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Which group is biggest on /jp/? Primaries or secondaries?

>> No.9878398

Real azz niggas

>> No.9878418

Primaries.

>> No.9878423
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>> No.9878427

>>9878396
There's probably a fuckton of secondaries lurking.

>> No.9878430

>>9878427
Secondary reporting.

>> No.9878432

youtube.com/watch?v=33jyoyJNa2c

>/jp/

>> No.9878433

>>9878396
Who do you think makes all the shitty Touhou, idolmaster, etc threads? It certainly isn't primaries.

>> No.9878441

>>9878432
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_eyUVVcgc8

>> No.9878451

>>9878433
You can be a primary and still like the fandom culture.

>> No.9878471

Primates

>> No.9878485

No such thing as “primaries” or “secondaries” or any such nonsense.

>> No.9878488
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>>9878471

>> No.9878499

>>9878494
That doesn't validate the terms.

>> No.9878494
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>>9878485
Yes there is. You have bunch of people who are here every day in every Touhou thread, but hasn't played a single Touhou game.

>> No.9878504
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>>9878494
I've played them all and only beat the fighting ones.

I'm dog shit at bullet hell games

>> No.9878515

>>9878504
I bet you can only beat storymode on normal fucking LOSER

>> No.9878513

>>9878427
That's a really good thing, though.
They should be lurking so they can learn about Touhou and the culture of the board, so that when they do post, they contribute to the well being of the board and make meaningful threads.

By lurking, they will educate themselves about the series, play the games, and hopefully become primaries one day as well.

>> No.9878517

>>9878504
I think the farthest I've ever gotten in any of the games was level 3 on Ten Desires. Granted i only play on lunatic.
Why bother playing a game if you're not going to play it on the hardest difficulty possible?
Anything less then that is casual.

>> No.9878518

>>9878515
I could barely beat it on easy.

>> No.9878519

>>9878515
>Storymode

You play fighting games so you can own scrubs on netplay.

>> No.9878524
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>>9878499
Well it is a generalisation, but it is true in most cases

>>9878504
You just have to practice. Play every single day for at least 30-60 min. Preferably on Normal, but if you can't do that, go for Easy. You will see progress pretty quickly.

>> No.9878531

>>9878518
But then you didn't beat it.

>> No.9878548

>>9878531
W-whatever, I bet I can beat you at other games!

>> No.9878557

>>9878517
Because not everyone wants a challenge? Maybe they just want to play the game without care?

>> No.9878569

Depends on your definition of primaries and secondaries.

My guess on /jp/ are (Just pulling this out of my ass):

People who have played at least one official game: 98-100%
People who have played and cleared at least one official game on any difficulty: 80%
People who have played and 1cc'ed at least one official game on normal or higher difficulty: 50%
People who plays official games on a usual basis: 40%
People who likes Touhou more because of the media produced than for the games: 70%
People who enjoy more playing fan-made games: 70%
People who discovered Touhou by fan-made material: 95%

>> No.9878575

Secondaries by a landslide.

>> No.9878578

>>9878557
I stand by what i said.
Anything less then extreme is casual.

>> No.9878581

>>9878524
What's true, the fact that there are varying levels of interest amongst the fans? Yes, yes it is.

There's virtually no real incentive to place these inane labels upon them, however.

>> No.9878593

>>9878569
You are too optimistic.

>> No.9878599

>>9878569
Posters or browsers in general?

>> No.9878600

>>9878569
You are the right amounts of optimistic.

>> No.9878618

>>9878593
>>9878600
I want to believe.

>>9878599
People who likes Touhou.

Not everyone on /jp/ likes it. I've seen a few that filter/hide any Touhou-related thread.

>> No.9878625

>>9878519
My internet connection is too shit to play online without huge lag, so I just play fighting games alone.

>> No.9878647

I don't even know if I'm a primary or a secondary. I don't really care about "touhou culture", except the music, and I've been playing the games regularly for 5 months, but I can't get past stage 4 in normal without continuing.

>> No.9878668

Secondaries by far, but there's really no point in distinguishing between the two. Both groups have extremely obnoxious people anyway.

>> No.9878706

I like touhou for the futa doujins.

>> No.9878712

At least I'm not a grimdark secondary.

>> No.9878716

>>9878712
Dolls_in_Pseudo_Paradise.zip.rar.exe

>> No.9878720

/a/v/b/ crossboarders.

>> No.9878737

>>9878720
>>>/q/

>> No.9878738

>>9878433

Clammy actually owns iM@S 2.

>> No.9878792
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I guess I'm a secondary. I've played EoSD for a few hours and tried a few others, but I've spent quite a bit of time on doujin Touhou stuff.

Thing is though, I love shmups, I just don't care for danmaku. Pic related, I find it to be much more enjoyable than any of the Touhou games I played.

>> No.9878813

I am convinced that /jp/ is mostly tertiaries.

>> No.9878814

>>9878499
The terms don't need to be "validated". They have meanings, if you fit into their meanings, then you are one of the terms.
>>9878738
I have a friend that owns imas 2 as well. It just sits on his shelf and he never plays it, preferring to just look at fanart and videos on youtube. And does Clammy actually make the idolmaster threads? It seems more like he just shows up and image dumps in them.

>> No.9878826

>>9878716
ZUN retconed that away a long time ago and gets mad when people even bring it up.

>> No.9878834

>>9878831
You never had a point.

>> No.9878831

>>9878814
Nothing needs to be anything. That's not the point.

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>>9878838
What if, like, we're all really just secondaries, man? What if there's no such thing as a primary? Woahhhh.

>> No.9878838

>>9878834
I never had one. That doesn't mean one doesn't exist.

>> No.9878845

>>9878839
That's a question.

>> No.9878857
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>>9878845
...what?

>> No.9878867

Am I a secondary if I have played all the games, but only been able to beat a few of them? (Fighting games on lunatic, EoSD and PCB on normal)

>> No.9878877

>>9878857
It's a question!

>> No.9878886

>>9878867
In my books, a primary is someone who is a fan of the source material. It doesn't matter if you suck at the games, not every one is good at that kinda stuff. What's important is that you've experienced, and know the source material.

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>>9878877
What's a question?

>> No.9878909

>>9878895
>a sentence in an interrogative form, addressed to someone in order to get information in reply.

From our good friends at dictionary place.

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>>9878909
woahhhh

>> No.9878920

>>9878914
Good to see you.

>> No.9878929

>>9878647
Then you are a primary. You like the games in them selves and the story directly from the games. Doesn't matter that you aren't good in playing the games.

A secondary doesn't care much for the games, but is much more into the fan-made culture and media.

>> No.9878990

I'm mostly a secondary but I have played most of the games and don't post about shit I know nothing about.

A lurking blight you might say.

>> No.9878992
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9878992

Secondary and tertiary came from futaba. Secondary is another way of describing derivative works (same thing different translation), so calling a poster a secondary is implying that they mostly are familiar with secondary works. It is sometimes used as a way of calling someone out on their bullshit. Tertiary works are those that are derivatives of derivatives, or basically are based off of fanon. Tertiaries are those who are familiar with tertiary works.

Sometimes this distinction is difficult to make, because unless you are very familiar with the original work you may not be able to tell secondary and tertiary works apart. If you are familiar with the original work then you can ask whether the derivative tries to portray the original setting pretty accurately. As far as I can tell, primary is only used on /jp/ to describe the fans of the original work, but futaba does not seem to have a term for it.

I hope this helps.

>> No.9879003

There's no reason to use these words unless you're a big elitist meaniehead, or you're doing some sort of documentary.

>> No.9878999

>>9878990
>and don't post about shit I know nothing about
Thank you. You are an exemplary poster.

>> No.9879027

>>9879003
You're absolutely right, my secondary friend.

>> No.9879031

>>9879003
I'm doing an unrelated documentary on big elitist meanieheads. We cool?

>> No.9879056

>>9878992
Great description. Gonna save this for future discussions of this topic.

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9879062

It doesn't matter, you're all Tou-bros to me.

>> No.9879071

>>9879027
Jokes on you, I'm a quaternary.

>> No.9879078

>>9879071
Generally there is no distinction made between tertiary works and anything that is farther removed from the original than that, as there really is no point to making that distinction.

>> No.9879080

>>9879078
There's no point in making any distinction as there is no incentive to doing so.

>> No.9879085

>>9879080
Of course there is an incentive. Secondaries = people who don't know what they're talking about in regard to canon. Secondaries = people I don't want to associate with. That is the incentive to me for making a distinction.

>> No.9879088

>>9879080
It is very useful for discussing derivative works and how they do or do not relate to the original work.

>> No.9879114

Shitposters.

>> No.9879118

>>9878569
Here's a more conservative estimate:

People who have 1cc'd multiple games 0.5%
People who have 1cc'd at least one game 1%
People who have completed the main storyline of at least one game 1-2%
People who can play well enough to impress a NORP 1-2%

People who have yet to graduate to easy, but intend or would like to do so 2%
People who play the shooters casually 1-5% (fluctuates based on the seasons)
People who picked up touhou and played it for a week or so before deciding that shooters are for the birds 15%

Secondaries are hard to gauge but usually comprise a large majority of /jp/'s population

This is followed by a small number of tertiaries, where turnover is high due to the ephemeral nature of the board and the high saturation of game discussion and doujin material

>> No.9879132

>>9879118
>This is followed by a small number of tertiaries, where turnover is high due to the ephemeral nature of the board and the high saturation of game discussion and doujin material
Judging by the amount of misinformation about the project, the tertiary group is undeniably the largest on /jp/.

>> No.9879133

>>9879118
What I would like to see is the presence of these various ranks of /jp/ posters based on post volume.

Or the relationship between ability in shooters and presence of autism spectrum disorders.

>> No.9879139

>>9879133
Tough luck

>> No.9879140

>>9879132
That's why I said secondaries are hard to gauge. It's my guess that many "secondaries" are tertiaries in transition, or people who are intentionally shitposting tertiary work. Or both.

>> No.9879148

primaries on /jp/ are a myth

>> No.9879155

Are the official fanbooks and fighting games primary material?

>> No.9879176

>>9879155
>primary material
There isn't such a thing.

The Primary and Secondary classifications were made up by someone who was tired of seeing fanon jokes.

>> No.9879180

>>9879155
The fighting games as well as ZUN's contributions to the official fanbooks are official, so they could be considered primary if you must use the term. The rest of the fanbooks are secondary works. Please note that secondary doesn't mean bad, it just means that it is a derivative. The fanbooks are very good examples of secondary works because the contributors sought feedback from ZUN to try to be closer to the original works. Some other examples of works that would be considered secondary but not tertiary are works by people who also contributed to official works, like rocketfuel21.

>> No.9879191

>>9879176
This is what secondaries want you to believe.

>> No.9879192

>>9879176
Secondary is technically a more accurate translation of the term that ZUN uses to describe derivative works. Primary is /jp/'s way of saying original.

>> No.9879199

Only ones I hate are the WOAH NARUTO BLEACH YAOI con faggots cause even their anime fandom is surface only. If someone likes Touhou cause of the music or something else who cares. As long as they are into it for real and not some "cause it is popular" faggotry.

Played all but the last one, Ten desires. Left Touhou gaming for almost a year due to the elitist faggots at poosh. Got hooked on more fangames of touhou than I like to admit, and really got into the music after playing the games. I play casual though none of this 3days nonstop lunatic piss in a bottle stuff.

>> No.9879241

So what is the definition of a primary?

I regularly play the games but there's no way in a million years that I'll be skilled enough to 1cc any of them, even IN.

>> No.9879255

>>9879241
Primary does not have a clear definition because we did not get it from futaba like we did with the other terms. Loosely we use it for people who are most familiar with the original works.

>> No.9879251
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Secondaries pretending to be primaries. Like me. The only games that are fun are the Aya ones.

>> No.9879327

I'm trying to 1cc any of the touhou games, but I can't choose which one I want to start with, I keep switching between them because I like them all

Also what is the most efficient way to work towards 1ccing lunatic, playing on lunatic over and over even though you get beat pretty early on, or working your way through easy > normal > hard up to lunatic

>> No.9879354

>>9879327
I did both.

>> No.9879363

Single player games like Touhou are boring. No competition like multiplayer games and it gets boring fast.

Anyone who takes pride in being a "primary" should re-evaluate themselves.

>> No.9879372

>>9879363
>Single player games like Touhou are boring
This is an opinion.
>No competition like multiplayer games
This is wrong.
>Anyone who takes pride in being a "primary" should re-evaluate themselves
This is an opinion.

>> No.9879388

>>9879372
Thanks for the analysis anon. Don't know what we'd do without you.

>> No.9879401

>>9879372

This was some insane autism

>> No.9881928

>>9879199
Why do you let some idiots on a website decide what you should like and do? Can't you enjoy the games regardless of "the elitist faggots at poosh"?

>> No.9881961

I don't really like touhou or read VNs. I just come here for the super interesting OT threads.

So, would a so called 'shitposter' be Primary or Secondaries?

>> No.9881964

Don't know the difference between primary or secondary but I've cleared touhou 6, 8, 9, 9.5, 12.5, 12.8, 13 on various difficulties. I don't care that much about the fandom. I don't remember if i heard about the fandom or the games first.

>> No.9881982

>>9881961
Shitposters are tertiaries.

>> No.9882003

>>9881964
see
>>9878929

>> No.9882008

Fuck this thread, I'm octonary.

>> No.9882023

>>9882003
Thanks

>>9878647
>can't get past stage 4 in normal without continuing
Try to play on a higher difficulty and get used to it. I always start playing Touhou games on Hard or Insane, then switching down to normal, which makes it a cakewalk.

>> No.9882025

>>9881964
But 10 is the easiest.

>> No.9882084

>>9878578
Nothing wrong with being casual and enjoying games. This isn't /v/ we take it easy here.

>> No.9882401

>>9882025
IN is easiest the... easiest game.

>> No.9882467

Nerds.

>> No.9882654

>>9882401
MoF

>> No.9882909

>>9879251
>Aya games
>Obnoxious reflex-unfriendly controls that aren't even the same between games
>Fun

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And yes, I'm saying this despite being so bad that I can't reach stage 6 of MoF on Normal without continues. Shame on me.

>> No.9882917

>>9882909
You're silly. If you were good, it would be a reflex friendly game. Maybe you should take the time to actually learn how to play.

>> No.9882934

>>9882401

Everyone has different weaknesses and strengths. I think PCB or TD are the easiest. GFW if we're counting side games.

>> No.9882937

virgins

>> No.9883006

I'd dislike to use the terms "primaries" and "secondaries" because the idea of what these actually mean seems to differ from person to person.

Instead, I'd try to think of it as users who truly enjoy and understand Touhou for what it is (original works as a whole), and those who don't, but (in this case,) still partake in Touhou threads on /jp/.

Sometimes, it's possible to see if a user really knows Touhou or not from the way they post, but not always. Either way, my impression is that /jp/ today has a much less easily defined user-base than it did a few years back. Also, that there are a wider spectra of different kind of users. I get the feeling that there are more people who are new to Touhou, and therefore might have different input than more experienced fans, but also that there are less "serious" users who are more likely to spoil chances of serious discussion. But it's hard to say if these people last mentioned are Touhou fans or not, or if they are trolling, or just aren't interested in or capable of discussion Touhou.

>> No.9883119

>>9883006
I would like to introduce the terms

"East-Friends"

People who love toho and all of it's works and fun facts.

"Middle East-Dogs"

People who pretend to like toho because of porn or characters.

>> No.9883140

>>9883119
That's racist. /jp/ is a board for friends, buddy. Racists can leave.

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Who gives a shit? As long as you like Touhou and aren't a meme spamming faggot, you're okay with me.

>> No.9883235

>>9883006
>Instead, I'd try to think of it as users who truly enjoy and understand Touhou for what it is (original works as a whole), and those who don't, but (in this case,) still partake in Touhou threads on /jp/.

What you describe here is what most call primaries and secondaries. You just made the definitions of primaries or secondaries. What's wrong with the already established terms? What new terms do you want to use to describe the very exact groups?

>> No.9883262

I know this is not the place to ask about this but...
Does anyone have a picture of Yukari with "Not Touhou" written on it?

>> No.9883288

>>9883262
Why should we help you shitpost?

>> No.9883296

I've played all of the games on different settings (mostly normal/hard), but haven't beaten any of them.
I wish I wasn't so bad at video games outside of farm simulation shit.

>> No.9883304

>>9883288
No I'm not going to use it, I swear
I don't even hang on /jp/ much

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