01:40:33 2017 No.17680545
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I neglected my little girl the first hundred hours, only now started to really train her and she's catching up to my character so quick it's scary. This fight could have been much more painful if not impossible without her so I am glad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:27:29 2017 No.17680637 >>17680539 If you remove 3/4 of the items in a random table, whatever remains effectively got a x4 boost. But yeah it'll reduce the inventory dump frequency, nice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 02:29:19 2017 No.17680640 >>17680545 If you're using custom, don't forget to put "if self status brainwash then move away" as the first order on the list. To remove the chance of the monster being unleashed on you instead of on less scary monsters.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 03:11:16 2017 No.17680719 >>17679445 sauce?

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 04:56:14 2017 No.17680879

>>17680461
You PC always uses animated PCC sprites (which I assume stands for player customized character). If you want a static, you'll have to edit a pcc to have a static on every frame of animation. So you open one up in an image editing program, and drop your sprite on all 16 32x48 frames. Then save it in graphic as pcc_body_[number] and select it like any other body

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 05:03:54 2017 No.17680891 >>17679419 That sister is cute! CUTE!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 05:47:56 2017 No.17681025 File: 422 KB, 799x604, Captura.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >playing elona for the first time >at least for the first time after having read the fucking beginners guide >this happens what the fuck do I do

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 05:49:37 2017 No.17681028 >>17681025 There is a wish article on the wiki that can give you some suggestions. Popular wishes are seven league boots, happy bed, and shift core. However happy beds have become rather common now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 05:56:07 2017 No.17681045 >>17681025 seven league boots can help you get around quicker in world map, and do more quests faster as a result hopping from town to town.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 05:59:28 2017 No.17681052 File: 512 KB, 794x598, Captura.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17681028 >>17681045 nice

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 06:21:34 2017 No.17681092 >you begin to feel good when hit hard what does this mean I'm a bit worried

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 06:27:34 2017 No.17681103 File: 373 KB, 900x675, 1428984026331.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17681092 It means the power of your ass is increasing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 06:28:27 2017 No.17681106 >>17681103 >You like showing off your body praise it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 06:29:49 2017 No.17681112 File: 67 KB, 548x515, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] combining two little girls makes them unstoppable holy fuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 06:34:14 2017 No.17681118 >>17679910 This image made me look up and read that comic. I'm really enjoying it. Thank you anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 07:02:54 2017 No.17681169 Good sauces for income (early-mid)? Still selling putitoro to invest in my magic vendors. (Potion of Potential seen 60+ rank, what about Scroll of growth?)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 07:04:53 2017 No.17681176 Does rotten status matter for large picnic baskets? Just the food's rank, right?

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 07:11:26 2017 No.17681188
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>>17681169
Blacksmith. Although you can't mass craft equipment anymore, you can still drop large quantities of fodder from dungeons/quests in there and get good value from them. Also you might get something good as a trade-in from your useless miracle/godly gear, I got this shield that way. Scroll of growth is sold at souvenir vendors for couple mil a piece.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 07:20:20 2017 No.17681208

>>17681169
Learn anatomy, and build rabbit ranches.
For the breeding rabbits use "you're certain to get more meat".
Turn the corpses into jerky and sell in a food shop.
If you have a decent salesperson you get 1k per jerky. With 4 farms I get around ~750 jerky every 4 months. The skins are also worth ~200k.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 07:27:01 2017 No.17681224 Just killed my first big daddy (lv18), was quite the hard fight, my Exile did most of the work while I was keeping distance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 07:28:32 2017 No.17681228 >>17681208 Jerky is useless both as food and to sell. Cooking a steak from the same meat will earn you over 10k, even the lowest tiers of cooked food will sell for more than jerky.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 07:42:26 2017 No.17681262 >>17681228 Requires high level cooking, until you can reliably get rank 9 food jerky will sell for more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 07:42:47 2017 No.17681263 File: 140 KB, 371x488, 1488673770504.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17679472 >I've dug/mined more walls than Kai I'M GOOD AT SOMETHING!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 07:46:56 2017 No.17681280 >>17681262 Yeah it's fine. Even if that weren't the case you're still making money, and don't have to take the time to cook a large quantity of meat. But I think jerky got the shortest end of the stick of all the food types.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 10:59:41 2017 No.17681790

Got my early go east to go back west with maxed level 1 body parts mutant online. Now its a simple matter of savescumming good slots. Speed isn't as much of an issue as I expected, since I carried over a speedring and 7 Leagues (which surprisngly aren't disallowed) and I have the 20% no pet bonus. Currently I have -20% speed but soon I will probably have to mount, since my plan of just using the speed shift core doesn't work when it has that like 4 year cooldown.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:10:22 2017 No.17682167 I am about to attempt Loss mode for the first time. Tips on what you would usually do in Essential that you shouldn't in Loss?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:11:40 2017 No.17682171 >>17682167 This should be a start https://pastebin.com/EdZjcgPf

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:12:31 2017 No.17682175 >>17682167 Don't do anything that's remotely risky or fun. Only go into dungeons that are levels way lower than what you know you can do then pretend you're good at the game when you don't ever die.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:15:10 2017 No.17682183 >>17682175 I've seen loss players in these threads do risky and fun things. You sound like you have issues. What have you done lately?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:17:57 2017 No.17682199 >>17682183 Grind spell levels in my basement and farm AP in the void.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:20:11 2017 No.17682207 >>17682199 Woah that sounds fun and risky, good job

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:20:49 2017 No.17682209

That's sucks. 27-limbed mutant became insanely more grindy at nowadays. New hand from Gavela takes 22-27(depends of total amount, apparently) life, and he refuses to give new limb when i don't have so much. So, to add 11 hands i need to farm for something like 150 more life. With character level 1.
Dammit. I'm starting considering downgrade to old version just to create character without such insanity...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:24:33 2017 No.17682229 >>17682207 Going deep into the void where you can efficiently farm AP is risky. I can't think of anything more risky other than attacking gods or high level NPCs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 13:28:11 2017 No.17682245 File: 107 KB, 977x165, Clipboard02.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why have i never ever used a tactstock before? Training pets is so much nicer with this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:11:11 2017 No.17682429 The void isn't risky. Awakened dungeons are risky.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:21:34 2017 No.17682479

And after comparing sources of old and current version i found the main difference. Formula to determine price were drastically changed. With random parts, it used to be life/20+5 for anything. Now each part uses own formula. Some useless parts become cheaper, some more expensive. For hands now it's life/20+22. Right. Much more expensive... And you can't get 11 hands with natural 100 life, which used to be possible.
Long story short: If you want 27 limbed mutant get Elona 1.66(gene files from current version seems to works there), grow limbs, and then upgrade to modern version.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:49:17 2017 No.17682577 >>17682479 I'd rather play as a snail. No level/savescum worries, and you can get up to 12 hands.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 14:51:19 2017 No.17682587 >>17682479 Or you might as well just use Elosnack.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:02:08 2017 No.17682634

>>17682479
I'd be more interested in starting a mutant myself if it wasn't for the fact that it sounds a whole lot like savescumming and version hopping. If I were to make a mutant I don't want any of that complexity or having to use anything but the base current game and maybe custom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:04:58 2017 No.17682650 >>17682479 Does that mean it's impossible to make an ideal mutant on loss mode?

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:10:51 2017 No.17682671

>>17682577
Well, for snail price to add 12 hands would be same. So it's still applies to him.

>>17682587
Actually after checking what going on i returned old Gavela to my game, and added limbs like in old times. That's one of the merits of having HSP compiller.

You can call it cheating, but such limit only for new characters in sandbox game, where people playing for years with same save... it's sucks immensily. And besides, i already had such mutant without any save and source edits, long time ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:10:57 2017 No.17682672 >>17682650 It's not impossible, just a one in 590 quintillion chance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:14:58 2017 No.17682689 >>17682634 Well, mutants always been save scum race. By design. And you still can get 27 limbs without version hopping. It's just... insanely hard. You need to farm cheese with level 1 character. A lot of cheese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:16:25 2017 No.17682694 >>17682689 You could just inherit a shitload of little sister corpses. You monster.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:20:13 2017 No.17682706 >>17682694 Right. That's probably best option now, for those who want to get hands from Gavela. Or you can go for cheaper slots, like legs, backs and waists - which you still can afford in new version with starting 100 life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 15:54:58 2017 No.17682843 >>17682634 Ayy it was a massive pain the ass to get mine off the ground, and so far my reward is -25% speed and extra damage that doesn't even matter because I'm just 1 shotting everything anyways. But its fun and that's what we play for anyways

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:29:50 2017 No.17682937 >>17682843 >But its fun and that's what we play for anyways Speak for yourself homo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:46:00 2017 No.17682988 Apparently ranged slot works equally good for creatures with any amount of front(upper) limbs, and even without them at all. And it can operate with wide variety of tools, from stones to machine gun. I'm curious. How such "ranged" limb looks like?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:51:02 2017 No.17683003 File: 7 KB, 575x293, putit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17682988

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:53:04 2017 No.17683010 >>17683003 Is it telekinetic grasp?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 16:55:45 2017 No.17683019 >>17683010 It's the same force that allows RPG characters to stick their gear to their back when it's not in use.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:05:07 2017 No.17683056 I'm currently using the spell sprites from All-in-one Graphics pack. They look nice but they haven't been cleaned at all, making them look terrible on any lighter background, especially snow. Is there some cleaner alternative?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:06:37 2017 No.17683067 >>17683056 That's not difficult to fix, you know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:09:54 2017 No.17683079 >>17683067 I know, just wanted to make sure there isn't anything better already before I do it myself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:40:16 2017 No.17683187 File: 8 KB, 430x273, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17682988 use u're imagination

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:45:06 2017 No.17683202 >>17683187 Completely unrealistic. The horse would obviously have the gun in it's mouth, operating the trigger with it's tongue.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:47:27 2017 No.17683212

>>17683010
Likely that or innate magic powers or some such. I mean, creatures can also use martial arts with no hands by using EYE BEAMS.

What I'm curious about is how military putits acquire and put on those helmets. Because they have no hands and in game npcs say that if you take their helmet off they get much dumber.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:49:09 2017 No.17683225 >>17683202 maybe in ur imagination but in mine he has become one with the gun and its in his brain

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:50:07 2017 No.17683230 File: 23 KB, 446x335, hat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17683212 It's like the toads hats.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 17:54:56 2017 No.17683252 >>17683212 Don't the NPCs only say that during April Fools' Month?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:02:35 2017 No.17683288 >>17683252 If so then I somehow didn't notice it was. I'll have to check again just to be sure. Not sure if that would make me happy for my military putit team mate or sad since that seemed like a cool mystery.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 18:44:00 2017 No.17683450 ''(Speed bonus will gradually increase each time Gravity Accel hex overwrites itself, up to half of target's original speed (Caps at Speed+300)'' how does this work exactly? does it have a short duration but recasts, long but goes up over time, what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 20:01:18 2017 No.17683760 >>17683450 I didnt do an extensive test but casting Gravity Accel gives you the speed buff but also "Gravity" hex(on the left) and if you cast Grav Accel while the hex is still up it will boost your speed further as well as refresh the buff and hex

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 20:17:52 2017 No.17683824 I found wing snail on hunting quest, and my party is full. Any chance to save him? Will i be able to recruit him later if i fail this quest, and leave him alive? And yes, i know how pathetically useless he is. But i want to catch them all.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 20:22:57 2017 No.17683844

2000 stock luck(maxed out) + 141 luck per living weapon(max luck) X 20 mutant hands = 4820 Luck + 777 Lucky Day buff = Guaranteed positive crafting
x 21 mutant hands + 77 Lucky buff(food) = Guaranteed positive crafting.

I wonder if Ano is going to nerf this if people start making Mutants to make genes with and inherit flawless gear.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 20:38:52 2017 No.17683898 >>17683844 Won't the bloodsucking get in the way of making said gear ? Or the pot for fusion isn't stopped by damage ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 20:51:48 2017 No.17683942 >>17683844 >>17682587

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 20:56:28 2017 No.17683956 >>17683844 >making Mutants to make genes with and inherit flawless gear. By the time when you max your lack, and get two dozen of maxed luck weapon you will already have almost flawless character. So it doesn't really make any sense.

Anonymous Mon Sep 25 21:59:18 2017 No.17684211

Sox get turned into clubs which get turned into hammers. I could turn a good non artifact sox into a perfect material hammer with nerve damage. I could then turn said hammer into an artifact with Garok's hammer. On second thought you'd probably get a living weapon before you get your carpentry that high.

What were they thinking when they removed the recipes?

When an enemy used scavenge on me it ate my caramel of termination. Seeing what happened next gave me a thought. They can repeatedly eat from my inventory, even as pets. Can it be used to give huge stat gains?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 25 22:36:28 2017 No.17684310 Some parts of Elona code is really weird... if ( jp ) { strweight = "" + "s" } else { if ( "s" == "" ) { strweight = "" + "s" } else { strweight = "" + "s" } }

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 00:00:47 2017 No.17684539 >>17684310 I was about to ask where the source is, then I noticed source.hsp in the folder. >almost the entire game is in one 477k line, 11.5 megabyte source file

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 00:01:48 2017 No.17684543 File: 36 KB, 537x278, you scream.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17684539 forgot pic

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 00:33:11 2017 No.17684612

>>17684211
Ouroboros could be good for that since it have super regene.$
But considering the only thing you need to do for a pet to go through a lot of food is putting it on the ground, reducing your speed and pressing F3, it's not really interesting as a gimmick pet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 00:35:33 2017 No.17684615 >>17683956 > So it doesn't really make any sense. Well if you want to play a specific character, RP or something that would allow you to just farm cash for heir deeds and get the perfect equipment for your new character.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 01:17:38 2017 No.17684761 >>17684539 can someone point me to where the text are?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 01:30:54 2017 No.17684815 >>17684761 scene2.hsp If you want to actually change the text that displays in-game, I think you need to fiddle with data/talk.txt. This is assuming you have Custom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 01:38:35 2017 No.17684832 >>17684815 thank you I just want to correct some things and add misc things

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:02:46 2017 No.17685298 File: 298 KB, 690x423, stats.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It took a hell amount of time, and still isn't flawless. But that's already much better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:25:04 2017 No.17685340 File: 52 KB, 633x423, retardedsock.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this sock will label you

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:28:02 2017 No.17685350 Is there an easy way to get kitty banks?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:37:49 2017 No.17685369 >>17685350 One kitti bank lies in Cat House. Accept quest, and steal it - behind first door, Very easy.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:51:57 2017 No.17685397

>>17685350
If you talk about getting steady supply of kitty banks, invest in goods/general good (forgot where I last brought it from) vendors at home, it may come out once in a while. Otherwise go to thief guild vendors to look for one, still considered rare though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 05:55:02 2017 No.17685403 >>17685340 >It grants you knowledge of anatomy [#] -74 Excuse me?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 06:13:56 2017 No.17685434 >>17683760 Thanks

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 06:18:30 2017 No.17685440

>>17683844
If he wanted to nerf mutants, he'd have probably fixed the 27 part exploit ages ago. But I don't think he's gonna when its only really with that that mutants are even worth a damn when you can get just 1 body part short on any character now and even get to pick your parts from a list making the mutant racial near worthless without it.
If he did remove that, Mutants could really use a buff, because they are only really appealing to an insanely small amount of people even with it. Letting us pick the parts so they become Gavela with less grind would be a good QoL one and stop them being save scumming for barely more reward than other classes get without bothering.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 06:50:46 2017 No.17685516 >>17685440 I wonder if he'll legitimize the 27 slot thing next update. iirc you can have up to 30 body parts(though it requires cheating), so the possibilities for mutants becoming even crazier is there too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 07:00:24 2017 No.17685534 >>17685298 all hands mutants are now, quite literally, a dying species

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 07:49:39 2017 No.17685632 File: 6 KB, 55x121, 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the hell, I just got a gene machine from a dungeon. Not a bioprinter, but the genuine article.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 08:40:48 2017 No.17685748

>>17682175
Another faggot dictating to others how they should have fun. Actually what he's saying is his idea of fun is taking risks, but he is only prepared to take risks when there is no real consequence to failure. Then he talks shit about people risking their savefile instead of some gold.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 08:55:27 2017 No.17685790
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>>17685748
I took that guy's advice and been avoiding most dungeons past level 25, been working out so far. Also, who though it was a good idea to place a level 15 dungeon all the way up north in the middle of nowhere?

Also, why don't Statue of Creator add to house value? They look dope and I've been filling my house with as many as I can find.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 08:56:05 2017 No.17685795 >>17679778 The game seems to apply some minor variation to tracks, it's pretty interesting

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 09:01:31 2017 No.17685812 File: 843 B, 41x78, I686-Statue_of_Creator.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17685790 Those normally look like this, probably a joke item. Only use they had vanished with moongates. Might be a reference to the dev

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 09:02:47 2017 No.17685816 >>17685812 Even then I'd still keep them. Statues like that should have had some value like that

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 10:31:03 2017 No.17686052

>>17685748
So you're risking your save file in a game where you spend hundreds of hours grinding and building your character for "fun"? I guarantee the people who play loss won't make it past level 100 stats unless they play like a pussy all the time and limit their actions. The entire balance of this game isn't designed for that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 10:43:50 2017 No.17686099 >>17686052 Elona can be played like a roguelike, Noa made versatile enough to do so. It's more fun as a wacky do whetevah you want rpg but is IS based on a roguelike.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 11:21:55 2017 No.17686224 Can I genderbend a fox brother?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 11:27:43 2017 No.17686242 >>17686224 Give them a forbidden meat. Rename it. Tadaaaah.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 11:29:49 2017 No.17686248 >>17686242 Mind the game will still call them 'he/him' in the text field still.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 11:43:38 2017 No.17686280 File: 377 KB, 495x760, Robotic_waiter.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17686248 YOU CAN'T HIDE WHAT'S INSIDE

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 11:57:59 2017 No.17686313

>>17685298
I want to do something no one did probably : a 1 hand 23 arms mutant specialising in two-hand style.
It would probably be the single most damaging thing you can come up with. Where a lone hit is concerned.
We even have a benchmark, the 15millions of Kai.

Going to work on it tomorrow, need to prepare plate gauntlets.
Speaking of cheese, you can make gene in recent version and incarnate in old versions without an issue, even new items don't make a fuss as long as you don't inspect them, seeing them in the list only have graphical bugs. Useful to artifact fusion living weapons, if you have the time and desire to create an ultimate weapon like the legendary heroes of old.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 12:02:39 2017 No.17686332
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>>17686224
>>17686242
>>17686248
>>17686280
For some reason, Forbidden Meat, blessed or not, won't change the fox brother's "Mob [number] Gender" value, it will only rename his gender (like a non-blessed forbidden meat). The blessed meat works on the player, maybe on other NPCs (never tried it), but definitively not on him (maybe because he is designed to be male-only NPC?).
Because of this, you need to use Elosnack if you want a fox sister (female). Some other anon tested it with a fox brother and confirmed that "elosnacking" him will turn him into a real fox sister, "she/her" and all that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 12:08:05 2017 No.17686346 >>17686313 I've considered making a pet with numerous arms and equipping them with multiple Cesti of Meteors. Probably not worth having a full 20 of them due to diminishing returns on extra attacks, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 12:10:32 2017 No.17686349 >>17686313 how would having all those arms make it hit harder

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 12:21:54 2017 No.17686381 what would be the active abilities of the god without any, if they had some? always found it weird only like 2 or 3 have those

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 12:24:14 2017 No.17686391 >>17686224 Gods forbid you. Deal with it. Go pray to creators otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 12:32:01 2017 No.17686422 >>17686332 I think it's a bug ubique to the english version. This will never be fixed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 12:39:02 2017 No.17686452 File: 786 KB, 1380x2000, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17686224 Blashemy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 12:40:33 2017 No.17686462 >>17686052 You're the one who equates risk to fun, by your own logic you should absolutely be playing loss yourself. Because risk isn't risk when you don't stand to lose anything of import

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 12:45:25 2017 No.17686480 Gimma music to play while playing this im bored of the default

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 12:58:21 2017 No.17686521 >>17686480 Go look up the Tree of Savior BGM or Ragnarok Online BGM

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 13:10:23 2017 No.17686567 >>17686480 I like the Etrian Odyssey music pack myself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 13:33:22 2017 No.17686669 >Use Gamma core on my mutant >Gain 100 speed Es nic'. No need for mounts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 13:36:25 2017 No.17686677 >>17686332 >>17686422 It does not flip the gender bit for NPCs, period. You have to do it yourself with Elosnack. In general, meats work very poorly with NPCs and give nowhere near the same results as they do with the player.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 13:36:57 2017 No.17686681

>>17686462
I'm equating risk of dying to fun, not risk of losing things. Having a fight itself that you don't know whether you'll win or lose is fun. In dark souls does your character disappear forever or catch some curse that gimps him if he disconnects? No, but it's still a fun game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 13:45:17 2017 No.17686708 >>17686681 Sounds to me like u just suck at roguelikes

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 13:48:11 2017 No.17686725 >>17686708 I don't play roguelikes (not that I'm not interested). I like elona for what it is and feel like while it may technically be a roguelike it's not designed well at all for playing it like one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 13:59:46 2017 No.17686780 >>17686462 Comfy vs Thrill. The eternal debate. You two should do a putty fight to solve it, no military cap allowed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:00:06 2017 No.17686783 File: 86 KB, 258x183, 1447983965276.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17686708 Y'now, most roguelikes don't involve several-hundred hour files in conjunction with permadeath. In fact, I can't think of any game like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:03:13 2017 No.17686794 >>17686669 Well, strictly speaking you have to build up 100% gauge in order to start moving at the same speed you'd already have with a mount. But on the flip side, there's no Two Hand penalty.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:04:13 2017 No.17686799 >>17686783 CDDA if u want to do that

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:04:27 2017 No.17686801 >>17686783 Angband is the only game I'm aware of that even comes close.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:05:34 2017 No.17686806
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>>17686099
Elona is weirdly less of a 'game' as it is an interactive world.
It's creepy.
It's kinda like prototype version of Yggdrasil from Overlord, except Noa quit before implementing everything he wanted.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:05:54 2017 No.17686808

>>17686794
Not really an issue unless fighting stuff so weak it doesn't even matter or 1 v 1'ing something super tough with no trash to build on. Once you fill it once its easy to fill it again, then you can just recast it before entering next floor and repeat.
Gonna suck in those 1 v 1 situations though. Omega makes it even easier to stay perma buffed and buffs you much more, but I just don't have the hp for it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:07:01 2017 No.17686811 >>17685534 >>17686313 You two missing the point of pic. It's not "hey, i've made yet another multi-handed mutant", it is "hey, i've made a fix for ancient bug, ignored by Ano for years, and now i see hit chance of my 20th hand ".

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:09:44 2017 No.17686816 File: 1.54 MB, 5000x5000, There is, but you cannot anymore.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17686783 Any roguelike can be like that if you're willing to go far enough.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:12:24 2017 No.17686825

>>17686681
Right now you're like a gambler playing a lot of close matches for pennies. If you lose it doesn't matter, but consequently if you win it's not a big deal either. The loss players that you hate so much play as few matches as possible, but when they do the stakes are their entire life savings. See: top player with 7k levels into the void almost dying to karata maneki, deathword guy barely surviving a dungeon over twice his level. That was exciting shit. It wouldn't have been as exciting if it was Mr. Softcore doing those things. I guarantee you those guys were trembling in fear and excitement. The crushing defeat of losing it all is only matched by the high of victory. And you call yourself a gambler?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:12:39 2017 No.17686827 >>17685298 That'd be nice on my mutant. I can't tell my acc beyond the like 7th hand, and can't really see it because UI covers it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:14:11 2017 No.17686838 >>17686799 CDDA oddly allows you to re-use the same world by default, meaning all your loot sticks around.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:18:58 2017 No.17686847 >>17686825 I'm not calling myself a gambler and I'm saying it would be retarded if they were to die.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:25:51 2017 No.17686873

>>17686816
Most roguelikes doesn't have enough content to spend several hundreds in one playthrough. Only notable exceptions already mentioned uphere. But here the deal:
CDDA doesn't have balanced late game content. So yeah, there are hundreds of hours, and permadeath. But after first hundred you're already essentially immortal - since there won't be anyone who could kill your maxed character.
Angland... Angland always were referred as hardest roguelike, for a reason. This reason: it's long, very long and danger.
And now Elona. Which even longer, and have even more way to die stupidly. Like, when you annoyed Loyter with you play in pub. And you want to play it with permadeath? Personally i haven't even finished Angband yet, and tries to beat Elona with such harsh rules it's too much for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:27:34 2017 No.17686877 >>17686873 >several hundreds of hours

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:28:27 2017 No.17686881 File: 62 KB, 395x416, 1501455776706.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17686877 Yes?

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:30:58 2017 No.17686889

>>17686847
That's how they would probably feel too if they died, but if they survive their hearts are pounding out of their chests unlike with any other mode. You see why they do it? People play permadeath on lots of types of games not made for it. Devs sometimes cater to these lads with ironman modes and such. Traditional roguelikes happen to be designed around it, but it's not exclusive to them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 14:56:23 2017 No.17686987 >>17686816 holy shit that pic was a trip

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:20:09 2017 No.17687083

>>17686827
Well, you can have it, if you want to check your mutant. I make only interface changes, so it's fully compatible with saves from original. (But yet don't forget about backups)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/721rtnd00mde7q8/elonaplus1.71_mod.zip?dl=0

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:21:32 2017 No.17687090
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What's a good name for a fire dragon child? I'm tired of not having a name for her.

On another topic, update on the adventurer I killed for panties, turns out it was a male, and he isn't trying to kill me anymore. Is there a 3 strikes thing I didn't know about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:23:04 2017 No.17687099 >>17687090 Little Lighter aka LiLi

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:24:15 2017 No.17687105 >>17686987 I'll say. Doing magical experiments on Rodney, culminating in accidentally banishing him to a bizarre quantum limbo? That guy's a wizard's wizard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:24:23 2017 No.17687108 >>17687090 Maybe she just left Tyris permanently and the one that isn't attacking you is the new adventurer that replaced her.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:26:42 2017 No.17687112
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>>17687108
No, it's the same name and title, along with the high fame too, the new adventurers don't have nearly enough fame. It's her(male) alright

>>17687099
Creative, I like it. Thanks

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:28:27 2017 No.17687117 >>17687108 >>17687112 Plus, check that relationship, she(male) hates my guts, but still won't attack me. Guess she knows when she met her match

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:49:49 2017 No.17687195
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>>17687083
Nice thanks. Its nice to see how abysmal my chances.
What confuses me now is my mutant is a work in progress, with very few hands because I'm save scumming for those and used gavela for mainly other stuff, so I only have 5 hands. Yet in my plain char sheet I have 7 or more hit rates listed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:54:02 2017 No.17687211 >>17673559 so does this game have anything to make it h-related

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:55:50 2017 No.17687216 >>17687211 There was one anon who made it his quest to rape every female bandit that tried to rob him

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 15:58:53 2017 No.17687230 >>17687195 You know your weapons is too heavy for dual wield, right? You can increase to hit with light(<1.5s) weapons.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:08:57 2017 No.17687267 >>17687211 http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/H_sister

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:09:59 2017 No.17687270 >>17687230 Wiki said it was under 4 stones when I checked. But its not like it matters anyways since I generally just 1 shot everything with the first hit

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:13:18 2017 No.17687282 What are the actual chances of getting a Rabbit's Tail? I made a rabbit ranch but no luck so far.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:15:02 2017 No.17687288 >>17687282 Back when I had my Rabbit farm in 1.68, I had I believe 9 farms and would purge then every 2 and a half months I'd say, for an average of 10 Tails. Apparently they've been nerfed so gl getting the presumably godlike luck I have.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:17:10 2017 No.17687295 >>17687288 Thanks for the heads-up, I'm either going to fucking hang myself or make a putit ranch instead for the Charisma boost.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:26:31 2017 No.17687324 >>17687295 I think those were also nerfed. Its in the changelog, it was Rabbits and one other thing. I'd think fairies but their drops always sucked

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:27:24 2017 No.17687328 >>17687282 Code says 1 out of 30.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:31:55 2017 No.17687346 >>17687270 Under 4s for first hand, and under 1.5s for others.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:33:58 2017 No.17687352 >>17687346 That's good to know thanks. Gonna need to lower weight with scrolls a bunch on some of the weps I wanna use

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:45:54 2017 No.17687393

What's the deal with clouds next to map border? Is it just animation, or border actually affects something? Speed of time, perhaps, or something?
I'm considering putting my facilities next to it, since it's perfect point for recall. And i kinda doubts - what's wrong with that place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:51:59 2017 No.17687416 Do pets kept in a ranch add to the total? I'm still midgame and my charisma is iffy at best, and I just got jew goddess's goose, and it really doesn't fit in my party dynamic currently.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:54:54 2017 No.17687430 >>17687416 normal ranch (where pets breed) counts discard ranch (where you can dump loads of pets) doesn't count

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:56:05 2017 No.17687435 >>17687430 Fuck me, I'm still in act one and I don't wanna go into Lesimas until I kill Loyter at least once.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:56:14 2017 No.17687436 >>17687416 If they are the breeder, yes If they are offspring from a breeder, those don't count as pets Note that you can drop off pets at the doujou to free up slots

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 16:58:33 2017 No.17687451 >>17687436 Shit, nice, gonna have to do that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 17:04:02 2017 No.17687480 >>17687451 Wait a minute. So i can assign god pet to ranch. Make an offspring, kick out granted pet, and get pet from another god? Ignoring faith limit? Won't he vanish after losing of parent, if i won't take it from ranch?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 17:06:08 2017 No.17687495 >>17687480 From what I understand about ranches, is that my younger sister pet's daughter younger sister is still in the ranch even though younger sister is now with me as a party member

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 17:11:50 2017 No.17687516 >>17687480 They never vanish. You can fill the ranch with offspring, take away the breeder, and leave the offspring to continue producing milk/eggs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 17:28:24 2017 No.17687584 >>17687393 Just animation

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 17:40:05 2017 No.17687622 >>17687435 You can deposit them in the dojo for some gold. They won't count to your party total then either while they are "training"

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 17:48:50 2017 No.17687664

I finally came up with a personality for my wooden golem. I just made him philosophical and question existence since I made him when I thought the wood craft recipe only made furniture. He lives knowing he exists simply because I failed at making a doghouse.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 18:05:25 2017 No.17687749 >>17687664 hey thats pretty good

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 18:08:09 2017 No.17687759 File: 10 KB, 615x108, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17687083 Also, found a buggerino; if you compare weps with this, and one is a good you can equip in melee, the hit rate constantly scales up rapidly forever.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 18:13:17 2017 No.17687787

>>17687324
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29#1.71
>Reduced the spawn rate of Unknown Shell and rabbit's tail to 2/3 of that in previous versions after taking into consideration the spawn rate and reproductive power of the NPCs they drop from.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 18:38:56 2017 No.17687909 File: 159 KB, 1035x1280, 1505775690740.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17687211

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 18:40:11 2017 No.17687912 >>17687282 Guess RNGesus doesn't like you, their drop got nerfed and I'm still getting tails like crazy, I'll hit 2k luck before I hit level 40.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 18:42:14 2017 No.17687918

>>17686808
Actually I managed to forget it matters outside of combat since my previous char just jumped in combat based quests and this one I just jumped into dungeons from the start. -30% speed that's growing makes most escort quests basically impossible even with 7 league boots

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 18:54:24 2017 No.17687971 >>17686808 You can build gauge by chucking furniture at yourself, so it's only really an issue when the boss decides to camp the stairs.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 18:57:35 2017 No.17687983

>>17687759
It's not about being good or bad. Hit chance depends on where weapon equipped, and when you're looking at weapons in inventory it goes crazy trying to determine order of hits. So, what you're see it's hit chance for N-th hand, which goes up with each redraw.

But yeah - that's certainly a bug. You shouldn't be able to see any numbers in that window, but sometimes it happens. I'll fix it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 19:13:01 2017 No.17688047 >>17687983 Meant to say gun lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 19:23:31 2017 No.17688095 Despite counting as a bed the Jure body pillow cannot be used for sleep sharing. I wanted to sleep with Jure on a Jure body pillow. I guess I'll have to settle for sleeping with Jure on a bed that has a Jure body pillow on it.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 19:41:44 2017 No.17688179

>>17688095
Body pillows have feelings, you know. You can't just sleep with another woman on top of her like that, it would be like asking your wife to let you and her twin sister sleep on top of her.
But I guess that is a "pillow" thing, sheep pillows can't be used for sleep sharing either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 20:12:48 2017 No.17688340 >>17688179 Don't you need a sleep sheep in an npc inventory for them to initiate it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 20:14:31 2017 No.17688354 >>17688340 You also have to sleep on a bed big enough for two people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 20:18:32 2017 No.17688377 >>17688340 Yes, but in this case you are using the sheep as a "tool" (you just put in on their inventory), not as a bed ("t" -> "sleep sheep"). You still need a proper bed to trigger the sleep sharing event.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 20:35:07 2017 No.17688460 How do you get pets to use shift cores? And I don't suppose there is a way to add it to custom ai? (I'm just finally messing with custom)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 20:35:19 2017 No.17688462 >>17688340 Nope! You just need to squeeze said NPC while you're over a bed and sleepy. They also have to be at soul mate and above. Dancing wire doesn't anger neutral NPCs by the way.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 20:52:45 2017 No.17688529

>>17688047
Still not the case. That's fault of one of internal variables, well, and me. Any item could cause that, even armor.

Anyway, problem found and fixed. And i added correct(mostly - it doesn't takes in account magic bonuses of unequipped weapons) compare, instead of hiding numbers.
Fixed version lies on same link above.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 22:16:07 2017 No.17688863 I only ever see people talking about the thieves and mages guilds. Is the fighters guild any good or is it just outclassed by the benefits of the other two?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 22:20:32 2017 No.17688883 >>17688863 Fighters are good to start with. Very easy to join, and cheaper identification it's excellent bonus at low levels.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 26 22:23:50 2017 No.17688900 >>17688883 It also has the only useful end reward.

Anonymous Tue Sep 26 23:44:33 2017 No.17689237

>>17688863
Fighter's Guild is great for new characters (discounts, simple "kill stuff" quests, final reward is a very nice sword), but unfortunately it don't have exclusive features like the other two (sell stolen stuff at full price, shopkeeper that will sell spellbooks of your choice, etc).
After you get some decent cash from quests/ranks/shops and completed the guild's final quest (if you want the sword, for you or some pet), there is little to no reason to stay in this guild. Even if you aren't interested in thievery or wizardry, being able to reserve "utility spell" books like Identify and Return is a lot more useful than some discount on gear enchanting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 02:19:24 2017 No.17689742 How do you get cursed flying scrolls?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 02:25:19 2017 No.17689771 Someone was assassinated by the unseen hand and dropped an evolution heart for me. Time to slap it into storage and forget about it.

Anonymous Wed Sep 27 03:48:46 2017 No.17689956

>>17689742
x. Get flying scroll from magic vendors (Rank 50~100). Stock up. Here are some options:

1.Curse scroll will curse items in your inventory at 'random'. Drop all item except the items you want curse. Hardly works, if you have Exorcist feats. Else be ready to burn 20 scroll of curse.

2. Cursed rod of uncurse. Same as above, work best when you're light and naked. Exorcist feats nullifies the curse though.

Anonymous Wed Sep 27 04:22:38 2017 No.17690017

Just some mechanics and numbers.
Selling price is capped at 33%. To reach such price for miscellaneous items player need to have just 46 negotiations. And there is one more flat cap: 5000 + negotiations * 250 coins for any item.
To reach 33% selling price for equipment you need 1300 negotiations.

In shops selling price capped at 36%, and to reach that shopkeeper needs to have 213 negotiations. But he works same with any types of items.
Furthermore, specialized shop have additional bonus to prices, which applies after cap. Increasing effective selling price up to 43.2% in the best case.

In specialized shops chanses to sell certain items becomes ~2.5 times higher, with 20% bonus to price, while chances to sell other items becomes ~2 times lower, and with same prices like in universal store.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 05:02:18 2017 No.17690085 What do I do with well-kept armor? I can't equip it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 05:33:57 2017 No.17690149 >>17690085 Its a statue.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 05:36:32 2017 No.17690158 >>17690149 Oh well I feel a little stupid. Wished they made it more obvious.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 08:55:28 2017 No.17690507 New >>17690505

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 09:59:56 2017 No.17690744 >>17689956 Is it true mixing a cursed bottle of water with something will do the same?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 10:47:20 2017 No.17690872 >>17688863 It has good immediate benefits but is competing with two builds who give constant minor benefits in the ability to conviniently buy thieving items or reserve books

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 27 11:35:23 2017 No.17691045 >>17690744 Yes but they can't doom items.

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