Do you have any particular religious views, /jp/? Were you raised into a certain faith? If so, how does that affect your view on life? How does that affect your (possible) NEET status?

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Anonymous Sat Sep 15 19:59:25 2012 No.9729326 [Reply] [Original]

Do you have any particular religious views, /jp/? Were you raised into a certain faith? If so, how does that affect your view on life? How does that affect your (possible) NEET status?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 20:04:45 2012 No.9729355 Christian. Christian. It makes me not be dark and edgy. It makes me feel guilty about not working 6 days a week.(For a NEET, every day is Saturday)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 20:05:59 2012 No.9729360 >>9729326 Atheism is the true path. ww3 is soon because of all those muslims, jews and other religions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 20:06:59 2012 No.9729368 None in particular, but I'm open to the concept of religion. I was raised Christian. I don't let religion really affect my life at all.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 20:07:59 2012 No.9729376

Agnostic atheist. My parents are both non-religious. My Japanese grandparents made my mom go to a buddhist church but she never really picked up the religion, and my white grandparents never made my dad go to any sort of church.

As a consequence, I was never brought up in any religion. Also, I began watching youtube videos on religion/atheism when I was like 13-14.

I'm not a NEET either, so I can't answer that last question.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 20:08:14 2012 No.9729378 I've just got a cluster of beliefs I gathered from observation and reading.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 20:19:05 2012 No.9729423 >>9729326 The world is governed by chaos.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 20:20:04 2012 No.9729430 I don't follow any sort of religious dogma, but I have sort of a spiritual side. Occasionally I'll take some time to appreciate the beauty of nature and the interconnectedness of all things.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 20:34:07 2012 No.9729491 File: 223 KB, 504x371, itstimetoo-o-o-objection.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] AS A DUELIST, MY GOD IS ATEMU

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 20:38:41 2012 No.9729511 Standard slav religion, Catholic.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:06:48 2012 No.9729616

I'm agnostic, raised in a heavily catholic society by a family which(like most others) only appeared religious for convenience and social norms.

Institutionalized organized religion is cancer, and doesn't have much to do with faith.

I used to be pretty anti-spiritual in general when I was recovering from all the shit that a heavily bigoted society can inflict on non-conforming kid, but I grew out of that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:07:02 2012 No.9729623 Nah. One of my grandmothers is religious though, I think.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:13:32 2012 No.9729643 I don't feel like wasting my time on religion. It's too boring and stressful. If there's anything like a god I'll probably figure it out after I'm dead anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:17:04 2012 No.9729654 File: 65 KB, 804x530, neko.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Atheist but I do vipassana meditation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:17:50 2012 No.9729657 YOLO religion

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:24:52 2012 No.9729688 Taoism. I basically flip coins and consult the I Ching on what to do everyday, it really breaks up the possible monotony that NEETlife could become.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:33:22 2012 No.9729736 File: 75 KB, 1000x1000, 8a5309822900e979a3a015be3acd2cec.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My religion is Touhou, and I worship Suwako mostly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:40:37 2012 No.9729778 File: 62 KB, 500x500, kr2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why haven't you become a hare krisha yet, /jp/? hare krishina hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:43:07 2012 No.9729792
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>>9729326
I am Catholic

There is a superior entity who takes care of the bullies and humanity is the children of this entity known as God wwww

Love everyone!!

but i am a sadist....

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:44:57 2012 No.9729797 >>9729778 My aunt was from that religion and she was literally crazy.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:46:11 2012 No.9729802

My parents are muslim, and they sort of raised me to be muslim, but not very well. I don't eat pork, I fast during Ramadan, and I go to jum'ah, but I don't pray five times a day, I haven't even finished reading the Qur'an, and I masturbate at least once per week. I keep telling myself I'll take my faith more seriously one day but I don't know when that day's going to come.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:50:58 2012 No.9729824 File: 416 KB, 450x450, kr.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9729797 she was just krishna conscious quit being so judgemental, you fool

>>	sage Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:53:28 2012 No.9729830 >>9729802 Once a week. How do you survive? No scratch that as a chink I probably wouldn't last a week without pork.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:53:28 2012 No.9729831 >>9729824 >quit being so judgmental >you fool

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:55:58 2012 No.9729837 File: 109 KB, 709x980, IMG_0981.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Saint IGNUcius of the Church of Emacs with the followers of Stallmanism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:56:44 2012 No.9729842 File: 255 KB, 500x542, kr3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9729831 who are you quoting? hare krishna!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:58:43 2012 No.9729849 >>9729842 >who are you quoting ...you

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 21:59:13 2012 No.9729851

My younger brother and I are the only two individuals in my extended family that aren't active mormons. He became a drug dealer, and I became a shut in. Neither of us took religion very seriously while we were forced to attend church growing up, but it's still my default state of mind. If I'm making a decision my first thought is what would ways do, then I disregard it and make my own decision. When I sit down to a meal, I instinctively start praying - well not to anything, just saying the words - before I catch myself. I hate how this stuff has been drilled into me.

My older sister has two kids, and it makes me so sad to go over there occasionally and see how they're probably responding the same way I did when I was that age. They pray, but they're just empty words. Those
Kids don't know what they're doing. They say they love Jesus, but they're so small there's no way they've had a spiritual experience of some sort. That's not love, it's conditioning.

I find I depressing, because I think that religion can be a positive thing in people's lives, but that they should find that for themselves. I my nieces decided at 16 that they wante to devote their lives to Jesus, then I think that's great, but the fact that they're told to do so and will grow up not knowing any different really makes me pity them. And I don't like that feeling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:00:28 2012 No.9729856 >>9729830 I never really grew a huge fondness for pork. It tastes like meat, I guess. It doesn't bother me to not eat it so I don't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:01:46 2012 No.9729866 File: 70 KB, 500x489, kr4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9729849 your mind is clouded by mara, which is sanskrit for illusion you cant think cleary shhhh its okay

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:02:46 2012 No.9729873 File: 61 KB, 430x371, 11_17_5329_230_79_20061124145129.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9729778 More like Hare Guu

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:04:03 2012 No.9729886 >>9729866 >mara which is japanese for DICKS

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:06:03 2012 No.9729892

why do religious people expect to be taken seriously

nobody would take me seriously if I believed santa and the tooth fairy exists

but instead, they are allowed to be taken seriously, and people who disagree with them are not and are called edgy and grimdark

enjoy your delusion homonerds.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:06:03 2012 No.9729893 >>9729376 >Agnostic atheist lel

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:06:34 2012 No.9729890 >>9729851 You only feel bad because you don't believe it. It's like being mad that they were taught all life was created through evolution and there's no other way.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:08:03 2012 No.9729902
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>>9729886
you secretly feel ashamed that your life is governed by your senses

lust, laziness, addiction (whether to substances, the internet, isolation, or what have you) and so on

only once you free yourself from your body and come into contact with the supreme personality of godhead can you be happy!

hare krishna

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:09:18 2012 No.9729903 >>9729890 >all life was created through evolution and there's no other way. But that's how it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:10:18 2012 No.9729908 I thought /jp/ was generally sikhist. Don't you guys carry swords around and fight evil doers?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:10:33 2012 No.9729910 >>9729893 >lel This has to be the most pretentious variant of "lol", seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:12:33 2012 No.9729916 >>9729910 :-)

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:12:33 2012 No.9729918

>>9729903
No it isn't, evolution does not explain how all life was created. How can you explain the very first life with evolution? You can't, you have to introduce another ridiculous theory like lightning turning chemicals into life. Typical blind atheist.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:12:48 2012 No.9729920
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I'm a shaman and I communicate with the elemental spirits of nature.

I follow the oldest religious tradition in the world. For millions of years, well before all organized religions, human have practiced shamanism and I try to continue that tradition.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:14:03 2012 No.9729928 >>9729918 I know right? If lightning invented life, then who invented lightning? You can't explain that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:14:19 2012 No.9729925 >>9729918 >>9729903 >Intentionally missing the point and trying to start an argument

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:14:48 2012 No.9729927 >>9729910 It isn't even in the dictionary. Superior alternatives: http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/lulz http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/lolz

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:16:03 2012 No.9729933 If matter cannot be created or destroyed, how are we here? Check. Your move atheists.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:16:48 2012 No.9729936

I'd consider myself to be at least a deist.

I find atheism hilarious because it often times comes from a misunderstanding and misapplication of science. You can tell that some of them are try-hard "intellectuals" but they've never studied anything regarding philosophy or epistemology. The only truly scientific viewpoint when it comes to religion is agnosticism. If you're atheist because that's what you believe, then cool, it's just another belief. If you're atheist because that's what "science told you" then you're an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:18:33 2012 No.9729945 >>9729908 /jp/ is mostly Muslim. They call women who don't wear long dresses sluts, say that women who don't cover their heads should die, and want to marry lolis. They also preach that you should take it easy because /jp/ is a religion of peace.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:19:05 2012 No.9729950 >>9729936 Some people aren't comfortable thinking outside the box, so they assume everything exists as it does inside the box. Perhaps they are right, perhaps they are wrong, but their view is no more or less reliable than yours. Please don't bully.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:19:18 2012 No.9729948 >>9729927 >>9729910 Isn't it a contraction of "le" and "lol" or something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:20:50 2012 No.9729954 >>9729355 >>9729368 >Christian What does this even mean? There's a ludicrous amount of branches and dozens upon dozens of different bibles. You're gonna have to be a bit more specific, dude.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:21:05 2012 No.9729958 There is no way to prove that one or more deities exist. We can't possibly know this unless it shows itself. It's pointless to bicker about it, really.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:21:06 2012 No.9729955 >>9729948 No. "Lel" is just a corruption of "lol". It came before people were spouting "le" before everything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:21:35 2012 No.9729956 File: 11 KB, 220x253, kareem.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9729945 assalamu alaikum, my brother.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:22:20 2012 No.9729961 >>9729892 Isn't Santa based on a real historical person? And your parents are the tooth fairy. Who cares what the reality is, you still get cash 4 teeth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:23:35 2012 No.9729963 >>9729958 We can prove lots of things exist without seeing or touching or interacting with them, e.g. black holes. You could also kill yourself at any moment and find out definitively.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:23:35 2012 No.9729964

>>9729892

>why do religious people expect to be taken seriously

Because it's fun to be religious.

Imagine for a moment that /jp/ genuinely believed that Gensokyo was a real place and touhou isn't just fiction. We would live our lives communicating with these girls in the same way that Christians communicate with God. Our most devout people would begin to hear responses from whichever touhou they are most devoted to because that's just how the mind works. God will communicate with you in a way that seems completely real and undeniable if you are a very devout Christian, and yes this is just a creation of their mind after very large amounts of isolation, prayer, and constant devotion to an imaginary entity, but who cares? The result is the same.

Wouldn't your life be happier if you had a little delusion in it? You can make up any religion you want, create all the fun stuff, and make up your own rules and religious deities, and if you believe it enough then your mind will play along.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:24:35 2012 No.9729968 File: 314 KB, 1000x1500, tell_us_about_islam__by_nayzak-d4m8f8v.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9729945 Islam is great, but it's like Touhou or anime. Some whiny, entitled nerds take things to the extreme and ruin the fandom for everyone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:24:35 2012 No.9729969 >>9729908 >>9729945 Niggers please. I believe I can speak for everyone that most /jp/ anons are free thinker that believe in Touhou.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:25:35 2012 No.9729972

>>9729963
Well if you're implying that you can prove the existence of god without seeing/touching/interacting with it, then please enlighten me.

>You could also kill yourself at any moment and find out definitively.
Who's to say that you'll meet god when you die?

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:26:05 2012 No.9729973

>>9729958
>We can't possibly know this unless it shows itself.
Even if it indeed showed itself to us we still wouldn't actually know if a deity existed because you could take a radical skeptical position and say that everything you experience is simply a delusion. In order for a deity to truly make a person believe in it the deity would have to change the fundamental nature of the person to make them believe, but at that point you are forced to say that you are not perceiving reality in some objective way because you have a built in belief, so it is still possible to label the experience as a delusion. Thus, the only way to truly know the existence of a deity a person must lose their ego and become one with the deity, and at that point you no longer exist.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:26:05 2012 No.9729974

>>9729890
I don't disagree with you theoretically, but practically I do. If it was as simple as holding an opinion on the origins of life that would be one thing, but they're being pushed into a part-time volunteer job that will cost them tens of thousands of dollars over their lifetimes. There's a lot of stigma that comes with wing a Mormon as well.

I just wish - and whether it is realistic or not is another conversation - that they could make their own EDUCATED decision once they've reached the capacity to do so. There are plenty of other religions that are just as valid, but most people growing up in a religion stick with it.

How come these children are too young to understand the significance of sex, or even to be held accountable for the decision to push another kid into a meat grinder, but they're developed enough to understand and accept philosophical arguments and love an abstract being?

Rhetorical of course, they can't understand, and that's what I don't like. Why make them go through the motions until they're ready to accept responsibility for them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:26:50 2012 No.9729975 >>9729972 >Who's to say that you'll meet god when you die? me, bitch whips out god

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:27:50 2012 No.9729977 >>9729961 the coca-cola company created santa, which rhymes with fanta (which they made for nazis) santa's outfit is red and white, the same colors as the flag of nazi germany

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:28:35 2012 No.9729980 Sometimes I wish I religious The motivation you get that way is really amazing

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:29:35 2012 No.9729984 >>9729980 I was*

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:33:20 2012 No.9729991

>>9729954
>What does this even mean?
It means I don't claim a denomination but I believe in God and Jesus. It also means I'm not Catholic.

>There's a ludicrous amount of branches
yes.

>dozens upon dozens of different bibles.
No.

There's like what, the normal bible, the Mormon bible, and whatever the fuck Jehova Witnesses believe. I don't even think the latter are Christians. The Jew bible is part of all of them I believe, though Christians generally ignore it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:33:50 2012 No.9729992

I was an atheist-turned-Lutheran until I realized the God of the Bible (hopefully) doesn't exist but still couldn't completely deny the existence of a deity.

Nowadays I think there probably exists some kind of a god, at least one, but since he doesn't seem to care about being known he must not require worship or even really give a fuck about humans.

It makes some sense to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:34:20 2012 No.9729996 File: 94 KB, 373x480, bedra.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] God doesn't exist.

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Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:36:22 2012 No.9730006

>>9729972
Go do your own experiments. Perform the rituals of every god you can find out about one by one and see if anything happens. Every time something fails to happen, profane them and move on. If one or more exist, you'll get their favor or curse eventually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:36:51 2012 No.9730007 >>9730003 Not edgy enough to represent /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:36:51 2012 No.9730008 I wonder how all those medieval faggot clerics and inquisitors would feel after finding out they got a bunch of innocent people killed

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:38:21 2012 No.9730012

>>9729991
The book of Mormon is a separate book. Mormons still use the bible.

Jehovah's witnesses use some retranslated bible that doesn't use old language.

Other than those there are about a half dozen different "translations" which I think are what es referring to. These generally have vastly different wording which changes the stories and context.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:38:21 2012 No.9730013 >>9730008 they already know because they're burning in HELL right now

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:38:51 2012 No.9730015

>>9729973
>Thus, the only way to truly know the existence of a deity a person must lose their ego and become one with the deity, and at that point you no longer exist.

We could all be god incarnate. Our consciousness is kept in tact by forces of energy. Maybe it's enough to say that the total amount of energy throughout the universe and beyond is god itself, and in turn all living and nonliving things in existence are god embodied. I guess I'm just saying that nature itself is possibly the only real god. But again as you said, existence as we know it could be a delusion for all we know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:40:52 2012 No.9730020 Is anyone atheist but believes in supernatural things like ghosts or fairies or aliens?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:40:52 2012 No.9730021 Christianity Simple enough, just wish I could meet other people like me at church

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:41:29 2012 No.9730023 Not particularly religious but I always wanted to start my own cult. Seems like as a cult leader it'd be the epitome of taking it easy.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:41:58 2012 No.9730025
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Religion is great. All religions are great because they have the power to make you happy even when you should be completely miserable.

Atheism brings happiness to no one. The truth rarely does, it's usually harsh and depressing. Once you become an atheist then you also have to accept that life is completely pointless and the only purpose that it has are the meaningless goals that we assign for ourselves to pass time while we wait to die. That's incredibly depressing. Why would they want to believe that?

Religion gives meaning to an otherwise meaningless existence. It gives people in the most miserable places in the world the motivation to wake up in the morning and enjoy their life because they believe that there's someone up there that loves them and they are going to a wonderful place when they die if they behave well and live a good life.

Their last moments will be happy and filled with joy as they anticipate their arrival to the afterlife. If there is no afterlife then at that point they will just be dead and they will never have to face that truth.

Atheism is a horrible curse that I wouldn't wish upon anyone and as an atheist I feel it's my moral responsibility to never say anything that might put doubt into the mind of a religious person. I was so much happier when I used to be religious and I wish so much that I never listened to anyone who wasn't a religious person so that I wouldn't have had the opportunity to lose my faith.

Fuck the truth. Life is way too short and filled with too much suffering, they don't need another thing to be depressed about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:42:58 2012 No.9730029 If you claim to follow any major religion but still eat meat then you're a massive a fucking hypocrite. As cliche as it sounds, meat is murder. Literally.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:45:43 2012 No.9730040 >>9730025 The grass is always greener etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:45:58 2012 No.9730041 File: 8 KB, 198x172, faggot.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9730029 So is eating plants, you mammal lover.

My Blog Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:46:44 2012 No.9730044

I'm a Qabbalistic Christian. Sure there's periods of doubt but that's mostly out of laziness, and there's periods of rebellion where I want to stick it to the system, but at the end of the day I'm happiest and feel most fulfilled when immersing myself in religion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:46:58 2012 No.9730045 >>9730029 Genesis 2:3 Please eat meat. I made fucking cows and shit for you. To eat. Just fucking eat it man. Amen.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:47:28 2012 No.9730046 >>9730029 >meat is murder Nigga bitch is you implyin' cows can think like I can? Why don't you get some dumb ass cow to make me some fuckin' android applications than nigga bitch?

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:48:13 2012 No.9730051

>>9730025
You don't necessarily have to be miserable knowing that your existence is meaningless. Why does life need to have a set meaning for it to be an enjoyable experience?

So you're going to lose your memories of life when you kick the bucket. Isn't that all the more reason to live for today? I don't fear death. Maybe the pain that I may endure when I die, but not death itself. However, I value life, I think of it as an opportunity to have some fun before returning to my unconscious state.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:49:43 2012 No.9730056 >>9730029 As cliche as it sounds, meat is murder. Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on...

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:49:58 2012 No.9730057

>>9730046
No, but they have souls the same way as we do.

Whatever. Keep being edgy and going along with masses like a good little deaf-mute. Just don't expect me to feel any sympathy for you when you're reincarnated into a pig or a dung beetle in your next life.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:49:58 2012 No.9730058

>>9730025

Protip: it's not atheism that makes you depressed; it's you.
I used to live in a small town in my teenage years. I thought it was the town that made me depressed, it was a dull place and I didn't like the people I had to associate with there.
Then I moved. I continued to feel the same way and remain that way to this day. It wasn't the town, it was me; I'm simply a miserable person.
I know for a fact that there are happy atheists. I think that your unhappiness does not stem from any lack of ideology - you're just an unhappy person and would be that way under any circumstance.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:50:43 2012 No.9730059

I converted to Buddhism at a very young age after being turned off by the bureaucracy of Christianity. My parents made a big stink about it and think they still haven't gotten over it. They call it buddha mumbo jumbo. I honestly just fell in love with the concept of impermanence (particularly the idea that the teachings of Buddhism are also impermanent) and selflessness. I feel it makes living a lot easier. Truly, take it easy~

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:50:58 2012 No.9730060 File: 53 KB, 800x600, american_eagle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9730045 Amen

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:50:58 2012 No.9730061 File: 28 KB, 442x330, 1305269376630.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9730029 this nigga

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:51:59 2012 No.9730064 >>9730025 >Atheism brings happiness to no one. The truth rarely does, it's usually harsh and depressing. You could think that it offers a clear view for those who can handle it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:52:59 2012 No.9730067 >>9730045 you really know how to get to people's heart you should have your own church

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:53:14 2012 No.9730068

>>9730040

That doesn't really apply to religion though.

What is enviable about being an atheist and what isn't enviable about being religious?

Modern day Christianity is so easy going and watered down that you really don't have to do anything at all to get all of the benefits of believing in a religion. Donations are completely optional, you don't have to go to church unless you want to, and you just pray a couple times a week for a few minutes or less if you want.

There's nothing about being an atheist that could make anyone happy. The best case scenario is that a barely religious person becomes an atheist and they lose a part of their life that brought them some small degree of comfort and they get nothing in exchange. In the worst case scenario where a very religious person becomes an atheist then the entire foundation of their life just gets blown apart and they get nothing in return.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:54:14 2012 No.9730073 >>9729954 I honestly don't know what specific denomination I was raised under if any at all and I'm sure it doesn't matter at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:54:14 2012 No.9730074 >>9730061 wow that spiderman pseudo-image macro sure is cool dude did you save it on /v/? my body is ready xD i bet you're really fat and disgusting pic related, its you oink oink piggy go eat some meat piggy oink oink oink

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:54:29 2012 No.9730077 >>9730059 If you're supposed to cleanse yourself of all desires to get on the path to Nirvana, how do you avoid the desire to cleanse yourself of all desires without straying from your path?

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:55:29 2012 No.9730080

>>9729974
>but they're developed enough to understand and accept philosophical arguments and love an abstract being?

Because they honestly believe it is as much a fact of life as math. It is not so much an argument, as it is telling them how the world is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:56:14 2012 No.9730082 >>9730074 This post made me laugh. Oink oink oink.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:56:14 2012 No.9730083 File: 62 KB, 500x375, baby.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9730074 captcha ate my image xoxoxo

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:56:44 2012 No.9730085 >>9730074 your tears are delicious dude, keep going

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:56:59 2012 No.9730086 >>9730077 Now you're thinking with Buddhism! And the answer is that you must cleanse yourself of that desire too.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:59:46 2012 No.9730100

>>9730086
Why is desire seen as a bad thing? Everything that humans do is based off of desire, whether it's scratching an itch or creating a brand new country. I think Buddhism fails where a lot of other religions fail in the fact that it places some emphasis on other-worldliness and shuns this world entirely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:00:32 2012 No.9730102 >>9730086 But how can you do that? If you have no desire to reach Nirvana then how can you get there? What about the desire for basic needs to preserve your life via obtaining food/water/shelter/the like?

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:01:16 2012 No.9730105
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>>9730085
oh wow another epic meme response!!
do you actually come up with original sentences at all, or do you just repeat what you hear neckbeards on 4chan say like a good piggy?

oink oink oink

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:02:01 2012 No.9730111 Why not make up your own religion instead of picking one that's already made? We could make a /jp/ religion and take money from recruited members to support a work-free lifestyle for all of us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:02:47 2012 No.9730110 >>9730105 >>9730083 >>9730074 P-please don't start fights.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:03:31 2012 No.9730115

>>9730025
You're talking about nihilism. Even if a god didn't exist, there's no reason we couldn't be immortal beings who install ourselves into mortal form for a time in order to forget about our horrific, never ending existences or something.

Atheism is just the lack of a belief in a god, not a lack of belief in the supernatural or life after death.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:04:01 2012 No.9730125

>>9730051

>Isn't that all the more reason to live for today?

What's there to live for though? Being a hedonist is okay for awhile, but a life without meaning eventually feels hollow.

I think most people need something to live for. Something that feels important, a purpose in life or a goal that they believe is the most important thing in the world. How can you feel like that as an atheist though? Nothing can really feel important when you know that it's all meaningless.

Life becomes more like a video game. You play it because it's mildly entertaining, but ultimately you don't give a shit about what happens because regardless of what happens it just doesn't matter. The only goal in life that I can see as an atheist is to attempt to keep myself as entertained as possible until I die at some point.

This would be fine if I didn't know what it felt like to actually care and believe in something, but once you close that door then you can't go back and now I'm stuck with this atheism and an existence of mildly entertaining but completely hollow hedonism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:05:31 2012 No.9730129 >>9730100 Desire always leads to craving.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:06:33 2012 No.9730134

>>9730100

That would be the path of Hinayana. The path of Mahayana follows the idea that one rejects personal Nirvana so that he may lead others to it. In fact all of us have reached Nirvana already, we just have not realized it. To be honest the concepts of Buddhism should not be analyzed word by word, it defeats much of the purpose. I will agree though, it can be a very depressing religion and is not for everyone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:06:48 2012 No.9730136 >>9730125 So what if it's 'hollow'? That's just the way it is, deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:07:33 2012 No.9730140 >>9730105 Meat isn't murder "literally" (Christ that word is overused). You have to kill another human being for it to be murder.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:07:48 2012 No.9730143

>>9730102
>What about the desire for basic needs to preserve your life via obtaining food/water/shelter/the like

Buddhism is about giving up all worldly needs. You wanna be a good Buddhist, you want to be homeless and beg for only the scraps that let you not starve to death. To paraphrase someone else, the goal of a Buddhist is to ragequit reality. You do this by refusing everything about it. You will probably die. But it's okay because life is suffering, you will be born again and you will suffer again. Eventually, if you are successful you get to stop being born. This is Nirvana.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:08:48 2012 No.9730150 >>9730140 Only if class humans on a higher spectrum of being above animals, which I suppose most people do.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:10:33 2012 No.9730165

>>9730143

I think too much emphasis is put on the relinquishing of all worldly pleasures and needs. In fact placing emphasis on any of the teaching of Buddhism is seen as a hindrance to the path. The teachings are seen as more of a raft to cross the river of impermanence, once one crosses the river they no longer have any need for the raft.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:10:48 2012 No.9730168

>>9730136
The funny thing is that if nothing has meaning then nothing can be hollow because hollow is just another meaning. The hypocrisy of nihilism is that it gives meaning and value to nothingness and that's precisely why it is a retarded philosophy and why Nietzsche himself didn't believe in it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:10:48 2012 No.9730170

>>9730125
You just have to suck it up, be strong enough to accept the way the universe is and remember that you're still going to be a part of the universe regardless of whether you're conscious or not. Besides, nobody actually knows what we experience after death. It could be a state of eternal bliss for all you know.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:11:18 2012 No.9730173

Are there any religions that worship evil and promote evil deeds and plans? Even Wicca is pretty much a religion of "light" if anyone's done enough research on it.

I want to buy an abandoned church and wear a dark robe and practice rituals in darkness with people and then eat a big meal afterwards filled with taboo meats from endangered animals. Is there something like this I can join or should I start my own cult?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:11:49 2012 No.9730178 >>9730150 No, you dumbass, murder refers to killing another human being

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:12:18 2012 No.9730180 >>9730173 You don't need a religion to be a jerk.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:13:51 2012 No.9730192 >>9730178 I guess in a strict judicial definition sense yes, but I still think the word can apply to the killing of animals. What word would you use?

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:14:21 2012 No.9730194

>>9730025
>>9730125

I used to feel like this, but then I took psychedelics.

Once you have experienced what it's like to be in the presence of that higher power then it's impossible to not believe in something, whether that's God or just some kind of higher power.

There's nothing that anyone could ever say to me that would make me an atheist because I have felt what it is like to be in front of whatever is out there and there is no way to put into words how intensely powerful of an experience this is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:15:36 2012 No.9730205 >>9730192 >I guess in a strict judicial definition sense yes No, nobody has ever used murder to refer to the killing of an animal before hippies showed up

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:16:21 2012 No.9730212 >>9730194 rolls eyes Hahahaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:17:06 2012 No.9730221 >>9730194 >psychedelics I want to have a life-changing psychoactive-drug induced spiritual experience, but I have no money, no connections and I'm too scared to buy them from a dealer on silkroad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:17:21 2012 No.9730218 >>9730205 Ok fine, then what word (noun) should we use then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:18:06 2012 No.9730223 >>9730194 Maybe I should try mushrooms.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:18:52 2012 No.9730229 >>9730218 Slaughter. The same word that's been used for centuries without problems.

>>	sage Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:19:06 2012 No.9730230 >>9730180 I know but I WANT one. Evil is a part of every human and a major force is humanity. I want to celebrate evil and darkness and perform evil deeds and create an evil movement that will cause people to do more evil in my name.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:19:06 2012 No.9730239 >>9730221 You can grow some mushrooms and it's very cheap and easy. Maybe 60 dollars for everything you need. You can legally purchase the spores online and everything else that you need is obtainable at the gardening section of Walmart.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:19:21 2012 No.9730231

>>9730205
Do you have any pets? A dog or maybe a cat?

What would you call it if I walked into your house one day and smashed it's head in with a sledgehammer, then ran away? a "killing"? or maybe I was just "putting it down", right? I mean who cares HAHA its just a fucking animal.

its easy to edgy on the internet when you're a middle class little fucker that hasn't experience anything real in their entire life

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:19:51 2012 No.9730236 >>9730230 But all evilness aside, let's see if I can put sage in the right field.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:21:21 2012 No.9730246 >>9730231 You're right, it should be called a homicide see >>9730229

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:21:51 2012 No.9730250 >>9730229 Honestly, I find slaughter to be a harsher word then murder. Though I don't know why the word choice is such a huge deal

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:22:06 2012 No.9730252 >>9730239 >You can legally purchase the spores online and everything else that you need is obtainable at the gardening section of Walmart. Do you perhaps have a reliable guide that you could provide?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:23:39 2012 No.9730260 >>9730221 >>9730223 Some species of psychedelic mushrooms are harvested from cow feces. Just something to consider if you're buying from a random dealer you don't know.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:23:53 2012 No.9730262
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>The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

>Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

>But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

If only He had gave cats a second consideration...

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:23:53 2012 No.9730263 >>9730231 >What would you call it if I walked into your house one day and smashed it's head in with a sledgehammer, then ran away? I don't think the jury's going to put the dog-killer in jail for murder because he killed Fluffy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:24:23 2012 No.9730267 >>9730250 Murder is a lighter word, that's why it fucking exists, so we don't refer to ourselves like animals

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:25:38 2012 No.9730274

I haven't slept in weeks, I'm seeing visions. Last night or maybe yesterday w/e I was laying in bed with the lights off and I could hear like numerous different voices talking about designer jeans and daytime TV. Earlier today I saw this weird HR Giger kinda monster thing for a split second and it scared the living shit out of me.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:25:38 2012 No.9730275

>>9730250
You only think it's harsher because people often use it when in situations where humans kill other humans in such a way that the victim could be compared to an animal being slaughtered. Use of the word slaughter for killing animals has been commonplace for a long time and acceptable too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:26:08 2012 No.9730278 >>9730267 By that logic then it's a lesser offense to kill another human than an animal sense it's a lighter word and all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:26:09 2012 No.9730285 >>9730263 you're so grizzled and hardcore, i bet you kick puppies for fun xDDD can you teach me how to be an internet badass like you??

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:27:38 2012 No.9730287 >>9730274 Get some sleep, man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:27:53 2012 No.9730288 >>9730278 People pass away, animals die Do you get what I'm saying?

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:28:08 2012 No.9730291

>>9730274
I had that problem too.
I believed my coilspring mattress was picking up AM radio broadcasting frequencies and it drove me absolutely nuts. I took the mattress away and stored it in the basement and now I have a futon thing from a mattress/sofa that was in the basement. It's a bit uncomfortable but I can sleep fine now and the sounds died out a bit. I'm not sure where they're coming from now though.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:29:24 2012 No.9730298

>>9730252

Sure, here's the guide that I used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJQrsZFQdE

You can go to shroomery and see other guides as well if you don't want to buy the plastic containers in the video. There's a large variety of ways to grow mushrooms. I've even seen people grow them in tiny little shot glasses. Personally I I just converted an old computer case into a growing area. I was able to fit a small plastic container right in there and works really well.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:30:23 2012 No.9730305

>>9730285
Why do you assume that people who view animals on a lower level than humans automatically means that they treat them harshly? Why do you live in a binary world where either people love animals or they torture them? Why do you have to caricaturize the person your arguing against in order to make yourself look more credible?

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:31:38 2012 No.9730315

>>9730288
No all my pets (2 cats and a dog) passed away and were buried in a real cemetary next to my grandparents in a handmade casket.

I am still grief striken and might not ever get another pet in my life.

These were special beings in my life that can never be replaced and I loved them more than most of my family.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:32:08 2012 No.9730318 >>9730285 I'm just telling you the truth. The guy may be going to prison for animal abuse, but he's not going there on the charge of murder (which only applies to the killing of humans). You aren't that delusional, are you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:32:23 2012 No.9730320 >>9730315 That's a nice anecdote

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:32:53 2012 No.9730325 >>9730298 Thanks, man.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:36:23 2012 No.9730340

>>9730298

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mmgg.shtml

Here's another guide as well, this one has a few different methods and a guide for drying your mushrooms once they've grown.

Also, here's a list of recommended spore vendors for when you need to buy your syringe of spores.

http://www.shroomery.org/sponsors.php

I've bought all of my spores from TheHawksEye and delivery was very fast, but I'm sure the other vendors are good too.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:37:39 2012 No.9730342

>>9730318

That's the thing though. It seems to me that while humans are obviously the highest species in the eyes of the populace there is also varying levels on who are next in line. This fluid and ambiguous "pet" class has always confused me a little. Americans don't find it disgusting or wrong to eat pigs, cows and chickens but eating a dog or cat is practically "murder" (our word of the night). I honestly just don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:38:09 2012 No.9730346 Please stop encouraging my friends to do drugs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:40:09 2012 No.9730357 >>9730274 How long can a person go without sleep before they die?

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:40:54 2012 No.9730355

>>9730342
Because historically animals like dogs are considered companions. You might go hunting with them or you might just pet them in your house. Animals like pigs are historically for food so it's okay to eat them. It basically comes down to the historical and cultural value that an animal has. Similar to any other sort of value, like that of a women.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:43:24 2012 No.9730367 >>9730357 You don't die, you fall asleep

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:44:45 2012 No.9730368 >>9730367 Scary~

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:44:45 2012 No.9730369 >>9730367 Then how long can someone go before their body shuts down and sleeps?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:44:59 2012 No.9730375 >>9730355 >Because historically animals like dogs are considered companions. This is completely opposite to what I've heard from people born before the fifties.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:46:44 2012 No.9730380 >>9730369 I imagine you have 'microsleeps', perhaps you could go on indefinitely (and miserably). I once did 6 days. No benzos or anything helped. Eventually it sorted itself out.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:48:14 2012 No.9730385

>>9730355

I get the idea of the cultural value of an animal, I just don't think it makes sense on a global scale.

I have nothing against people who eat meat or even view animals as sub-species. I don't eat meat etc. etc. and that's my prerogative and vice versa. Contention only comes from people who can't see or accept that viewpoint.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:48:29 2012 No.9730386

>>9730375
Are you kidding me?
Hungarian Komondores, Irish Wolfhounds, German Shepards, Dobermans.

All of those breeds and more had a use and cooperated with man. Not sure about cats, but dogs are definitely universally a human companion, and I am completely against eating or mistreating them. Sure you can't give them human rights since they aren't on the level of humans, but that's exactly why they should have protections.

As far as I know though, having a pet just for the sake of it and it being cute is a new thing though.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:48:29 2012 No.9730387

>>9730369
The answer for your first question is about three months if the effects of this prion-related disease is anything to go by.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_familial_insomnia
Needless to say, this doesn't happen unless something is horribly wrong with your brain.

How many days before you fall asleep? I think it's around three or four days typically, sometimes more, sometimes less.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:51:29 2012 No.9730400 >>9730386 Cats killed vermin

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:52:29 2012 No.9730405

>>9730357

The human body can go for about a month or a little bit longer without sleep before you will eventually die.

You will have gone completely insane well before that though. The only way I can think of to stay awake that long is through heavy drug use. Without that you're just going to collapse at some point and sleep.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:53:16 2012 No.9730408 >>9730387 Probably FFI isn't entirely useful to his question because there is actual thalamic damage involved. The death may be related to brain damage rather than the sleep deprivation alone.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:53:16 2012 No.9730409

>>9729955
>It came before people were spouting "le" before everything.

Huh, really? I've only seen it this year around /sp/, while I remember people using le before random nouns many years ago (I mean in a serious (or rather semi-serious, where they actually think it's funny) way, not the 4chan's LOL LE REDDIT PARODY).

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:55:16 2012 No.9730417 >>9730408 Scratch that. The article says cause of death is REM deprivation. I guess that is a good indication.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 23:59:48 2012 No.9730426

>>9730405

I think the problem with this is that the constant stimulant use would kill you before the lack of sleep would. Having so much non-stop CNS stimulation without any sleep and you will die well before someone would have died if they weren't taking drugs to keep themselves awake.

It's difficult to find out how long you can go without sleep because the only people who can stay awake that long have a rare disease or are binging on meth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:01:17 2012 No.9730430 >>9730386 >All of those breeds and more had a use and cooperated with man. Exactly. Every old person I've dealt with has at some point mentioned how animals used to be tools and how modern city folk nonsense about companionship is irritating.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:03:32 2012 No.9730437 File: 158 KB, 850x575, 1341793416074.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I am from the first Church of Loli. Tommorows Sunday so I gotta get my sermon ready.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:04:17 2012 No.9730440 >>9730437 Can I come? I'll get my semen ready.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:04:32 2012 No.9730442 >>9730437 Rin is such a nasty slut.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:16:21 2012 No.9730489 If you are religious why not kill yourself go to heaven faster

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:25:06 2012 No.9730522 >>9730442 Not really... Only for the one she loves, like a good girl.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:25:51 2012 No.9730525 >>9730430 It will eventually happen to most people though. Eventually there will be no use for most people, that doesn't mean you should kill them or mistreat them though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:27:06 2012 No.9730538 >>9730522 She doesn't really love him, she just wants his cock.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:27:36 2012 No.9730533 >>9729326 None whatsoever, and wasn't raised in any particular faith. Studied them all extensively in college though, from an academic standpoint rather than belief/faith.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:28:06 2012 No.9730539 >>9730178 murder also refers to a group of crows.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:28:57 2012 No.9730544 >>9730539 Valid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:30:27 2012 No.9730547 >>9730538 I don't believe that for a second. Think about it. What's so special about his cock?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:32:12 2012 No.9730556 >>9730547 Titanium plot armor cock piece.

Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:34:58 2012 No.9730566

No one on /jp/ is an actual NEET. Why is NEET the new word for antisocial?

No religious views, although I appreciate bits and pieces of everything. I think Judasim has some good morals to teach, and parts of shinto-ism are pretty cool.

It's nice to have creeds too. Whatever gets you through life. I think bushido/ kenjitsu/kendo is a good mindset.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:36:28 2012 No.9730572 >>9730566 >No one on /jp/ is an actual NEET While I do agree that it is very often misused, mostly by trolls, I wouldn't be so quick to assume that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:39:44 2012 No.9730582 >>9730442 Rin has dropped to the least slutty girl. Mimi is openly trying to rape people nowadays and generally being a huge bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 00:42:29 2012 No.9730591 >>9730566 >No one on /jp/ is an actual NEET. I've finished college and haven't gotten a job yet. I am the literal definition of NEET right now.

>>	Captain Spicard !mOdChRomEs Sun Sep 16 01:01:17 2012 No.9730662 Wanting to be a good person for my waifu is the basis of my belief system.

>>	Captain Spicard !mOdChRomEs Sun Sep 16 01:03:02 2012 No.9730674 >>9730670 But it isn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 01:03:17 2012 No.9730670 >>9730662 >waifu /a/ is more your speed

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 01:06:03 2012 No.9730683 >>9730670 It's perfectly fine here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 01:08:02 2012 No.9730691 >>9730683 >>9730674 samefag

Anonymous Sun Sep 16 01:17:21 2012 No.9730715
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I was raised as a Christian Catholic during my upbringing. I believed in all that stuff, prayed, attended church masses and all that shit. Eventually, that all stopped when I became a neet. With all the free time that I had, I stumbled upon religious arguments which spurred me to do a research on it. I found that Catholic Christianity was full of bs, they've changed doctrines and went against the bible rules. They also have got priests who never followed what they were preaching, priests who molests little boys and girls. Priests claiming miracle exists to relieve you from your problems, telling you to only believe and pray and things will be alright, then when the time comes and nothing happens, years and years of praying they'll tell you that you don't have enough faith. There's more to this shit stained religion. Corruption, etc.

It made me think, if they were so devoted to their profession then how can they do those things? Yeah, we're all sinners bitch but that's up right feigning and a shit stain that should not even exist in the first place.

I found out the first real religion of God/Christ was some antique shit thousand years of years ago. The other religions like Catholic, pentacost, and all it spawned are just BS shit seeking for power and what not.

Now I am here, a non-believer. I no longer consider myself catholic. Fuck that. I'm more into humanism now and naturalism. It makes much more sense to do this. We humans should support each other and focusing on it instead of doing fucking bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 01:18:21 2012 No.9730719 >>9730715 Oh yeah, I'd like to try once buddhism for its philosophical use and universal views. Seems like the best "religion imo" even if it's not really considered one. It's more of a spiritual thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 01:32:22 2012 No.9730767 >>9730715 So you stopped following the religion because people can choose to do things, even if paper with ink on it says it's bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 01:40:22 2012 No.9730793 >>9730566 Do you even know the definition of NEET? I would go as far as to say that more than half of /jp/ is NEET. It's not a hard thing to be. The one that is misused is hikikomori.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 01:45:23 2012 No.9730806 I would be a bit taken aback by someone whose hobby is torturing and killing dogs or cats, but I would not be morally against them, and would leave them to their hobby. I believe the laws that stand against them are the truly immoral things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 01:49:23 2012 No.9730819 >>9730767 Wrong, he stopped following them because they're a means of gaining control over people.

Anonymous Sun Sep 16 01:49:54 2012 No.9730822

>>9730125
"You should take up a religion because the atheist view is 'hollow' and 'meaningless'" isn't a valid argument. You can't say to someone that they should delude themselves to make their lives happier. How can you set out to delude yourself? You can only be religious if you are deluded to begin with, you don't make yourself intentionally deluded and become religious in that manner.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 01:53:08 2012 No.9730832 >>9730822 And what makes you think religion is deluded? Just because you said so? With no proof? Atheism is the deluded one. As someone already pointed out, nihilism fails as a philosophy. Since atheism leads to it, atheism fails as well.

Anonymous Sun Sep 16 02:00:32 2012 No.9730864
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Atheist, born into a Christian family. I hate saying born Christian because as a newborn, you don't have the concept of religion. Before I turned atheist, I went to Church for 16 years. Stopped believing because the God I believed in wasn't correctly portrayed in the book of circular arguments.

God either does not give a fuck about his believers praying to him or is very selective about who gets to live a good life. He seems to favor those living in first and second world countries and favors the wealthier people. Everyone else not in these gets "miracles" that are occur daily for other people, like having anything resembling food on the table.

Prayers also seem to not matter at all for healing, as I have found out from deceased relatives. You may hear stories and anecdotes about the "miracles of prayer", but those few are selected out of the thousands that fail and are buried. Eat shit, confirmation bias.

I have other reasons for being atheist, but one isn't "just to be different" nor am I doing it just to be "dark and edgy." There's just too much shit that's happened in my life that if I'm constantly told that there's a "good" God, I'm just being fed lies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 02:04:16 2012 No.9730879 >>9730832 Nihilism is life without intrinsic value. You can still be an atheist and still believe in doing deeds for your own sake as well as others without the need to pay. Don't even try to start a slippery slope.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 02:05:01 2012 No.9730885 File: 26 KB, 310x267, 1347020536402.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9730864 >Solomon >700 wives keep it pimpin, solomon

Anonymous Sun Sep 16 02:07:32 2012 No.9730892

>>9730832
That makes no sense I hope you are trolling. Nihilism doesn't fail at all. Does the truth fail? Technically we have no purpose in the universe. Religion is deluded because it has non basis in facts or empirical data. Just some random hunch. I have a hunch touhous exists. Its just wishful thinking

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 02:07:46 2012 No.9730894 >>9730879 I think he's messing with you, dude. No one would really draw the conclusion that 'atheism fails (as a philosophy)' because someone on /jp/ expressed distaste toward nihilism.

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