What happened to Touhou?

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Anonymous Mon Sep 10 12:54:39 2012 No.9706693 [Reply] [Original]

What happened to Touhou?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 12:56:55 2012 No.9706700 People I don't like started liking it, so I had to stop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 12:57:54 2012 No.9706707 Zun got married.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 13:02:25 2012 No.9706724 Tone down you autism, nerd.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 13:04:39 2012 No.9706727 Reimu died?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 13:09:10 2012 No.9706734 2011 was when I stopped liked Touhou too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 13:12:26 2012 No.9706742 >>9706700 /jp/ summarized

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 13:24:43 2012 No.9706776 >What happened to Touhou? It became really popular and got a lot of new games, supplementary material and fanworks. 愛でたし愛でたし

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:22:03 2012 No.9706921 >>9706693 UFO was in 2009

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:33:24 2012 No.9706949

>>9706693

It got several print works of high quality and became even better than it ever was before. THAT is what happened. In the meantime, despite gaining massive popularity, Zun hasn't even slightly let it go to his head, and hasn't damaged the integrity of his vision.

The games are still great, but you know how people are. If something changes in a way they dislike they call it objectively "horrible", rather than just acknowledging that sometimes tastes change on either side of a creation.

What I really can't stand is the people that say it sucks because its popular. And more than anything I can't stand the people, with EVERY SINGLE GAME, say the music sucks. People did that for MF, SA, UFO, and now TD. And you know what? All of them had great soundtracks.

Fuck you /jp/, you're not ruining this for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:35:09 2012 No.9706957 It just became too mainstream.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:39:24 2012 No.9706965 >>9706949 I'm glad someone else typed this post saying exactly how I feel so that I didn't have to. Even if I suspect OP is trolling, Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:44:10 2012 No.9706970 IN was the last good game. R.I.P.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:59:11 2012 No.9706976 >>9706949 >TD >great soundtrack I agree on the others, but I don't see how you can claim this was as good as the others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:06:42 2012 No.9706983 >>9706976 Desire Drive and Seiga's Theme were pretty good.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:06:42 2012 No.9706984

>>9706949

>In the meantime, despite gaining massive popularity, Zun hasn't even slightly let it go to his head, and hasn't damaged the integrity of his vision.

This is very admirable. I commend ZUN for not going astray with original Touhou. His original vision of Touhou is what made it so great and popular. If he changed it or gave into the fandom, it wouldn't be Touhou anymore.
Many people don't seem to realize this and complain that he never does anything to appease the fandom. They don't realize, that he's not even making the games for them to begin with. He does it for his own entertainment.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:06:56 2012 No.9706985 Zun got married, that's why touhou died. His wife made him abandon all fun things, and only lets him focus on her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:06:56 2012 No.9706986 Zun sold out

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:07:11 2012 No.9706987 [DELETED]

>>9706949
>And more than anything I can't stand the people, with EVERY SINGLE GAME, say the music sucks.

It's not just music, you know. Gameplay, characters, story, everything. Meanwhile every single previous game is a modern classic.

Only EoSD/PCB are spared from the quarrels so far, but I wonder what will happen some ten years from now, when there's a gap of entire generation between EoSD and the most recent entry in the series. I'm pretty sure kids won't understand.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:08:11 2012 No.9706995

>>9706949
UFO is great, SA is decent, MoF is bad and TD is terrible. Not all Touhous are born equal, much like not all of your favorite STG company's games are equally good. It's not "something changed", all integer Touhous are very different games with different merits or lack thereof.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:08:26 2012 No.9706991

>>9706949
>And more than anything I can't stand the people, with EVERY SINGLE GAME, say the music sucks.

It's not just music. Gameplay, characters, story, everything. Meanwhile every single previous game is a modern classic.

Only EoSD/PCB are spared from the quarrels so far, but I wonder what will happen some ten years from now, when there's a gap of entire generation between EoSD and the most recent entry in the series. I'm pretty sure kids won't understand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:08:56 2012 No.9706993 please let me post

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:09:41 2012 No.9706999 >>9706993 post

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:17:56 2012 No.9707018 I like all of the touhou games. Am I lucky for being able to enjoy fun things?

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:42:52 2012 No.9707084
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heres what happened

every game after Touhou 8 Imperishable Night
suck.

1. the music is less memorable and isnt as great as th6, 7 and 8.
2. the style changed, everything is smaller and faster while the gameplay area(the rectangle on the left) is the same.
3. the power system is lame because you can have like 10 bombs with 1 life.
4. he removed death bomb, its almost impossible to bomb if you try to do it at the last second you still die.
5. (my opinion) the characters after IN are not really memorable.

the music in these games are really important. i dont mind dieing in touhou 6, 7 and 8 because the music makes me feel badass.

on the other hand, the games after IN are just a pain. the music is just annoying.

i think that happens in a series that has too many games

my personal favorite is Touhou 8 imperishable night.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:44:51 2012 No.9707090

>>9706991
>I wonder what will happen some ten years from now, when there's a gap of entire generation between EoSD and the most recent entry in the series. I'm pretty sure kids won't understand.
nothing. there won't be anymore touhou games since zun's now a married working man with no soul, who needs to work from early morning to late night to support his family and has no time for hobbies like touhou anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:45:22 2012 No.9707094 >>9707090 He already had a full-time job.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:47:52 2012 No.9707100

>>9707094
but now he also has a wife and soon will have kids. once you reach that, the work saps half of your free time and family the other half.

and if you ever get a few minutes to yourself, you're so mentally drained you just want to go to sleep, not program.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:47:52 2012 No.9707101 >>9707094 Not a respectable job for a married Japanese man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:55:37 2012 No.9707127 >>9707084 come on the music in SA is good, specially yugis and okuus theme

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:56:52 2012 No.9707136 >>9707084 >its impossible to deathbomb Go watch some of the streamers, one of them seems to deathbomb almost every death in SA. Anonymizer I think it was. Point being it's quite possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:58:07 2012 No.9707144 >>9707090 Give up already.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:01:22 2012 No.9707149 >>9706949 >TD >great soundtrack I agree on the others, but Ten Desries, great soundtrack?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:07:54 2012 No.9707153 >>9707084 Touhou 10 Mountain of Faith is exactly the opposite of what you said. I also think it has the best soundtrack.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:09:09 2012 No.9707161 >>9707149 Yeah... True Administrator was great (though the final boss themes always are), but the rest of the soundtrack didn't do it for me somehow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:09:39 2012 No.9707164 >>9707084 Stop right there criminal scum ,most of the songs in SA was from of the best in all the serie ,the characters were great too. But you are right on point 2 and 3. But on the music field ,you are totally wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:20:42 2012 No.9707188 must be hard being the latest game when the fandom is nothing but hivemind autistics nostalgiafagging it up TD soundtrack is good, get over it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:24:47 2012 No.9707203 >>9707188 >TD soundtrack is good, get over it Where are the fucking trumpets?

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:26:32 2012 No.9707211

>>9707188
>Touhou
>nostalgiafags
how is that even possible? People didn't even know about the series till most likely 2007. And even then to be a nostalgiafag you'd have to have been playing the PC98 games. And TD soundtract is mediocre at best compared to the other windows games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:27:47 2012 No.9707213 >>9707211 >soundtract lel im gey captcha: inadequate ban

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:28:47 2012 No.9707215 Soundtracks? STGs have soundtracks?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:29:48 2012 No.9707217 >>9707215 stop posting

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:30:06 2012 No.9707218
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Touhou is fine, even getting better since its popularity is going down and luckily we'll get rid of the retards who joined because the series got popular, the people who claim the first games are better are partially blind by nostalgia in the best case and retards in the worser.

Even if Touhou becomes a little community here I'll be glad to discuss it with the ones who'll remain, in fact I'm looking forward to it, has to be said that Touhou is not just a series of games, print works, music cds and other stuff, Touhou is the community too, and elitism aside, I'm glad to have met you /jp/

Ignore people who tries to make you stop enjoying things.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:30:06 2012 No.9707219

>>9707203
It's different, so it's bad?

>>9707211
You're right, but even so I often get the feeling of people taking about the "good old days" and "it changed, now it's bad". The principe is the same.

Give it another year. TD soundtrack is more subtle, less melodic. It has many tracks that I feel are very different from previous games, but that's what I like about it. But at the same time, it also has a lot of the cozy melodies that I think are reminiscent of earlier windows games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:32:20 2012 No.9707221 File: 491 KB, 1024x768, 1344098612547.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reimu-san was born in 1994; still alive

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:34:05 2012 No.9707225 >>9706991 10 years from now kids will think about TH06-14 in the same way that we think about TH01-05.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:34:05 2012 No.9707226 File: 61 KB, 503x505, 1347093137256.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707221 I'm as old as Reimu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:36:50 2012 No.9707233 >>9707226 Me too!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:37:22 2012 No.9707235 >>9707218 I'm glad to have met you too, anonymous. If not for Touhou, I feel like I would be dead, even if only on the inside. I'll forever be thankful towards everyone, even the whiny fags in this thread. I love you all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:38:09 2012 No.9707237 File: 602 KB, 852x1200, 29098280_p1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707233 >>9707226 Good club

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:39:24 2012 No.9707239 >>9707233 >>9707226 ugh

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:39:54 2012 No.9707240 File: 118 KB, 500x600, Rinsip.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707235 You're welcome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:40:24 2012 No.9707244 >>9707239 Youth?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:40:54 2012 No.9707245 File: 67 KB, 500x495, 1332253280832 - Copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707239

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:42:10 2012 No.9707248 File: 322 KB, 860x1056, d9b2ab2421c2723c9e01ef7c86daf94f80bfc058.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:43:39 2012 No.9707251 >>9707225 No one will care about Touhou anymore. It will be seen as some old shit like Haruhi. Instead everyone will love MLP-Reloaded or something. This is the harsh truth, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:43:54 2012 No.9707253 File: 372 KB, 1019x1019, 10201.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707221 >>9707237 >>9707226 We're all Reimus here

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:44:09 2012 No.9707255 Touhou needs canon relationships and more men.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:45:54 2012 No.9707257 >>9707219 Go listen to some of Bach's fugues. ZUN's music for Ten Desires consists largely of fugue-like material. It is of a greater technical quality than previous Touhou music.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:46:57 2012 No.9707262

>>9707251
I don't believe MLP will still be popular in 10 years. At the very least I think Touhou has a bigger chance.

About that though. Touhou celebrates 20 years in 3 years. Any thoughts? I've been trying to visualize it, but it feels hard to predict what the community as a whole will be like by then.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:50:11 2012 No.9707267

>>9707253
>>9707233
>>9707226
Yeah, I'm barely 18 years old too, and I'm neet for the summer vacation !! :) I don't do drugs or go to parties like all my idiot cisgender normalfag friends though, that's for losers! My smug self-satisfaction is enough to fuel my enormous ego even and even convince me that I'm not a complete anti-social outcast piece of shit! It's society's fault that all my peers are vapid and stupid and I can't fit in! Lol, those idiots running after girls wish they could be as smart as me! Of course, I do make whine and depression threads on /jp/ all the time, but it's ironic so it's fine, hehe. I don't drink either, because I'm too good for drugs like that! I also hate my parents, those idiots don't understand why I'm NOT a complete fuckup that cannot fit into ordinary life and instead am a free-thinking bastion of individuality in a world full of conformers and squares! I love /jp/, it is my favorite board on 4chan because it is so obscure and hipster and ironic, perfectly fit for one genius as myself! Next summer, I'll be sure to stay on /jp/ all day again!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:50:11 2012 No.9707268 >>9707251 How is Haruhi ``old shit''? It's younger than Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:50:26 2012 No.9707272 >>9707239 Don't be mean anon....

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:53:58 2012 No.9707283 File: 72 KB, 253x328, reimu_08 - Copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707251 Just now you wrote this...? Hidoi anonymous...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:54:44 2012 No.9707285 File: 72 KB, 253x328, reimu_08 - Copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707267 Just now you wrote this...? Hidoi anonymous...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:54:58 2012 No.9707286 >>9707267 I'm from 1994 but i'm not 18 years old. I was born in 12/12

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:57:58 2012 No.9707293 File: 97 KB, 484x591, 1337630905940.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707286 That's my birthdate too !

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:59:19 2012 No.9707299 >>9707293 (✿ ♥‿♥) cutest picture ever

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:59:43 2012 No.9707297 12/31 here.... Please don't be mad at me /jp/....

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:01:19 2012 No.9707306 Someone please ban all of those kids.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:02:15 2012 No.9707309 File: 339 KB, 831x1181, 1336441919395.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707299 Sou desu

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:02:45 2012 No.9707311 File: 35 KB, 704x400, thesighofharuhisuzumiya8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707251 >old shit like Haruhi

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:12:33 2012 No.9707334 File: 80 KB, 500x500, donations_reimoo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707318

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:26:49 2012 No.9707369 We're getting a new game on winter. Why do you doubt ZUN? Has he ever let you down? You don't even pay for his games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:32:49 2012 No.9707383 >>9707369 I would absolutely pay for his games if he allowed me to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:56:36 2012 No.9707450 >>9707383 Get out generation Z or whatever the fuck you retards call yourselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:57:51 2012 No.9707453 >>9707383 meant to reply to a deleted post, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:27:43 2012 No.9707565 >>9707251 Touhou is older than Haruhi.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:39:28 2012 No.9707606 touhou 14

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:47:00 2012 No.9707632 >>9707218 Which one of KamS videos is this from? I can't seem to find his streams on nico.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:58:21 2012 No.9707673 >>9707575 Is that a realistic portrait of heaven?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:59:06 2012 No.9707677 >>9707632 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16102685

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 19:09:21 2012 No.9707703 >>9706984 >and complain that he never does anything to appease the fandom What is GFW?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 19:13:53 2012 No.9707715 >>9707703 What about it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 19:17:37 2012 No.9707729 >>9707715 Stop playing dumb, you maximum autist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 19:22:37 2012 No.9707743 >>9707729 Explain how GFW was made to "appease the fandom." Were that many people really petitioning him to make SaBND into a game? Or is Cirno just so wildly popular that ZUN felt forced to make a game just for her?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 19:27:38 2012 No.9707767 >>9707743 >Or is Cirno just so wildly popular that ZUN felt forced to make a game just for her? She is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 19:33:10 2012 No.9707783 I personally think Imperishable Night was the last truly good Touhou game. Games that followed it have bits and pieces that are good, individual characters and such, but the whole package just doesn't stand the test.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 19:33:57 2012 No.9707778

>>9707767
She and her themes consistently score behind Sakuya, Mokou, Alice, Yuuka, and Flandre in popularity rankings and comparably in Pixiv numbers, all of whom have yet to show up as non-fighting playable characters post-PoFV. In the case of Yuuka, Flandre, and Mokou, they haven't shown up again at all outside print works and photo games, period.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:11:12 2012 No.9707863 >>9707203 In Miko's theme. And boy, does that one fucking trumpet compensate for the entirety of the game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:14:12 2012 No.9707870 >>9707767 Yeah, ZUN made a game for his western fanbase. Yeah.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:22:43 2012 No.9707893

TD is seriously the blandest and most boring game to date, by far.

Soundtrack is completely forgettable, except maybe Yoshika's theme. The characters are forgettable too, since they're just literal copypastes from their original inspiration without any ZUN-touches, except of course Mami who is an average Tanuki dressed up like ZUN.

Now ZUN is trying to force them into the manga trying to make people like them since characters of the previous games struggle to get a mere cameo.

The last good game for me was SA, MoF was bland too, but at least had good soundtrack...ish.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:29:15 2012 No.9707914 Yoshika and Seiga are nice characters with lots of "ZUN touches". Seriously aside from them Sanae,Parsee,Koishi,Orin and Byakuren the 10-12 characters were all bland so don't just hate on TD

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:31:46 2012 No.9707925 >>9707914 > Sanae,Parsee,Koishi,Orin But those are bland as fuck too, they have more of fan-made stuff going for them than anything else, the least one being Sanae since she appears constantly but that doesn't do much anyway.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:36:16 2012 No.9707952

Huh? All ZUN did was screw up the scoring system in TD. Everything else is on par, if not better (the whole TD cast is wonderful) with all of his other games. Seems like people just bitch for the wrong reasons. But the fact is: Touhou didn't die, your interest in it did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:45:26 2012 No.9707978 >>9707925 Parsee and Koishi have amazing backstories/fun facts and Orin is cute. Sanae is a cute dork~

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:46:43 2012 No.9707984
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TD has the best stage 6 atmosphere.

You're flying through an infinitely huge space, surrounded by what look like miniature stars, the low beats thum through you as you get nearer and nearer to your goal. Finally, as you see Miko for the first time and the steady beat drives on, you come to the realization that Miko has been waiting for you this whole time, you can't stop her resurrection, she has already reached her ultimate goal of immortality and divine power. She is the one that can conquer Gensokyo. And then, as soon as she reveals all of this to you, True Adminisrator kicks in, the initial guitar riffs start right as the danmaku starts to fly, and you know then that no matter the outcome, Miko has already won, you're fighting against the inevitable as you exchange danmaku in the starry sky.

And if Miko's boss fight isn't one of the most well-synced, I don't know what is.

http://youtu.be/Itt0BNGd1nk?t=3m47s

>>	Tom-kun Mon Sep 10 20:51:58 2012 No.9708002 File: 15 KB, 192x262, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707984 ugh how can you even say that

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:53:13 2012 No.9708010

>>9707778

Not the anon you're replying to but indeed, SDM cast gets referenced here and there on the comics and some of the books but Flandre in special has nothing for years save for her spells in GoM. Might not be the case in the west but I've always considered Flandre to be a lot more popular than Cirno in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:54:58 2012 No.9708019 >>9707984 You can't sync boss fights.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:55:58 2012 No.9708022 >>9707984 People sure have different tastes. I think that TD's stage six is the most half-assed one in the entire series. I don't like the stage, I don't like the music and I don't like Miko's patterns.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:56:43 2012 No.9708024 File: 58 KB, 651x441, 1345947399811.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>9707984 >That guze flash timing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:59:58 2012 No.9708043 >>9707161 >True Administrator was great (though the final boss themes always are), but the rest of the soundtrack didn't do it for me somehow My autism is going to explode, I can barely contain it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:08:55 2012 No.9708067

The large variety of characters and styles is what makes Touhou endure. Look at someone who is obviously very passionate about Miko and TD
>>9707984
and then someone who thinks that other stages are more fun and enjoyable for them
>>9708022

Both opinions are equally valid, it's about finding enjoyment through the series though your own way.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:09:40 2012 No.9708070

>>9708022

I liked the boss fight but I agree with the stage, I thought it was pretty bland.

th06 you climb up to where Remilia is, and the background revels the moon
th07 you climb the stairs until you reach the Blossom Tree with Yuyuko by its side
th08 has 2 stages with 2 different backgrounds
th10 you reach Kanako as you hit the lake
th11 you reach Utsuho as you reach the core of old hell
th12 changes the background to a sunset like vista as you reach Byakuren

All of those have interesting ways to change the stage and it impacts you when you have to confront the final boss. TD has nothing, you stay in this bland space for the entirety of it. At least the boss theme was good.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:11:01 2012 No.9708080

>>9708019
Unless you're spamming trance and bombs for more trance and then killing yourself for more bombs like pretty much every score run out there, that one part of Miko's theme will almost always happen at either Armillary Sphere of Ikaruga-dera or Halo of the Guse Kannon. I like how the first time I fought her, I died at the exact second it started, so I thought it was how her trance theme sounded like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:14:30 2012 No.9708093 >>9708080 It's more on how long it takes for each character to take down spells. Sometimes the difference can go up to 10 seconds if a particular shot type is not very well suited for some spells.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:56:40 2012 No.9708271 TD's music has some pretty good arranges... http://youtu.be/r3Q7fPYJMTY

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:16:06 2012 No.9710200

Hey guys, "I don't like it" is not a valid argument for "it is bad". Likewise, "bland" is not only a lazy criticism, but it is also pretty easy to disprove objectively. for TD zun used fewer complex frills, which in character design is a crutch, and instead utilized amazing color and shape control to make each character pop.

I can accept you not liking characters, songs, and really anything from the game. however, your taste does not dictate my taste, nor does it determine the quality of my taste.

Acting as if it does is perhaps the biggest indicator of a selfish, immature mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:34:11 2012 No.9710231 >>9710200 >Hey guys, "I don't like it" is not a valid argument for "it is bad". Welcome to 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:38:57 2012 No.9710243 >>9710231 I know, but I felt the need to at least mention it. Even if it is futile, it would feel wrong to let that kind of behavior to go without comment.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:40:43 2012 No.9710248

>>9710200
> Hey guys, "I don't like it" is not a valid argument for "it is bad".

Of course it is. Good and bad are subjective. If I say something is bad, then yes, it's *because* I don't like it. Maybe someone else loves it, but to me it's bad. Obviously I assume you're intelligent enough to work this out for yourself, to save me the trouble of beginning every single one of my sentences with, "IT IS MY OPINION THAT..."

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:49:58 2012 No.9710268

>>9710248
That isn't how objectivty and subjectivity work. When you attack another's subjective opinion ("I like TD") as many in this thread did, you are making an objective argument, not a subjective one. And even if that weren't the case, attacking one's taste just because it does not match yours is immature and causes far more strife than is needed.

If you say 'I hate TD, heres why' and I say 'I liked TD, here is why', then there is nothing more to say on the matter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:53:34 2012 No.9710275 >>9710268 But my taste is better than yours.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:55:19 2012 No.9710278 >>9710248 Then say "I don't like it", goddamnit. You can try and explain it away all you like, but when I say "This food is terrible", I'm sure as hell not implying that you might enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 09:01:09 2012 No.9710288 >>9707218 >>9707235 I'm happy I've read this.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:31:01 2012 No.9710717

>>9707778
>Sakuya, Mokou, Alice, Yuuka, and Flandre
>comparably in Pixiv numbers

東方幽香: 28413
東方妹紅: 33874
東方アリス: 47577
東方咲夜: 58481
東方フラン: 67045

東方チルノ: 78197

I guess you can compare them, if that's what you mean, but the result of the comparison is obvious. (Also, it should actually be "東方 (チルノ OR ⑨): 81924", but let's not overcomplicate matters.)

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:43:32 2012 No.9710762

Reading this thread is pretty confusing. Are there really so many people on /jp/ who dislikes second era windows games? I'd like to perhaps chime in with the last point made in >>9707952

Maybe you guys complaining so much just don't love Touhou as much as you used to, causing you to focus on the negative points of each game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 13:05:10 2012 No.9710834 >>9710762 It's sometimes really as if everyone hates everything.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:07:39 2012 No.9710981
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Touhou games degraded in gameplay, music, and characters after 8 while the fandom exploded and a bunch of commercial shit got created. It's basically humanoid MLP now (including in Japan), and has been for a while.

Of course, newfags and casualfags (tertiaries and secondaries in Touhou's case) taking over something cool is only natural. Look at the video game industry. It's not just my nostalgia talking; popular SNES and PSX games are objectively better than modern staples such as Cawadooty and Angry Birds.

The good news is Touhou is getting saturated with white noise. There's too much shit out there, so most newfags are too lazy to obsess about anything other than ancient shit like IOSYS, Crow's Claw, and Bad Apple, in addition to the absolute newest game. And that brings me comfort.

So to anyone who considers themselves part of the Touhou fandom, don't worry. I was the same when I was 16, posting Touhou threads on 4chan, watching Touhou flashes in the school computer lab, collecting Touhou fanart, and memorizing IOSYS lyrics. But then I got older and realized that it was shit except for the porn.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 15:02:30 2012 No.9711074 >>9707153 >I also think it has the best soundtrack. Heartily agreed. There's one, maybe two weak tracks and loads of excellent ones. Suwa Foughten Field is still my favourite endboss theme.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 16:00:32 2012 No.9711240

>>9707778
Actually Cirno has more Pixiv-tagged images than any other Touhou, even Reimu, who is in second place.

However, Cirno never gets even in the top 20 in the yearly polls that are done to clarify popularity due to Pixiv numbers being unreliable.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 16:01:31 2012 No.9711243

>>9707984
>you come to the realization that Miko has been waiting for you this whole time, you can't stop her resurrection, she has already reached her ultimate goal of immortality and divine power. She is the one that can conquer Gensokyo

Ugh, you sound like a fanfiction faggot or some average youtube commenter trying to get upvotes.

Get the fuck out of here.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:09:29 2012 No.9711478

>>9711243
Agreed, he's basically the face of modern Touhoufags (many of which inhabit /jp/). Just some chuuni faggot autismally obsessed with the characters and lore the same way a 16 year old obsesses over Bleach or Hetalia or MLP or whatever kids like these days.

And that writing style. That's some REAL DEAL shit I laugh so hard cat hiss at penis

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:23:06 2012 No.9711524 >>9710981 Incorrect.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 18:54:43 2012 No.9711869

>>9711240
Actually, she doesn't. She's third behind Reimu and Marisa. What she does have is the most popular tag, but this is due to inconsistent tagging for characters with family names.

>clarify popularity due to Pixiv numbers being unreliable

It's funny because the thwiki poll is the biggest outlier here. You can't clarify reality, you just reflect it or not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 19:43:13 2012 No.9712081 >>9711478 >>9711243 It's almost like you're not allowed to be passionate about anything anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:06:29 2012 No.9712204 >>9711243 >>9711478 Primates or just retards, I can't tell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:11:20 2012 No.9712227 >>9712204 samefriend

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:17:19 2012 No.9712248 >>9712204 Your mother is a retarded primate.

>>	Dave Tue Sep 11 21:48:27 2012 No.9712488 >>9710981 so edgy

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:48:43 2012 No.9712489

This is perhaps one of the most retarded posts I have seen in a while. Those 'commercial works' by which I assume you mean the short stories and comics (as those are the only commercial products to exist), have been around for quite a while (cola), and make up the majority of what makes touhou, touhou.

If you don't like the print works, fine. but don't dare turn this into a newfag/ secondary thing. Zun, like any other creator, has stories he wants to tell. Making short stories and comics is the logical route to take, since he wants to keep the games as they have always been: about the game.

You can make all sorts of arguments about the games themselves, where you think the series has gone downhill, but to attribute that to it's popularity is folly. Zun has a different idea of what touhou should be than you do. Instead of being butthurt about it and lashing out at others that still enjoy, perhaps you should accept that it isn't what you want it to be, and move on.

Or,at the very least, if you are going to make critisisms, perhaps you should ACTUALLY make critisisms, rather than vaguely declaring things are worse without citing any specifics or reasoning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 21:51:28 2012 No.9712504 >>9712489 You realise he sells the games too, right?

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:07:03 2012 No.9712570

>>9712504
I think he does, that's why he's put commercial works in quotes to show that when he uses that phrase he's using it in the scope that the original anon used it.

However he is responding to someone who is either a troll or retard since he's bringing up Angry Birds, somehow?

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:08:03 2012 No.9712573

>>9712504
Uh, yeah? You do know what commercial means, right? Specificall how commercial products differ from ones offered in the doujin scene.

If you need clarification: The print works are all published through commercially circulated magazines. the games are still (mostly) circulated via indipendent channels.

I'll make it clear that the difference doesnt actually matter, since even if the games were published through another company, they would still be the same. I'm just pointing it out because athat was the only part of my post you felt the need to respond to.

You know, the part that didn't matter.

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