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Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 16:52:01 No.9738999 [Reply] [Original]

>There was a rather nasty western fan uproar over Aya appearing in Mountain of Faith, with various insulting remarks made against her. The reasons for this were: general fan outrage at the changes made in the game (Reimu and Marisa only, no master Spark), Aya getting her own game (Shoot the Bullet), choosing to ignore the underlying facts behind it (The concept predates Aya's creation and was a quick project to go with Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 16:54:32 No.9739002 I wouldn't know, I found about Touhou last week. #tru/jp/

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 16:54:47 No.9739004 Shameimaru?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 16:55:03 No.9739008 I think Aya is rubbish anyways.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 16:56:47 No.9739014 Shameimaru? Shameimaru?? Shameimaru?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 16:57:48 No.9739016 File: 36 KB, 225x350, li.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9739004 It's Syameimaru, you racist. This is the worst attack on the Orient since ``Cardcaptors'' localized Li Syaoran as ``Li Showron''.

>>	Ryuudou !!rZwkdiE9guZ Mon, Sep 17, 2012 16:58:32 No.9739017 File: 113 KB, 1920x1080, Zero by google.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9739002 Dude, don't dare to insult us, you're not from the elite~Nohryonnnnn

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:04:02 No.9739038 >>9739016 Shameimaru?! Shameimaru!

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:05:47 No.9739039 >>9739016 His name was Shaolan.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:07:02 No.9739045 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3AB-aL-C3o

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:09:17 No.9739051 >>9739039 In fact, his proper Chinese spelling should be Li Xiao Lang, which is probably a homage to Li Xiao Long, aka Bruce Lee

Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:09:50 No.9739054

>>9739039
No it wasn't. I bet you think it was ``Ri'' too. In fact, I bet you're one of those faggots who think Orientals pronounce ``L'' as ``R'', even though they have their own distinct sound somewhere between the two. But it was definitely ``L'' in ``Li'', and ``R'' in ``Syaoran''. Only a baka gaijin like you would say something so disrespectful against one of the most ancient and civilized cultures on Earth. You wouldn't even be *alive* if it wasn't for them.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:21:36 No.9739108 Eh. If there was any Aya game I'd freak out about, it would be DS.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:26:58 No.9739128

>>9738999
The problem with Aya is that she was in three fucking games IN A ROW. She's fine as a character for PoFV. For some reason ZUN thinks she needs to be in a non-Phatasmagoria game because she's not a boss of PoFV or anything (but Medicine doesn't for some reason) so we get StB, which is fine. Then for no real reason she needs to appear YET AGAIN in mountain of faith. It was like "Why is she appearing so much? She must be fucking ZUN or something." and then that crowslut thing appeared.

Later Sanae got to be a main character after Aya stopped appearing and the meme passed off to her, due to the actions of Aya fans.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:29:13 No.9739136 File: 392 KB, 900x900, b9f59b49b9da614bb41d5ecbb294cd57.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9739128 Is Aya good now? What about Hatate

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:30:13 No.9739143 >>9739128 >due to the actions of Aya fans. Stop blaming Aya fans for that. It wasn't the fault of any individual group. Except MAYBE Sakuyafags, but probably not.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:30:43 No.9739149 >>9739136 Aya is always good. Hatate is...uh...there.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:32:13 No.9739162 >>9739143 >Sakuyafags But that's not Ten Desires

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:34:00 No.9739178 >>9739162 So? Sakuyafags were furious about Sanae being in UFO instead of Sakuya. I know, it doesn't make any sense. But it's what happened.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:40:02 No.9739226 >>9739178 And now you have Youmu who has nothing to do with the story. She is like Sakuya, she shouldn't be a playable character.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:43:17 No.9739236 >>9739226 What? Ten Desires is all about ghosts and spirits appearing all over the place. Youmu being playable is perfectly justifiable.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:46:48 No.9739254 >>9739178 I honestly don't really get why Sakuya fans would complain. She had her time, from EoSD to STB she had some part in the games. Even after that she still appeared in the fighters and some print works.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 17:49:49 No.9739273 File: 745 KB, 800x1129, 15887345.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9739254 They're spoiled. I bet I won't see my favorite appearing again.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:03:41 No.9739357

>>9739143

What the hell are Sakuyafags' problems anyway? She's not Reimu's old arch-nemesis. She's not Alice's mother and ruler of a common setting for games to take place in. And she was only ever in like a couple of games as playable. I know PCB makes a big impression, probably bigger than EoSD or IN, but people act like Sakuya was the canonical perma player 3. Even in IN Youmu became playable. In MoF and SA, she didn't appear, (although Aya did in BOTH games, making it actually 4 games in a row.) so why would they be surprised when Sakuya wasn't in any newer game? I mean I didn't like Sanae either at first because of her ugly character art, but I didn't expect Sakuya to be there if Yuuka wasn't going to be a playable character again even after being brought to windows canon.

Then again I didn't expect Youmu to be in TD either, but there she is, with delicious fluffy hair. I hope ZUN keeps this new moe style forever. It's as good as his old super-otaku style.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:06:55 No.9739378 >>9739357 It's like ZUN was aware that Youmu looked like a dork and changed it much to the dismay of people who liked her because she looked like a dork.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:09:31 No.9739393 >>9739273 ZUN will probably make a game with all animal girls one day. I hope he watches Dog Days.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:09:45 No.9739396 File: 415 KB, 637x480, youmu hair explanation.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9739357 Youmu's new hair is good if only for this.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:11:31 No.9739408 >>9739357 I'm mixed about his TD style. It does make me wonder what the next game will look like though.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:11:31 No.9739410 File: 1.75 MB, 1616x1080, 1347789117732.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9739378 >Youmu looked like a dork YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT MOTHERFUCKING NOW

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:11:46 No.9739411 >>9739396 Post the one where Yoshika says "hup"

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:12:34 No.9739414 >>9739408 Most of the playable character art is bad. Just...bad. I mean, look at Sanae. What the fuck? What happened to the great art from UFO?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:13:34 No.9739421 >>9739411 I don't have anything like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:13:34 No.9739418 >>9739410 Come on man, look at pre-TD Youmu and tell me she didn't look like a dork.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:14:19 No.9739428 >>9739421 Damn, Someone posted it a while back but I didn't get to save it because I was at a friend's house.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:14:34 No.9739430 >>9739414 I thought Sanae was better than the other playable characters when it came to art. Still not great, but passable at least. The other designs were great though. TD Yuyu is amazing if you ask me, although Futo is my favorite.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:15:34 No.9739435 >>9739414 0/10 No one would honestly admit to liking Sanae's UFO hair over the new one.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:21:49 No.9739479 File: 299 KB, 700x984, sanae hair laser.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9739435 I would. I have. I liked Sanae's UFO hair more than her TD hair. Same goes for her whole design.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 18:57:28 No.9739652 >>9739479 That leaf looking part of her hair was the worst part of UFO design.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:01:03 No.9739676 File: 290 KB, 600x800, sanae leaf2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9739652 Don't talk shit about leaf hair.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:10:03 No.9739715 People hating Aya for that is a perfect example of the retarded western community.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:14:21 No.9739731 >>9739715 >retarded western community Meanwhile in Japan, Youmu is being called slutty just because of her new hairstyle.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:16:21 No.9739745 >>9739731 ...she is? I've seen exactly one picture of that, and it was more about jealous Sakuya than anything.

>>	naitoknaito Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:16:35 No.9739746 File: 16 KB, 235x226, Penises.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9739731 Well, she looks less bitchy than in PCB and IN so as healthy males they supposed someone gave her cock.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:19:50 No.9739761 >>9739746 This is just ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:20:05 No.9739765 >>9739731 I'm tired of all the lame slut jokes. It never ends though.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:28:50 No.9739805 >>9739054 1. That's a load of shit. 2. Stating "baka gaijin" clearly tells me you're whiter than a Klan member. 3. I am Japanese. I was raised in Japan. You are a total faggot no matter what the language is. Enjoy being alone.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:28:50 No.9739806

Get the fuck out of /jp/ what the hell is wrong with you? Aya is a great character she deserved to be in those games fuck you assholes bullying her for no reason.

I bet half you are SA fags I swear you're the worst i'd rather have a /jp/ full of EoTSD fags than you for fucks sake

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:30:53 No.9739819 File: 85 KB, 523x332, 1347582386975.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9739746 Yea I'm pretty sure its just you.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:51:45 No.9739944
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Honestly, I think crying about how many times a character shows up in the games, no matter which one, is always silly. Even more so when there's always people complaining at the same time that ZUN should introduce less new characters and work more with the current ones (although it could be said he should give less used ones a chance). That said, I don't dislike Aya because she's "ZUN waifu" or because she's a "crowslut" or because she's not Mima or anything like that.

I dislike Aya because o BAiJR.

Seriously, did any Aya fan read that? The only reason someone would still like her after it is if he likes sly, opportunistic and selfish characters, who sneaks around after people; would rather be an abysmal, shameless annoyance for some information than to have minimal respect, just as the stereotypical paparazzi; speaks well of herself on her own articles; does not mention Reimu even once on her articles about the incidents because "she wasn't there to see Reimu do it, and only writes about the absolute truth!", while at the same time making open accusations against people in the newspaper based on "it's most likely" or "I assume"; drops the convinced attitude around Suika and acts all respectful only to her, just because she's an oni; lies to people in order to get them to act recklessly and cause events for her to write about... and so on.

Seriously dude, Aya is a dick.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:55:49 No.9739956

>>9739944

I didn't read anything from BAiJR, but I know in CoLA she smashes windows with her newspaper and the articles in her newspaper aren't very good. I still like her though. But I can't name a character I dislike in the series even when some of them are gigantic jerks.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:56:32 No.9739963 >>9739944 You say all that while posting a picture of her offering free oral sex. Classy.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:57:18 No.9739965 >>9739806 Actually I love SA and Aya is in my top 10. Stop generalizing like a retarded faction fanboy.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 19:58:32 No.9739972 >>9739806 >I bet half you are SA fags I swear you're the worst i'd rather have a /jp/ full of EoTSD fags than you for fucks sake What are you even talking about?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 20:04:19 No.9739998 File: 229 KB, 797x1142, 1347910007500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Aya is high tier. No issues here. To be honest I'm glad to see any touhou doing something. Even the shit tier ones. Bump with extreme HQ MSPAINT OC.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 20:10:19 No.9740029 >>9739715 The Japanese community is just as retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 20:44:14 No.9740244 File: 22 KB, 299x238, 1347376342329.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >hating on any of the touhous I love them all regardless of personality or character design.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 21:06:10 No.9740374

>>9739944
>The only reason someone would still like her after it is if he likes sly, opportunistic and selfish characters, who sneaks around after people
Is there anything unusual about that? That's one of the many reasons why I like her. Seiga is another one of my favorites for the same reason. Fun characters are fun. And you say all of that in a mean perspective, making Aya look much more terrible than she really is. I'll admit though, you can fool anyone with your way of overly exaggerated biased, writing

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 21:12:24 No.9740402 >>9740244 I don't want to be an ass, but to me that feels like you lack a taste. I don't "hate" them, but i have somes i don't like. You can't like all of them when they are so many.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 21:18:58 No.9740430 >>9740402 Oh, I do have a favorite, I just find it simply appalling that someone can actually -hate- any one of them.

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Mon, Sep 17, 2012 21:26:43 No.9740459 File: 56 KB, 480x675, character list.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] oh look its this again. >>9739136 Hatate will always be bad so long as her only power is "Spirit Google".

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 17, 2012 21:31:14 No.9740487 >>9740459 Next game will decide who is the true third wheel.

Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 03:46:54 No.9742202

>>9738999
>There was a rather nasty western fan uproar

/jp/ makes a joke -> newfriends take it seriously -> it propagates outside -> "nasty uproar"

>>9739128
Because Medicine wasn't in StB. Right.

>>9739944
It's Touhou we're talking about. As far as characters go, you have a choice between sly, opportunistic and selfish and dumb, opportunistic and selfish. There's also an option to stay delusional, of course. Take your pick.

>>9740459
>(-Fighting -PofV)

That's not exactly fair. Or particularly informative. The only reason to do that that I can see is the author being lazy.

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Tue, Sep 18, 2012 03:59:14 No.9742229 File: 103 KB, 644x775, character list + pofvswr.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9742202 Fine. Prepare for completely worthless data.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 04:19:05 No.9742301 >>9742229 Why did you sage when you contributed useful information to the thread?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 04:28:06 No.9742324 >>9742229 How is that worthless? You can see more clearly how characters compare to each other in visibility and influence now, instead of "they all show once or twice, whatever".

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 04:41:00 No.9742351 I like how Ayafags successfully shifted the slut stigma on Sanae and later blamed it all on Sakuya fans. Tengu are the jews of Touhou.

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Tue, Sep 18, 2012 05:08:38 No.9742421

>>9742301
Habit, sorry.

>>9742324
Because even the ones with more than one appearance still hold no bearing on their viability for playable character status. Also considering Tasofro made the fighting games and not ZUN. PoFV is a significant one-off from his usual works that hasn't been done again since, unlike the photography games, and the added appearances from these distantly related games inflate older character's numbers compared to newer playables.

Do you really think Komachi, Meiling, or Suika is ever going to get playable status in a main game? Even a half game? Sure, if theres another Phantasmagoria game, but nobody seems to care about PoFV anyway.

Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 05:49:38 No.9742505

>>9742421
>added appearances from these distantly related games inflate older character's numbers

That's, you know, the point. Established characters have more exposure and viability than newcomers? Stop the presses/cry me a river, whichever's applicable.

>Do you really think (...) Suika is ever going to get playable status in a main game?

You'll have to define "playable character" first, and why it includes IN partners but not SA ones. Because I actually used to think Suika has no place in the main games, and then SA happened.

There's a rule ZUN seems to have to exclusively employ humans as main characters in regular games. (I think he even stated it explicitly at some point, I think I remember something about him saying he used to think Sanae doesn't feel sufficiently human to make her playable, but don't ask for a citation.) With this in mind, there are only limited possibilities for Suika, but yes, if he's going to make another IN-style gameplay, she's one of the first in line. That much should be obvious from what happened up to this point.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 06:16:10 No.9742535 >>9742202 > There's also an option to stay delusional, of course. So Aya's eating humans, I take it. Cool story.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:33:43 No.9743185 >>9739378 I disagree. The new haircut looks way dorkier.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:38:28 No.9743207 >>9742229 why are the support chars for sa not included? you included them in IN.

>>	proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:06:08 No.9743300 I don't hate any Touhou, but... Sakuya-san ;_; >>9743207 But in IN you could play with both characters.

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Tue, Sep 18, 2012 13:04:36 No.9743814

>>9742505
>>9743207
>You'll have to define "playable character" first, and why it includes IN partners but not SA ones.

Because you can actually play as the IN partners, while the SA "partners" just had extra dialogue and some weird gimmick.

You were still Reimu or Marisa.
Which brings me to
>Established characters have more exposure and viability than newcomers?
I thought the topic was "playable characters in main games" not "every single mention of them ever in every work ever."
Sanae and Aya would be bumped up a few, Kanako would have at least three appearances, Kasen and Koakuma would be on the list for no reason. Especially since Koakuma didn't even have a name or portrait. Alice and Patchouli would be awful close to Marisa currently, except for the big two being shot up to more than twice their standing.

Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 13:55:29 No.9744018

>>9743814
>I thought the topic was "playable characters in main games" not "every single mention of them ever in every work ever."

No, the topic was "characters in games", which is neither of the two. Note how the OP is talking mostly about Aya's non-playable appearance.

Which brings me to another point, which is that, all things considered, every game appearance should be counted for a full picture, whether as a playable character or not. A character appearing as a boss in more than two games (boss debut + photography game) is in itself extraordinary (Rarer than being a playable character, in fact!) and appears to be predictive of her future as a playable character (see: Cirno, Sanae).

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Tue, Sep 18, 2012 14:09:00 No.9744062

>>9744018
>(Rarer than being a playable character, in fact!) and appears to be predictive of her future as a playable character (see: Cirno, Sanae).
If thats the case then Reisen is almost guaranteed to be in the next game.

Excluding PoFV and Fighting games comes up with a actual visible pattern, but since we're apparently talking about two different things then the whole thing is kinda pointless.

Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 14:29:48 No.9744143

>>9744062
>If thats the case then Reisen is almost guaranteed to be in the next game.

That's a complete non sequitur. Don't you mean Kogasa or Nue?

>actual visible pattern

Likewise, explain. I don't see any.

>we're apparently talking about two different things

Apparently.

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Tue, Sep 18, 2012 15:01:28 No.9744274

>>9744143
Well on my previous point of the pattern, all the new main game playables have been Stage 5 bosses, and have only been playable for two games before being removed or replaced. Excluding Aya, a stage 4 boss, because those aren't main games but still mark "two playable appearances" and unlike other half games there were two of them.
>That's a complete non sequitur. Don't you mean Kogasa or Nue?
Reisen is a Stage 5 boss, and with the inclusion of the other half games, she'd be put at two playable games (although the previous ones now jump to 5 playable appearances.)

Kogasa was interesting as her appearance in TD was quite literally a suprise. Nue is just plain irrelevant.

Maybe i'm just being bad with words, or i'm looking at this the wrong way.

Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 15:24:12 No.9744364

>>9744274
So, as I was saying, youkai don't get to be playable in main games, so if you're looking for a fifth stage boss to continue the trend, you have to look for one that has a reasonable claim to be in some way human.

Incidentally, there happens to be one.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 18, 2012 15:25:42 No.9744375 >>9744364 Futo? I'd be alright with that, so long as she rides her boat.

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Tue, Sep 18, 2012 15:48:46 No.9744464

>>9744364
Which is probably why the youkai halves of IN were alternate shots, but they were unlockable to play solo. I could point out the PC98 games but those are kinda written off by ZUN as not a thing, and i'll do so as well.

And Youmu is half not human, but your point is still valid. Just going off the typical patterns Reisen does seem like a likely chance.
>>9744375
Futo would be a fun character, but its still way too early to make any predictions about that.

Come to think of it.. TD cast has a LOT of humans, or at least used-to-be humans.

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