/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Why does Japan have such weird laws?

On one hand prostitution is legal and they care very little about child pornography, but on the other hand they're one of the few nations that have taken a serious stance against piracy and actually enforced it, they censor their porn, they will throw you in prison for years if you use any recreational substance aside from cigarettes or alcohol, and gambling is completely illegal.

The closest you can get to gambling in Japan is pachinko and that game is awful. Not only is it more mindnumbing than a slot machine, but pachinko parlors are as loud as a jet.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>9863582
All I read was the first line.
Getting nuked will do that to you.
It emasculated all of Japan.

That is the short version OP.
The Yakuza have always handled gambling.
No gambling goes all the way back to the Edo period law. Suppression that they think helps people in the long run. They don't want Yakuza getting anymore money than they do now. If gambling were to be legal than the Yakuza would make much much more. The yakuza have the means to invest and operate the Gambling ring.

[Anonymous No.]

Prostitutes, an attraction to little girls, and alcoholism is protected Japanese culture.

Drugs that aren't native to Japan and casinos are not Japanese and contaminate Japan's culture and make them even more westernized than they already are.

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>>9863582
you mean AWESOME laws don't you?

Legalized prostitution is the way to go.
Everyone loves some cp. The japanese seem to love a bit more...
Using drugs and gambling is for faggots anyway, so who cares.
And who cares about censored porn if you have legalized prostitution?

The piracy thing sucks tough.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9863582
Is prostitution being legal weird? It's legal in Canada. And I thought the censoring of porn was because of the yankees. I give them a thumbs up for their anti-drug laws. I'm growing tired of all these pro-drug hippies.

[Anonymous No.]

They have so much potential to be the master race.
I guess it would just be too easy, so they like to throw some laws in there to mix things up a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

Japan is very strict on drugs because the only drug problems that they have experienced were very bad.

Marijuana and lighter drugs were not commonly used in Japan, but meth was huge. Japan first synthesized methamphetamine and later on they synthesized crystal meth. In WW2 every soldier was given meth and after WW2 all of the civilians were now using meth. Basically everyone was using meth.

When a westerner thinks of drug users they normally think of potheads, that easy-going and lazy hippie is the stereotypical image, but in Japan they think of intensely aggressive tweakers or opium fiends when they think of drug use. Their culture doesn't really have any historical examples of light drug use to look towards aside from alcohol.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get what's so great about legal prostitution. If I was going to go out of my way to contract AIDS from some soulless dried-up husk that used to be a woman, I sure as hell better not be paying for the privilege to do so.

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>>9863647
>I'm growing tired of all these pro-drug hippies.

I'd rather let some retards smoke pot than crowd the prison system and waste money on non-violent criminals.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9863666
>crowd the prison system
Then give them a hefty fine instead. No reason to make it legal.
>non-violent criminals
What the hell does that even mean? There are a ton of crimes that are non-violent that I'm sure you would not support the legalisation of.

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>>9863666
But what's to say they aren't using other stuff as well?

Drug users are drug users.

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>>9863676
Why prohibit it at all? The drug war is a colossal failure that's only created a lucrative market for cartels and ravaged inner cities with gang violence.

Japan doesn't have either of these problems so their prohibition laws are fine but I still don't see why they're necessary.

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>>9863665
It's good for people who have special fetishes that have nothing to do with unprotected sex. There aren't only drug addicted street-hookers. Many only do it with protection anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the crime rate in Japan like compared to USA and euro countries?

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9863683
You can never stop people from committing crimes. You can never stop the "drug war", but why is that an argument for the legalisation of it? You can never stop piracy, does that mean we should legalise it instead of wasting money trying to fight it? We can never stop child porn, does that mean we should legalise it instead of wasting money trying to fight it?

There are enough annoying, loser ass, human trash potheads around here as it is. I don't need to see any more.

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>>9863696
Ridiculously low.

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>>9863647

>I give them a thumbs up for their anti-drug laws

The problem is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Prisons in Japan are terrifying. Prisons in the U.S are terrifying because they're so out of control that the other inmates are more dangerous than the prison itself, but Japan's prison are terrifying because they are sadistically efficient. You will spend most of your time forced to sit in a space that's so small that you can barely move and you will be in that solitary confinement indefinitely.

Do drug users really deserve that? The only difference between the average Japanese prison and Guantanamo Bay is that they don't typically sodomize their prisoners in Japan.

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>>9863666
Prison system is a growth industry that involves all members of society. From the well-educated lawyers, to blue-collar construction workers, and everything in between. The more people you get passing in, and out, the more money is flowing. Unjust laws have a place, too. All those man hours spent by righteous people motivated to get rid off stupid restrictions supports the judicial industry, too.

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>>9863679
alchohol's a drug too XD

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>>9863700
Is the drug war a war worth fighting? Surely you could argue that fighting child pornography protects children but who does drug prohibition protect? Adults from making their own decisions?

When it comes to how much money is lost working against cartels and locking up non dangerous criminals it doesn't seem worth it. Let the drug users support the economy. Who gives a shit? No one is being harmed when they do drugs except for themselves and that's their prerogative.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't see a problem with those laws.

[Anonymous No.]

I just don't get the censored genitalia thing.

It definitely seems like some outdated western puritan concept that somehow infiltrated into japan.

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>>9863756
Yeah that was always odd to me too.

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>>9863700

>You can never stop the "drug war", but why is that an argument for the legalisation of it?

The war on drugs doesn't attempt to stop anything though. The only thing that it does is give money to drug dealers.

It's harder for young people to get alcohol than it is for them to get hard drugs. Drug dealers are every where and they don't ask for your ID. Even if drugs were only regulated to the same degree as alcohol than it would do far more to stop the use of hard drugs than anything the supposed war on drugs has done, especially in stopping the use of drugs by children.

If people want to use a drug then they will always find a way to get it and there will always be someone eager to sell it to them. When you criminalize drugs though, the people who sell it to them are now violent criminals and these people are now able to sell these drugs at prohibition prices which can be several hundred times the price that the drug would be selling for if it wasn't illegal. This makes drug dealers become filthy rich and it makes the business of selling illegal drugs so hugely lucrative that even if you take down a drug cartel then several more will spring up to take its place.

Drug dealers love the war on drugs. Without it they would have nothing. Some of the biggest opponents of legalization are lobbyists that are hired by cartels since they absolutely do not want the war on drugs to ever end.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9863706
>The problem is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
This isn't something unique to Japan, or unique to drugs. There are a lot of punishments, for a lot of crimes, worldwide, that don't fit.

It shouldn't be much of a problem in Japan though for this specific issue, because honestly, how many people in Japan smoke weed? And these people who smoke weed there, no what they're getting into, know how illegal it is, and know what the consequences are if they're caught. You reap what you sow as far as I am concerned.

And either way, realistically, what would you expect Japan to do? All of a sudden, reduce the punishment for drugs, when nobody in Japan really wants that?

>>9863724
>Is the drug war a war worth fighting?
In my opinion, yea. It's much more worth fighting that shit like the war in Iraq, and it doesn't cost nearly as much. And the drug war covers much more than simply marijuana.
>but who does drug prohibition protect
It protects the health of the society. And honestly, the general populace is far too stupid to be trusted to make intelligent decisions. That's why we have governments. That's why we have laws.

Regardless, any which way you wanna slice it, America is a democracy. And when California had that referendum or whatever on legalising marijuana, they voted no.

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>>9863769
>That's why we have governments. That's why we have laws.
No we have those to protect our rights and liberty, in theory. They are certainly not there to mandate how we live. At least in terms of things that affect ourselves and only ourselves such as drugs.

>And when California had that referendum or whatever on legalising marijuana, they voted no.
Granted, although I think those people are misguided from the vast amounts of retarded drug propaganda that's been circling for years. There's so many lies in your average DARE program it's unbelievable.
I find it odd you would argue that the populace is too retarded to make wise decisions and yet point towards their decisions as a reason drugs should stay illegal.

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>>9863756
>some outdated western puritan concept that somehow infiltrated into japan.
That's EXACTLY what it is. I think it's a leftover from the Meiji Restoration.

>>9863724
>Is the drug war a war worth fighting?
No. There aren't armies of latent junkies just waiting for legalization. Anyone who wants drugs can get them whenever they want. All the drug war does is waste billions of dollars every year and flood our jails and prisons with nonviolent criminals.

If you want to see how effective the War on Drugs is, look at prohibition. The same shit is happening right now; back then it was mob groups, now it's drug cartels.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9863784
>No we have those to protect our rights and liberty, in theory.
If that is all a government did the country would fall apart.

In a democracy the government gets a mandate from the people to work for the people. The people don't want marijuana, and especially not harder drugs, to be legal. Therefore they are illegal.

>At least in terms of things that affect ourselves and only ourselves such as drugs.
Watching child porn would affect myself and only myself, but I doubt that will be legal any time soon, so I can't do it. Stupid governments trying to control my life.

>I find it odd you would argue that the populace is too retarded to make wise decisions and yet point towards their decisions as a reason drugs should stay illegal.
Because my point was, at the end of the day, America is a democracy, and unless the people want it to be legal (which they don't) it will not be legal. You can blame various groups all you want, but the majority do not want it legal, and majority rules. If you don't like it, you should move somewhere that isn't a democracy, or start trying to convince the people.

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>>9863700
If you look history around the world drug prohibition does very little to stop people from doing drugs. On the other hand it does make doing drugs significantly more dangerous, worse, illegal drugs fund massive criminal organizations that do all sorts of nasty murderous shit. Taxpayers spend tons of money both funding police to find people using/selling drugs and paying for a massive prison system to house people who aren't actually dangerous. Cops also end up spending time chasing this bullshit instead of solving more important crimes.

Drug laws dont work and enforcement causes more harm than the drugs themselves would and wastes massive amounts of money.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9863811
>If you look history around the world drug prohibition does very little to stop people from doing drugs.
Seems to be working fine in Japan.

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>>9863811
Exactly, its a waste of resources all around.

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>>9863802
>If that is all a government did the country would fall apart.
I can't say anything other than I disagree with you, any extension beyond that I think is reaching too far. I'll give social programs a pass and government funded safety cushions a pass because they aren't restricting the rights of other people.
>Watching child porn would affect myself and only myself, but I doubt that will be legal any time soon, so I can't do it. Stupid governments trying to control my life.
This actually makes sense, Japan has the right idea with outlawing distribution but not criminalizing possession. Such an idea is far too radical to ever gain ground in America though.
>Because my point was, at the end of the day, America is a democracy
We're in accord, I'm just stating my opinion on the matter. I still don't think the drug war is at all effective and a good use of the governments' money.

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>>9863802
>If that is all a government did the country would fall apart.

America pre-20th century would like a world with you.

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>>9863769

>It protects the health of the society.

It does the exact opposite though. Just look at the gang problems in the U.S and the massive amount of crime. These gangs are armed by the drug trade and there is also no quality control so half the time they are dealing things which are horribly impure and far more harmful than they would be if they were manufactured legally and not cooked up by some gang of highschool dropouts in a trailer.

Crimes committed by drug users are typically
committed by crack fiends or heroin addicts and they commit these crimes because the drugs are so overpriced that stealing is the easiest way for them to get the amount of money they need to fund their addiction. Without drug prohibition then the prices would plummet and these people could afford drugs without needing to steal.

The situation today is even worse than the prohibition of alcohol in the U.S. Not only did it make the gangsters rich, but so many people died from the toxic bathtub alcohol they were cooking up or died in the many skirmishes against the gangsters who were smuggling alcohol.

>And when California had that referendum or whatever on legalising marijuana, they voted no.

And many of the people who voted against it were not people who opposed marijuana. It's actually the opposite. All of those people up in Northern California that grow the fields of marijuana and supply the dispensaries and the people who own the dispensaries were strongly against legalization because it destroys their business. They would not be making any where near the amount of money that they are making today if marijuana had been completely legalized in California.

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>>9863802
>America is a democracy
It's a republic, but hardly a democracy. The selected representative of the people is more often than not representing a minority. It's one of the basic problems with the first past the post system.

>>9863814
That's a faulty assumption. It could be that their collectivist culture frowns upon such behavior, naturally discouraging the populace from engaging in it.

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>>9863819
> I'll give social programs a pass and government funded safety cushions a pass because they aren't restricting the rights of other people.

Yeah stealing from people and distributing it to others isn't restricting anyone's rights. Oh I forgot, stealing is alright is the government does it.

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>>9863823
You'll be saying that until they help you. Look towards the hoover administration if you want an example of what happens without those programs and shit goes sour for the average man.

I'm no liberal, but I can support some of the concepts.

[diamond !fhR6mn729o No.]

>>9863593
u wot m8?

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>>9863814
Their tactics are a bit different. The shame culture prevents many people from even considering it, and that kind of shaming isn't limited to drug use as you know. It isn't quite comparable to america.

Additionally their drug education is even worse than ours. Most people in Japan think marijuana is as harmful as heroin and causes instant psychosis.

They also really aren't that successful at preventing the use of amphetamines which gained popularity in japan for whatever reason.

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>>9863835
>You'll be saying that until they help you.

Robbing a bank isn't alright if you distribute the money to poor people. Theft is theft, whether the government helps people with the money it steals is beside the point.

>Look towards the hoover administration if you want an example of what happens without those programs and shit goes sour for the average man.

Pic related.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9863818
Pre-20th Century America is not a place I would like to live. Also
>would like a world with you.

>>9863820
>Just look at the gang problems in the U.S and the massive amount of crime.
America has gang problems because of its amount of minorities. And America has high crime in general, not just crime related to drug trade.

>All of those people up in Northern California that grow the fields of marijuana and supply the dispensaries and the people who own the dispensaries were strongly against legalization because it destroys their business. They would not be making any where near the amount of money that they are making today if marijuana had been completely legalized in California.
Do you honestly think those people make up a sizeable amount of the voters? 5,300,000 Californians voted no. I doubt even 100k people who voted no did so because they are growers and it would ruin their business. That's just ridiculous you'd even suggest that.

>>9863822
>The selected representative of the people is more often than not representing a minority.
It's a good thing we have the results of an actual vote by the people on the issue of marijuana then, to see what they really think.

>>9863843
>It isn't quite comparable to america.
Sure, I get that. After all they don't have to share a border with a shitty country like Mexico. The issue was originally on drugs in Japan though, and if they are having a fine time stopping drugs there, they have no reason to stop what they are doing.

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>>9863843
>amphetamines which gained popularity in japan for whatever reason
It's popular amongst working women last I heard for the same reasons it got popular with working women here in the States. They need the energy.

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>>9863823
If your dad pays taxes then he should be entitled to your entitlement of autismbux.

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>>9863582
>On one hand prostitution is legal
But you're wrong.

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>>9863854
Taxes are theft.

>>9863852
>Pre-20th Century America is not a place I would like to live

Not enough handouts for you, kiddo?

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>>9863845
You sure that chart doesn't have anything to do with the dismal conditions during the depression and 2nd world war and the following economic boom? Tell me how much you would enjoy not having unemployment insurance.

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>>9863814

>Seems to be working fine in Japan.

It only works because most of the people just don't want the drugs. You could legalize drugs in Japan and that number would not rise very much at all because the strong stigma and shame of drug use would still be there. Drug use is not big in Japan because Japanese citizens don't want the drugs. Their lack of interest has more to do with their culture's perception of drugs and very little to do with measures that their government takes to crack down on people who use drugs.

Even so though, the Yakuza make just as much money because they can sell one gram of meth at a price equivalent to maybe 20-30 grams of meth in a country like the U.S. The price of the drug rises based on how strictly it is enforced and drug addicts will find a way to pay whatever price you are asking if you're the only one that's selling.

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>>9863852
You're a terrible poster.

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>>9863862
>Taxes are theft.
That's a pretty radical way to think.

What would be your ideal form of government? Just curious.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9863862
I don't get any handouts. I don't believe in that stuff.
>>9863868
Keep up the quality posts, anon.

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>>9863852
>It's a good thing we have the results of an actual vote by the people on the issue of marijuana then, to see what they really think.
Right, problems of democracy aside, what they feel on the issue doesn't necessitate actualization by our political system. In fact, it will never happen unless the system wants it to happen.

I would like to see your sources as I'm curious as to how the majority views marijuana.

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>>9863871
>That's a pretty radical way to think.

Not really. I don't think it's right for anybody to steal from others.

>What would be your ideal form of government?

I'm a minarchist.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9863877
>I would like to see your sources as I'm curious as to how the majority views marijuana.
From what I hear, California is one of the most pro-marijuana states in the US. In 2010, they had a vote on the legalisation of it. The majority voted no. I would take that as meaning the majority does not want marijuana legalised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_(2010)#Outcome

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>>9863886
The coastal areas are very liberal, San Francisco for instance. But it's not as left-wing as people make it out to be, we overturned the proposition that legalized gay marriage.

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>>9863884

Heh, you'll be hard pressed to find too many people to agree to that.
Commendable but I think it would be difficult to get something like that to work on a large scale.

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>>9863852

>America has gang problems because of its amount of minorities.

What do you think attracts minorities to joining gangs in the first place though? It's the money that they can easily make from selling drugs. There are gangs in the ghettos that are armed to the teeth with extremely deadly and expensive weapons and these weapons were bought with the huge amount of money that they make from drugs. If you're a minority in some street gang then drugs are your best option to make money, the only other options available to them are smash and grab robberies or low level prostitution and neither make any where near as much money as selling drugs.

>And America has high crime in general, not just crime related to drug trade.

Almost all organized crime is related to the drug trade because the drug trade is the backbone of organized crime. The vast majority of criminal organizations are funded by drugs because it's the easiest way to make a lot of money very fast. They might participate in other crimes like gun running or white collar crimes, but they have the means to do this because of the money they make from drugs.

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>>9863886
Ah, I live in California and I remember this prop. From what I heard even marijuana smokers were against it because it doesn't protect anyone from federal law, and brings taxes and further regulation into their weed. Getting a marijuana card/script here is as easy as walking into a doctors office with fifty bucks, and with it already decriminalized, prop 19 is just a hassle.

I question if those numbers are actually reflective of state opinion on the matter.

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>>9863886
There was a fairly big movement in california to vote no as it wasn't "total legalization". I lived there at the time.

It may not have skewed the votes enough to make the difference in the end but it's worth noting.

Personally I see legalization of marijaun happening within the decade. At least in california.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't mind people doing drugs, but I hate most drug users.

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>>9863886

California is a big place, it's almost the size of the entire east coast but it's just one huge state. The opinions of people in various areas of California can be as diverse as the opinions of someone living in New York compared to someone living in Georgia.

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>>9863769
Kill yourself.

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>>9863906

>federal law

I don't even use drugs and this whole thing makes me angry.

I'm always reading about the feds coming in and arresting the people who own dispensaries. What the hell is going on in this country? Federal laws shouldn't even exist and they certainly shouldn't be able to override state laws.

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>>9863938
>Federal laws shouldn't even exist and they certainly shouldn't be able to override state laws.

Why didn't you listen?

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>>9863938
Yeah it's a crock of shit and it happens pretty often.

Officially the federal government doesn't recognize California's laws for medical marijuana. Whenever they want they can come in and confiscate someone's livelihood.

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>>9863946
There's still gary johnson.

He has a chance right?

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>>9863946

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7wK5qaNOtY

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>>9863938
Yeah, it's fucking backwards. There are old and sick people that legitimately need marijuana, but Feds really don't give a shit. I can't even begin to understand why they even care so much. It's fucking weed.

>>9863950
I wish. I'm still voting him, but the third parties will never win so long as our current voting system utilizes FPTP. What's really sinister is that I heard Ron Paul will be on some ballots in some states, but not others, effectively splitting the libertarian vote.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9863930
Drug addiction rate? Does marijuana even fall under that? And according to that, the population of drug addicts in 1970 was about 2.5 million people, and in 2010 almost double that. So obviously more money will be spent. Then you have to consider that for example, 1 billion dollars in 1974 is the same as over 4 billion dollars today. Obviously spending will rise while the drug addiction % stays the same, when you take population growth, value of dollar, etc into account. Your graph is somewhat misleading.

[Anonymous No.]

Ameri-san! Ameri-san? Why 80% more people die because of war on drugs than war in Iraq? :3

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>>9863978
In the end we're still spending an absurd amount of money for absolutely no effect.

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>>9863977
Oh... Forgot to mention... Your people...

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>>9863978
Of course, due to inflation, more money will be spent, but it's quite clear that there's a disproportionate amount of money being pumped into fruitless efforts. The War on Drugs doesn't do anything to help the addict, it only perpetuates a system that exacerbates his condition. We're seeing nonviolent criminals go into jail for drug possession and come out gang members.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9863989
>spending an absurd amount of money for absolutely no effect.
Isn't that business as usual in America?
>>9863994
>We're seeing nonviolent criminals go into jail for drug possession and come out gang members.
I don't understand why it's always treated like there are only two options though. People make it sound like you either continue the war on drugs, or you legalise drugs. Why does it have to be that way? Why can't the prison/justice system be improved? Why not rather than imprisoning potheads, we find other, more constructive ways to punish them? Like community service, or a fine, or something like that.

I'm sure there are problems with the way America approaches it's drug issues, but it's not like the only alternative is to legalise them.

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>>9864013
>Isn't that business as usual in America?
I can't tell if you're joking but we should try to stop that yeah?
>Why can't the prison/justice system be improved? Why not rather than imprisoning potheads, we find other, more constructive ways to punish them? Like community service, or a fine, or something like that.
For what purpose though? Legalization would solve many problems with gang violence and crime while also stimulating the economy.

Is there any reason why it should be illegal?

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>>9864018
>Is there any reason why it should be illegal?

Things I don't like should be banned.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9864018
Because the people might not want it to be legal at the moment, so why not find more constructive ways to combat it? If the country really wanted it to be legal, then sure. But I don't think they do, and I don't think either parties will legalise it soon. So rather than a one or the other, why not work in steps.

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>>9864013
>why can't the prison/justice system be improved? Why not rather than imprisoning potheads, we find other, more constructive ways to punish them? Like community service, or a fine, or something like that

Legalization seems like the natural followup, but it would be difficult to implement with our current cultural mentality regarding drugs. What would be most effective is decriminalization to clean up our jails and institutions. What I've long argued for is the establishment of better rehab/diversion programs and education rather than pumping money into a broken, unwinnable "war".

We don't have to legalize anything, but throwing this much money away to deal with the symptoms of a larger problem, and exacerbating it in the process, is just illogical.

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>>9864029
I suppose I'd be fine with that and I guess I have to realize my opinion on the issue is more extreme than most people.

We're just wasting so much money on this pointless shit I'd rather we be done with it entirely.

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>>9864018
I'd think the all the money that goes into building prisons, training police officers, processing felons, and the like are more stimulating to the economy than allowing anything short of a total privatization of drug production aimed at mass consumption. We already have the infrastructure built to fight a never-ending war against something that doesn't really matter. It's not like this industry of convicting pot-heads is going to let itself be destroyed; it has a very sweet deal going on with no end in sight.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>9864042
Well, I imagine America will have to reduce spending on it sooner or later, what with its massive debt and all.

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Autism speaks: unfounded political theories edition.

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>>9864029

>Because the people might not want it to be legal at the moment

This shouldn't matter. We should adopt decriminalization laws similar to the one in Argentina.

>The ruling has decriminalized the private consumption of narcotics by adults, on the condition that said possession and consumption does not infringe upon the health, property or rights of any third party.

This makes perfect sense. Why should people have the right to decide what others do with their own bodies? Drug users need to stop being arrested, it's unjust to punish people for doing something that harms no one other than themselves.

If I can go to the store, buy a big can of paint, and guzzle it down then I should be able to use any drug that I want. Either way it's horrible for my health, but no one has the right to tell me what I can do to my own body and it's disgusting that our society has gotten to the point that we have laws that are so intrusive that they dictate what you can and cannot do to your own body.

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>>9864068
>If I can go to the store, buy a big can of paint, and guzzle it down then I should be able to use any drug that I want. Either way it's horrible for my health, but no one has the right to tell me what I can do to my own body and it's disgusting that our society has gotten to the point that we have laws that are so intrusive that they dictate what you can and cannot do to your own body.

To be fair, some drugs like PCP can severely alter your behavior, and might drive you to hurt others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9864160
you're more likely to hurt yourself and thats rare. alcohol does the same thing and no one in america or japan seems to care which is absolutely baffling.

If they just outlawed everything it'd at least be consistent, it'd still be dumb as hell since drug prohibitions cause much more harm than good (none) but at least it'd make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone in this thread is just so amazingly stupid. I hate you all.

[Anonymous No.]

del

[Anonymous No.]

>>9864242
Are you interested in vector calculus too? What's your favorite use of del? I like the gradient myself, but I know a lot of people prefer the curl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9864204
you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>9863700
>>9863814
What a fucktard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.]

In my country they give death sentence for anyone who sell drugs, its amazingly effective on keeping down the crime rate against it.

[Anonymous No.]

They are a sovereign nation and they can do whatever the fuck they want within their borders.

You don't run the world anymore, merishit.

[Anonymous No.]

So really, this thread was just an excuse for people to post a buncha the same edgy /pol/ shit people have been pushing since before there was a /new/?

Huh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9864466

[Anonymous No.]

i am a heron. i haev a long neck and i pick fish out of the water w/ my beak. if you dont repost this comment on 10 other pages i will fly into your kitchen tonight and make a mess of your pots and pans

[Anonymous No.]

>>9864466
Politics is as certain as death and taxes.

>>9864204
Smartest person in the board has arrived. We'd better step up the level of discussion for him.

[Anonymous No.]

i am a heron. i haev a long neck and i pick fish out of the water w/ my beak. if you dont repost this comment on 10 other pages i will fly into your kitchen tonight and make a mess of your pots and pans

[Anonymous No.]

𝕴 𝖜𝖆𝖘 𝖉𝖗𝖎𝖓𝖐𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖇𝖑𝖔𝖔𝖉 𝖇𝖊𝖋𝖔𝖗𝖊 𝖎𝖙 𝖇𝖊𝖈𝖆𝖒𝖊 𝖒𝖆𝖎𝖓𝖘𝖙𝖗𝖊𝖆𝖒

[Anonymous No.]

>>9864486

Haven't seen that one in a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9864497
Really? Not even in >>9864475?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9864475
/pol/ isn't actually politics, it's "Politically Incorrect"
But you're right, people seem to love their culty crap.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmYMzxA_U-c