Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1800

[Anonymous No.]

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>16822345

This thread is for the discussion and learning of Japanese with raw VNs, LNs, anime and manga.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Let's have a nice thread by reporting and ignoring off-topic posts.
がんばってゆっくりしていってね！！！

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よく聞いてください、/ｄｊｔ/のみなさん

他人に負けるのは恥ずかしいことではないが、昨日の自分に負けるのは恥ずかしい限りです
それを覚えてくれていることを希望します

願わくば、明日のわたしが、今日のわたしより優れた人間でありますように

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what's the password for all of those mega links?

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>3rd
ハァ？なにいってんのかわかんない
サ・ア・ドって言って

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She's beautiful!

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>>16841275
ブラント大尉

けっこんしよ

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Does Namasensei even know any Japanese?

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started mining today
now I get the struggle of mining
the struggle is real

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>>16841336
enjoy your silicosis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZcUAPRRac

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I keep getting 部屋 and 部室 mixed up.

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>>16841349
oh yeah
基地
墓地

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>>16841349
That's what you get for falling for the no kanji studying and no writing meme.

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>>16841180
>願わくば、明日のわたしが、今日のわたしより優れた人間でありますように

なんという、美しい文章だ!!!
わたしは、感激を禁じ得ない。

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>>16841349
That's what you get for falling for the lone kanji studying and no reading meme.

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あのんが

ほんとうに

さがしているものは

おかねでかえるものですか

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Made my first ebook purchase because it isn't uploaded anywhere on the internet. Feels good. I actually feel a lot more motivated to read it too

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Are there honestly people here that don't enjoy Yotsubato?

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>>16841749
i really liked it
then when it was over, i felt empty as feck

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>>16841691
Would be nice if you shared it. You can remove the DRM with https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/ if it's from Amazon/Kobo/Rakuten.

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>>16841349
The little dot on 室 is a dangling piece of shit to remind you that it's read しつ.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYT4PwCksuU

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>>16841930
ひともじだと

「むろ」よみがさいしょにおもいつくよ

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>>16841349
I just know from the context desu

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>when EPWING just tells you a different spelling of the word so you have to use edict
「気持ち悪い」とぐぐってみて

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頭が悪い

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>>16842119
I think
Mining + Reading = Remembering words
Mining + Kanji studies = Remembering words
Mining alone =/= Remembering words

I doubt you can remember words you see in core or another vocab list unless you are actively applying it by reading. You'll also remember words if you do Kanji studies but that's arguably a worse thing to do because it has less usefulness in the real world. Sorry if I'm being presumptuous or something as I really don't have any information on what you do or don't do but this is just the impression I got.

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>>16841749
that's a good meme but you should be banned for sexualizing the yotsuba

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I found no articte in my dictionary on どうにでもなる.
So will it be correct to jot down the following in my notebook?
どうにでもなる - who knows what will become of it

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I'm about 800 cards away from finishing Core 6k.

Should I start reading now or wait till I finish it?
Any recommendations?

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>>16842305
You should have started reading about 5000 cards ago anon.

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>>16842310
But then I would have wasted too much time looking up stuff every other sentence.

I went with watching tons of raw anime and drama and left reading for later.
Was that not okay?

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>>16842304
Judging from your screenshot, it's about not worrying about the future. "Whatever happens, happens".

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>>16842322
You will still be looking up stuff every sentence, minus the reading experience and mined words.

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>>16842343
I want an english equivalent that would fit in this context.

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>>16842379
It's "whatever happens", "no matter what happens".

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>秘められたる魂
This is the 助動詞 たる attached to the 連用形 right?
So can you just attached たる onto any 連用形 you want? I think this is the first time I've seen たる attached to a verb.

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>>16842566
Yes, it's the resultative/continuative/perfective auxiliary verb たり. It gives the meaning 秘められている or 秘められた.
たり is a 文語 thing so it's not surprising if it's unfamiliar.

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>>16841145
＞早く帰ってほしいとお父さんに言ってくれる？
I don't understand the 「と」 here. If the sentence (apparently) means "Can you tell your father to come home early for me?" what does the 「と」 mean? It's not "and", and it's not a consequence either, I think.

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>>16842749
Quoting particle.

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>>16842756
Guess I'll just shoot myself, thanks

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>>16842769
Remember this

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I don't know if it was just because of Maruto's writing or if I'm just retarded but I found the Saekano LNs tough to read and could barely make it past the prologue of the first volume. For a long time I thought this was just a problem with LNs but recently I picked up the Rokudenashi LNs after watching the anime and found it to be much easier to read for me. I don't know if I've gotten better or if Saekano is hard....

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>>16842804
I don't know what Saekano is like, but Maruto is a very humorous writer in general, and humor tends to be harder to grasp because it also assumes a familiarity with language and culture, plus at least half a native's speed so the joke doesn't fly above your head. I read Asairo as my fifth VN and at one point my head was hurting and I could barely get some of the jokes made.

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>>16842804
You didn't specify what "a long time" is. But no, Saekano is not hard. It's simple and flows really well which makes it one of the smoothest read (as opposed to other LNs which might also have easy grammar but the sentences are clunky or the author repeats exposition, doesn't know how to pace etc).

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>>16842538
>"whatever happens", "no matter what happens".
It doesn't quite jibe with the translation.

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>>16842819
Stop reading translations then.

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>>16842820
How would you translate this sentence then?

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>>16842831
By not translating it and understanding it in Japanese.

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>>16842837
>By
What does this "by" refer to?

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>>16842817
Not that I have a problem with them, but just in those first paragraphs there's some large (for a beginner) subordinate sentences that could tip you off if you're not too used.

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Wait, so if I want to know whether it's なにで or なんで I need to read the next sentence for context? That seems really inconvenient.

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>>16842909
You don't always need the next sentence for context. What comes before is also context. The sentence itself can also be enough when one reading or the other isn't likely or doesn't make any sense.

なんで is often just written in Kana anyway.

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>>16842883
I'm speaking relatively. A "beginner" is gonna have trouble with everything anyhow. The first few VNs/LNs I've read as one were much more "difficult" than Saekano.

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>>16842837
So you can's explain what the original japanese sentence says?

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These translations seem downright useless.

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>>16843179
Read more.

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>>16843181
Thanks for the advice.

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>>16843189
the advice is its a common use word w. many applications much like many words in english that im sure u can think of

so if u "read more" or w.e youll see how its used and get a feel for it

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>>16843179
The Tanaka Corpus is not meant to be literal Japanese to English translations.

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>>16843201
Oh I understand now! I wondered why he recommended reading more, the point of reading completely eluded me until you kindly explained it to me. I thank god that he created such wonderful gracious individuals such as yourself who will help foolish bumpkins such as myself without any expectation of recompense. I shall pray for your health tonight good friend.

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>>16843223
u ltieraly asked the definition of stick whats ur issue sperg

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>>16843228
Go back to >>>/s4s/

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>>16843179
All of those definitions pretty much amount to "to add something to something". What's so hard about it? You'll figure out what it means through context of the sentence.

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>>16843223
>getting this buttblasted

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>>16843240
You are right and it could be explained much simpler rather than having 14 different translations in how it could be used. I wasn't making a remark about how difficult it is, just about the clumsiness of the translations.

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>>16843237
go back to your job at the dick sucking factory

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>>16843179
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/run

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What's the difference between basic and beginner? I'm assuming beginner is easier.

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>>16843283
beginner is day 1 basic is the stuff u need for the foundation to become nihongo professional

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>>16842379
いつ - when/ at what time
いつでも - whenever/ at any time
どこ - where
どこでも - anywhere
どうになる - how does it turn out
どうにでもなる - ???

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>>16843290
That doesn't sound right. A beginnner should already have the basics since the fact that they're basic implies that you can't start or "begin" without them.

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>>16843664
The moment you learn your first hiragana symbol you have already begun, anon.

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What's a good way to translate 泣く子も黙る？
Instill fear in children? that sounds a bit less intimidating.

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意味もなく憤っている雅を横目に窓をみる。

(雅 is a name: 「まさ」)
I saved this sentence a couple of days ago because it vexed me a bit, and after looking at it again I still don't think I really get it. I can get a vague understanding of what it means from the context of course, but I just can't figure out why there are two を particles allowed in there, when they don't seem to be separated in any definite way. Is there some special reason why it's allowed in this case or could it just be a typo?

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>>16843701
intimidating
imposing
menacing
chilling (as in a chilling look/stare)
strikes fear in
brooks no argument

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>>16843773
I feel like the sentence loses meaning if a simile isn't used.

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>>16843701
Why not literally

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>>16843785
You didn't post a sentence.

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>>16843748
I'm not 100%, but I think it's 横目にして and the して is implied.

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>>16843796
100% sure*

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>>16843748
Could it be sometging like, "Looking at the window with 雅 in the corner of [his] eye"?

雅を横目にし、窓を見る

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New learner, started doing Core2k a few days ago. Tae Kim, Genki, or something else to read alongside it?

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>>16843810
Tae Kim, and when you don't understand one of his explanations, check the corresponding Dictionary of Japanese Grammar entry.

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>>16843785
it's a highly idiomatic expression that doesn't lend itself well to English. There are no literal children involved (in most contexts).

Like in Japanese you could say 泣く子も黙るアメリカ海軍特殊部隊SEAL to refer to how badass the Navy SEALs are, but it would be silly to overtranslate that as "the Navy SEALs who are tough enough to make toddlers behave" or whatever. That would introduce a kind of sarcastic irony that just isn't present in the Japanese expression.

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>>16843810
Read through Tyler Kim and start reading once you get a decent way through it

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>>16843748
like >>16843796 and >>16843804 said, the narrator is looking out the window with Masa in the corner of his eye. Since the narrator is looking at two different things at the same time, there are two grammatical direct objects, so を can be used twice.

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>>16843857
I'll say that this is proscribed either way, even though it's part of the language.

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>>16843748
雅を横目 is internal, this を doesn't work with みる

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>>16843842
I mean it's not like you can't use an english expression, right?

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>>16843810
Japanese the Manga way is legit

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>>16843869
>>16843879
it's not proscribed at all, it's a case of grammatical ellision to avoid repetition.

雅を横目にみる looking at masa with a sidelong glance
窓をみる look out the window

Now, you could expand it out to
雅を横目に見ながら窓をみる
but since the verb is miru in either case, the writer condensed the sentence.

>>16843906
yeah but I can't think of a good one that conveys the same non-ironic impression that the Japanese does. "leaves them quaking in their boots" or something like that maybe?

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>>16844013
i never said anything about it being proscribed you dick

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>>16843796
This kind of explanation seems to make the most sense. Actually now that I look at the epwing entry again 「を横目に」 seems to be quite a common set phrase, only here it gets a comma to make the omission a bit more obvious.

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>>16843869
>this is proscribed

I was responding to this anon. Didn't know you were a different person, sorry.

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>>16844033
it's best to err on the side of most posts being from different people

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What are some good non-anime Japanese movies?

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I wanna give up and kill myself.

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>>16844060
いけません！！！

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>>16844055
月光の囁き

It's got NTR

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>>16844055
Japs don't know how to act.
But I've only seen one(1) live action movie that I actually enjoyed. It's called Kisaragi. It's about some guys who all post in the same image board about an idol, and they have a meet up to deduce who killed her.

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I'm going through some of the Japanese item descriptions from the DaS3 DLC and I'm confused about some points of grammar.

>http://kamikouryaku.net/darksouls3/?cmd=read&page=%E7%99%BD%E6%9C%A8%E3%81%AE%E5%BC%93
>それは、深淵歩きの英雄譚でも知られる深淵に飲まれた古い魔術の国の足跡である

How come 知られる refers to 国 and not to 深淵? Because of the 辞書形 my expectation is for it to modify the noun directly after it, but I guess it doesn't?
Also, how do I even know which of the three nouns 深淵に飲まれた古い refers to? Is it just completely based on context?

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>>16844065
>adopted from manga
I kind of want an original.
>>16844067
Main cast just being 5 dudes is a turn off. I need some cute girls in there to keep my attention span, you know?

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>>16844072
I interpret it as 深淵歩きの英雄譚でも知られる and 深淵に飲まれた both modifying 古い魔術の国.

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>>16844080
Yes, which is what the english translation does too, and I've understood. What I don't quite understand is why, or how I would know.

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>>16844055
Check out films by directors such as 黒澤明, 溝口健二, 小津安二郎, etc.

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>>16844072
"Those are the remains of the ancient magic country which sunk into the abyss, known also from the legend of the hero who "walked into the abyss"."

知られる actually refers to 深淵 considering that the sub-clause also mentions a 深淵, so it indicates how this abyss became famous (because of a legend associated to it)
古い is just an adjective for 魔術.

In short
深淵歩きの英雄譚でも知られる modifies the noun 深淵
深淵に飲まれた modifies the noun 古い魔術の国

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I found one. These girls are cute.

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>>16843748

I believe the author eliminated the first みる (みて) to avoid redundancy in the sentence, and just left it implied. I've seen this type of construction often in literature. It also has the extra literary effect of implying that the author is looking out the window while looking at Masa in the corner of his eye at the same time, without using a more cumbersome construction like ながら

It's hard without context of the situation but I would translate it as something like "As I looked out the window I shot a glance at Masa, who had become angry for no reason."

横目に can imply either a sidelong glare or an uninterested glance, I think it's probably the latter here but I don't know.

>>16843701
I'd go with "commanding presence"

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>>16844138
Cringe bro, absolute cringe.

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>>16843987
This. It makes a good counterpoint to Tae Kim and gives you a taste of what reading will actually be like.

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>>16843748
If you see an expression that goes like this を...に, they are simply omitting the する verb that should follow it.

You come across very often in fixed expressions like を中心に　をバネに　をきっかけに

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>>16844080
>>16844135
So, are these both possible or what? I'm as confused as ever.

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>>16844229

Both are possible, welcome to Japanese. Even the official English translation can be interpreted in either way. I interpret that the abyss is what's known from the legend.

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>>16841349
Then you dont read enough. 住 and 往 may look similar, but they are actually very distinct if you read enough and know kanji radicals at least.

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Has anyone tried doing he kanjidamage/lone kanji study anki deck alongside core2k at the same time? What were the results?

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>>16844072
grammatically it could go either way, but if anything I think 深淵歩きの英雄譚でも知られる modifies 足跡, which in this case is a bow.

If you follow the link, you can see that there's a line break between 知られる and 深淵. They wouldn't have done that if 知られる modified 深淵.

"This is a relic from an ancient land of magic that was swallowed by the abyss, and also spoken of in the heroic deeds of the abyss-walker."

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Absolutely fuck every single kanji with 辶 in it as a radical. It feels like a good 30% of my cards that I see every day have that in it.

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>>16844865
吹き回しだよ、仕方ない

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>>16844501
I didn't use a deck but the good and ol' writing by hand method and although it slows you down at first it improves significantly retention of many words and differentiation of similar words in the long run.
The choice is yours in the end.

>>16841933
Jesus dude this was pretty interesting. Now I'll have to dig through many similar videos.

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>>16842183
Could someone explain the めちゃくちゃ meme to me? I've seen it pop up in a few works (including artists who don't usually do lewd jokes) and I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to be interpreting here.

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>>16842149
>Mining Alone
you have to read to mine you fucking retard

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>>16845368
It's a meme

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>>16845368
There really isn't much to explain if you understand what the sentence means, it's used both in lewd and non-lewd stuff to imply that the characters fucked (if the latter, usually in jest.) https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts?tags=they_had_lots_of_sex_afterwards

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>>16845368
senseless

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Guess there wasn't that much to it then. Thanks!

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I always do my 2K\6K deck reviews first thing I wake up.
and I started mining yesterday and I want to know what is better:
1. do yesterday mined words reviews on the morning and then mine more by reading
or
2. wait, read more, mine words and then do yesterday reviews together with the newly mined words

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I got a question regarding loanwords.
I was watching an anime a while ago and they were using a lot of loanwords, way more than I ever saw before.
They were using the Japanese pronounciation and all.

I know loanwords are part of the language, but is it possible that some people use tons of English words (Japanese pronounciation though) just to sound cool, words you wouldn't usually find in a Japanese dictionary?

I know this is a thing for Germans, we got french/english loanwords for example which everyone knows, but kids often use some English words (that no one else knows unless they speak english) to sound cooler.

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>>16845475
Happens in every language anon, that's why songs nowadays have sometimes a mix of at least another language's words. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1uCHviHxAg

Note how in some parts they use the "original" English words while in others they just use the japanese equivalent like ジ－ンズ or ブラウス. It's just a thing to sound cooler and different.

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>>16843748
>>16843804
>横目に

これはみっつのいみでつかわれるかなあ

イ．無関心な様子
ロ．関心のある様子
ハ．関心のない出来事なのに見てしまう様子

どれかはぶんみゃくだよ

これはロだよ

がんばっておにいちゃん

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>>16845475
It's not "word you wouldn't usually find in a Japanese dictionary". It's not like how using french words in english is pretentious. English words in japanese are more like a trendy annoying thing.

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>>16845667
>It's not like how using french words in english is pretentious.
>English words in japanese are more like a trendy annoying thing.
Sorry anon but isn't that pretty much the same?

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>>16845701
They're exact opposites.

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>>16845701
trendy things are literally the opposite of pretentious

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>>16845667
エピック

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>>16845475
Think of the way that "uber" is abused in English, although I guess that example is getting a bit dated.

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Just started reading yotsuba and one thing confused me in the last chapter of the first volume. Yotsuba points at the rain clouds and calls them green. Is that an idiom or a cultural thing kinda like calling the green traffic light blue or is that just yotsuba being yotsuba? I tried googling it but I couldn't find an explanation, and I even looked up the official translation for it and it also just said "the clouds are green".

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>>16845741
>looked up the official translation for it and it also just said "the clouds are green".
You already found the answer to your own question.

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>>16845741
Japanese ended up dividing the visible spectrum differently, particularly the distinction between blue-green. Though in common times you can use blue or green to describe the sky.

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>>16845741
>and I even looked up the official translation for it and it also just said "the clouds are green".
What release was that?

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>>16845754
Official finnish release, I'm a finnfag and I own the series in finnish. It's not the best translation though.
>>16845753
This is what I figured but I wasn't sure since I couldn't find any source confirming this specific case of referring to dark clouds as green. Thanks.
>>16845750
Green clouds really doesn't mean anything to me in any language.

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>>16845741
あのくものした、あめだーっていう

にほんのおっきい夏の雲は

にゅうどう雲とか

せきらん雲とかいうよ

みどり？黒っぽいよ？

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>>16845765
暗いよ

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Do Japanese just know every place and district everywhere or why are those never furigana'd?

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>>16845760
>Green clouds really doesn't mean anything to me in any language.
you're not fluent in 5 year old anymore champ

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>>16845881
Anit-gaijin schooling measurments are working well.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know how many total Kanji there are in 2k and 6k respectively?

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あいとへいわ

どうしてとおいくにを

せんそうにまきこむの

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Anyone ever realized you're absolutely awful at fucking everything in life and should probably just kill yourself while you're ahead.

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>>16846197
Not before reading all the Japanese porn games in my backlog.

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これってどこまでほんと？

えいごしゃべれなくてもいいとおもいました

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>>16846286
http://brighture.jp/b-blog/1105

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>>16841145
Here is something which may interest some learners in this Japanese thread.
I am working on putting together a collection of manga published as volumes by 芳文社, serialised in the following magazines:
まんがタイムＫＲコミックス
まんがタイムＫＲコミックスフォワードシリーズ
まんがタイムＫＲコミックスギアシリーズ
まんがタイムＫＲコミックスつぼみシリーズ
まんがタイムきららｍｅ
まんがタイムコミックス
This equates to everything advertised on the publisher website, plus a few others, taken mainly from
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/まんがタイムきらら
The publisher website:
http://houbunsha.co.jp/search/labeldetail.php?p=kr,krforward,krtubomi,krgl,kryell,krgia

There is a spreadsheet with everything I have so far, with information on each entry. This can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jcn7Z4tbdRblEGnq6jzfW_sc-cOekTSs_N8z7mqb8Uc/edit?usp=sharing

The first sheet is this related project. The second page is things I was finding/buying/ripping before coming up with a set goal, and the third and forth page are really just processing shit you can safely ignore for the most part. Some series are likely to be in the CoR but unless the maintainer or someone letting him know has been in the /int/ threads recently, there are likely to be entries not yet in the CoR. It is worth keeping in mind that at the point they were sourced, there are a sizeable handful of volumes currently present which were also not available floating around online. They were bought and ripped from Rakuten.
Speaking of that, below is a spreadsheet with the rest of what is going to be progressively added to the main sheet. Hopefully the columns made enough sense to browse. The order they appear in are order I will be grabbing them. This process will likely take a few months at least as these are what I have no been able to source online anywhere and are thus buying and ripping myself, digital copies from Rakuten.

The main reason why I'm posting it here is to see if there is any interest in any of these series and for the opportunity for anons to make suggestions of what they'd like to see go towards the top of the queue as opposed to however far down the list it may currently reside. Preferential placement will be allocated to requests, of course.

Current order spreadsheet (commenting should be enabled):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MJhYrTmcTyTDaVC6RTjSpU4hYEwsvYiWX2UMjqAKiOU/edit?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846348
While you're here, すかもか's 4th volume is out, any chance you could get this for us too please?
http://books.rakuten.co.jp/rk/c938577c847a37c8b64cb03bcc65c915/
Thanks heaps as always.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846348
戯言シリーズお願いします

[Anonymous No.]

笑うこととかけまして
お祭り野郎とときます
What did the Joshiraku girls mean with this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846378
>>16846391
As much as I'd like to grab other content, will have to apologise and decline anything not listed within the second linked spreadsheet. To be honest it boils down to a financial balancing act in that this is going to cost at least 27万円 for the remaining volumes and the goal is to have a full archive, which will be kept up to date (excluding anthologies and anime adaptation guidebooks) of these publications which are the quintessential "Cute Girls Doing Cute Things" manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846470
>which are the quintessential "Cute Girls Doing Cute Things" manga
...
Surely skipping out on some of those generic carbon copies of each other for some actually good and well requested series would be a wiser decision? I respect your effort but oh well, can't help feeling 勿体ないな…

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't been doing this for too long
A little over a month
I'm going away for a few days and won't have access to the computer with my anki on it
I won't have a laptop with me either, but I know there is an anki phone app
Is it possible to take the profile I have on anki (or at least just my progress on core2k/6k) and transfer it to my phone?
I see there is an export function in anki
Will that keep my progress on that deck or no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846528
Yes. Just make an account on Anki's website, login into desktop Anki and sync it with your Anki phone app. It's gonna take a while though so have it charged

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846540
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846348
Thanks. These Kirara series generally lack furigana, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846391
(Not him) Here are books 2-6.
https://mega.nz/#F!ZXoWSaSL!r7nbnm9HaNzj4zd_VxN4Tw

[Anonymous No.]

>>16841145
すみません、日本語が話せません

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846561
>generally lack furigana
>lack furigana
>lack
pls those series are for adults.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846570
Holy shit, you're amazing anon. Are you reading Hitokui yourself right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846588
I've only finished up to Kubitsuri. I bought the others to finish off my Gift Cards Balance, which I use to avoid paying my bank's surcharge for non-domestic currency on each book. It's a really great series, much more of a character study of the protagonist compared to Monogatari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846456
「なぞかけ」で調べましょう

[Anonymous No.]

>>16841145
>tfw haven't done my reps for 6 months
Kill me

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847187
It won't help, it's too late now.
Just go read or something?

[Anonymous No.]

Is the /int/ thread dead?

[Anonymous No.]

So I should just use individual kanji study to memorize the meanings and ignore the pronunciations until core2k?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847399
You don't do individual kanji study at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847405
Yeah well last year when I tried core2k without any kanji knowledge I had a retention of 40%

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847430
It worked for me. Give it a shot and see if works for you and ignore people here who sperg out because you're doing something different from them.

[Anonymous No.]

>reading when you havent finish core

Literally wasting time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847472
t. frustrated beginner

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847477

t. troll

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847464
You mean studying kanji for only meaning worked for you, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847492
Yeah, I did RTK volume 1.

[Anonymous No.]

just hang out with japanese for a while and youll figure it out just take it mypace and dont sweat it dudes

というわけで考え方でどうとでもなるさ大爆笑

[Anonymous No.]

このお金はもしものときの備えです。

= This money is for if time of preparation???

How do you translate this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847513
Google もしものとき

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847513

>This money is for when something happens.

Is how I would translate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847528
No one asked for an ESLs opinion anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847522
>>16847528

so is moshimo no toki like a phrase "if there are bad times" or something?
I can't find it on jisho and my japanese isn't good enough to comprehend those google results...

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847548
as for もしも it is a とき of

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847564
oh you mean とき is used as a particle there?

I guess that makes sense. so moshimo toki is simply a stronger form of toki then

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847599
>>16847564
no wait it doesn't

i still don't get it

I'm confused by the second の

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847548
It literally means "if" time, but implies "if something unexpected happens" time. いざという時 is a similar phrase: time in which you say "Now!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847599
いやタイラーキムの真似をしてた

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847543

He did though, and I'm just trying to help. What's the point of your reply?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847629
ah I see. thanks!

>>16847641
sorry

>>16847688
1. I appreciate your help
2. who's saying I'm a he and not a qt esl anime girl from nihonkuni

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847122
でも、どうして「法被になる」？

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847732
while the explanations for もしものとき you got arent wrong albeit awkward do keep in mind theres different nuances to it depending on how it is used so dont tunnel vision on the one idea or english phrasing -- pretend its like pokeman go and collect them all when you find them out there in the wilds my dude

[Anonymous No.]

What is this

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847903
2 extremely fucking pixelated kanji that are impossible to decipher without at least a hint of context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847903
Maybe 証拠...?

[Anonymous No.]

Any good audio dictionaries out there? Something as basic as the voice(pref. female) telling a word, translating it and then giving an example sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847903
another dumb post in a thread full of dumb posts

alternatively its a image the size of my wang

[Anonymous No.]

>>16845990
Around 1000 and 1600, respectively.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847946
Yup, that's it. Thanks

>>16847945
>>16848046
No one forces you to respond if you don't know Japanese, you know. Clearly it's not "impossible" if the other anon figured it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848060

I also figured out it was 証拠 just from that but context always helps. Idk why people don't post the whole screenshot and highlight/circle the part that isn't understood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848060
why do you snip single word instead of entire line in tiny image unless youre trying to fuck with people

how do you even know if thats it just because someone said it back to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848052
So there are 600 Kanji in 4000 entries? I haven't progressed too far yet but that seems strange.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848266
A lot of the remaining 4000 words are just derivations of previously learned words, example: 申し込む, 申し込み, 申込書. But yes, that aside, that's usually how it works, since most kanji are used in multiple words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848299
I wasn't thinking straight, I deleted my post right after because I already knew this.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>16847744
ハッピー（happy）になると

ハッピ(法被)姿になるが

にているっているってことなんだとおもうよ

さくらがまんかい。おはなみいこ

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone help me understand the difference between the て行く and て来る forms?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848375
well what do you think the difference is

cant identify your hangup unless you explain it

[Anonymous No.]

So how helpful is core when reading Mongolian cave drawings? I don't think I'll be reading about economics or commerce, but somehow those made it into the first 1000 words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848403
I don't see the difference, that's my problem. They both sound to me like "started [verb]ing and will continue into the future".

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848419
ていく starts in the present and continues into the future
てくる starts in the past and continues into the present

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848375
Look up the words 持っていく and 持ってくる in a dictionary and see if that helps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848415
Your goal should be a solid grasp on the language so you can enjoy a variety of Japanese material in which case you should at least be able to understand those words. If your goal is merely to play h-games you can just mine those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848375
http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/676/difference-between-%E3%81%A6%E3%81%84%E3%81%8F-and-%E3%81%A6%E3%81%8F%E3%82%8B

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848425
>>16848426
Thank you, I understand it now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848437
No you don't lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848425
Does genki even cover this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848449
In the secret chapter

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848427
Nah that is my goal and I don't really have any issue learning the words. I just think it's kind of funny the order that the words are presented in Core. It seems like it would make more sense to present words that would get you reading faster, earlier in Core 6k

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848485
It does if what you're reading is newspapers. A core-like deck built on a corpus of eroge has yet seen the light of day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848449
Tae Kim glosses over it and the DoJG explains it more in depth
>>16848440
Care to explain? Or did you just say that to be a smartass?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848415
>>16848485
The Core deck is compiled from newspapers, that's why it has a bunch of business/economics words. However, needless to say, you'll see those outside of newspapers as well, just like you might encounter medical terminology in, say, a murder mystery VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848494
I doubt any foreign language learner's goal is reading the newspaper. Its not exactly compelling content. I have no intention of reading or playing eroge though so that joke is wasted on me

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848498
>Care to explain?
I can't

Not solely

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848505
You have a very poor imagination. I'm sure there's plenty of foreign language learners who are interested in the perspective of foreign countries on world events, foreign political trends and attitudes, and just general news that doesn't make global headlines. In fact it's probably consumers of foreign fiction who are in the relative minority, Japanese learners excepted of course.

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine that you are a native English speaker in Japan. Do you pronounce English loanwords as the Japanese do or as they're actually pronounced, in English?

Do you go out to eat at the レストランor the restaurant?

[Anonymous No.]

最初と何も変わらず何も得られずに時間だけが流れていく爆笑

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848538
レストラン if you're speaking Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848538
if you can pull off saying english word in non jp diction while talking you should just do that to show how sick and dope you are at enunciating to impress your yellow friends

you can always say restoran later if they dont understand and then youll be that cool gaijin who does the english trick for all his friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848505
I'm interested in newspapers. Newspapers and baseball.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848538
It's not like when a Japanese person says レストラン they're doing their best to say "restaurant" but failing.
It's a Japanese word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848375
Ignorant noob here, but it looks like the difference between coming and going?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848533
When in Rome, do as the romans do

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848538
When in Rome, do as the romans do

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848538
if you say "/ˈɹɛs.t.ɹənt/に行こう！"
Nobody is gonna get what you're trying to say, and you'll end up eating all alone.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else practically become addicted to learning Japanese?
I have been studying for 3 months now and it is literally all I do every day. I learn new Kanji, I learn new words, go through Tae Kim while learning all the vocabulary listed and I feel like I am making huge progress and that my vocabulary and understanding is expanding tremendously every day but I practically haven't gone out once in the meantime and I am not studying for my exams which is going to be a real problem really soon. Anyone share this feeling?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848606
You should study for your exams, anon. Japanese won't run away from you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848606
Yeah, luckily I'm a NEET so I don't have to worry about other stuff. But make sure you're also putting that stuff into practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848606
I enjoy learning Japanese quite a lot too, but I've had to make some concessions.
My anki chart has some pretty wide gaps on exam months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848533
It's a hyperbole.
In any case I could google a list of reasons why people learn foreign languages but that wasn't the point of my comments to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

If you can't read this you are shit at Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

山田今日お皿割ってしまって
山田すごく
悪い子です

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848659
Good job, what about this? This one actually took me a minute to get.

[Anonymous No.]

ならきつく仕付けてやるよ

[Anonymous No.]

わかりやすい日本語ラップcheck it out超フレッシュ

赤ちゃんlevelプロlevelどうでもいい

無理せず気楽に生きようぜ

youtu.be/CGMKzRMDebo#t=30

[Anonymous No.]

>>16841145
Is there an Anki deck of https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848748
Yes. https://dojgdeck.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848748
http://dojgdeck.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848748
https://djtguide.neocities.org/
>DoJG deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848750
>>16848751
>>16848753

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

I think it would serve DJT better if we start reporting everyone who replies "read more" to people's inquiries. It doesn't help anyone and the person/people who does it pretend that it's real advice when they're simply being smug and arrogant towards beginners. It would also help filter a great deal of autism that goes on around here and possibly get the culprit/culprit eventually banned for good.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know of a web based epub reader that I can use rikaisama on? I'm using the "epubreader" plugin for firefox atm, and I can kind of use rikaisama on it, but the popup doesn't show. It just autoselects the word, then I have to copy it to jisho, which works fine, but it's a pain having to switch tabs all the time.

>>16848803
I just started reading after doing 1200 words in core2k/6k, and immediately discovered how I had been wasting all my time. Beginners should do tae kim (at least the basic grammar part), then start reading ASAP and to the rest of tae kim and maybe core2k on the side, but prioritize reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848811
>and to the rest
do*

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848803
Pretty much every "question" that gets that answer was really, really dumb in the first place. You probably made such a dumb question and are triggered about it now.

Reading can never be stressed enough, point in case: this thread, with posts like >>16847472. People who ankidrone for months/years simple are not capable of asking good questions (or learning Japanese for that matter).

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848811
Yes, but this shouldn't be a rely to someone who asks a specific question. Yet that's what is replied every time, not even supposing that maybe the person asking the question already is reading more. It belittles the people who have beginner-intermediate questions. Either put "read more" in the guide or in the OP and it would serve people much better to have actual help for their questions.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I a drone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848827
>171.7 minutes/day
If you spend thrice that time reading, no. Otherwise, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

わたしゲイですか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848819
see >>16848818
>Pretty much every "question" that gets that answer was really, really dumb in the first place.
If you ask a stupid question, you should expect a stupid answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848830
ゲイです。

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848819
i mean you can just go a step further and say destroy this thread because its just a google search result repository and kanji study method argument flame fest

i mean read the convo that starts here and notice how it gets zero resolution and everyone gets defeated by literally hiragana lol >>16842304

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848832
Funny that your smug and annoying arrogance doesn't get deleted even though it's impertinent, yet constructive criticism that many people agree with gets instantly deleted by mods because you decide to report it. It really destroys the possibily for balanced conversations when some idiot starts gatekeeping of a general as if he was the leader of his own secret club.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848862
its not worth it dude just chill out ill paint the picture clear for you: no one will help you learn japanese here and the absolute best you can do is take whatever objective information (important) is in the resources or whatever and just go read more and then find japanese people to hang out with on the net

i know exactly what youre talking about though but youre dealing with a dude whos brain damaged esl and lives in the southern hemisphere

cheers

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848829
I think at the stage I am at, I am learning more with what I'm doing than I would with reading. I simply haven't acquired all the tools yet that I would need to make reading valuable time-efficient language input.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848862
>balanced conversations
>on 4chan
stop injecting marijuanas, is not gud for u m8. even 1 marijuanas is kill. Be the strong, say to no. Marijuanas, not even onece.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848852
There is no "resolution" because there isn't even a question in the first place. He already had the answer from the very start in the screenshot he posted himself and again in another reply telling him to not translate/read translations because it's a flawed method of learning. There isn't anything else to add.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848881
Yes but he's one guy and we're many, why can't we just get this guy to fuck off and have a better thread for it? It's pretty ridiculous that half the fucking posts on here get deleted but all his stupid arrogant shit gets left alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848888
but you agree with the other part of my post right

>>16848891
hes the reason theres even a thread in jp so take that as you will

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848900
How is he the sole reason there's a thread here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848903
dont ask me why they eventually caved and let them have a shitshow thread series here

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848908
prob because they liked the idea of a thread for ppl to learn the language, and now they don't want to seem like cunts by throwing us out.

[Anonymous No.]

How can there be so much drama and spite on an anonymous imageboard thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848908
Is it possible that he's a mod posting as a regular anon? It would explain why only he decides what gets promptly deleted while all his shitposts remain intact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848913
because it's filled with autistic NEETs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848913
Because one guy is gatekeeping this thread to hell and it restricts conversation, changing what DJT used to be when it was on /a/. People who are longtime DJT browsers remember getting more leeway with what they could post without being deleted, temp banned or get smugly rebutted by "read more" replies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848925
I too would like this place to be more casual, it's a slow board and a relatively slow thread so I don't see why we can't take it easy and have some fun. I feel there really was no reason to delete the manga screenshots earlier for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848938
what about 8ch /a/? that board is really slow though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848938
Either we talk about it here and resolve it before we all get deleted, or we take it to the mods on /qa/ and ask them to do something about this guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848925
>gatekeeping
Is this the new meme word? You could always just read more instead of shitposting here all day, would solve many of your apparent troubles. This isn't your chat room.

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good pace for learning hiragana/kanji? I just started and I feel slow right now so I'm wondering how long someone would take generally, and how much time do you spend on learning per day?

Additionally, does anyone have good apps for smartphone? I took a quick look but didn't see anything great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848915
the same thought crossed my mind before but it doesnt make a difference because its not like theres tons of people making great posts and hes deleting them all so who cares

also i mean look at this shit >>16848948

dude theres a overwhelming and crushing amount of babys first nihongo shit just get fuckin started

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848954
I am getting started, but am also curious. Calm down fampai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848947
What the fuck is it if it's not a place to chat? It certainly is more a chatroom than a place for aspies to manifest your power trip because of your anger towards the real world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848948
>good apps for smartphone?
ankidroid. Get an account on ankiweb cloud thing to sync with anki on your computer.

To learn, read Tae Kim grammar guide, and start mining and reading real japanese content like books and games ASAP, don't listen to the faggots telling you to spend months on learning what essentially amounts to random words from some glorified shared anki deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848883
Sure. But make sure you're reading whenever you actually can, not when you think you can. You probably won't think you can read till it's been a while since it started being a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848883
Well I suggested reading a lot to make retention of vocabulary better. Cram mode shouldn't be something to be doing often. Of course, I don't know what deck you have in that picture, and I am saying what I would be doing, so chances are it will not be what you're most comfortable with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848954
It's a learning thread. If you want to talk to intermediate or advanced people only, it's on you to go to the japanese thread on /int/ or some other website with real japs. Shitting on beginners here is like going in high school classes as a university student and smugly shitting on people asking questions. It's competely retarded and this wasn't how DJT used to operate, to the benefit of many people who are still here and who wish for this place to be as open as it used to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848954
this kind of elitism is cancer. pls kys fag. It's completely understandable for newbies to be confused and bewildered, but as long as they have resolve, a quick pointer in the right direction is enough help for them. If they start asking for spoonfeeding though, they deserve the most severe kind of ridicule.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone want to write the last four lessons for my grammar guide so that I can't act like I did it all and rescind my promise to work on it strictly anonymously?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848883
>I am learning more with what I'm doing than I would with reading.
You are wrong. You should be focusing on making the mining process as streamlined as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848948
>What's a good pace for learning hiragana/kanji?
Make it an exercise to rewrite everything you see in romaji as hiragana. You can also try testing yourself with websites such as http://hiragana.training/ and http://katakana.training/ . If you are really desperate, then you can cram all of hiragana in a night with flashcards, but I never learned hiragana that way so I can not comment on that. I spent about three days or so learning hiragana with what I typed in this post.

>>16848991
For lesson 53, make a mention that ならない is slightly stronger than いけない. It may also be better to rewrite the lesson title as "expressing prohibition."

[Anonymous No.]

So how many new words a day does /djt/ do and what is your retention rate?

Between my mining and core2k/6k decks I do 20 new words a day and fill up 2 to 2 and a half pages of college ruled notebook paper with kanji . It takes me about 2 hours but my retention is really good, today I only had one relearn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849010
You should not be doing isolated study like this for more than 30 mins a day. Read more instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849014

I tried that, it didn't really work, fampai. In 30 minutes I can only learn like 5-10 new words a day and my retention was terrible. I would mine words so much faster than I'd get through them in Anki that by the time I'd gotten to the word I'd have forgotten where it even came from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848999
>>16849014
It's hilarious how it seems many want to paint reading as the magic trick for all intents and purposes. Maybe some people want to learn how to write (how do you learn that by reading?), maybe some people want to review basic grammar rules before reading, some things are better learned, not by reading, but by reading an explanation on how something is used. The endless "read more" droning is getting really stale, I mean the message is clear. Might as well close the thread and put a big "Read more" sign at it's place because why would anyone really post here if they could just read more.
Now, I do know know how valuable reading is and that it greatly helps solidifying what you learned but we should stop pretending it's the perfect advice you can just throw at anyone. There are many things that have to be done before reading is a time-efficient exercise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849024
>I would mine words so much faster than I'd get through them in Anki that by the time I'd gotten to the word I'd have forgotten where it even came from
There is absolutely no problem with having an unseen card backlog or not knowing where something is from. You're just making it a problem in your head for some reason.
10 new cards isn't bad either, that coupled with reading would still have you learn more than that other method you had going there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849027
It really is the worst meme, and makes this learning thread useless because the answer to every question is "read more". It helps no one and shits up this thread. But like every time it gets brought up, the autist will get out posts deleted and keep autistically ruling this thread with an iron fist with the help of the mods. I just want old DJT to come back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849010
20 new cards a day, from mining only. I used to write about half an a4 page's worth of kanji scribbles and furigana at the same time, in those days it would take me just over an hour. Nowadays though I'm generally keen to get my reps over with and start reading, so I only write down things that need special attention like maybe a particularly generic looking kanji or one of the longer kunyomi readings. In this way I tend to take about 45 minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849027
>review basic grammar rules before reading
you mean on the side? reading about grammar rules, then not encountering them in the wild, will end up in you forgetting them.

>done before reading is a time-efficient exercise.
prove it fgt. I wasted a shitload of time doing 1200 core words, and it didn't help for shit. Would have been way better off mining from the start.

>Maybe some people want to learn how to write (how do you learn that by reading?)
that's just common sense isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849040

There is a problem with having an unseen card backlog without knowing where it came from.

If I find a new word in context, look it up, figure out what the sentence is saying, maybe write it down a couple of times, enter it into anki and then have it spit back out at me the same day or the next day then my retention will be better. I'll be able to think, 'ah, yes, I saw 例える in that monogatari doujin where araragi compares hanekawa's body to senjyougaharas'. I didn't make that example up, by the way.

If I do all that same stuff and have the word come at me in anki three weeks later I'll have lost all memory of it and be back from square one as if the mining had never happened, I might as well be using a premade deck at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>in uni
>studying lit in english and german
>planning on masters and phd in germany
>really want to live in Japan and analyze japanese literature

If I start studying Japanese casually, what kind of proficiency can I expect in 5-7 years? I can take some classes, but need to focus on german for a few years

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849058

Nice, that seems like pretty good speed. I think part of my problem is that I sometimes space out a little bit and write a kanji I already know many times or make a game out of trying to get my writing speed faster without compromising penmanship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849091
Who are you quoting? Read more!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849082
>If I do all that same stuff and have the word come at me in anki three weeks later I'll have lost all memory of it and be back from square one as if the mining had never happened, I might as well be using a premade deck at that point.
The likelihood of encountering a word you mined is still higher of the one of a premade deck. It doesn't really matter whether you have memory of it or not (though I still think your example is very flawed either way - thanks to Rikaisama also autoimporting the sentences with the vocab in it it's easy to figure out where stuff comes from even a month later).

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849091
If you study casually for 5-7 years you will have basic literacy, as long as you study the right things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849091
move to japan and actively try to learn the language and you should be able to do it pretty fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849103

He just said he is going to do his masters and phd in germany

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849063
>reading about grammar rules, then not encountering them in the wild, will end up in you forgetting them.
That is why people, in various subjects, do a magical thing called reviewing. Of course you should not be doing stupid things like reading DOAJG cover-to-cover when all you are reading or watching are SoLs.

>I wasted a shitload of time doing 1200 core words, and it didn't help for shit. Would have been way better off mining from the start.
I went through Core 2k and found a lot of words from it being used practically everywhere--in websites, mangas, anime, etc. The issue with Core is that it's boring and does not necessarily prepare you for whatever you want to read, whereas mining does the opposite: it prepares you to understand that new word later on in whatever you're reading, and you actually enjoy doing it, unlike Core. I do admit I wish I started mining far earlier, because each word anyone mines is usually beyond the scope of Core.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849024
>I would mine words so much faster than I'd get through them in Anki that by the time I'd gotten to the word I'd have forgotten where it even came from.

Make sure you're mining the word with the sentence it came in on the back of the card, it's good to focus on the actual usage that you encountered rather than some vague spectrum of potential uses that you haven't seen yet.
As far as mining is concerned though, a steadily increasing backlog is fine, in fact you may find it essential later when your vocabulary increases and you start to find it difficult to mine enough cards in a day to fill your quota. If you set anki to "show new cards in random order", it actually tends to show you the more recently added cards first for some reason, so the words that you introduce will still have that freshness of context that makes them easier to remember.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849096
:/
>>16849100
alright, okay. I've read the guide, and it seems pretty straight-forward

>>16849103
well, I would, but can't make it there for a minute

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849108
well fuck me I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849112

Thanks, wasn't aware of that option

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848991
残りはトイレットペーパーに書いてもらえるかな

このスレがどうにもこうにもならないような状態に陥ってしまった時

トイレをフラッシュするしかない仕方ない

うんこがすぐ消えていく

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849063
The are decks to review grammar rules. Interrupting your reading flow to look up a grammar rule every time you don't understand something is a frustrating exercise. You will also be on your own in actually understanding the sentences. There are decks for Tae Kim or DoJG which you can use. Tae Kim's basic grammar section alone has 150 sentences each entailing the grammar principles of the previous lessons. If you can test yourself on all these sentences (and move on to do the same on all of Tae Kim's grammar) you can apply the principles you learned, which you now have a solid grasp on, on all Japanese you encounter. It certainly is a more efficient and less frustrating way to internalize grammar than endless flapping around in a grammar guide to understand each individual sentence. I think the best way to proceed is to first complete Tae Kim and understand everything and if something is unclear after that (a lot still will be) you can consult the DoJG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849152
I'll try that out. I'm finding myself to have a lot of trouble understanding the grammatical sentence structure of my reading.
I still ascertain that the core deck is way overrated. As soon as you can start reading, one should stop adding new words to it, and focus on mining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848948
Don't know if it's available on android, but Japanese! and Kanji! By Howell Peebles are pretty good. Font is fucked up, and it has some shitty parts where it wants you to learn what is basically the same kanji in two different words with very similar meanings (e.g. The state of a door being open versus the act of opening a door), but it's pretty good letting you set your own pace and having reviews that test how well things are sticking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848991
Link to your guide?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849483

>>16812312

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849488
Thanks. Is there any way to force Firefox to render UTF8?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849493
view -> text encoding

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849494
Much appreciated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849493
In Notepad++, if you save it as UTF-8 BOM (or manually add the BOM character) it will render correctly by default.
https://a.safe.moe/wRp6g.txt

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849561
UTF-8 text should not need a BOM because it's endian-independent, and software that requires a BOM to accept text as UTF-8 is broken and should change. It's a valid workaround, but it's important to note that it shouldn't be necessary, or people (like software developers) will get the wrong idea.

[Anonymous No.]

I am having a hard time understanding how a degree of fluency cannot be achieved in a year. One can learn 10,000 words in a year, enough to understand 95-98% of words in a newspaper, close to 100% in daily conversation, and one should have a decent amount of grammar knowledge after 6-7 months of reading. Do people just skip a lot of studying or is grammar so fucking brutal that it takes thousands upon thousands of hours to understand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849570
You can become conversationally fluent in a year. However, you cannot become generally fluent in a year unless you're some kind of savant. There's simply too much ground to cover.

You can do so in around two years, but even that requires so much dedication that it's unrealistic. Three or more is a good bet for someone with enough free time that's doing the right things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849570
no they skip the meaningful fundamentals building and all types of effective practice to look at flash cards all day instead

concerted effort is the name of the game boys

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849570
I don't know dude, I think languages take a bit of time for the brain to process.
I spent entire days playing video games in english with a dictionary, and it still took me around three years to feel quite comfortable reading. Add to that another year or two of doing nothing but playing/watching competitive video games to be able to speak it alright.

It's not just about knowing all the words. You have to get a feel for which words feel natural to use in which context, and whether or not your sentences are awkward.

I'm no way near that degree of fluency in Japanese, but I assume it's mostly the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848494
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1434910726

[Anonymous No.]

>>16848494
There's one built on LNs.

>>16849723
Looks like it was released before the kuromoji text analyzer came out. The only good text analyzers before that were proprietary and hidden away in research institutions.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got the first two volumes of 終末なにしてますか？忙しいですか？救ってもらっていいですか？ The resources mega only has 3-5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849950
You can find both on nyaa, but there are only scans available.

[Anonymous No.]

After studying kanji separately in addition to the standard reading practice, my retention has increased dramatically.

This whole "Never study just kanji!" nonsense needs to stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849976
Don't question DJT's dogmas or you'll summon the sperg.

But yeah, you should do some RTK or equivalent if you ever want to crystallize your knowledge. Even if you leave it for later because you wanted to dive into reading from the get-go.

Noticing things like 愛 in pic related really helps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849976
Your time, not ours

[Anonymous No.]

guys when should I start reading? I know 520 kanji from RTK and have a basic sense of grammar, should I just dive right in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849976
I'm pretty sure it's actually "don't study kanji in isolation unless you already tried learning kanji purely from vocab and know you will benefit from it", but I'm glad you found a method that works for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849976
>This whole "Never study just kanji!" nonsense needs to stop.
I think your persecution complex needs to stop, anon. Nobody's out to get you, and "Never study just kanji!" isn't the general consensus here.

[Anonymous No.]

RTK is garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850021
If all you know is "kanji from RTK" and grammar, you're screwed. You need to be learning actual words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850021
Just try it now and see how it goes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850041
But kanji are words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850059
Kanji aren't words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850059
No, they aren't.

[Anonymous No.]

And this is why RTK is bad.

[Anonymous No.]

What is 中出し?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850073
the pleasure of being cummed inside

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850073
the pleasure of being cummed inside

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849953
To be fair, they're really high quality scans.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT ってどういう意味？

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850092
in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

found this website https://animelon.com/
its a free anime streaming site for learning japanese. all shows have english + romaji + japanese subtiles and other functions like looping, reduced playback speed and transcripts. thought id share it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850101
It's well known, and you can't rip the subs from there. I prefer kitsunekko and doing it without streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850101
They don't call it finding when you own the site

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850094
○○スレってことね

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850110
>kitsunekko
i tried that too at some point but it was a mess, some shows didnt have subs for all episodes and some subs were synches to tv rips or something, they were completely out of synch. and i also had to use a different media player because vlc doesnt diplay japanese text or something, its was a real hassle.

>>16850121
hurr durr

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846348
How many of these aren't in the cor? Is there a main folder link to download everything at once?

>>16846509
Generic carbon copies can be easily stated about the entire light novel industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850128
Fuck off, shill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850128
>vlc
well i dont have the problem of being retarded, so there is that
I can also easily resync subs and have no problem setting custom fonts for them
I don't need a very large catalogue in order to learn, so whatever is on kitsunekko is enough for me.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you do when you want to get back but the pile of reviews are scaring you?

I stopped doing Anki for about 2 weeks because of finals, but now it's over I'm having trouble picking up motivation again and it doesn't help that the cards are piling on top of each other every day.

Do you finish them in one sitting for do you work through them slowly? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850164
I would suggest disabling new cards and limiting your reviews.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850138
you mean you downloaded a show, downloaded the english and japanese subs from kitsunekko, which were all online and perfectly synched to the videos files you downloaded (and im not talking about desynch as in the subs are not aligned right but more that they include commercials and different openings and such makes it impossible to synch them with the video). then you also knew exactly what video player to use and how to configurate it to display japense text and how to display multiple subtitles at once? i assume you also didnt have to rename 50 subtitle files because your video player instantly imported them without problems. pausing the video and copying the text out of the subtitle file for quickly looking up words was also no problem, i mean you have to be retarded to not know how that works.

And all that probably in less than an hour without googling once! you must be really smart and manage your time well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850203
i did it in five minutes and didn't have to do half the shit you just described

[Anonymous No.]

彼は私達を分けません！

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850203
I use agth to hook mpc, and only use jap subs, as thats the language this thread is about.
I already have many, many shows that kitsunekko has subs for, since I'm not a normalfag that streams tv broadcast editions in bitstarved quality to save bandwidth costs.
It also takes a monumental 5 mins to resync an entire cour worth using subtitle edit.
But you just relax and enjoy your hair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850203
Maybe if you weren't underage you might have actually downloaded anime and had to deal with a proper video player and sub files instead of being a streaming pleb who probably has his parents paying for the subscription

>>16850234
/pol/に帰れ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850214
wow, 5 minutes is pretty quick when doing it for the first time, im impressed. So how did you know what video player to use that displays japanese without any configuration and that also has the option to display 2 seperate subtitle track at once? And how did you download an entire shoe in 5 minutes, i assume you didnt just rewatch something you already had because why would you, thats boring.

>>16850238
so youre saying things are easy when you know everything already and youre not running into unexpected problems? you know i never said i didnt get it to work, just that it was a real hassle and in this case this website makes it so much more convenient. its not even about streaming like a pleb, youre not watching this for enjoyment alone, its the tools this website provides without any kind of configuration needed that makes it appealing. in this case its completely irrelevant that youre streaming the content, who the hell cares.

>>16850271
thats a lot of assumptions for someone who tries to defend his superior skills of how to watch cartoons aimed at underage children the right way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850318
i have anime i want to watch configured to autodownload on my NAS
i already use a video player that displays japanese subs correctly
i don't need to watch two subtitle tracks at once but i can switch with the press of a single key

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850318
Reported for derailing the thread and shilling. Don't come here again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850318
>how to watch cartoons aimed at underage children the right way.
Interestingly you come to this site and expect us to do things your way, and because you don't take it seriously we shouldn't either.
Solid logic, all round.

[Anonymous No.]

Those of you who watched a certain show last season are probably familiar with ぼくのフレンド (and if you're not, go listen to it right now), whose final lines run like this:

綺麗なものを探しに行こう
美味しいものもたくさん食べよう
つまりはこれからもどうかよろしくね

Does anyone here want to give a crack at explaining the full nuance of the exact phrase「これからもどうかよろしくね」here? I've rad read various things people have written on Chiebukuro about the use of これから, どうか vs どうぞ, and ね with よろしく, all of which shade the phrase with different nuances (most of which unfortunately seem to have been written with use in business as a stock phrase in mind), but as far as I can tell I'm looking at it like this:

"Please continue, despite everything, to be my friend."
"Please somehow find a way to continue being my friend in the future."

Any thoughts? Or is this just one of those things that's a huge waste of time because trying to translate culturally embedded phrases is a shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850347
>つまりはこれからもどうかよろしくね
In short, also after this please よろしくね

[Anonymous No.]

Sakubi - Yesterday's Grammar Guide editing phase.txt

https://a.safe.moe/1AtgW.txt

Every lesson has been plotted. So far, the guide has only been edited circumstantially, so it's definitely still got some errors in it. Please help me find them.

The whole guide is written with the assumption that the reader isn't trying to master the grammar that the guide covers, but that the reader needs to know enough about what it covers that they can work out what it means when they run into it. This means that the explanations have to walk a fine line between being too long to be easily understood and too short to be accurate. If anyone has a problem with how a piece of grammar is covered in this guide, please post about it so that I can edit it and make it more appropriate.

This covers 54 main lessons, several intermissions, and four optional lessons, as well as out-of-beat sections telling the reader how to learn japanese. The entire guide is basic grammar, except for some slightly common literary stuff that's occasionally considered intermediate or advanced grammar.

The guide is divided into an "absolute beginner" section and an "absolute territory" section. The first section covers the structure of simple sentences and strings of verbs, and the second section introduces the "grammatical vocabulary" (auxiliaries, non-case particles, patterns, etc) necessary to understand normal japanese speech.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850338
all i said was
>i just found this, its pretty convenient, just wanted to share, i tried it this other way but i still think this is a good way of learning if you dont want to deal with all kinds of things that takes a lot of time
and in return i get
>youre just too retarded, youre underage, you probably stream like an idiot, i did all this in 5 minutes, fucking shill fuck off, i bet you live with your parents, shut up and look at my overly complicated setup that i have build with my superior skills you idiot
its like people only come here to show off

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850360
Anything to pay attention here regarding どうか vs どうぞ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850362
>its like people only come here to show off
You're not thinking anonymously yet, thats pretty clear. None of us has anything to gain, and your attachment to your submission is too closely tied to your identity, of which there is none.
Your contributions are met with the criticize by the merits of which they come, not who delivers them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850370
The latter has connotations that doing 'x' request would be in the listeners benefit, as for the former, I dont know of any particular nuance.
It sounds stiffer and more polite though

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850375
>You're not thinking anonymously yet
ive been on this website for almost 10 years
>None of us has anything to gain
clearly you dont understand anything about this place

just another post full of assumption and trying to sound smart instead of actually understanding the arguments that are presented, goodbye faggot. this is why we cant have nice things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850361
>Don't think. Feel. Then think about what you're feeling. Once you figure out "Huh, 食べてきました seems to be used in <situation X> a lot", that's the time to break it down and try to see what individual parts contribute to that meaning. If you start with the individual parts, you won't realize the association between a particular verb form and particular situations.

Nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850361
under about this guide you misspelled grammar as grammer

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850403
Thanks, my font was really small when I wrote that part so I didn't notice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850370
>どうかお願いします
>どうぞお願いします
私が感じた違いは
「どうか」は頼む相手にも問題を解決できるかどうか不明な場合。
神に願うような場面。切実な場面。

「どうぞ」は相手の気分次第で問題を解決できると確信している場合。

例：
どうかこの子を助けてください先生（医師）！
どうぞこれ（お金）でこの子を入学させてください。

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850415
That sounds like it's true in a lot of cases. I guess the pleading aspect of どうか fits it pretty well whether you're looking to god or just anyone who might be able to do something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850173
I see, I guess I'll limit my reviews to what I can only manage. Hopefully I'll be back on track in the next few days. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850528
あいてが神格のばあいは

「どうか」をつかうよ

なんでかはわからないよ

[Anonymous No.]

how can I insert example sentences to Anki
I use rikisama addon, but I can't use epwing

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849976
Nobody said that it wouldn't. The question is, was it worth the time you invested?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850627
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2413435972

[Anonymous No.]

I noticed that I have a hard time remembering my mined words cause I forgot in what context they were used.

How much work is it to mine example sentences like these?
>>16830646
>>16830769
>>16830778

Can you set it up to be only one button press?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850746
My epwing2anki method involves this:
1. make a textfile list of words you want to mine (this can be through whatever means you want, I just copy paste)
2. run epwing2anki on the text file
3. disambiguate any words with more than one reading/meaning
4. open the import file
5. click import
Done cards are imported into anki. I think it's a lot easier than it seems

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850746
literally the post above yours

[Anonymous No.]

I love Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850770
英語が嫌いです

[Anonymous No.]

What is the basic minimum (kanji, grammar, etc) for reading basic texts?
I want to start reading real texts as soon as possible instead of only some exercises.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850415
オレは、それの違いを考えもしなかった。

Is there a difference?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850832
I read Zettai Reiiki with only like 1k words from anon5k.

Someone posted this a couple days ago, it's a text version of the first chapter.

https://pastebin.com/raw/Mebtn0Nz

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850832
Finish Taekim and go wild.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850840
Don't even bother finishing tae kim before you start probably

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850834
>オレはその違いに考えが及ばなかった

しぜんなのはこうだよ

てにをは、かなりきをつかってつけたよ

この文法はむずかしいとおもうけど

がんばって

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850837
>>16850840
I see, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850846
いや文法はあってる
ただ本当に言いたかったことはそうだと思う

[Anonymous No.]

What is the difference between 驕る and 奢る

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850850
1-2k words in core, first half of tae kim and you are good to go.
It'll be hard at first, but trust me even after 3-4k words you won't just magically understand everything, you need to get used to it slowly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850871
さいしょのほうはにちじょうでは

いっかしょでしかつかわないよ

>おごるへいけはひさしからず

この文だけだよ

[Anonymous No.]

I'm applying my non-existent skills to わたしが鳴こうホトトギス

Is that “Let me, the cuckoo, sing” or “Sing to me, cuckoo”?

https://vimeo.com/211169466

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850890
ホトトギスが鳴かないのなら、
（ホトトギスの代わりに）わたしが鳴こう

[Anonymous No.]

How does 伊勢弁 look like? Can someone write a few sentences with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850932
Sure.

さいしょのほうはにちじょうでは

いっかしょでしかつかわないよ

>おごるへいけはひさしからず

この文だけだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850941
I can't even discern the purpose of this troll.

[Anonymous No.]

If I don't want to get new cards for a while, do I simply set "new cards/day" to zero?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850951
Sorry, I don't know Japanese yet and that's the first thing that came up when I searched for it on google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850970
Probably shouldn't be offering advice then, eh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16841145
The azw3 files of 半分の月がのぼる空 in the CoR are defect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850981
I feel like such an idiot for not realizing this immediately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850902
So that's a reference to Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, and Ieyasu, and her own continuation of the line? I wouldn't guess it, even though I've recently read about them.

(If the cuckoo does not sing,) I will sing in cuckoo's stead.

Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

全て予定通りだ
Can anyone help me translate this sentence?
I don't study. Hope that answers that question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850991
その通り

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850961

No, that would set the new cards to increase infinitely and you'd end up with every single new card coming through in one big chunk when you check it the next day.

I did it and didn't know how to fix it, so ended up learning 6k cards in one sitting and sometimes when people talk to me in english, the corresponding kanji or vocab card from anki flies out of their mouth. Sometimes it comes out before they even say the word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851002
Fucking google it, you lazy piece of shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851017
So this is the true power of anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851017
The dreeeeam. Seriously though, I wish I had the retention/memory to just do cards all day. Get stuff done.

I have the drive and patience, but it just never works for me. After about an hour, I feel like my mind just phases through whatever I'm doing. Either that or I pick up on new shit and lose whatever I was working through when I started.

I think I might be defective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851034
What are you even trying to say? If you don't know the answer then don't reply.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851074
What are you even trying to say? If you're retarded then don't post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851087
Do you realize how stupid your entire post is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851087
You're being a detriment. Anon wanted some help with Japanese, in the Japanese thread. You aggressively tell him to google it.

Either stick around and learn/help, or leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851103
>>16851100
Translation requests go to /wsr/. And before you tell me that this isn't one, it might as well be since it's such a stupidly basic sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

So about that 伊勢弁...

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851108
With that sort of logic, we might as well put any and all questions in WSR. All I'm saying, is that this is what DJT is for. /INT/ has a Japanese general, but DJT is for learning.

Questions should be welcomed. Was it simple? Sure. But it's nothing worth flaming him over.

But maybe I'm just soft, man. I don't know. Either way, this is banter is getting way worse for the thread than his question ever was. I've said my peace, you've said yours. We can leave it at that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851117
The issue is that it's a translation request, not a question. Normal questions are perfectly fine, even if the best answer is sometimes just a wordy variation on "read more". Translation requests are never fine. Ever.

If someone doesn't understand something and wants help understanding it, it's not a translation request, they just have a problem and don't know what question to ask.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851108
But it isn't one. If you claim it's so easy, then you should be able to help me.
>>16851122
I don't understand all of it, which is why I wanted some help with my sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>普段のキムをキムたらしめている、旺盛なエネルギーは抜け落ちている、そんな風に思えた。
I don't get this part "普段のキムをキムたらしめている" what is that double name usage and which kanji/meaning is たらしめている

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851109
Have you tried searching YouTube? There are a surprising number of regional dialect videos there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851128
guessing:
普段のキムを（キムたら）しめている

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851126
The problem with spoonfeeding is that, if I give you a direct answer, you'll come back here to ask more stupid questions again. Since I'm nice, I'll give you a site that you can use when you come up with said stupid questions.
>http://jisho.org/
That said, don't come back here again until you learn basic grammar and vocabulary. Also, read the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851133
No. たらしめる is たらしめる

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850702
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2413435972

I did everything that written there but I don't get example sentences

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849010
How do I check my retention rate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851103

Do not pander the idiots.
Do not speak nicely to the idiots.
Do not look at the idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851159
then キムたらしめている is a verbal phrase and the meaning is "make kim be the normal kim" or vice versa

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851159
Is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851126
Well, in hindsight, you did say you don't study. And he has a point about the "No translation requests."

All-in-all. I actually agree with him. Just wasn't a fan of the way he initially went about it.

>>16851142
I almost like you now, anon. Almost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851142
>if I give you a direct answer, you'll come back here to ask more stupid questions again
No.
>don't come back here again until you learn basic grammar and vocabulary.
I don't even study though, I said that in my first post.

>>16851174
Why not? He can practice and I can get some help. We both end up in a better place than we initially were.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851164
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/613684242

[Anonymous No.]

LET'S LEARN 関西弁!

関西人Ａ
「なんや？」（なに見てんだ）
関西人Ｂ
「なんや」（なんだよ）　
関西人Ａ
「なんや？」（やるんか？）　
関西人Ｂ
「なんやとぉ！」（なんだと）　
関西人Ａ
「なんや！」（かかってこい！）　
関西人Ｂ
「なんやとはなんや？」（なんだとはなんだ）　
関西人Ａ
「なんや！」（やんのか？）　
関西人Ｂ
「なんや！」（やんのか？）　
関西の衆人
「なんやなんや？」（どうしたどうした？）　
関西の衆人
「なんやなんや？」（なんだなんだ？）　
関西の警官
「なんや？なんや？」（どうしたどうした？）
関西人Ａ
「なんや！」（うるさい）　
関西人Ｂ
「なんや！」（黙ってろ）
関西の警官
「なんやなんや」（落ち着いて落ち着いて）
関西の警官
「なんやったんや？」（なにがあったんですか？）

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851179
This thread is for learning japanese. If you're not here for learning japanese, fuck off. At this point, you're only derailing the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851184
なんや

[Anonymous No.]

>>16849976
Well if you are reading too, you're not just studying kanji. The issue is a lot of people fall in to this trap of learning the meaning of kanji and focusing on onyomi and kunyomi but never actually get in to grammar or reading material to see what words are actually common or how their form changes based on what is actually being said. When you've got to study vocabulary, grammar, reading, writing, listening, and speaking, focusing on just a subset of vocabulary or too specifically on one aspect of it isn't going to get you far in consuming anything.

The issue mostly comes up as a matter of the ever present "it's hard to understand grammar if you're focused on learning vocabulary" and "knowing grammar doesn't help if you don't know what those symbols are", so you have to play this balancing act of learning them both relative to each other so you start applying context to words as you learn them instead of only finding out after the fact that you memorized just a kanji that will usually have a kana extension that clears up whether it's a verb or a noun or whatever.

Thing is HOW to balance that is poorly defined, and it's not immediately obvious that you should memorize the vocabulary in tae Kim as you go because you think you're there for grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851204
memorizing the vocab from tae kim is actually a bad idea because the brain throws up a filter if you try learning information X from a source normally used for information Y

the tae kim vocabulary is so low volume that it probably doesn't matter but in general it's a better idea to mine vocabulary from literally anything, or find frequency lists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851197
せやな

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851183
Thanks. 89% is pretty good, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851162
change you decks title? restart anki?
worked for me breh

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851215
perfectly fine

the point where you have to worry is sub-60% true retention

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851168
>make kim be the normal kim
その通り。

あなたを優秀なアノンたらしめているのはその勉強熱心な姿勢だ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851213
わからへん

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851245
あはだらい

[Anonymous No.]

この会話があかんよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851265
あほやん

[Anonymous No.]

にほんごは

たのしいって

つたえたい

[Anonymous No.]

つたえたいたいことが

たくさん

ある

あるひ

あのんに

あえたら

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851211
That's why I think it's better to have the vocabulary down first, because it's hard to learn grammar when you're trying to figure out what the words even are to begin with. The issue is a lack of really good primers for either aspect.

For example, it's a lot easier to understand the difference between 冷たい and 冷える if you understand that there are い-adjectives and る-verbs, even if you don't know how to conjugate them yet. Similarly, it's much easier to grasp grammar if your brain isn't screaming just "COLD" every time you see 冷.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851372
>たくさん
クリームケーキ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851219

nope still don't work
oh well nvm
I will just have to force my brain to study the words alone

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851399
The real solution is don't use extensive vocabulary in your grammar guide,

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851211
>>16851429
There don't seem to be any uncommon words in Tae Kim so you will have to know them anyway. If you understand the vocabulary, you can apply it to the sample sentences provided and instantly see the rule explained used in real Japanese. You can also test yourself on the grammar with the various Anki grammar decks, which will actually help you internalize the grammar. I don't understand the people who say you should not learn Tae Kim's vocabulary. You'll learn it while mining then and it makes no difference where you learn it. Add to that the huge advantage you get in actually understanding all the grammar and the "don't learn Tae Kim vocabulary" seems like useless advice that merely serves to hamper beginners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851408
あたしはホットケーキがすき

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851511
I look at it as a weird step by step process that involves reading the article for the concepts, throwing the vocabulary into your study tool of choice, and then returning later for an in depth rereading and practice once you can read the examples easily.

I'd say it's useful to learn around the same time if just because you'll see an actual application of the word versus the contextless vocabulary grinding you otherwise get but can't really apply because you have to consume content to really get a feel for how often the word is used and how useful the darn thing actually is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16842305
>>16842322
So how long did it took you to get this far with that deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851399
Maybe learning the vocab beforehand will make you feel better at the time, but it's ultimately a futile gesture. When you come to actually start reading you will constantly be finding sentences that contain both unfamiliar grammar and unfamiliar vocab, so it's probably best to get used to it in a grammar guide where at least you know your mistakes will be corrected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851797
With that reasoning, why bother learning anything in advance at all because you'll still be looking shit up later?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851863
Why indeed.
Grammar is difficult to look up so that's a separate matter, but learning vocab in advance of anything is basically a vanity. In fact, a lot of words are very difficult to make sense of without an example sentence, so what did you avoid?
That's not to say that you can't use vocab lists and core decks now and then if you're feeling lazy, but there's no need to attach any particular preference to them.

[Anonymous No.]

I tried before but got no answer, so I'll try once more. Does anyone know of a good web based epub reader that I can use rikaisama on? None I've come across work, except for the "epubreader" plugin, but rikaisama doesn't work properly on it. If I can't find any available ones, I'll try making a very basic reader using EPUB.js by fururepress, which will be a pain, since I essentially have no experience with larger javascript projects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851069

Sounds like you got a bad case of being your average person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851984
>if you're feeling lazy
This thread really does foster the most cancerous elements which were apart of the threads on /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16852358
You could try this one, which uses epub.js.

http://geek1011.github.io/ePubViewer/

I don't know if it will work. Also, please share your epubs here if you bought them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16852662
thanks for the suggestion, I'm having an issue with it, namely that the text goes way off screen to the left and there is no way to scroll to it. I can maybe fix this with some greasemonkey scripting i think, hopefully. If I can fix it, this will be the best.
Also, I will when I start buying books myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851184
Thanks anon, I needed a good laugh before opening the Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to to skip a step in Anki when you are learning a card?
For example, my steps are 1, 10 and 30 minutes. If I complete step one and then wait for 40 or more minutes, Anki will still force me to go through step 2 and, after 30 minutes, step 3, which is annoying as I still remember the card after the minimum set time. So is there any way to skip the middle step?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16852987
You could just change the steps for new cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851184

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853015
>ててててててて
わからない

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853040

[Anonymous No.]

イケてないね

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850361
>私　わたし／わたくし me (normal, slightly formal when men use it)
I would just leave out わたくし. The description doesn't apply to it.

>ペン達 The pen and stuff
I think you should mention that 達 is normally for living things and this usage is not considered "correct".

>ジムはジムを食べた Jim, he ate the cat.
Typo.

>1: 食べ 2: 食べ 3: 食べ
Typo.

>早い起きなくて
早く起きなくて

>食べてはいい It's good to move.
Typo.

>学校で歩く
This is wrong because 歩く is a 移動動詞. Try 学校で働く instead.

>公園ではアイスが売れる
公園ではアイスが売られる

>彼が学生ですか。 Is he a student?
彼は学生ですか。

>休みたいという訳ので
休みたいという訳で

[Anonymous No.]

Idk what happened but pressing R with rikai no longer autoimports. Not even an error message, just nothing happens. Anyone have a guess why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850361
Stopped reading after the second one. Depressing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850361
nice rag

[Anonymous No.]

Any recommended vloggers? Wanted to expand my vocab a bit and improve my listening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853336
https://www.youtube.com/aichannel

[Anonymous No.]

あいがほしい

[Anonymous No.]

超強くなりたい！

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853439
Back to gai/a/ subhuman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853439
めをいじらないと

テレビにはでられないね

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853195
>This is wrong because 歩く is a 移動動詞.
Elaborate

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853506
For 移動動詞, で indicates the means (足で歩く) and を indicates the location (学校を歩く).

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853520
Had never noticed that it's in fact unnatural to use で to specify location. But yea, you seem to be correct.
http://lang-8.com/938361/journals/130630644567729191724353213365447756906

[Anonymous No.]

移動動詞ってはじめてきいたよ

そんなことばあるの？

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853602
日本語教師のことばだろう

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853602
基本概念は正しくてナードの単語気にしないでいい

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853652
つまんない曲。噪音

[Anonymous No.]

I'm an intermediate right now, and I feel like I need something manly to read. I'm a bit worried that my speech might become too feminine. I read all of よつばと！ and now I'm reading 黒.

Does anyone have recommendations for somewhat easy manga that I can pick up some masculine speech patterns from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853691
北斗の拳
ジョジョの奇妙な冒険

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853691
If you fuss about "easy manga" you aren't intermediate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853691
苺ましまろ

[Anonymous No.]

/int/ DJT is dead boys, we won!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853702
And how do you know it's dead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853702
No one cares, fuck off idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853703
The last 2 threads were pruned two days ago with less than 100 posts and that was 2-3 days ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853708
That was about half the community from /a/'s DJT, and a lot of those people contributed to the ressources we use in this thread. You show some goddamned respect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853678
そっか
あなたどんな音楽がすきですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853702
t. /int/ poster

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853733
Yes, I'm falseflagging from a place that no longer exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853702
and heres your prize >>16850361

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853694
Haven't looked into the 北斗の拳 manga, but a Japanese friend of mine told me ジョジョの奇妙な冒険 is really hard... Can't hurt to try, I suppose. Thank you very much for the recommendations.

>>16853695
I only say I'm intermediate because that's what I (narrowly) tested as on the J-Cat a couple weeks ago, with a score of 161. I just passed the 2000 mark in my core 2k/6k deck. Regardless, I don't think highly of my abilities myself, I'm just looking for something 男らしい to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853743
/int/ no longer exists?

thank god

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853751
>a Japanese friend of mine told me ジョジョの奇妙な冒険 is really hard...
I'm in the middle of the second arc and it's just your average shounen manga. You'll probably see many unknown words, but most of them have furigana so it's not really a big deal. I also would assume that the majority of martial arts/sports/delinquent-themed manga are also full of masculine speech patterns but I don't have any specific titles to recommend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853229
have you tried restarting the computer? (you'd be surprised how many people don't try this).

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853343
stop this pls

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853691
> I'm a bit worried that my speech might become too feminine.
don't worry, it'll stay just shit unless you talk for hours a day

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853691
why not just learn how to talk normal by utilizing normal people instead of manga 天才

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853761
Good to know, thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853787
Because there aren't many Japanese people where I live, and manga is available to fit into my schedule wherever I make time for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853787
is 2ch normal people

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853798
you have the entire internet at your greasy fingertips come on dude dont be a pussy

>>16853800
yea but only once youve convinced the lifeguard to let you swim

if you jump in too early you sink to the bottom and die

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853691
Isn't there already quite a lot of masculine speech in よつばと?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853840

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853040
>わからない
>filename
>not knowing this
o' shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853195
Thanks.

>>1: 食べ 2: 食べ 3: 食べ
>Typo.

I forgot to attach る to form 1, since I technically didn't use the stem for five-form verbs there but the terminal form instead, right?

>This is wrong because 歩く is a 移動動詞. Try 学校で働く instead.

I think I got this one before, guess I either forgot to fix it or had it in multiple places. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

Learning Japanese is depressing

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853908
yet if you read all that in englando, you dont give a single fuck
strange how the inquisitiveness reduces apathy and insensitivity

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853935
things are interesting when theyre new unlike most of the shit that gets posted in these threads

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853237
Don't see the problem with it up to that point. If you find a place where I accidentally used "literally" to mean "basically" though please let me know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853237
yeah the guide contains a bunch of these

>何 なに literally "what"
>誰 だれ literally "who"

etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853971
That is a representation of the literal meaning is it not?

[Anonymous No.]

I started reading Zettai Reiiki and I feel like I'm getting through it at a glacial pace. Should I take my time with it or focus on finishing it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854000
Do whatever's more fun to you. You'll learn the most if it's fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854000
You'll be really slow if you just started reading. No need to hurry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854000
Just read more, and only ask questions when you're advanced in japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854006
Nah, he can ask questions on the way there, they just have to be specific.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853965
>Don't see the problem with it
Exactly. The moment I noticed I was taking language advice from someone that unqualified, I dropped.
It's not like you didn't warn it 2000 before actually beginning with the lessons, but I thought I would need only a grain of salt, not a rock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854017
i'm pretty sure "literally" is part of the english language senpai

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854017
I agree with you, it really reads like a Tumbl blog, and someone who has such weak writing skills in english really shouldn't be doing anything related to linguistics, it's shameful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854006
could it be, is it salt that I'm sensing from this post?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854038
your writing is honestly a lot worse than what this guide looks like

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854038
literally imabi

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854038
It's a quick-start guide, not a doctoral thesis. A brief and reasonably casual style is entirely appropriate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854053
More than just appropriate, preferred.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854049
That's fine because I'm writing on 4chan, I don't need elegant prose in order to do so. That guide however purports to be linguistically pertinent yet reads like some genderqueer blog. I'm not the only one to have noticed, so you're on the wrong side on things mate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854060
Your grammar needs work. This post reads like it's supposed to be some kind of formal argument but it uses arbitrary grammatical constructions without any attention to the specific emphasis given.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854064
No, my post was quite fine, especially for 4chan banter. However a grammar guide shouldn't sound like some high school paper, even though it should be written in a clear and simple fashion. There's a difference between the two, and if you don't know it, then you must be one of those who write like a perpetual adolescent though your whole life. Don't worry, the world needs ditch diggers too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854081
>That's fine because I'm writing on 4chan

Ambiguous stress, recommend either:

>The reason that's fine is that ___
>That's fine, because ___

>That guide however purports to be linguistically pertinent
>purports
>pertinent

Kill these words and whoever taught you proper written english. "Purports" has been moribund for two literary generations, and "pertinent" is on the way out outside of Britain (apologies if you live there, in that case "pertinent" is fine and "purports" is merely on the way out).

>yet reads like some genderqueer blog
Arbitrary use of "yet" in place of alternative common conjunctions.

>I'm not the only one to have noticed
Adverbial infinitives are "purple". Avoid outside of very formal writing.

>so you're on the wrong side on things mate.

Add comma before "mate".

If you want some books to read to learn the intricacies of the stress and emphasis of the written English language, I highly recommend Lord of Light and Robots And Empire. They're both famous books. I'm sure you heard of them before.

[Anonymous No.]

>/djt/ - The daily English grammar thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854081
If this guide is aimed at people on 4chan, and I assume it is, then anything that would be readable on 4chan is fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854112
Not the person I'm responding to, but now that I think about it, this guide feels the same way as some of the better undergraduate papers I've read. That's not necessarily a good or bad thing, but it's definitely written with a higher skill level than a highschool student.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854081
Actual author here. I know the tone is weird for something that references linguistics frequently, but I think it's justified. I'm not writing for academics, I'm trying to write for normal people that read a lot.

>This guide was composed to make it theoretically possible to read it one day with an ordinary untrained highschool reading level.

[Anonymous No.]

信言不美、美言不信。善者不辯、辯者不善。知者不博、博者不知。聖人不積、既以爲人己愈有、既以與人己愈多。天之道、利而不害。聖人之道、爲而不爭。

信言は美ならず、美言は信ならず。善なる者は弁ぜず、弁ずる者は善ならず。知る者は博からず、博き者は知らず。聖人は積まず、既くもって人のためにしておのれいよいよ有し、既くもって人に与えておのれいよいよ多し。天の道は、利して害せず。聖人の道は、なして争わず。

「真実の言葉は美しくなく、美しい言葉は真実でない。 　善き人はうまく話せず、うまく話す人は善き人でない。 　本当を知る人はひけらかさず、ひけらかす人は知っていない。 　『聖人』は何も蓄えず、全ての力を人のために出し、かえって豊かになる。 　『天の道』は万物に利益を与えて、害を与えることはない。　 　『聖人の道』は何をするにも人と争う事がない」。

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854243
אמן

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854112
>If this guide is aimed at people on 4chan, and I assume it is, then literally anything that would be readable on 4chan is fine.

>>16854053
>It's literally a quick-start guide, not a doctoral thesis. A brief and reasonably casual style is literally appropriate.

>>16854049
>your writing is literally a lot worse than what this guide looks like

This is literally what you are defending.

Also, what the fuck do you, the last guy, know about writing at all? Ever heard of a magic key called Shift? Even dumb phoneposters can use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854260
It's funny because putting "literally" into those quotes makes them less ambiguous and easier to interpret correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854260
It is worth mentioning DJT is always shitting on anyone who learns through anime because it's not "real Japanese", but their very own language seems to have been acquired from girls in Social Media.

>>16854267
Yeah, it literally does, anon, it literally does.

[Anonymous No.]

>tired after just reading and doing anki for a long time
>try watching Little Witch Academia, since I haven't touched it since ep. 4
>I completely suck at listening
What is the proper method for practicing listening, or at least to one that you guys find to work best? For example, with reading I follow these guidelines:
>If I don't understand certain grammar point, look it up.
>If I don't understand something while knowing all the grammar points, re-read it at least 5+ times, if I fail to understand it then skip it, I already have the general nuance anyways
>Read most text at a medium speed.
>Read quickly expressions that are already drilled in my head from so much exposure.

[Anonymous No.]

https://paste.safe.moe/emegatoyen.txt

Diff on Sakubi feedback so far.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you convey the notion of speaking the kanji form of a word instead of the kana version?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854290
>-Imabi is not good at writing comprehensible proper english. Some of his explanations contain grammatical mistakes or ambiguities that render his writing unintelligible, and some of them are either too detailed or too simple to get the point across in a comprehensible way. He intends to rewrite most of Imabi, but he's in a hard place and it might take a long time for it to happen.

>+Imabi wasn't at writing comprehensible proper english when making most of his guide. He intends to rewrite most of it, but he's in a hard place and it might take a long time for it to happen. I fully respect him as a guide developer, I just can't recommend his work in its current state because it's hard for normal people to use (that's how it goes) and proprietary (so people can't fix it). In fact, this guide exists because I'm frustrated that I can't recommend Imabi. That's why the style of the name is the same, it's a homage.

You missed the "good". And you're honestly being too soft on it now, change it back.

[Anonymous No.]

Hello internet peoples :p
I'm looking for the Japanese equivalent of "Xe" and "Xir"
Thanks in advanced

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854304
There isn't one, they don't use gender pronouns

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853439
ANTHONY WEINER-SENPAI

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854298
>Imabi's guide is written in dense academic english and is thus unnecessarily hard to read and edit. Note that I don't mean that the general difficulty level of Imabi is high, but instead that readability wasn't its goal when it was written. It has enough writing problems that people at DJT only recommend it for its advanced parts, which have information hard to find in free resources.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853439
This looks like a nice show to watch casually and absorb what I can. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16846348
If you get anything in physical print, how do you go about scanning it? I've been trying to find the best method that produces the best results but I haven't been overly successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854434
Scan at 300dpi or higher with black construction paper behind the page you're currently scanning. You can get any paperback to bend far enough for a close-to-spine scan even on a scanner that doesn't have overhang, but it'll damage the spine.

[Anonymous No.]

Where are these from and are they useful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854442
They're Chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854440
Thanks, I'll have to try that

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853691
It's really easy to sound manly once you're familiar with the language. Just add ぞ to everything, always shift あい・ああ to ええ (for example やりてえ), don't ever use keigo (which is ONLY for bitch pussies), and you should be good. Sprinkle in some ぜs and that's about it, you sound like a fucking baller dude with the manliest language there is in Japanese. It's not something to worry about. By the way, by the time you'll be speaking natural Japanese well enough to worry about minor quirks in your speech instead of conveying ideas at all, you'll have read several hundred manga/novels/etc, so don't worry too much about the influence from just one or two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853691
>>16854538
And hell, if you ever feel like you're losing your way after reading 10 consecutive moeblob yuri loli harem manga or what have you, just re-read/play the Shirou vs Wilhem fights in Dies irae on loop, which is the densest quality of manly language in all of Japanese. No one can emerge from them without a dense growth of pubic hair and a masculine as hell speech pattern.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854568
I think Schreiber's dad is a better example of manly language.

[Anonymous No.]

What's this げる at the end? Shortened あげる?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854672
たげる

[Anonymous No.]

>>16847472
I'm literally only 1000 cards into core and I'm having no real trouble reading Yotsuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854672
Yeah, してあげる.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854677
>>16854682
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854283
pls respond
I want to catch up on listening
I tried going in without subs and ended up getting completely lost, after that, I tried with subs and had a difficult time ignoring them when I understood, and looking at them when I needed them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854635
>anyone speaking/being more manly than Wilhelm
doubt

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854729
Try easier shows, Yuru Yuri or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854915
I'll give it a try

[Anonymous No.]

>>16853725
れりごー
れりごー

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854672
>>16854682
してあげるの

おんなことばだよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

If I have a bunch of suspended leech cards that I would like to properly learn now but I also want to stop new cards from showing up until I'm done with the leeches, for this to work I just need to unsuspend all leech cards and change the new cards/day setting in the Deck Options to 0, right?

[Maki No.]

almost 3 years.
Off an on probably 2.5 years of active studying...ive given up besides watching lets plays to relax.


Its a huge waste of time all of it especially since im nearly retarded literally...why didnt i just do something with technology or anything else...i guess im better but not nearly as good as spending as much time as i had...im still going to keep going subtly with anime and all that but fuck man...

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855363
この平坦が

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855363

sad

[Anonymous No.]

almost 3 years.
Off an on probably 2.5 years of active studying...ive given up besides watching lets plays to relax.


Its a huge waste of time all of it especially since im nearly retarded literally...why didnt i just do something with technology or anything else...i guess im better but not nearly as good as spending as much time as i had...im still going to keep going subtly with anime and all that but fuck man...

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855398
DIDNT CARE THE 1ST TIME

[Anonymous No.]

おにいちゃん

おなかすかない？

どっかたべにいこ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855399
Im going to hang out here now under anon ._.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855401

夕飯のためにこれを食べろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855419
これはなんていうりょうり？

っていうか野菜は？

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855423

酷いだよ！

この特別な食物を一日中作りました！

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855447
キャベツの千切りとアスパラとレタス

つけて！

[Anonymous No.]

>>16841145
When I convert an epub to mobi in calibre the text goes from the original vertical writing to horizontal. What can I do so this doesn't happen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855352
Right.
You could also do Edit-->Reschedule to make the leeches new cards, then Edit-->Reposition to move them to the front of the new card queue

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855569
Don't convert with Calibre, use Kindlegen

[Anonymous No.]

ＵＳが北をこうげきした日

にほんはテロの嵐につつまれるよ

テロからどうやってみをまもったらいいの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855583
Kindlegen doesn't seem to work for me, when I click the exe a command prompt appears for a milli sec then nothing happens

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855620
that's because it's a command-line program

https://ebookpioneer.blogspot.de/2013/03/how-to-use-kindlegen-to-make-mobi-book.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855622
>>16855620


You can also use Amazon's Kindle Previewer, which runs kindlegen for you and immediately displays the output

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855622
>>16855623
Thanks, it worked. Also I'm following this guide https://pastebin.com/qdaYzitJ to make them searchable but the Send to Kindle program linked there I can't login into with my Japanese Amazon account, says email doesn't exist. What do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855680
You should be able to see your personal Send-to-kindle email address somewhere in your japanese Amazon account. You can just manually email the file there instead of using that program.

[Anonymous No.]

まわりの風景は、知らない風景ではなかった。
I'm a bit confused about the double negative here. Are the surroundings familiar or not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855690
They're not 知らない, so they're familiar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855690
>>16855698
にほんごのふいんきは

>しってるけど、しらない気もする

ぐらいのいみだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855703
>ふいんき

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855685
I don't think that works. That program turns it into azw3/makes it dictionary searchable

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855730
No, amazon does. I've emailed tons of files to my address to make them searchable.

The program just sends the file to amazon for you. The searchable file is that one the kindle downloads from amazon, it doesn't modify the file on your disk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855698
So like I thought. Thanks. Is that always the case, i.e. a negative negates a prior negative, or can multiple negatives sometimes be used for emphasis like in some languages? Or even if it would be technically agrammatical is it still used in slang or dialectical speech, like in English, e.g. ‘I ain't never’ meaning the same as ‘I have never’ or ‘I haven't ever’?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16855738
Heh, using that Kindle command prompt thing left the file at 27MB size. You apparently can't send an attachment over 25MB or it turns into a Google Drive Link. God damn it. I tried using the compression method in that Kindlegen guide too but it only decreased it by like 300kb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16854090

>proper written english

You need to review your textbooks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16841325
he knows asahi-ben

[Anonymous No.]

ごめんにゃさい which version should I get? What's the difference anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

It just so happens that today, the 13th of April, 2017, is my third year of studying Japanese after first discovering DJT on /a/. Although it was just three years ago that I started studying Japanese, I think it may be worthwhile to some of you to offer myself up as a sort of case study of what may work and what probably won't work, things to emphasize that are easy to forget, things to maybe not worry so much about, and so on. Basically, ask me things and I'll answer from the perspective of someone who's studied three straight years without missing a day. I'll do a brief rundown of what my level is like and what I did to get here. Note that I'm not here to brag, because my level is somewhat shameful for how long I've studied - I've seen people talk about getting N1 in one year and being a god of Japanese within two or three. That's not me. Anyway:

>How did you study?
I first started in 2014 by beginning a kanji radical deck, followed soon by the Core2k/6k anki deck. I started Tae Kim at about the same time. I took a very long time to finish Core2k, as I was learning kanji entirely from it, and at around October 2014 I started a mining deck to replace it, which I continued until around August 2016 (pic), at which I dropped Anki entirely. Aside from the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar anki deck, that is all the active studying I have done. Everything else was just googling things I didn't know, which was often.
>What did you do for the majority of your time?
I read visual novels, light novels, and manga (especially H) for several hours a day every day for the latter 2 years of the 3, and 30m-1h of anki a day for the first 2 years of the 3. I did not do listening practice. I have watched close to no anime. I have watched close to no news/TV. I have not spoken to Japanese people beyond a single time 7 months ago, which went okay. I have written at most three or four kanji, and not from memory. My studying has been pretty much exclusively reading.
>What can you do well?
I can pick up almost any visual novel, light novel, manga, etc, and read it pretty easily. The language is no barrier to me just picking up and enjoying the vast majority of Japanese media. I know over 3,000 confirmed kanji and do not use tools such as texthookers in the slightest, and most of my dictionary usage recently has been using kotobank to learn more obscure definitions of words which don't appear in edict. In other words, I can most things read very well, intuitively understanding grammar.
>What can you do barely okay?
My listening is close to garbage. I can watch anime and pick up of most of the dialogue, but whenever a longer/"rarer" word like 水晶玉 pops up I will very very likely fail to catch it because I'm so reliant on kanji to understand Japanese due to reading so much. I actually often forget how to read even common words because I only see them in kanji, or fail to learn their readings at all. (I had no idea 一日 was ever actually read as ついたち until recently. I read 座る as さわる and 次第 as じだい for my first 2 years of study). I put this as "barely okay" because even common words I can fail to understand due to this kanji reliance, despite usually understanding the majority of common dialogue.
>What do you suck at?
Writing. I cannot write a single kanji, even 私.
Speaking. I stumble like a motherfucker and often struggle to figure out how to express more complex ideas. My speaking also suffers from kanji reliance, as I mispronounce words to a comical extent. If there's a silver lining to my speaking, it's that I've read enough that in many cases (not most, just many), I can produce language identical to what a native would write. It'd just that if I leave my comfort zone bubble of ideas I collapse and start writing cringey obviously foreigner shit. My code is basically, if I can't produce a given idea easily from just my brain, I don't write it. For example, if I'm stuck using a E->J dictionary trying to figure out what word to use in Japanese, I stop right then and there, because I'll probably produce awkward sounding language which will be noticeably foreign.
Culture. I do not know the names of any famous people in Japan (except certain creators of manga and such), I do not know the names of TV shows, I do not know the names of politicians, and I do not know the geography of Japan very well. This makes reading the news absolutely painful because I don't know who they're talking about or where it's happening the majority of the time.
>当たり前 conclusions/advice
1) Make a point to practice listening regularly
2) If you want to write, you have to specifically practice it or you'll never learn
3) Consider an anki deck of famous people names? Fuck if I know how to get over that hump, christ
4) Even at 3 years, I have a lot left to learn and a long ways to grow, but in the meantime I can easily read and have fun doing so. Mission accomplished there.

Any questions? If anyone cares, ask away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856183
You are a prime example of everything you will lack in your Japanese skills if you do nothing but follow DJT dogma.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856195
played like a fiddle

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856195
That was my goal in posting this, thanks. I am the half-failure for people to learn from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856197
>>16856183
Not sure I'd consider that a half-failure.
You've been studying for only 3 years. You can
focus on improving on other parts of the language now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856183
What VNs have you read? Which were your favourite?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856215
Are you calling me a full failure or not a failure at all? I called myself a half-failure because I think 3, 4 years is the point where one has had ample opportunity to become very solid and well-rounded in a language, which I have not. I can still grow, but I already "should have" grown. But yeah I am trying to emphasize more listening because it's hella frustrating because so into the Japanese scene but then being unable to keep up with livestreams or unsubtitled news announcements or whatever.
>>16856225
I have read over 100 VNs at this point. I've posted it about my favourites before but I really like Akeiro for combining interesting plot, fun characters, and well-drawn porn into a single game. Was mostly interesting from beginning to end, which most VNs can't say. Now this will be more generic, but Dies irae is definitely one of my favourite VNs of all time. I think about it all the time and it has some of the best characters I've ever seen in any work at all (and fwiw, Dies irae is way easier than people think it is, though it still has some pretty crazy hard sections). Game-VNs wise, Evenicle was the first JRPG I enjoyed in years and I had a lot of fun with it despite the... sloppy story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856253
I'm not calling you a failure. Languages take time, don't focus on what level you could be by now, but rather on what your future goals are.
You're doing alright.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856253
Nevermind I've asked you this question before. I wish there was more variety in the people willing to talk about the VNs they've read here.

One day I'll read Akeiro. But not today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856283
Can't be helped I suppose, I remember my first VN taking like a month to read. Most people here, being learners, probably haven't read too many VNs.
By the way, I too find that there's a dearth of untranslated VN discussion in the west, and have basically been forced into reading 2ch if I want a good quantity of discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856283
>I wish there was more variety in the people willing to talk about the VNs they've read here.
There's a VN general on this board you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856183
So basically, you're upset because you're shit at the things which you never practiced? That's a strange attitude. Did anyone ever tell you you could get good at listening, speaking or handwriting by only reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856400
I'm not upset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856400
He never said or implied he was upset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856299
Interesting, I really need to learn to use 2ch more. I've just been spoiled by the quality of 4chan's interface, I wish there was a browser extension that gave 2ch mouseover replies and autoupdate. I know Jane Style exists but it's shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856405
>my level is somewhat shameful for how long I've studied

This gives the impression of being at least a little disappointed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856437
It doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856465
*does

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856477
Doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856437
I'm self-aware that given the time I've studied I "should" be better than I am, hence referencing it as shameful, but I'm not upset about it, and I certainly didn't expect to get better at handwriting from reading or anything silly like that as >>16856400 implied.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856481
What "should" happen depends on your particular goals and how you went about trying to achieve them, from that standpoint it sounds like everything went exactly as expected with no "shoulds" to speak of. I just thought it was striking a very strange tone, that's all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856531
"should" is in scarequotes because it represents the expected outcome from an outside perspective, not because it's what literally should have happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856531
Go away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856539
An imaginary outside perspective, which doesn't seem to have manifested in anybody else's head so far. You reference it again here:
>>16856253
So it's easy to see how someone might get the impression that it's bothering you. Why did you think this "outside perspective" might be relevant in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856612
Yes, it's imaginary. I don't imagine it's relevant, I just said to emphasize that I'm not bragging (which the first half of the sentence have provided a clue about), because if I didn't I expected that people would interpret my post as dick waving, which I didn't want. Unfortunately, it seems a more tedious misunderstanding has occurred.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856644
That's just him and you enabling his autism.

[Anonymous No.]

Argumentative, delusional, and cancerous, basically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856644
That tedious misunderstanding was the only interesting or noteworthy part of your story, but don't worry, I'm also bored of this conversation now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856680
Cool. Never talk to me again, penis sucker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856728
No, YOU stop talking to ME!

[Anonymous No.]

さユりのような海外（English）の歌手を教えてください。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLTP2ymtuWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq7XWSZzDbM

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857235
This thread isn't for English artists. Go to /mu/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857235
Why does this always happen.

[Anonymous No.]

Does knowing Chinese make learning Japanese easier?
I failed to learn Japanese as a teenage weebaoo, but now I am almost fluent in Mandarin and the characters don't seem so intimidating anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857255
It will make kanji somewhat easier but it will still require years of hard work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857255
It is often stated that it does (as you can find out on google) but Chinese and Japanese are grammatically very different and few things really carry over except Kanji of course, so you while do have an advantage in recognizing and writing Kanji it really isn't all that great. You're also in danger of mixing up Chinese and Japanese readings so it might even hinder you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857242
/mu/では日本のアーティストのことも語られていますか？

>>16857248
すまない

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857268
True, I always end up reading the Kanji in Chinese even though I do understand Kano. It sounds like something not so different from 台語 when that happens, to someone who doesn't understand it at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856183
How many cards did you have when you dropped Anki? Do you ever regret it?

[Anonymous No.]

What was the name of the program that works like rikaichan but for raw mangas ?
I tried looking up in Google but I found nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857466
Kanjitomo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857488
I love you man, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857488
It's too bad that it doesn't work on windows 10 though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857537
https://djtguide.neocities.org/resource%20guide.html#Manga%20OCR
There's a script here that makes the program easier to use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856183
Ah fuck that sounds horrible, I hope I don't end up like this in a few years.

Someone sad rossetta stone is good for listening, I know it's shit at everything else though.
How should I practice listening?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857650
I prescribe you a high dosage of Anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857652
Thanks doc

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857650
You can pirate Rosetta Stone and just work through it a lesson a day. Provided it's supplementary to your other studies it won't hurt or anything because if there is something that RS does right, it is immersion. Just set the text to be in full Kanji and you can treat it as the first step into authentic Japanese. That's the only thing I see RS to be good for at least. Either way, no sane person would actually pay for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857650
listen to people speak ding ding

try transcribing fuckin noob

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857650
That guy is surely well beyond Rosetta Stone level even if he's shit. You can use VNs to reach at least the level where all the lines in VNs are easy especially if you pay attention to the voicing and repeat lines you don't fully catch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856183
Can I ask how old you are?

[Anonymous No.]

Why did you guys lie to me?

You said if I would do anki+wanikani+kim daily I would learn Japanese.

It's been a year and I now know close to 1000 kanji a shitload of vocabulary but I STILL can't read actual Japanese except for really simple sentences such as the example sentences in core6K.

Turns out you actually have to read and watch Japanese stuff but I have no interest in manga or anime and I am probably screwed.

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't read today
am I going to fail Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857745

>Turns out you actually have to read and watch Japanese stuff

no shit sherlock, just kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857749
Go read something right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857745
What pleasure do you get from coming here to lie about things?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857761

it's 10 pm and I need to get to sleep soon
I'll try read couple pages of yotsuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857550
Really? I remember it working for me. Haven't used it in a while though.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you practice listening to words you haven't yet aquired through reading? It all stems from reading. Unless you use subtitles to watch your anime with which are impossible to aquire in the volume necessary to learn a language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857774
The same way you practice words you don't know while reading. You look them up / figure it out through context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857774
You are saying there literally are not enough subtitles for anime?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857773
I read that it wasn't compatible. I never tried it though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857762
I wish I was lying.

I just don't have a lot of reading material since I don't enjoy manga and I'm not advanced enough for actual novels. Anime also isn't my thing but that can be substituted with youtube channels.

Should be noted that I'm learning Japanese for work, not for entertainment purposes.

[Anonymous No.]

where I can find high quality scans of Yotsuba
the one I downloaded from the guide are terrible when I zoom in

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857803
>I'm learning Japanese for work, not for entertainment purposes.
It sounds like you belong on /int/ then. We're here for the sole purpose of media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857803
What kind of work would that even be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857827
Mechanical engineer for a railroad company that has a shortage of workers in their JPN branch. Thus the pay is almost 2x what I make here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857781

Isn't that highly inefficient? The time required to pause and look up every single word you don't know at levels where there are multiple words in a single sentence you don't know seems like it could better be spent reading and gaining knowledge of the word first (while simultaneously gaining the ability to read the kanji) with a texthooker which is extremely fast in comparison.

I feel guilty when I watch anime because that's x hours I could have spent finishing my VN.

>>16857783

Japanese subtitles to my knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857843
Not really? Unless you're racing for some goal I don't see the problem anyways. Just do what you enjoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857803
Then you shouldn't phrase your post like some kind of shitty bait. And stop blaming others for you being a pathetic failure. People here are learning fast and efficient because they are doing it out of their own free will, if you are not motivated and ready to invest a large amount of your free time you will never learn Japanese. Knowing 1000 Kanji in one year is less than 3 Kanji per day. I'm honestly not sure about how WaniKani works but it is mnemonics and keywords coupled with vocabulary right? Either you skipped countless days or you are just not investing any time to actually learn things at a proper pace. If you're not motivated you are also not thinking about how to increase the efficiency of your studies and you are not getting into a proper work flow. Once you spend several hours every day on something you quickly realize how to improve the process. People who learn things through classes or those just doing it as a chore never make that experience. I still believe that you are lying by the way. What put me off is that you say "you actually need to read things" as if it's some kind of divine revelation. Either you're severely handicapped or you just do not know anything about language learning and have not bothered informing yourself. I'll give you some advice: Stop learning right now. You will never learn Japanese with your attitude. It is not worth the time you waste on it. Do something you enjoy with that time instead.

>>16857843
I know there aren't that many shows subtitled in Japanese but I have found plenty and by no means not enough for one individual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857820
まど神

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857685
This. Just look at the character's face instead of the text and try to understand what they're saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857434
Around 10,000
I don't really regret dropping it because my vocab is strong enough to read most things without much if any dictionary assistance, but I think I would have an easier time reading denser works if I had kept it up. The freedom of not having to schedule an hour or so a day for anki is very nice though, as is not being bored out of my fucking skull going through hundreds of reviews a day. Overall I don't think there's a right answer when it comes to dropping anki, but for me, the 10,000-ish mark was enough for me to drop it and not feel bad about it.
>>16857650
Just be sure to watch anime and youtube videos or whatever consistently and you won't end up like me when it comes to listening. My problem was just doing literally nothing but reading for three years. Add in some anime to balance your manga and you'll be fine, though I can't speak from experience.
>>16857725
20, started in highschool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857803
> I'm not advanced enough for actual novels

Yes you are. There are plenty of people who started with novels. Are you dumber than them? Well probably, but mostly it's because you're a bitch nigger who fears a little difficulty. An attitude that will lead to you never learning Japanese, because no matter how much money you shell out for WaniKani badges it'll never get easy.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語でbitchniggerってどうやって言うの

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858098
黒い雌犬

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858098
であったことがない

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858130
黒人雌犬

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858098
>>16858145
さべつごが

ないよ

とおすぎて

「こくじんのむすめさん」かな

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857803
dud, im not a weeb either, just stick with anki and DOJG decks, do it efficiently and don't whine it takes time. fuck your instant gratification.

also check the DJT library it has plenty of ez novels that you can read ONLINE with rikaisama hovering over shit you dont understand.

[Anonymous No.]

God I hate tae Kim's. It's so fucking pretentious

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858400

Tae kim's what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858408
Grammar guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858400
oh if you hate pretentious check this out instead >>16850361

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858430
Thought about it but it sounds like it was written by an amateur so I'm worried I'll learn something wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858437
epic irony

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858440
???
I don't want to learn from another amateur

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858444
just be careful in your dealings with tyler kim

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858450
M'kay, I suppose I'll give this grammar guide a try, but to whoever wrote this, if you fuck me up with wrong info I hope you feel bad about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856183
>1) Make a point to practice listening regularly

Unless the people speak like they're tranq'd up to their eyeballs, I seriously doubt I'm going to have any luck understanding them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858472
That's my major issue with listening as well.
Sometimes the shit that's spoken is so quick that my brain can't even process what was said before they've moved on to saying something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858472
This post is overflowing with sheer stupidity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858482
People always say that when I'm winning the argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858466
im sure itll be literally okay

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858485
when you post in djt nobody wins

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858325
>>16858430
>>16858440
>>16858450
>>16858510
>>16858519
Please stop posting

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858525
Sup tyler

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858525
dont associate the first post in that with me i dont write like that

also take your own advice

[Anonymous No.]

What are other good beginner manga besides Yotsuba? Currently downloading Shin-Chan and Shirokuma Cafe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858472
>>16858479
Once you pass a certain point (I dunno, 6 months of study? 12? just way sooner than 3 years) it's important to start listening whether you can understand them or not. The point is to practice comprehending the sounds, get the flow of the language in your mind, etc etc. Not to understand 100% right off the bat or anything. Take it from me - if you don't practice listening even when you're bad at it, you'll never be good at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858585

Whatever you find interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858585
gantz

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858606
thanks chief good post keep it up

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858618

That's the only right answer sport.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858623
except when people dont know whats interesting (opposite of your posting) and would like some opinions to help get the ball rolling squirt

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858630

No one can tell you what you find interesting but you champ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858585
Zettai Reiiki is ezpz

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858647
>>16858612

Cheers, will have a look at both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858642
you cant find something you dont know exists interesting if you dont know it exists tiger

>>16858675
when you say cheers i feel bad because gantz is actualyl a manga for big kids who like reading sf trainwrecks

uhhh try buso renkin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858695

That's a serious recommendation? Will try it as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858705
yeah its written by the dude who wrote kenshin

gaijins hate it

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858585
とらぶる
ラブひな
Honestly, most manga with furigana are easy, so I wouldn't recommend sticking exclusively to "beginner recs" or what have you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858695

This isn't the manga recommendation thread slugger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858720
why didnt you just say that originally or is this where youre ready to concede tyke

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858735

Neither of my statements were incorrect kiddo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858764
but your decision to post was moppet

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858786

Nice conjecture killer.

[Anonymous No.]

終了！！！！！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>16858735
>>16858764
>>16858786
>>16858803
やめろ!

[Anonymous No.]

跂者不立。跨者不行。自見者不明。自是者不彰。自伐者無功。自矜者不長。其於道也、曰餘食贅行。物或惡之。故有道者不處。

跂つ者は立たず。跨ぐ者は行かず。自ら見す者は明らかならず。自ら是とする者は彰かならず。自ら伐る者は功無し。自ら矜る者は長ぜず。其の道に於けるや、余食贅行と曰う。物或に之を悪む。故に有道の者は処らず。

つま先で立っていようとすると，しっかりと立っていられない。 歩幅を伸ばして大股で歩こうとすると，うまく歩き続けられない。 己を目立たせようとする者は，すこしも認められず， 己を正当化しようと言い立てる者は，世間の評価とはほど遠い。 己を自慢して言いふらす者は，人々の上に立てない。 　「道(タオ）」の基準に照らして言えば， 　これらの者どもは，人をむかつく気分にさせる　 　　“おり・かすのような屑的人間”とも言うべき奴らである。 だから，「道(タオ）」を究めた人は，これらの者を寄せ付けない。

He who stands on tiptoe is not steady.
He who strides cannot maintain the pace.
He who makes a show is not enlightened.
He who is self-righteous is not respected.
He who boasts achieves nothing.
He who brags will not endure.
According to followers of the Tao, "These are extra food and unnecessary luggage."
They do not bring happiness.
Therefore followers of the Tao avoid them.

[Anonymous No.]

he who copy and paste hath no words of his own due to being pussy ass bitch

[Anonymous No.]

常に背へ風が吹いている奴が、自分の力で歩くことが出来なくなるじゃ。。。

[Anonymous No.]

How do I choose the definition I want to add to anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859070
The bottom two are a consistent word and a form of it. The third is a bogus entry of the second word. The first is a formation of the second word.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it normal for ITHVNR to suppress all repeated characters? Even when I disable "Auto-suppress repetition" it still displays ここ as こ and おお as お, for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859073
So for example if I wanted to import the second definition, is there a way to do that without copy paste and changing the last letter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859098
With rikaisama no, it will only do the top one

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859081
did you try re-hooking it or refreshing it after disabling that option

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859060
こんにちわ日本語を教えてくれますか

楽しく日本語を学んでいただきたいと思います

よろしくお願いします

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859081
Reboot it and your game several times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859173
I tried that again and it worked, thanks. I was thrown off because the first line that it hooked repeated every character in the line, but it works properly for every subsequent line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859176

それが風のような教えだろう？

いや、その道は自分自身の歩くものだ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859244
それなんか違うよね絶対（笑）

まあいいや

[Anonymous No.]

Hey I just started Tae Kim, and I'm really taking my time due to finals coming up.

I'm not sure if my pace is too slow -- I've learned 20 hiragana in 2 days, both reading and writing. Is this okay, or is that pleb status. Tae Kim's videos are good, but I want time to know each symbol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859488
Who cares how fast you are? Learn at your own pace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859488
your pace doesnt matter until you plateau shortly after day1 guides and animego

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859497
Good advices on DJT?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859509
where

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859497
>>16859498
thanks anons
I just really want to know them well before moving on

>tfw finally have a use for my ipad
it took its time, but using a stylus to write characters is super nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859488
Don't worry about it. The fact you've been learning for a couple days is good enough. Some people learn all hiragana and katakana in a couple days, others don't. What matters is that a month later you still remember them and you're still learning.As long as you're retaining knowledge and learning new stuff you're doing good.
You might wanna check out Imabi for grammar by the way.

[Anonymous No.]

Current working version of Sakubi: https://a.safe.moe/SzWfu.txt

Fixed the mistakes that were pointed out and a bunch of typos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16842305
As already mentioned, you should already have started reading.
I recommend you 黒,　よつばよ and ふらいんぐうぃっち
You mind if i ask you how long it took and weather or not you've done any isolated kanji studying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859497
Beginner pilots were first to be used in kamikaze attacks.

Never forget this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859831
I'm not entirely sure if that was meant to help someone feel better or worse?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16859831
i wish youd kamikaze the fuck outta here personally

[Anonymous No.]

>>16856183
>>16856253
>>16857955
Thanks for the warning and advice, anon. Though I'm still envying your position right now.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>16859060
奈落の底が見えないからといって

立ち竦んでいては飛び越えられない

ゆーきゃんふらい。あいせっど

[Anonymous No.]

ぜったいにゆるさないよ

Ｎ１↑くらいからよめるとおもうよ
http://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2017041400306&g=soc

>リンさんの所持品などに付着した遺留物のＤＮＡ型鑑定を進めるなど捜査を進めた結果、渋谷容疑者の関与の疑いが浮上した。

これは「レイプ殺人だった」の意味だよ。ぜったいにゆるさないよ

そしてなによりベトナムのみなさんほんとうにごめんなさい

[Anonymous No.]

これもひどいとおもう

寿司職人が寿司以外をにぎった

Ｎ２からよめるとおもうよ
http://breaking-news.jp/2017/04/12/031876

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860184
これは「わいせつ＝にぎった」だから

「みだらな＝レイプ」じゃないよ

[Anonymous No.]

あとまじめな話なんだけど

あめりか軍なんだけどちょうやる気なんですけど、開戦すると半島出身者のおおい、ちかくのくに、にほんもふくめた地球上のいろんなくにの治安がすっごい悪化するんだけど

それでも寿司職人が気になる

[Anonymous No.]

にほんのグーグルからは

アメリカ軍のニュースが

けんさくけっかに表示されないっぽい

もうだめなの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860234
テレビでやってること以上のことが始まってるの？
何も規制されてないように思うが　余計な心配に押しつぶされないで

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860234
調べてみたんだけど
日本でやってるニューズは嘘っぽい
ペンタゴンが否定したよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860270
ソースプリーズ　面白い

[Anonymous No.]

>>16850361
Were you that kid back in high school who thought he knew enough to teach the class?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860270
にほんの

ニンジャ部隊も

うごいたらしい

[Anonymous No.]

I love Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860374
But it doesn't love you

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860297
I never went to highschool

[Anonymous No.]

Can 上げる be used to mean to upload something to the internet, in an informal way?

[Anonymous No.]

So I started the Genki 1 book and workbook and I think I should get myself some kind of opportunity to write/speak with native japanese or it'll be no good.

Is there some kind of penpal-website that you guys would recommend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860397
はい。

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860297
That's Tae Kim. Tae Kim is that kid back in high school who thought he knew enough to teach the class. You still revolve around his guide instead of the classroom ones, because you already know that the classroom ones are terrible. Nothing here is any different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860400
At this stage you probably don't know enough yet for conversation to bring you any real benefit. That doesn't mean you're not allowed to try, but right now it's just a bit of fun and not much related to your development.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860400
Whatever you do, don't talk to other non-native speakers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860449
I wouldn't mind picking up some trivia or advice from native speakers along the way, best if I could also help them with english, russian or german if they're interested

>>16860453
didn't intend to

[Anonymous No.]

Does this thread ever die?

Holt shit the move from /a/ killed this place

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860374
あたしたちがにほんをあいしたとしても

にほんはあたしたちをあいさない

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860608
Threads on /jp/ take forever to die. We're at like 670+ posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860611
We used to get a full thread daily on /a/ now 600 posts in 4 days...

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860640
A lot of that was off topic spam, though. It's not really a direct comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

What are the differences between

猥褻
卑猥
淫猥

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860744
if you're at the level where it matters you should be able to look it up yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>16857255
I've heard from some (Chinese) natives that the learning curve is the opposite than for most western beginners.

It's easy at first since they gravitate to the 1:1 vocab and basically have 40% or whatever the proportion of sino-japanese words make up the language under their belt with minimal effort.

For example, a lot of Chinese LPers who don't know Japanese can still bullshit their way through a Japanese game by just tossing out the words they recognize during cutscenes. It's a convincing act; if you're not any better you might think they could actually read and were just being lazy.

Eventually they have to face the same difficulties everyone else does; the readings, the grammar, and the てんやわんやポンポンなんでやねん, etc.

I have a chink friend who failed N1 three times and eventually gave up Japanese completely. The only reason I can conceive of for throwing away the language so easily was that it wasn't that difficult for her to reach that N2 intermediate level in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860815
If the learning curve is the opposite that it is to westerners, where do westerners have it easier? Grammar?

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know of some good resources for studying 古文？

[Anonymous No.]

それLyzaの字じゃないよ

1. Lyza didn't write that.
2. That is not Lyza's handwriting.

I can't really make up my mind with which one would be more correct. I'd welcome a 3rd point of view here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860820
They're masters at romaji, something not even native japanese can handle a lot of the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860820
Gairaigo, obviously

Chinese learners are comically bad at katakana words; it's literally a word in a language they don't know written in a second language they don't know.

They also suck at giseigo and gitaigo but everyone kinda does, so that doesn't count

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860820
and it's also been mentioned before, but westerners don't have cross-interference with kanji readings

At a high level in both languages you will still fuck up randomly (goes for natives of either country learning either language), it's just something you live with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860828
2, 多分

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860828
both sentences imply each other, both are fine

sweaty_autistic_translator_goes_apeshit.mp3

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860885
>>16860896
>sweaty_autistic_translator_goes_apeshit.mp3
Pretty much. I guess we live in an imperfect world. Thank you, anons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860831
I'm native English, but still have issues with romaji. I can pronounce it fine, but often the meaning doesn't click unless it's written in kana/kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860928
That just means that you're bad, though

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860938
a hero appears

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860831
I'm still trying to get rid of keystrokes when I type

I trained myself to use "tu" for つ but I can't stop typing ち as "chi"

the former was probably easy since it doesn't exist in english

[Anonymous No.]

I just read a full chapter of Yotsuba without mine words
am I a 日本語 professional now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860954
Congratulations, you have the language proficiency of a toddler!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860928
That means you need to watch more anime

[Anonymous No.]

I've just started reading and I'm already getting stuck with things I can't find in the dictionary.

What's your go-to move when you can't figure something out? I'm looking words up in the Rikaisama Lookup bar and otherwise typing them into google translate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860988
Look at Japanese definitions of words. A lot of the times the thing I'm getting confused about is because rikais English equivalent doesn't explain it well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860988
Are you talking about words? Jisho has plenty of them. More than google translate, at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860993
>>16860992

Thanks, gonna have a look at Jisho. It's also sometimes understanding the actual meaning of the sentence.

For example, what I'm trying to figure out atm:

Shin-Chan: そゆ気分じゃないのに (I guess: I don't feel like it)

Misae: 5才児がいっぱしの口きくんじゃない！

I'm not sure what she's trying to say here. I can break it down into it's components, but when it comes to figuring out the whole meaning of the sentence I'm stumped. I'm assuming that きく in this case means 聞く, or is that wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861032
That's because your googlefu is weak. Go search for 口きく

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861042
>口きく

Thanks, since it was written in separate lines I didn't assume it belonged together.

So basically: 5 year old boys don't speak like this?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a deck with all one-reading 常用漢字, preferably divided by their phonetic component? It would be nice to establish a definitive overview of how to read a lot of Kanji and when the phonetic component is important.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a website where you can draw kanji to look them up?　I'm stuck with　some kanji that I can't read and since there's no furigana I have no idea how to look them up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861162
google translate has the best, not even memeing

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861167

That worked really well. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

I want to stop using anki so bad but I just love collected vocab and kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861210
Dropping Anki seems like a bad idea to me as memory decay is inevitable unless you use it. The best thing you can do is condense the information you need in few cards and to increase your productivity. It helps getting into some kind of habit of doing Anki rather than doing it whenever. Before I set a set time for my Anki reviews I needed like 2 hours for what I could have done in 20 minutes. Now I personally do my reviews right upon waking up which means I don't have to worry about them the rest of the day and can do whatever. Before I go to sleep I custom study all my forgotten cards so they can form to long term memories in my sleep. Anki hardly seems like a burden to me now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861235
I already do that but I'm stick just sick of it, I've been using it for years I just want to be done with it already

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861079
I think you're talking yourself into believing that you need a resource for something that you really don't

If you made such a deck yourself you'd probably get all of the knowledge you were hoping for

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861210
Realize that your reading skill is way out of proportion to your other three and that you can never say you're advanced unless you know how to listen, speak and write.

That's what got me to quit

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861353
Are you the guy who posted yesterday? Your issue isn't Anki, it's just not practicing those things. It is not Anki holding you back, but your lack of initiative.
If you want to learn writing, it is most efficiently done through Anki. You simply need to input a stroke Diagram on the answer cards and start writing. Honestly I still believe you should start writing Kanji from the very start as you instantly see the differences between similar Kanji and it feels a lot easier to recognize Kanji in the wild.
As for listening, that's just a skill you need to be training, which brings me back to my first point. If you don't actively watch anime or dramas or whatever, of course you won't improve. Blaming Anki is just a cheap way to excuse your own laziness. The same goes for speaking. I already speak 3 other languages and I mumble all my vocabulary cards when I do them anyway, so I feel like when I can write and construct my own complex Japanese sentences, I will also be able to speak but that's besides the point. The same thing that applies to listening applies here. If you don't speak you won't learn it. Anki is just a tool you can use to accomplish certain things. It is not a magic pill that will teach you all aspects of Japanese. I don't know why you and some others have that impression.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861353
I realised that like a year ago, and I have been practising Listening and writing much more since then, but I still haven't put down anki once the entire time

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860020
Yeah, the guy is still only 20. I was nowhere near that level at that age.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861210
Stop new cards and just do reviews?
You will quickly get it down to 5 minutes of reps per day

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861440
I've been trying that but my retention's always been terrible so it just doesn't go down at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861531
Then you did too many new cards

I've been doing a kanji deck at 5 new cards a day and finish in 10 minutes with almost perfect retention

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861543
I was doing 8 new cards a day, 2 new cards split between 4 decks, 5 minutes per deck with about 80% mature retention usually, my memories just always been shit

[Anonymous No.]

Why do people always append "だけど" to the end of their sentences?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861543
That's only a Kanji keyword deck (KKLC) though is it not? Doing 5 Kanji per day is a pathetic pace for those. I don't know why anyone would willingly take over a year to learn Kanji keywords.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861598
例を上げてくれないとわからないんだけど？

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861598
To soften how assertive it sounds, assertiveness is considered rude in Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861598
>あたし女なんだけど

mean,男は黙って我慢していろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861543
>>16861600
I sure hope you're getting the full KKLC experience!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861633
Oh, so it's a little like appending が onto the end of ます and です sentences?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861647
Yah

[Anonymous No.]

>>16851223

fuck...

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861667
How does that even happen? You go 20 new cards a day despite not being able to remember shit? Christ, some people take the advice given here too literally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861667
enable leech suspension

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861649
ボンボンの無知はもはや罪だ

生き残るのに理由はいらないよ

[Anonymous No.]

Is kino no tabi the easiest ln

[Anonymous No.]

>大分ピアノが上手くなりました。
>だいぶ (0) → very, greatly [adverb]
>You've become pretty good at the piano.

This card really bothers me...

Why would you have greatly before piano?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWoM4ooZBcc

5:11
草食男子はだめだ
日本の社会をだめにしとるｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861701
>(lit.) Greatly became good at piano
Come on anon, it's not that hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861723
But doesn't 上手くなりました already imply that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861701
The position doesn't matter as long as it is in front of the verb

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861730
You obviously don't have a very good grasp on grammar. I'd recommend finishing Tae Kim before asking more questions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861730
>you've become good
>you've become really good
It's just emphasis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861698
Yeah, also the best

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861701
>ピアノがだいぶ上手くなりました
これが正しい文法であってます。
でも、
>大分ピアノが上手くなりました。
このように副詞が先頭につくことは日常会話ではたくさんあります。
日本人も違和感を持つことがあります。

[Anonymous No.]

I want to download KKLC deck for anki
is this the deck I need to download?
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/36998113

[Anonymous No.]

>>16861962
It doesn't matter. Either that one or the one it is based on as they are no different in the information you should be concerned about. Divide into Recall and Recognition cards. Ideally in separate decks and then choose if your goal is to write Kanji in which case you do both. Ignore all information except the keywords. Flashcards are useless if you attempt to remember too many pieces of information at once.
Create your own vocabulary deck and simply add all the CIRCLED words that come up. You will also absorb the readings through the circled vocabulary, NOT through the keyword deck.
This is how my Kodansha routine currently looks like.

[Anonymous No.]

一人でフラッシュカード美味しくねぇ

みんなとラップめっちゃうめぇ

だから今日もdjt遊び行くぜぇ

[Anonymous No.]

>>16860762
>If you're at N5 level or higher, dont come to /djt/ anymore

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>>16860744
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/thsrs/2491/meaning/m0u/

>「卑猥」は、慎みがなく下品なことをいう。
卑猥 refers to something being crude or vulgar and lacking in modesty/discretion.
>「淫猥」「猥褻」とも、性欲を刺激するようなみだらなことをいうが、「猥褻行為」「猥褻取締り」など、一般的には「猥褻」を使う。
淫猥 and 猥褻 both refer to something being obscene in a way that stimulates sexual desire, but 猥褻 is more generally used, as in the terms 猥褻行為 or 猥褻取締り.

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What does カマ言葉 mean?

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>>16862140
talk like a fag aka what i do

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Is there a difference between である and ではある besides the は particle being used as a contrast (something is to be while something is not)? Are they still both used in formal contexts?

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>>16862199
＞あの人に、どんな言い訳をしょうが無駄ではある。・・・(1)
＞あの人に、どんな言い訳をしょうが無駄である。・・・(2)
＞あの人に、どんな言い訳をしょうが無駄です。・・・(3)

(2)と(3)は同じで、「無駄」と断定している表現です。
どちらかと言うと(2)が文語体、(3)が口語体ですかね。。。
(1)は、「無駄」だけど、「無駄」じゃない可能性も若干あるという意味合いになりますね。

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>>16862199
The difference is just the contrast, like you said.
>好きだ、好きです、好きである
It is liked
>好きではあるが・・・（愛してはいない）
It /is/ liked, but... (it is not loved)

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>>16862199
>は particle being used as a contrast
topic は and contrast は are the same thing: focus は. that's how i think of it anyway

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>>16862217
この説明は正しくはある。
でも彼には伝わらないだろう

[Anonymous No.]

I don't feel like studying after anki today!

[Anonymous No.]

>>16862284
もっと読めとな

そいつもおまえも

[Anonymous No.]

>>16862314
できぬ

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>>16862314
That's alright anon. Even if you only learned 5 new words in Anki today you have learned more than most people learn in a day. Just that much is enough to bring you up to fluency as you keep it up over the years. Humans really do underestimate the long term results of consistent studying. And as Anki keeps all your knowledge refreshed you can happily take breaks as long as you do your reviews. Remember, it is not a race. Do as much as you are comfortable with and take it easy.

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>>16862366
its important to put knowledge in quotation marks here or people might get the wrong idea

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Is there any difference in nuance between Verb + の and Verb + こと?

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>>16862381
Yeah

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>>16862381
what like ハメするのができます vs ハメすることができます ?

yah because 1 of those isnt right

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>>16862381
Check the DoBJG entry for の (3).

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What's the utility in learning proper stroke order?

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>>16862447
Apart from being able to write, it might help with reading handwritten Japanese.

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>>16862447
you draw nice box instead of ugly gaijin box

if you dont deal w. a lot of composition then it wont do you much good because youll just forget it all

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>>16862447
>>16862476
Your Kanji won't look like shit and you'll be more capable of reading handwritten Kanji as you get a proper feel for the flow of writing Kanji and how the strokes tie into each other.
Now, people here vastly overestimate the difficulty of actually following stroke order. I'm assuming it is because nobody actually bothered to try it. After doing it for a week or two you will be able to draw close to all Kanji intuitively in the right stroke order as the general direction of strokes is always the same and if a Kanji has a component of another Kanji you already know how to draw it. It's honestly a joke how this is brought up as something even bordering any effort to learn.

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>>16862499
yeah thats all true until you come out of your basement bubble

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Terro, get on the discord.

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>>16860828
I'd go with 2

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>>16860609
This sounds deep, but also childish since it's all hiragana. Mhm

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>>16860828
isnt this more reliant on what led up to it as far as how youd adapt it in english

both are whatever but the accuracy comes in having it roll off the same way

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I want to order a good Japanese language dictionary, can anyone give recommendations?

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>>16862586
http://users.tmok.com/~tumble/amfaqs/101glos.html

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>>16862589
kek, I meant JP-JP dictionary, 国語辞典

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>>16862586
I use 大辞林 and would recommend it. The CoR has a bunch of J-J dictionaries in EPWING format, you could try some of them out and see which one you prefer.

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>>16862598
Will check it out, thanks.

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>止めれば止めるだけ
DoJG doesnt have this one, is it the same as 止めれば止めるほど？ when googling it, it always leads me to the later.

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>>16862652
whats the difference between hodo and dake

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What are the easiet LNs you guys can think of? I'm downloading Kino no Tabi from the CoR, but i was wondering if there was anything worth reading that's as easy or easier than it(Manga is not really my thing)?

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>>16862794
You already asked you fuckwit. Just read whatever looks interesting and don't fuss about difficulty in LNs of all things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>16862794
yeah you fuckwit

id recommend haruchika but you have to be able to understand the authors voice

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>>16862805
It's the first time I'm asking
I figured I'd try to start with something simple since in novels there's no pictures or media whatsoever to help you understand what's going on. Only words

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>>16862976
Ignore him. He has some kind of persecution complex where every time someone says something he doesn't like, it has to be the same person.

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>>16862976
You're not going to find anything significantly easier than Kino except children's books.

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>>16863001
you mean like manga and "light novels?" lol

however jumping into shit at a 6th grader level is a bad idea if youre really still shitting your diapers

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>>16859632
What can I do if the Japanese characters aren't showing properly? I have my PC locale set to Japan if that means anything.

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>>16863027
It's a .txt file and rendered as such.
You can save it as a .txt file and then easily change the formatting to something that supports Japanese. I'm sure there are ways to make it display in the browser but I wouldn't know them.

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>>16863027
https://a.safe.moe/49tNA.txt