/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Is Nama-Sensei reliable for Hiragana and Katakana ?

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

I'll never understand why people look at video lessons for this. Namasensei is entertaining, but it takes 10 minutes to introduce you to a handful of characters. In that time you could have familiarized yourself with maybe 20-30 characters.

This shit is simple. In the next five minutes I'll write the best guide that I've ever seen and it will only take two steps to get anyone to fluency.

Stage 1: The Blitzkrieg
KEEP MOVING AND KEEP KILLING, DON'T STOP. Disregard all that bullshit about information overload and taking breaks and all that garbage. Get anki or go to memrise or whatever. DRILL IT IN. GO. GO. GO. Don't stop until you're done. Blow kana out of the way and then start beating the shit out of kanji. Don't give an inch. Re-drill everything every single day, never take a break day, and always acquire new characters as you constantly secure your old characters. Burnout is a word invented by people who gave up. Keep drilling until your eyes are bleeding.

Stage 2: Secure the captured territories.
Re-drill your old work often so you don't forget. Now you need to learn grammar so get genki, something else, it doesn't matter. Next up is basic vocab. All this shit is simple, the war is already won. You're just mopping up now. Now start playing visual novels, expand your vocab as you go, and don't stop or you forget it all.

[Anonymous No.]

what's reliable is learning them and not being a dumb faggot.

he was fun though, I can appreciate alcoholism and Japanese study as much as the next man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9792418

WW3 Japanese sensei at german school

[Anonymous No.]

I think he's good if you want to drink while learning.

Beer and this guy made learning Kana fun

[Anonymous No.]

I think he's good if you want to drink while learning.

Beer and this guy made learning Kana fun

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, this ugly person again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9792470
if you're so beautiful post a picture of yourself faggot.

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>>9792470

Are you judging books by their covers?

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>>9792477
I value my privacy and comfort. Simple as that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9792477
me

[Anonymous No.]

>>9792510

You are nothing compared to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>9792510
>>9792513
Bitches please. I'm much prettier than they.

[Anonymous No.]

What means フリー in Romaji ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9792936

Free

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>>9792957
Or freelance~

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>>9792957
That's not romanji.

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>>9793058
"romanji" is not a word, you cockmouthed semengulper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9792936
Furii

[Anonymous No.]

He's unattractive, but his unattractiveness makes him cute in a strange way. Like a midget trying to be taken seriously.

I think his methods work because he's memorable, and silly things do help you remember information. However, his handwriting is terrible. He uses a lot of shorthand which looks nothing like printed kana. Obviously there are some differences between written and typed kana, and in English you learn "ɑ" before "a", but it's useful to have the "canonical" characters rather than how some drunk writes them.

[Anonymous No.]

Aside from his handwriting and his bouts of alcohol-induced fuckups, he's all right. Fun, at the very least.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get it. You can learn the kana in an hour or two. Did you spend more than a day learning the alphabet? And that was when you were like, two.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish I was nama-sensei's friend so bad :(

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>>9793165
And I mastered neuroscience in a week. But who cares, right?

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>>9793165
My nephew is learning the numbers and he cries because I tell him he's bad at it. He always says, "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 6, 7, 5, 3, 8..."
And this guy is like 2, so he has no excuse. His capacity to learn new information is far greater than that of an adult's.

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>>9793190
Hidoi desu ne. Also,
>that of an adult's
Oh, please.

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>>9793190
Wow, you should take him to a doctor. He might have autism.

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>>9793194
Human beings learn far more in childhood than adulthood. That saying about teaching an old dog new tricks applies to people too.

>>9793203
He doesn't, he's just stupid. And before anyone gets upset that I'm not "treating him like a child", fuck you. I'm not going to teach him it's okay to be bad at things. His parents do that enough already. Every parent should legally be required to read a book on reinforcement before they are allowed to speak to their child.

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>>9792418
I never understood how people can cram like that.
It's physically impossible to me.
First I lose the ability to follow sentences, then I literally can't remember what I read 2 words earlier.

I couldn't force myself to learn like that, the information would never register in my brain.

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>>9793220
>Human beings learn far more in childhood than adulthood.
It's a shame we barely teach anything in school then.
I learn the equivalent of years of high school math in a few months at university.

I honestly wonder what the hell I did in school and why my grades stayed constant since then, even though the complexity and quantity of the material increased immensely and I don't invest much more time.

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>>9793220
Actually, I was only snarkily pointing out your grammatical error. I thought it was humorous in an ironic way.

As for the actual subject of discussion, I both agree and disagree with you. While the brain certainly may be more of a sponge in our earlier years, it is not until late adolescence and beyond that our cerebral functions reach full maturity, and consequently, despite the relatively slowed learning, foster a more able mind overall. A peak in one area does not capacitate all; it's hardly fair to expect so much from a child -- no, a mere toddler. Terrible indeed.

But what do you care? Go on, destroy him.

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>>9793288
Woo woo! Look at /jp/, standing up for the children. You're a real model citizen.

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>>9793332
Idiot. You're acting like one yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

There are better sources to learn, but he's certainly a character. I watched his videos as a "supplement" to my kana learning and it helped.

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>>9793220
>Human beings learn far more in childhood than adulthood.

What? No way.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm currently just using him and a few other sites for practise. I really like the way he divides up the character lessons with fun shit, grammar and vocab.

i owuld say he's brilliant for people like me who are pretty slow and to be harsh with myself, a little stupid.

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

Nama-Sensei's always got one eye on his back for all you haters.

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>>9794097
It is actually sort of true. We're "smarter" overall as adults, but children learn more rapidly.

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>>9793136
He helped me remember け because of "ok" that's about it

[Anonymous No.]

he writes like shit. his い looks like quotation marks.

you could learn kana way quicker and faster from flashcard games.

[Anonymous No.]

I watched a few of his videos but then I realized I'd rather just drink than learn Japanese.

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>>9794179
i think i meant to say "easier and faster"

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>>9792418
Different anon here, but I support this guy
Here's some solid backing behind this.

100 kanji a a day for 15 days, then I burnt out, but ONLY because I had assignments and work. Working 10 hours at a restaurant and then needing to do 4 hours of cards is a bit much. If you are a neet you have NO excuse for not being able to do this.

This is where i'm at currently, I did heisigs because it also relates to chinese which I'm studying. 2 birds one stone. I learn my grammar and vocab through genki, but only enough to keep A's on my course.

tl;dr: if I can learn (be exposed to) all Jouyou kanji in under 2 months alongside work and study, then you can too.

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>>9794198

It's such a horrible technique. You have no obligation to learn moon so if you don't make it a bit fun, most normal people will give up. Who'd willingly inflict suffering upon themselves?

Fun means you learn vocab and grammar and read stuff while you learn the kanji, not after.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't like nama-sensei but if you like it and it helps you learn/remember every day then go for it. I don't think you can really fuck up teaching kana, there's nothing more to it besides "this shape = this sound".

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>>9794256
I use kanjidamage and I find studying kanji on its own to be fun. I take things at a much more leisurely pace than >>9794198 though.

[Anonymous No.]

I swear there are more people writing motivational speeches about Japanese than there are people actually learning Japanese.

That being said, can anyone recommend an anki deck for Kanji? I need one with readings but for some reason the only decks I can find either have no readings or are totally incomprehensible to a beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

I use his videos for motivation. He's alright

[Anonymous No.]

I'm using this old textbook. It's from the School of Oriental studies, London university, and it's pretty old. From WW2 I think
It calls the kanji "kanzi"
It sounds a lot better, why don't more people call them that?
There also seems to be one extra hiragana character.

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>>9794256
There are no normals on /jp/. Only autists who have the ability to autism mode tasks like this.

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>>9794256
You should take heed of your own words.

Why do you think I do this? I realize to most people it wouldn't seem fun, but i'm a masochist, I love it.

There's no set technique to learning languages, there are METHODS, sure, but in the end the winner is the guy who remembers the correct information. The end justifies the means in this case, unless you learn the wrong information.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't see how learning things fast is any more "painful" than learning things slowly. I'd rather concentrate hard for 1 hour than half concentrate on something for 2 hours.

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>>9794300
I'm the guy he responded to. I don't have autism, but I'm pretty sure I have some sort of bi-polar disorder. Runs a bit in the family.

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>>9794299
it's we ゑ right?

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>>9794334
Yes, the ん also looks a bit different. it's labeled as "final n"

[Anonymous No.]

Is it really best to learn all the kanji before doing grammar/vocab?

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>>9794299
>>9794334
>>9794366
actually wiki says there's two extra obsolete characters. wi and we. i did not know about this. both are extremely obsolete, but the articles cites modern uses. i guess that makes it reasonable to add them into some late study deck, but i don't think you'll see them often. IME just prints うぃ　and うぇ　respectively, since they sound exactly the same.

wi: ゐ or ヰ
we: ゑ or ヱ

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>>9794411

>learn all the kanji

haah waaw

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>>9794411

short answer: no

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>>9794411
Do it how you think it would be the best for you. There are as many ways of learning japanese as there are kanji. Or at least that's the idea I get when I lurk this kind of thread.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語スレ、楽しみ！

>>9794408
Afaik many words using ゑ or ゐ were later replaced with え and い.

>>9794411
If you do heisig, yes. If you do rote learning, learn them as you go. Especially if you have no intention of writing Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

I've found something else in the book, the stuff around the covers says "izumiya book center".
The pencil notes stop around lesson 3, at maybe 50 kanzi.

Do you think the previous owner (my dad) tried to learn Japanese at one point and gave up? Or maybe he just stopped writing footnotes?
Google says the izumiya book center is in Osaka... maybe he visited the city, and tried to learn the language to get a job there, but found it too hard? This is not exactly a "conversational japanese" guide, it's a kanzi textbook.

what if my dad was... a weeaboo?

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>>9794437
Why don't you ask him?

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>>9794444
Because he's dead.

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>>9794453
Study your book better. Try to find secret messages. Your father might've found a portal to gensokyo.

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>>9794453
Is your mom still alive? Maybe you could ask her about his interest in foreign culture. Is she a jap?

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>>9794487
She's always said he liked to travel a lot, he'd disappear for months at a time and return with a fully grown beard.
I remember that because back in 2003 or 2004 when they caught Saddam Hussein she said "Wow... he looks just like your father when he came back from Japan"

What did otaku there obsess over back then? Anyone know?

apologies for the off topic shit

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This shit is mysterious.

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>>9794544

It's not a real language. It's just a bunch of scribbles and sounds developed to fool filthy gaijin. Japanese communicate telepathically.

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>>9794560
Haha, I was referring to that guys quest to find out about his dad.

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>>9794453
if he had a cluttered and shitty mind like mine or was at all seen as "not the study type" he probably used the book for notes up until 50 kanji when he realized it's way more efficient to use a notebook.

for example, i thought heisig's RTK was easy enough that i wouldn't ever need to write down the radicals and their keywords. i assumed i would just always recall them from memory. doesn't really work that way. i ended up finishing the book with like 6 or 8 pages of radicals in several columns. it's impossible for me to recall all of those from memory perfectly the first time.

my guess is he was just getting acclimated to self-studying again.

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>>9792403
that's like asking what's the best way to learn the 9x9 multiplication table

[Anonymous No.]

Nama-sensei's methods are great for motivation and if you aren't used to teaching yourself, however his handwriting is horrendous. If you are going to use his videos, I would recommend learning the proper stroke order so you can get cleaner, more legible characters.

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>>9794594
the 9x times table is easy eas well because its just 10x - 1

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>>9794198
>First seen: 4.2%

[Anonymous No.]

OP just use the Japan Times books (Genki 1+2, Intermediate, Advanced) and iKnow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9794642
>and iKnow

Or the Anki core decks if you can stomach the Anki interface. I'd personally rather pay for something more appealing.

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>>9794198
you're wrong. if i'm a neet then i have even less of a reason to do this to myself. i'm fully aware of the fact that i live in a demotivational hell. what makes you think i'd be willing to torture myself with grinding?

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>>9794598
>Writing Japanese

nigga u dumb

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>>9794664
B-but how else will you be able to write letters to your Japanese penpal?

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>>9794678
With a keyboard

[Anonymous No.]

I'm taking basic Japanese right now as a Comp Sci major and it's not too bad. I'm dreading Kanji since that's a shitload to remember but eh. Learn as you go.

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>>9794664
A lot of people find it easier to remember something better if they wright it down.

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>>9794695
It will be a waste of time, though, when you could be working more on recognition.

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>>9794701
Not if I can't recognize anything because I don't remember anything.

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>>9794687
I'd recommend learning kanji by words rather than individually. It is sort of like spelling except with pictures and ideograms instead of semi-phonetic letters.

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>>9794598
So you're going to remember over 2000 characters, and their reading by looking at them? Sounds fool proof.

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>>9794705
It will work. You can trust me.

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>>9794708
This. Also that is why beginners should use a curriculum or books rather than just memorizing shit off of the internet.

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>>9794717
I wouldn't trust you to piss on me if I was on fire.

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>>9794708
That's how I see them right now. Learning all the kanji is like learning all the words ever made in the english language, so it's fitting.

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>>9794728
There is no learning "all" the kanji.

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>>9794744
There is, but it's almost like "learning all the words ever made in the english language," like he said.

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>>9794411
That's what stops me, everyone like oh learn kana then master 2000 kanji before even beginning any grammar or vocab work. I always end up stopping cause its so boring.

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>>9793190
>he cries because I tell him he's bad at it
>he's just stupid

You're an awfully blunt person. I bet you were a bully in college.

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>>9794758

When studying a language you have to learn... words?

the horror.

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>>9794759
Stop using internet methods and buy some books which will give you a structured course of kanji, vocabulary, and grammar. It's no wonder so many people here end up quitting. Try Genki.

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>>9794775
I'm a bully right now. Are you going to peel your fat ass out of your shitty little bean-bag to stop me?

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>>9794788
No.

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>>9794801
Damn straight.

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>>9794788
Are you going to grow a pair and bully anyone besides two year old children and anonymous people on the internet?

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>>9794824
No, tha'd be scary!

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>>9794777
just proving the guy's point >>9794744
define these words without using a reference, hell, ask anyone in your house to take a shot at them.

hagiarchy
prandial
ebriose
eristic
vale
quodlibet

if you get more than three correct, you have more of a grip on the english language than absolutely necessary, since these are all archaic bullshit words nobody's used for centuries.

if you have the time to go into all the archaic knowledge of kanji, shit yeah go for it, but it's totally unnecessary.

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>>9794968
Yep. Once you get to a certain point there's no use continuing unless you're a linguist. If you run across a rare word you can look it up like everyone else.

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>>9794968
I only recognize two of those words. I am worthless.

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>>9794981
Fucking scum.

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>>9794994
Sorry...

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>>9794408
we and wi don't get used much outside of Tewi and that really fucking stupid spelling of Eva they use for Rebuild (Wevangwelion). Like katakana wo doesn't really get used for anything outside of Kaworu and Sora no Woto.

Most modern uses of those kana are using the artifice of archaism. You don't need to learn them.

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>>9795004
Go apologize to your parents. They're the ones who will be upset for raising such a failure.

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>>9794981
i can tell you're not going to go and add them to your flashcard deck. you're comfortable not being logoleptic. it's completely normal.

unabridged dictionaries define over 300,000 terms. nobody in the world will ever learn the majority of that. i'm coming to understand why elevens call english "the code"

[Anonymous No.]

You guys are kidding right!? No one knows those fucking words! It's normal! Or am I just dumb?

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>>9795039
Are you saying you don't use words like "abnegate" and "nasillate" on a daily basis? Terminate yourself at once.

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>>9795039
Your floccinaucinihilipilification of such words is ignominious.

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>>9795039
at the very most you'd know vale, which is a farewell, and the root word for valediction, which is a farewell speech, which is the root word for valedictorian, which is a person giving a farewell speech, something that can also be called a valedictory.

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>>9795061
You were actually able to find relevant words. Amazing.

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>>9795069
I'm always on the lookout for a context in which I can use "floccinaucinihilipilification."

[Anonymous No.]

Why does it seem like /a/ is learning kanji, where as /jp/ is still learning kana. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

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>>9797584
There have always been kanji learning threads on /jp/.

/a/ please leave.

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>>9797584
The people on /jp/ who care to already know their kanji, it's just that people from other boards for some reason come here first if they think of wasting a few hours on "learning" japanese before giving up

[Anonymous No.]

>>9797584
Because /a/ is filled with the beautiful enthusiasm of youth, and /jp/ is filled with failures and burn-outs who can barely muster the effort to eat.

[Anonymous No.]

im taking his course now. Hes really obnoxious but thats his shtick. I think if I can stomach his obnoxiousness I might learn something.

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>>9797584
It only seems like that because /jp/ is a much smaller board. Also >>9797594