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9790073 No.9790073 [Reply] [Original]

What do you guys think of this?

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20120711f1.html

You can now face 2 years jail time and 2 million yen for downloading stuff in Japan.

As a foreigner living in Japan this seriously makes me want to go home.

Anime SUBS are counted as illegal downloads as most anime is pay-per-view.

>> No.9790076

japans problem i dont care

>> No.9790078

>>9790076
Edgy

>> No.9790085

>>9790073
Why would you want to download stuff in Japan? You're already in so you don't have to download anymore.

>> No.9790087

>>9790085
Yeah, you automatically become rich upon entering Japan.

>> No.9790090

Proxies. Encoded/Hidden folders.

>> No.9790098

Bills never stop anything

>> No.9790096

>>9790073
ehhhh this is only the millionth iteration of the same saber rattling bullshit, and perfect dark would make it hard to catch anyone.

>> No.9790104

Stupid japs are worst than Jew politicians

>> No.9790110
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9790110

>open link
>first thing I see
>anawn_es_lejun.png

>> No.9790121

>>9790110
I never new faggots like that were in Japan too...

>> No.9790130

These things always make me think about how different life would be if we (I) could only peruse legally acquired media.
No games, no animu, no music.
Holy shit.

>> No.9790124

The Japanese government gives me money already, so I think I should show my thanks by not pirating.

>> No.9790132

VPNs and seedboxes

>> No.9790149

>>9790130
believe it or not, you could actually buy those thing with money!

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9790159

>>9790149

>> No.9790156
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9790156

as soon as i make a crap ton of money and move to japan I'm going to stop pirating so its ok with me.

>> No.9790157

>>9790132
Please take some time to explain something to me.
I'm by no means illiterate in matters pertaining to computers and technology, but I keep hearing about "VPNs" when privacy is being discussed.
Where the hell would you connect to? You ask the dude who shares the files to join a VPN? Yeah, I know it's not that, that would be stupid.
A VPN is not a general-purpose connection. What do VPNs have to do with illegal file sharing?

>> No.9790174

>Is it illegal to view online content that has been illegally uploaded onto YouTube or other video-streaming websites?

>No, because it is considered "streaming viewing," not downloading.

You just have to stream it then, which is easier anyway

>> No.9790188

>>9790157
it's just to make it so your IP doesn't show up as Japanese. If RIAJ or whoever the fuck sees you're downloading shit, but you're not flagged Japanese, they're probably not going to press harder.

>> No.9790191

>>9790149
Believe it or not, I don't have money!

But look, even if I had a job. Even if I didn't have to pay 60%+ taxes to get some banged up package that the customs guy may want to keep for himself:
You can't have the money to buy ten music albums per day. To buy, say, sixty volumes of comics, or thirty games per month.
With a normal job you'd have to settle for five, six albums. Two games, maybe ten volumes of comics. That's not near enough escapism.
Maybe you would enjoy the few things you can afford much more, but that's another topic.
My very dear music collection would have costed various years of work. How could I live without that huge amount of delicious tunes?

>> No.9790218

The entirety of my music, video, and game collection would have cost around a thousand dollars to acquire legally, I think.

If you count books that number goes up by a factor of five, though.

>> No.9790232

Why are japs wearing Guy Fawkes masks? They all look the same anyway.

>> No.9790263

It won't change anything. Soaplands are illegal in Japan, doesn't change the fact that there's one behind a police station in Shibuya.

>> No.9790284

>>9790191
Try renting.
If not make some friends and leech off their collection.

>> No.9790290

>>9790218
>>9790130

It's kind of crazy when you think about it. We steal thousands upon thousands worth of products online, and no one really cares. There's no remorse or regret at all, most people don't even see it as wrong. It seems like almost everyone I've met that owns photoshop pirated it, that's already 600 dollar merchandise stolen. And yet, a lot of us wouldn't even be willing to steal a game at the store because it's "immoral".

>> No.9790298

OP here, thanks for all the replies.

Honestly though as much as a weeaboo faggot that I am I do love regular TV shows, Breaking Bad, Community, etc. being unable to download these just seems retarded when you can watch them for free on TV back home.

Also to everyone saying you can just buy these things in Japan, you have no idea how expensive and retarded things like DVDs are here. $40-50 for a 2-3 episode DVD with no extras. Japan releases DVDs hella fast (after TV versions are aired) and completely milks it, even second hand DVDs are expensive as shit.

>> No.9790307

>>9790290
Stealing and pirating aren't the same thing..

>> No.9790315

>>9790307
Shut up.

>> No.9790318

>>9790315
Why don't you make me nerd?

>> No.9790319

>>9790290
The vast majority of people who have Photoshop would never actually purchase it even if they were barred from pirating it. They just use it to make stupid image macros. This isn't a loss of income for Adobe since the people who actually need Photoshop for what they generally own licenses.

>> No.9790320

>>9790263
Are they illegal? I thought only penetrative sex was illegal (though that certainly is very common too).

>> No.9790321

>>9790315

Sharing is [pink] caring [/pink]

>> No.9790326
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9790326

All you had to do was listen.

>> No.9790330

>>9790290
Intellectual property is a jew plot, no need to be so philosophical about it, you only make yourself look pretentious and ultimately very dumb.

>> No.9790345

>>9790290
If Troll: Shoo troll. Fly away this very moment and anger us no more!
If not Troll: I don't steal anything. The things I download don't cause any loss for the content producers. I don't take anything, I copy.

Though it's true that I'm more than used to doing it. As I said, I can't imagine my life without all this delicious, delicious free music. What would I listen to? I don't have the power to import the CDs. What would I read? I don't have the means to import books. What shit anime would I watch? I can't import that either.

Maybe what made me an international person, unlike most of the people in my country, is the access to world media. That's why they sound like country bumpkins. Huh.

>> No.9790348

>>9790330
It wasn't philosophical at all.

>> No.9790361

>>9790345
>>9790330
>>9790319
>>9790307
Pirating is theft. You can't justify it by just saying "I wasn't going to buy it anyway" or "I only own a copy of it, it's not like the company lost anything".

>> No.9790366

>>9790078
Stop trying to be a cynic about everything. It's not unusual for somebody to not care about something that's happening on the other side of the world. If OP (probably you) asked for thoughts on a topic, there's nothing wrong with somebody responding to express their apathy toward the matter.

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9790373

>>9790361
>Pirating is theft

>> No.9790380

>>9790366
Lately people have been calling everything edgy because of the paranoia that edgy /b/tards may be trying to migrate into the other boards, and that we have to drive them back at all costs.

>> No.9790381

>>9790073
If you live in Japan, just watch your shows on TV. Also, why do you need subs if you live in Japan? Didn't you learn the language before showing up?

>> No.9790388

>>9790381

Because 90% of Anime is not free, you have to pay a shitload per month to get the channels for it. Also read my post above about the cost of DVDs.

I like having subbed anime so I can share it with my friends, not everyone I know speaks Japanese fluently.

>> No.9790385

>>9790373
Go away /v/.

>> No.9790395

>>9790380
Oh, that's the collective unconscious of the community there? You have some incredible insight to be able to figure out something so specific. I'm impressed.

>> No.9790399

>>9790381
He's probably one of those dirty gaijin who knows almost nothing of the language and does nothing to improve. He just goes around enforcing his culture and not conforming. What a baka.

>> No.9790400

>>9790361
What gets stolen?

>> No.9790406

>>9790395
Thanks, I know.

>> No.9790408

>>9790388
Not to mention the fact that a lot of stuff airs simultaneously, and not everyone has a TiVo or whatever.

>> No.9790412

>>9790385
go fuck yourself. you know perfectly well that image sums up any piracy thread.

>> No.9790416

>>9790400
Taking or using something that doesn't belong to you is stealing, whether it be a physical object, service, or anything else. Would it not be stealing to sneak into Disneyland and go on all the rides without paying an entrance fee? With digital products, you're paying for the privilege to use the product, if you don't pay for it then that's obviously stealing.

>> No.9790417

>>9790412
Please don't bully.

>> No.9790419

>>9790412
Go away /v/.

>> No.9790437

Pirating digital media is cloning, not stealing. The originals would still be there.

>> No.9790442

>>9790416
You're sill comparing it to a physical thing. By getting on those rides without compensation, I deprive someone who is willing to compensate the opportunity, as well as depriving the people that payed for the construction of said ride their compensation. In taking a digital product without compensation, I am only depriving the creator of compensation. Regardless of whether you feel it is immoral, there is a very obvious difference.

>> No.9790447

>>9790419
It's not just that /v/ that thinks that debates over piracy are invariably retarded.

>> No.9790452

>>9790442
I'm sorry, but I really fail to see how that isn't stealing, even with your elaboration.

>> No.9790458

>>9790442
>I am only depriving the creator of compensation
Remove the word `only' from that sentence and you've made sense without your obvious bias. Did you somehow think that the original creator of digitally copyable works is necessarily less important than the construction workers at an amusement park?

>> No.9790463

>>9790447
It was pretty obviously more about the image than the statement. Even the person he was replying to specified the image.

>> No.9790470

>>9790452
If I borrow a book, copy that book into a journal, and return it, have I committed theft?

>> No.9790479

copyright infringement != theft
the reason they call it theft or piracy is because it sounds a whole lot scarier and evil than "copyright infringement"

>> No.9790485

>>9790470
If you copy a book into more journals than were originally distributed and give them away for free and offer to continue to, the actual publishers of the book will be deprived of fair business and it becomes a fairly complicated matter.

>> No.9790492

>>9790485
Have I committed theft?

>> No.9790491

>>9790416
>Would it not be stealing to sneak into Disneyland and go on all the rides without paying an entrance fee?
Yes, because someone paid for the spot(s) I would be occupying.

>you're paying for the privilege
How do you steal a concept?

>> No.9790501

>>9790491
that's probably unlawful entry and trespassing

>> No.9790510

>>9790470
You're ignoring the fact that people temporarily come into possession of books for free due to the existence of libraries, while the things people pirate online are meant to be payed for, and the people that get them for free keep them forever, rather than returning them in a day. Due to you borrowing the book for free, it's a bit hard to classify it as theft, but at the same time you're definitely not supposed to do it.

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9790526

Governments can't stop the free flow of information without becoming an oppressive state, just like a government cannot protect people from themselves.
Oops too late, god damn Jews.

>> No.9790531

>>9790510
>things people pirate online are meant to be payed for
So are books.

>it's a bit hard to classify it as theft
So, it's not theft.

>at the same time you're definitely not supposed to do it.
That's because it's copyright infringement, which is illegal, but is not theft.

>> No.9790536

>>9790491
We have a patent office to protect concepts from being stolen, dude.

>>9790492
You are absolutely glued to these manipulative words. It's not classic theft; it's an indirect theft. The act of freely distributing commercial works is flooding the market and potentially reduces the value of the original work. I said it makes it a complicated matter, not IT'S STEALING, YOU TOOK IT! GIVE IT BACK!

>> No.9790543

>>9790531
"It's a bit hard to classify it" doesn't mean "it absolutely isn't", last time I checked. Don't do that.

>> No.9790571

>>9790543
>You are absolutely glued to these manipulative words.
Nobody is glued to any words here, except you, who is glued to the word "theft."

>We have a patent office to protect concepts from being stolen, dude.
A patent office exists to prevent patent infringement.

>The act of freely distributing commercial works is flooding the market and potentially reduces the value of the original work.
So do libraries.

>"It's a bit hard to classify it" doesn't mean "it absolutely isn't", last time I checked. Don't do that.
If I borrow a book, copy that book into a journal, and return it, have I committed theft?

>> No.9790585

>>9790492
No, but anyone you give your "copy" of the book to will be stealing it. If you rip the files off of your own game disc and put them on your computer, you're technically not stealing. But once you upload it and allow other people to download it off of you, you're directly allowing them to steal the game themselves, which is illegal.

>> No.9790600

>>9790585
>No, but anyone you give your "copy" of the book to will be stealing it.
So, if I borrow a physics textbook from the library, copy out the section on gyroscopes, finish the course, hand my copy to a friend, that makes him a thief.

>But once you upload it and allow other people to download it off of you, you're directly allowing them to steal the game themselves, which is illegal.
No, they aren't stealing the game. They are illegally copying the game, and are guilty of copyright infringement.

>> No.9790614

>>9790191
>With a normal job you'd have to settle for five, six albums. Two games, maybe ten volumes of comics. That's not near enough escapism.

What the fuck? If you're working full time, it you don't have time to do all that shit. That sounds like more than enough.

Well, it would suck if you decided both the games you bought sucked though, since you wouldn't have the money to buy new ones.

>> No.9790624

For the first time we are living in a world where so much information is readily available at our fingertips. Now we are physically able to spread all this information and art for almost no cost. Production and distribution is so easy now that anyone can do it. It saves time, money, and products can be enjoyed by the entire world in an instant. It's not a stretch by any means to say that the internet and, by extension, sharing media unites people together: fans, artists, nations.

Isn't it the biggest shame, then, that greedy Jew-run corporations seek to destroy this modern gift for the sake of measly profits. When the fuck did a concept like "intellectual property" get so engorged with its own meaninglessness that it began to threaten the very concepts it sought to protect?

>> No.9790642

>>9790624
>When the fuck did a concept like "intellectual property" get so engorged with its own meaninglessness that it began to threaten the very concepts it sought to protect?

When Mickey Mouse.
But really, pirating new things IS immoral if you have the means to pay for it. The problem with the current system is just that copyright lasts at least 100 years longer than it should.

>> No.9790646

>>9790624
The good news, comrade, is that these laws are impossible to enforce and only serve to scare the weak minded and un-worthy goys.

>> No.9790673

>>9790642
>pirating new things IS immoral if you have the means to pay for it
I don't think so. It's essentially sharing by utilizing a benefit of the modern age. If companies didn't want everyone to pirate their things, they should seek to lower the cost of their product instead of engaging in backhanded tactics to maintain grossly inflated prices. The producers have already stained their reputations. How do you put a price on information? The only thing anyone should pay for is the physical containment of media and perhaps a factor of production cost. How the fuck, then is a CD worth 20 bucks new? No wonder people pirate the shit out of it! I do it partly out of necessity, and partly out of contempt for corporate greed.

Copyright has strayed so far away from its original aims that it's useless now as a system, only existing as a means to oppress both artist and consumer. I am not against supporting the creators by any means, but getting skinned by a middleman is not an effective or efficient mode of "support".

>> No.9790707

>>9790673
>music
Sure, whatever. But if you're pirating indie games or eroge made by small companies, it's harder to morally justify. That said, with the advent of steam I pretty much never am motivated to pirate an indie game (I just wait till it's on sale if I really want it), and I pirate my japanese stuff anyway because shipping and exchange rates are awful and I don't really feel comfortable with customs officers snooping around it.

>> No.9790745

>>9790707
>But if you're pirating indie games or eroge made by small companies, it's harder to morally justify
I agree, but there really shouldn't be a need to pirate such things (excepting Japanese media due to import fees). I think most independent creators do what they do because they love it. They essentially shouldn't charge people at all, but instead create channels in which people can offer support whether it be social, financial, or production.

I think this is ideal. Create and share, people who wish to support can donate. Perhaps have limited edition hard-copies for a higher price. Sell merchandise to fund future projects. This modern age gives us the chance to create in large communities. I really think something like this is the future, it's only taking so long to get there because these obsolete money-hungry fucks are afraid of dying out.

>> No.9791852

>>9790624
Well said anon.

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