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17443708 No.17443708 [Reply] [Original]

So what's the 1980s nerd nostalgia zeitgeist in Japan anyways? If a otaku wrote Ready Player One, what would they vapidly glorify in their overly referential shrine to late-capitalist cultural stagnation?

>> No.17443925

I think the cultural stagnation accusation requires some defending. I'm ignoring vapid and overly referential because arguing opinions like that never gets anywhere.

>> No.17443928

Isn't the recent gyaru boom in anime and manga an example of this? As far as I know gyarus have practically disappeared in real life.

>> No.17444210
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>>17443925
How so? Ready Player One is just a mindless list of pop culture references, at one point simply devolving into an actual Cracked/Buzzfeed "hey remember Back to the Future?! and Star Wars?!" list of things.

>> No.17444436

RPO was a terrible book about boring bald teen romance. I understand why it was picked to be the VR movie because it is so mundane. Please spend your time on Snow Crash instead.

>> No.17444485

>>17443928
Anime pretty much holds on to old things from decades ago in general, like bloomers and old style school swimsuits

>> No.17444487

>>17444436
Snow Crash is like the one book Stephenson has written that doesn't have a shitty tweeest and ending.

In retrospect I think Neruomancer holds up a lot better. And Gibson didn't even own a computer when he wrote it.

>> No.17444546

>>17443708
>So what's the 1980s nerd nostalgia zeitgeist in Japan anyways?
Otaku no Video
>If a otaku wrote Ready Player One, what would they vapidly glorify in their overly referential shrine to late-capitalist cultural stagnation?
It would probably be Genshiken without the drama

>> No.17444563

>>17443708
>>17444485
this. there's already a kind of fascination with 80's and 90's japan so it's not that unique.
if this book was rewritten by a japanese person I feel the whole attitude would change as well. being an otaku isn't something to be proud of.

>> No.17444688

>>17444210
Cultural stagnation is just an irrelevant cliche in this context. Cultural stagnation would be a complete failure to generate new culture. It's an absence of iteration on stuff. Nothing happening. I know you don't actually think we have a stagnant culture. Your problem with the book is that there's a point where making references isn't clever any more and it becomes a low effort strategy for separating a nostalgic (thus emotionally vulnerable) person from their money. It's "sick reference bro: the book." That's a valid opinion. Tacking on the cultural stagnation bit was unnecessary and if we were on another board I would have just called you a pseud and been done with it.

>> No.17444836

>>17444688
>>17444210
Maybe a better way to say it would be that Ready Player One is itself a celebration of cultural stagnation. Apparently between the 2000s and whenever the book takes place in the 2040s absolutely no media of note is produced and everybody just latches onto the 80s. Even with the new possibilities of a Second Life that isn't crap, nothing new is produced.

And I'd also note it's just the most pedestrian references too. "I'm a fan of a little movie series called Star Wars, though it's pretty obscure and you probably haven't heard of it. And of course I have watched all the episodes of the very niche anime Speed Racer."

>> No.17445022

>>17444688
I think the author intended to write "sick references: the novel" but he ended up writing an ode to late-capitalist cultural stagnation. It's no wonder it was picked up for a film adaption, as the movie industry in the west these days is all about looking to the past and pining for what's already come and gone.

Do we have a truly stagnant culture? No, but we are obsessed with yesterday. The further we get into the future, the brighter the past seems to shine.

>> No.17445032

>>17443708
>late-capitalist cultural stagnation
My commie sense is tingling

>> No.17445097

>>17445032
"Late Capitalism" just means modern post-industrial, post-modernist capitalism. It's the endpoint where capitalism begins to start changing into something else, either de-facto socialism (due to increased pay and automation) or a return to the regressive slave-states like the Soviet Union and Maoist China.

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It already references anime and kaiju.

>>17444210
Geek culture was a mistake.

>> No.17445380

>>17445249
"Geek culture" is the commoditization of disconnected escapist hobbies, lumped together in order to market it to the masses. Geek culture as we know it didn't exist until the last few years of the 00s.

>> No.17445630

>>17445249
This is fanfic tier writing.

>> No.17445662

>>17445032
/jp/ is a socialist board

1 million years gulag

>> No.17445666

>>17445097
>or a return to the regressive slave-states like the Soviet Union and Maoist China
Most analyses also include a collapse or degeneration into neofeudalism with large corporations eventually seizing sovereignty over people and property and enforcing their own laws over their vassal-employees

>> No.17445695

>>17443928
http://tokyofashion.com/japanese-gyaru-harajuku-dia-flag-j/
Though I think you're right, they have largely disappeared. I have alot of respect for this woman to keep doing this, even though the style doesn't really appeal to me.

>> No.17445703

>>17443708
Is the glorification of old entertainment in Ready Player One presented as a bad thing, or is the book a sincere ode to popular culture?

>> No.17445775
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>>17445630
or a shitty Buzzfeed article

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>>17445380
#SimonPeggWasRight

(btw, guess who is playing the main villain in RPO)

>> No.17445943

>>17445775
>>17445249
Seeing so many titles and names is quite...
Like they just wanted to have titles of anime included
Wouldn't it be better to have these show up doing or saying something they're famous for?

>> No.17447274

>>17445249
>giant mechs from...Neon Genesis Evangelion
um, what the FUCK?

>> No.17447576 [DELETED] 

>>17445695
I want to breed Mika-chan with my filthy NEET seed and make her pregnant with a belly full of half-breeds!

>> No.17447798

>>17447274
The bad guys use Robotech and NGE because Robotech is FAKE ANIME while NGE is bad because it's from the 90s and Anno has been critical of nerd culture.

Similarly in the other book he wrote which is basically "The Last Starfighter but BAZINGA", there's a part where a military character is revealed to be an antagonist because they quote Top Gun instead of a nerd movie.

>> No.17448140

>>17445249
Geek culture isn't real and anybody who self-identifies as an all-purpose nerd or geek rather than someone with specific interests is either misguided or a normalfag cashing in on a trend that really deserved to die out half a decade ago. I really do wish they would move on soon so those of us who are actually invested in those various subjects arbitrarily deemed "nerdy" can get back to obsessing over them among sincere peers without having to constantly posture to prove to each other that we aren't posers or whatever.

>> No.17448716

>>17445630
It strikes me as what you would get if you earnestly tried to write an English light novel.

>> No.17448745

>>17445775
And to think I was recommended this shit by a certain someone by saying that it was really good and different. This is why I don't give a fuck what other nu weeb geeks think about my own weeb interests.

>> No.17449259

>>17445775
This shit is literally just an LN. Reads exactly like so many shitty machine-translated LN's I've seen, dear god.

>> No.17449287

>>17447576
Can you post this garbage on another board or in one of the generals please? Don't want it in an interesting thread.

>> No.17449721

>>17448716
I ran across a fantasy series that's basically a Isekai story a while back. "Sword of the bright lady." Basically a 40-something engineer from Arizona (guess who the author is) gets transported to Fantasy Eastern Europe with RPG Elements where "ranked" people have magic powers and unranked people are basically NPCs who die in a single hit. He gets rescued from freezing to death by a priest, then gets in a duel after beating up a ranked nobleman/attempted rapist with a piece of firewood but luckily he was into kendo and wins. Then the church turns him into a battle priest and backdates the paperwork so he won't get killed for humiliating the nobility, and he starts using magic to set up basic industries and produce rifles/TNT so that the NPC peasantry can shoot ranked players off their mighty steeds.

Though unlike most Isekai, despite all the HOT BABES throwing themselves at him, he just wants to go home to his wife..

>> No.17449992

>>17444436
>>17444487
I tried reading Snowcrash but couldn't really get into it. I felt like it was just being a parody since the first main character you're introduced to is named Hiro Protagonist, wears a trenchcoat, wields katanas, and is a broody hacker.
Granted the book came out in the early 90s, so I'm not sure if that was still considered new and cool at the time or what.

>> No.17450038

>>17444546
>Otaku No Video

Oh god thats old, great reference anon.

>> No.17450491

This book is like if you took Daicon IV, extended it over 200 pages and then removed everything good about it

>> No.17450642
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I don't understand the appeal of this book.
It was legitimately shite.
Nothing but references with a dull story

>> No.17453427

>“You two should keep the Beta Capsule,” I said. “Urutoraman is Japan’s greatest superhero. His powers belong in Japanese hands.”

>They were both surprised and humbled by my generosity. Especially Daito. “Thank you, Parzival-san,” he said, bowing low. “You are a man of honor.”

>> No.17453464

>>17445666
Analyses made by communist ideologues are called like that because they pull them out of their asses. Communists have been saying capitalism will collapse "right now" for literally more than a century
>>17445662
>>>/lit/

>> No.17453981

>>17443708
Check out Aoi Honō. It's not quite late 80s, but it's definitley nerd nostalgia.
It chronicles the life of the author going to Osaka Arts School with some of the originators of what would become Otaku content, such as the creator of NGE.

>> No.17470102

>>17444436
>RPO was a terrible book about boring bald teen romance
I agree.

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>>17449992
>not sure if that was still considered new and cool at the time or what

Just sit back and enjoy the show with the innocence of a child like the one you were, and remember it came before any saturation or parody were made

>>17447798
>Top Gun
Is that supposed to be some cue for the audience or the characters realize he's bad because he quotes a movie disliked for petty reasons? If it is the later case, then it´s almost like the Jovians in Nadesico (some japanimation TV show from 1996 you may've not heard about sweetie)

>> No.17481413

>>17443708
Maybe Macross, but it's more about pop culture (almost literally, it having pop music make up a signifiant amount of the plot) an not nerd culture, and the 80s part is more like it being a time capsule of that period
There's Megazone 23 but it was made in the 80s too, and I'm not entirely sure if it wants to glorify the pop culture of its time.

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>>17453464
come with me, citizen

>> No.17489964

100% minus 1 of all people here were not even 10 in the 80s, they never experienced such decade (the 1 is me).

>> No.17490038

>>17489964
i was born in 1946, fucking kid

>> No.17490143

>>17483523
I belong to The People (TM), go away!

>> No.17496750

Late to the conversation but with how strict Japan is with copyright protection, including protecting against direct references, it probably wouldn't be possible without a million licenses from different companies.

>> No.17501590

>>17444836
>And I'd also note it's just the most pedestrian references too

They aren't even right half the time either. A lot of the 70s mecha references are wrong.

>> No.17505279

>>17490143
But you get to use fairies as onahole stress relievers in the communist gensokyo gulags

>> No.17510906

.... the epicness ........

>> No.17518662

Nostalgia!!

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