/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

I'll do it tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

OP's method of procrastination is so good, IT'S going to be number one.

[Anonymous No.]

I really will do it tomorrow. Today, rather.

[Anonymous No.]

stop using shitty kanji learning books

[Anonymous No.]

>away for one week
>Reviews due: 408
Is this experiencing Satori?

[Anonymous No.]

Should I be making my cards by hand or just downloading a deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658010
I was too lazy to to anything at all for two weeks and only ended up with around 250 cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658013
If you're talking about RTK, download the deck, you'll have to input your own stories anyway. Having to manually add each kanji is a huge pain and waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

Four months later.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to learn, but I'm so confused. I wish I could just concentrate on one thing at a time.

There's the meaning of the kanji, then the onyomi, the kunyomi, and jukugo. I don't know which is most important and I'm trying to memorize all four simultaneously and my head hurts.

[Anonymous No.]

>ETA: 8.3 hours

[Anonymous No.]

>Get home see 436 cards pending
>Say okay
>start doing deck
>write down the kanji on a notebook
>sing the on and kun readings
>type them on anki's anwer box
>done in 2 hours

Step up OP you lazy piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658010
More like:
>away from one week
>Reviews due: 2408
I don't even have a chance, so I just set new cards first. That way I don't have to review and I learn new words.

[Anonymous No.]

大好き = Daisuki, right?

The onyomi of 好 is KOU, the onyomi of 大 is DAI, and き is KI, so how does 好 fit in there? I don't understand at all. Shouldn't it be something like 大すき? Unless I'm pronouncing something horrible wrong then I don't hear the 好 in there at all.

Can someone help me please. I'm retarded

[Anonymous No.]

Is it bad to use the Japanese robot voice on google translate to teach me how to say half of these words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658066
きis okurigana of 好, making it 好き.

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>>9658070
Anki has a plugin for Chinese where all you do is add your Hanzi to a card and it fills in the rest and even whips up sound from some wav files. It's only about 98% accurate though. See if Japanese has one.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been wondering about this for a very long time. Do most people use some sort of alternative font for Japanese text in browsers? Every time I ever see Japanese written on the internet it is always very small and I have to squint just to recognize any somewhat complex looking characters.

I can't imagine that Japanese people are reading the same thing when they browse the internet. Either they have super eyesight that can zoom in on objects or every Japanese person who uses a computer suffers from chronic eye strain headaches.

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>>9658086
Why do you think all japanese people wear glasses?

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>>9658066
Another one who can't understand the difference between phonograms and ideograms.

You just can't get outside the mindset that a symbol must represent a sound do you?

Treat the various "yomi" as examples not rules. Any kanji can virtually have an infinite number of ways of being read provided they all represent the same concept.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658086

Ctrl + Mouse wheel

It will make all of the English text really big, but if you have a TRU JAPANESE SPIRIT then you shouldn't be reading white pig text in the first place.

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>>9658093

>Treat the various "yomi" as examples not rules. Any kanji can virtually have an infinite number of ways of being read provided they all represent the same concept.

Is there some sort of yomi list that I should be looking at and memorizing? I'm just using kanjidamage and I only see one example for the onyomi and kunyomi of each word.

Is there even any point in remembering the yomi examples if they can change so much? Should I just be memorizing the meaning of kanji and various jukugo or did I misunderstand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658108
>Should I just be memorizing the meaning of kanji
Learn words instead of single kanjis. It's much more beneficial and less painful.

[Anonymous No.]

Why aren't you guys sentence mining? It's 2012 and people still think that RTK is useful at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658166
It's 2012 and you are still under the illusion that they do not complement each other?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658093
Why is japanese so fucked up?

In Chinese, every character has a consistent sound except very few exceptions.

Hell, guess that I'll learn Chinese faster than I'll do Japanese (I'm learning both at the same time)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658210
Chinese also has no grammar.

Chinese is easy as fuck of a language. No go back learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658228

This must be why every Chinese person I know is so terrible at English punctuation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658232

Oh, and capitalisation.

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>>9658210

>Why is japanese so fucked up?

Because it's a peasant language that is pieced together with whatever they scavenged from the Chinese traders that would visit their primitive little island from time to time.

Japanese is like one of those really old cars that should have died, but they just kept strapping shit onto it to keep it alive and now it's this deformed steel abomination with a man sitting on a chair that is welded on top of the hood, no steering wheel, and no tires so when it goes by you just see a screaming asian man in a lawn chair and sparks flying every where as his rims grind against the road and he goes careening down the street.

That's Japanese in a nutshell.

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>>9658248

Epic analogy, that made the comprehension of the formation of Japanese language so much simpler.

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>>9658248
I can imagine that.

In Japanese, there are no rules but ONLY exceptions.

Not one part is fitting the other. I'm in despair. The mathematician in me is curled up in fetal position upon seeing this abdomination of irregularities that lacks any conformal and equative beauty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658261

You're writing in a language that is also a complete clusterfuck.
Surely the mathematician in you should have developed an ironclad consistency, having observed the English language for all those years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658261
> The mathematician in me is curled up in fetal position upon seeing this abdomination of irregularities that lacks any conformal and equative beauty.

Quit that shit. Now.

Otherwise you're in for a world of pain and eternal non-comprehension, and you will deserve it.

Human languages are nothing like math, okay? They don't follow neat little equations. You fucking calculus people and comp sci majors who think you can learn Japanese like one of your programming languages (just because it matches your other nerd hobbies) are so fucking tiresome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658267
>>9658279

okay.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658279
Hey, no bullying.
I'm not good at math either, but you don't have to take it out on him.

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone ever made a learning Japanese guide for stupid weeaboos that don't give a shit about speaking or writing?

I have no interest in talking to anyone in Japanese or ever writing anything in Japanese. I just want to consume entertainment and I don't want to learn unnecessary things that are just needed for speaking or writing. All I want to do is read and listen.

[Anonymous No.]

http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/how-to-read-visual-novels-in-japanese-in-2-years-time
-step-by-step-guide-%E2%80%95-learn-to-read-through-vn-or-anime/

I decided to follow this guide after glancing over the link in a thread a couple of days ago. Since I already know Hiragana and Katakana from taking classes before, I immediately downloaded Anki and started doing drills.

I actually find it quite fun in small doses, like a little guessing game. I have my session timer set to 10 minutes and new cards set to 30 every day, but I find myself coming back more and more to review until it says I'm done for the day. How bad does it get though? Will the number of cards I have to review every day just keep going up exponentially? That's actually quite scary.

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>>9658261

Japanese has hundreds of kanji exceptions, English has hundreds of grammar exceptions. Good news is you get used to kanji exceptions way faster.

[Anonymous No.]

In firefox you can choose a different type of fonts/size for japanse and western fonts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658394
From my experience, if you add the same number of cards each day, the number of daily reviews will stabilize somewhere around 9 to 12 times that amount after a few weeks

[Anonymous No.]

After 150+ kanji I'm stuck too. "I'll do it tomorrow". But tomorrow never comes.
I need some kind of incentive.

[Anonymous No.]

At least review the old cards or your efford would go down the toilet. I'm not adding any new cards until the daily reps are under 30. That's how you take it easy properly.

[Anonymous No.]

I should have done them 2 hours ago.
Why am I always afraid to start doing my reps? This happens everyday.

[Anonymous No.]

Do most people on /jp/ follow the method on AJATT or are you using something else?

Kana > Kanji (Meaning and writing only) > Sentence mining for kanji reading and grammar

Seems simple enough to me.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you judge your reps on anki?

I'm starting to wonder I'm being too hard on myself and I'm not really having much progress.

If I don't perfectly remember the appearance of the character, the definition, both pronunciations, and at least two of the jukugo then I throw it in the again pile and I end up repeating the same reps over and over again for hours.

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>>9658569
That depends. I'm not that strict because I know I'll eventually get everything there, you should focus your attention on trying to actually read manga or whatever if you ask me.
Of course, whatever works for you.

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>>9658569
Sounds like you have too much information for one card

You should split that up into multiple cards

see also:
http://www.supermemo.com/articles/20rules.htm
,especially point Nr 4
(Anki is based on the SuperMemo algorithm)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658569
Try spreading out that information over multiple cards.

Have a card that wants the definition, another that wants the reading, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

Anki 2 master race reporting in

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658546
Yeah that's what i'm doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658228
>Chinese also has no grammar.
Of course it has grammar. It just doesn’t have conjugation of verbs and only few plurals due to it being a monosyllabic language in origin.

Nerd.

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>>9658616

what is anki 2?

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>>9658634
The new version of Anki, it should be released sometime next month

The latest beta versins are available here
http://ankisrs.net/docs/dev/changes.html

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>>9658655
Is it safe to assume the decks will be synced with Ankiweb so upgrading won't be a hassle?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658661
The upgrade process for the beta is:
-Anki converts everything locally
-Anki uploads everything, including media, to the beta ankiweb
After that, it's just syncing like Anki 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658671
Anki would upload the media too? That doesn't sound right but if it is then that's pretty impressive.
I'm not going to try out the beta but I am curious, what's new about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658671
It should be noted that Ankiweb 2 is in no way synced with Ankiweb 1, and data from Anki 2 cannot be downgraded to Anki 1. So, don't do your repetitions in Anki 2 when you plan to use Anki 1 again, because all your changes will be lost in Anki 1.

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>>9658678
It does sync media, but he said he's planning to charge for more than a certain amount of storage

As for the changes(there are a lot), see
http://ankisrs.net/docs/dev/changes.html

[Anonymous No.]

Interesting. This kind of looks like it’s a screenshot from a student at my university.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658683
Well that makes sense. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658682
Ziet er goed uit.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys seem to have problems with reviewing, eh?

I just stopped adding new cards and reviewing altogether after getting to this point and decided to focus on reading instead.
Almost 2 years since my first kana practise now.

諸君、頑張れ！

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>>9658767
>Heisig

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>>9658798
>Greentext

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>>9658800
No, I quoted your picture nerd.

[Anonymous No.]

I’m finally going to try out Anki. Shame it’s a Qt4 application. It’ll be the only thing I use Qt for, which takes ages to build.

[Anonymous No.]

So we are showing our decks in this thread I conclude?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658210
It's pretty much like english, why are there four or five different ways to pronounce the same letter? And why in addition to that there are exceptions?

Because english is a mix of words from many different languages all of which have their own retarded reading system.

Japanese likewise has the problem of being a mix of native words and words imported from china and through china. Plus a lot mutations and aberrations that created as the spoken language naturally evolved (and the written language didn't).

So basically if a word becomes obsolte and gets replaced, it might still be written with the kanji of the original.
I think "向日葵" is one of such cases. I can't explain it in any toher way, since the pronounce of "Himawari" suggests 日　+　回 instead.

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>>9658803
>your
But I didn't post >>9658800
And Heisig is really, really good for distinguishing similar kanji and radicals. Plus, it gives the best handwriting practise.

But if you're just studying Japanese for reading comprehension it might not be as useful. Seeing kanji in use is the one best way to actually learn them.

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>>9658871
But...向日葵 is very logical for sunflover. It consists of "looking toward" "sun" "~flower". It is a jukujikun-kun word after all.

['el niño' Torres !f.2GTg.ezk No.]

>tfw you haven't even touched Anki in over 2 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658866
Do your reps stalin

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658896
Please tell me how the hell do you get ひまわり from 向日葵. I'm dumbfounded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659075
>It is a jukujikun-kun word after all.
You are looking at Japanese from the wrong perspective.

[Anonymous No.]

> I have still 205 reviews to go today + 60 new cards, I'm 1200 in on Kanjidamage after finishing Genki II
面倒臭い

[Anonymous No.]

50 new cards and 100 reviews?

Maybe tomorrow...

[Anonymous No.]

Remember /jp/, never ever try learning the stroke order of Kanji. Ok, you can do this, but godammit it's hard ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659273
There are rules for the stroke order.

[Anonymous No.]

Taking it easy. 20 EDICT entry combos (by pronunciation) and 0-20 kanji a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659273

What's the point? Do pencils still exist?

[Anonymous No.]

What's the order of importance when it comes to memorizing kanji?

Is it:

1. Meaning
2. Jukugo
3. Onyomi/Kunyomi

I tried to do all three at once, but I can't do this. It's way too much information to process at one time and my brain is exhausted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658468
I finished the session for today, it was actually really pleasant. I thought it would take a lot longer but it actually took less time than yesterday! The ones I found myself stuck on were the kanji for Gall Bladder (胆), Ladle (勺 I think this is it?) and Nitrate (硝) and some other arbitrary ones. Frankly they suck, I kept wishing they got added to my leech list, but unfortunately they repeated themselves just enough so I could remember by brute force what they were. Strangely enough, the kanji for Tongue (舌) got added to my leech list, I really wish it wasn't. I don't remember clicking Again enough times to get it added, but somehow it was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658468
I finished the session for today, it was actually really pleasant. I thought it would take a lot longer but it actually took less time than yesterday! The ones I found myself stuck on were the kanji for Gall Bladder (胆), Ladle (勺 I think this is it?) and Nitrate (硝) and some other arbitrary ones. Frankly they suck, I kept wishing they got added to my leech list, but unfortunately they repeated themselves just enough so I could remember by brute force what they were. Strangely enough, the kanji for Tongue (舌) got added to my leech list, I really wish it wasn't. I don't remember clicking Again enough times to get it added, but somehow it was.

One thing I found out that helps a lot (depending on the type of person you are) is to do something else of a grindy nature on the background while you focus on Anki. I used to play Pangya a lot when I crammed for tests and it helped me keep focused on my books for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659301
>german windows
laffo

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>>9659335
I only learn the meanings and put jukugo (and other real words) on separate cards in a separate deck. I don't care about readings at all. Too many exceptions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659386
Wine decided to stop working on my Linux partition, so I'm temporarily using Windows. I'm already sick of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658010
I do that every day, nerd.

[Anonymous No.]

I'll do it 20 minutes before the timer resets, as always.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659327
It makes it easier to memorize for me. I've learned 40 kanji in 4 days. My plan is to reach 3000 ( I am aware that 3000 is more than enough, but I want to be a very good reader).

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>>9659381

make sure you are using the book at least for to get a better understanding of primitives. I know after 500 kanji, heisig stops caring about mems and wants everyone else to write the book for him but the primitives are still important.

[Anonymous No.]

Can I set the cards to display the other way around? Like show me the kanji then I have to remember what the definition is? Or will that fuck up my learning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658086
Once you get really good at recognizing kanji you will be able to tell by the general shape + context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659478
>I've learned 40 kanji in 4 days

I do 25 per day and I rarely have to put in more than a half hour. Step up anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659765

>a kanji a minute

and all forgotten by the next day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659765

>a kanji per minute

and all forgotten by the next day.

[Anonymous No.]

I do this everyday. I can't wait to hit the 1k barrier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659745
>show me the kanji then I have to remember what the definition is
Isn't that the usual way? You want to be able to read after all. Who cares about writing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659900
It shows me a word then I hit show answer and it shows me the kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659919
That's stupid. Change it.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anki have cards with complete words and not just kanjis?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660007
Core10k works well for vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659919
Open the deck then click Settings > Deck Properties > then press the Edit button > then Card Layout. Then press the Flip button. I think that's your problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659765
Writing takes long and it's very hard to memorize all of them for me at least... It's a pain in the ass but when I think of giving up I always think "If I keep up with it, I'll know 1200 kanji in the end of the year!" Although I plan to stop at 1000 kanji and review them until I am sure that I know all of them. Then I'll move to the other 2000. Dunno if that will work though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660015
Thanks, I'll check it out.

I'm currently using my home made ghetto software to do my vocab reps ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone comment on MCD effectiveness versus the standard?

I'm nearing the end of my Core6k deck and I'm probably going to use the very large 20k deck on anki and customize the hell out of it since kana>kanji is not very useful for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660083
After doing sentences for ~2 years and doing cloze deletions since march, I have found cloze deletions to be significantly better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9659381
You can remove leeches by clicking the Browse Items icon, then searching, in this case, for tongue, and clicking the Suspend button which should be pressed down if the word's leeched.

[Anonymous No.]

Kanji is a form of bullying.

Why can't Japan clean up their language? We our guests trying to learn their tongue. Shouldn't a host make his guest comfortable?

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any essential plugins I should be downloading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660519
Shut up, nerd.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know how I can fix this?

I downloaded a kanji damage deck and it's just black for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660568
>kanjidamage
I went to their site once and I got angry at how shitty of a person the writer was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660540
Yomichan once you actually start reading eroge.

1. Hook your game with ITH or AGTH.
2. Save the output into a text file
3. Open with Yomichan
4. Once set up properly you can make your own cards pretty easily.

I (>>9658767) put up my "Visual Novel Vocabulary Deck" that way.
It's really good since premade Core Decks tend to teach a lot of "business survival words" while taking words straight from stuff you actually read is way more efficient once you've covered the basics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660572
I feel like a dumbass now that I've learned more than 200 kanji with Kanji Damage's order...

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660574
BUSTA

[Anonymous No.]

Can you catch em all?

[Anonymous No.]

By the way, are there any tools that allow you to draw a character with the mouse so you can look it up? There are some sites that have this, but I mean offline desktop tools.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660597
IMEpad

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658798

Heisig is probably the best tool for remembering kanji well enough to recognise it for anki you nerd

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660614

KD is better, nerdburglar

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660597
>draw a character
how come you prefer to draw it instead of simply looking it up on jisho?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660641

whats KD?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660007
You can use the kanji_words plugin and it'll automatically get words from an online dictionary. I know it works with the KanjiDamage Plus deck, which is what I've been using. If for some reason it doesn't fetch words, you can always just add them yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

So learning the kunyomi and onyomi is a waste of time since there's a million different variations for each word?

I'm doing my best to learn, but I'm slow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660641
For actual autists.

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>>9661356
>there's a million different variations for each word?
Why do you think so?
In most cases there are no variations; if you know both kunyomi and onyomi you'll know how to read almost every word without problem.

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>>9661395

Oh, I was just going off what I thought someone said earlier in the thread about kunyomi and onyomi.

>>9658093
>Treat the various "yomi" as examples not rules. Any kanji can virtually have an infinite number of ways of being read provided they all represent the same concept.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660591
I don't have the "chinese ball", sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

have you ever seen a cat's eyes in the dark
and wondered what they were

[Anonymous No.]

>>9661575

[Anonymous No.]

Do your reps nerds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9661410
"Virtually infinite" might be right, but what it comes down to an average is about 3-5 readings per kanji, with some of them being used in only one word, not saying anything about how common that word is. That's still a bitch to learn and not even helpful because how are you supposed to know which reading goes with what words in the end? I feel I'm better off just learning whole words.

[Anonymous No.]

I said this last night in relation to some programming after I found out what the problem was.
And I intend to stick to it.

The way I do things is planning and problem solving in morning when fully awake, then do the hard programming work towards night time.
Works well.

Of course, occasionally I just skip entire days and even weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>Missing even one day of reps

[Anonymous No.]

I was always told it's better to do the thinking/learning before going to bed.
Studying 7 hours before exams worked pretty well for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658394
Link does not work, care to fix?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9662967
http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/how-to-read-visual-novels-in-japanese-in-2-years-time
-step-by-step-guide-%E2%80%95-learn-to-read-through-vn-or-anime/

Don't follow the guide too strictly, I think you should look for an /a/ daily thread instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9662970
>Aaeru
Does she even speak japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9662970
>/a/
Please, no tripfag hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9662978
I never said he should participate in the threads, it's just that the OP has a lot of good information for people learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9662982
You don't even need to participate in the threads to see tripfag circlejerk cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9662984
You don't see the tripfag circlejerk cancer if you just look at the OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658394
I did your exact same thing. FOund that by chance and decided to go hard.

100 kanji a day. I think i'm up to about 400 reviews almost, 2 day backlog due to work, currently at 1600, 500 more new ones to go.

I've retained about 80% of them, but I shouldve probably gone at 80 a day. Need about 3-4 hours free to do 100 at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

Just finished Volume 2 of Yotsubato! and I understood more than 90% of it. Feels good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9663406
Finally paying off eh?
How'd you study?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9663538
RTK until around 2000 cards and then some Vocal deck that I didn't get that far with. I also used Tae Kim for the grammar but my both my grammar and vocab are pretty weak.
Yotsubato is easy but it still feels great, and what I don't understand I just look up at Denshi Jisho and add to a custom vocab deck.

[Anonymous No.]

i've look through several threads over the past few years about all of this but has anyone actually become fluent through anki and some online grammar guide?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9663568
I'm sorry if this sounds like bullying but that is a bit of a dumb question. No one gets fluent off text books and anki and the grammar guide are no different. After you use them you start reading and playing or whatever until you eventually become fluent.

[もこっち !DoLLFaGERs!!2JFIQGtvKGO No.]

Three hours on public transport means I'm generally on top of this. I've been reading Light Novels for grade schoolers and progressing through rather quickly.

It's extremely satisfying to do such a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9663603
Which light novels are you reading? I've been afraid to start reading light novels but I might be able to read some for grade schoolers.

[もこっち !DoLLFaGERs!!2JFIQGtvKGO No.]

>>9663604

I am currently reading ねらわれた街 however any light novel with a blue border and a bird on the spine is intended for such an age (and is cheap second-hand)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9663611
From where? Or are you in Japan? In which case any good sites for buying books internationally?

[もこっち !DoLLFaGERs!!2JFIQGtvKGO No.]

>>9663642

I'm in Sydney and there are two secondhand Japanese bookstores here. Sorry that I can't help more!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9663684

how on earth does a 2nd hand japanese book store make enough revenue to stay open in sydney?

[Anonymous No.]

>practicing kanji by practicing on and kun readings and semantic value of the character when you don't know how to construct Japanese sentences

Jesus you guys are fucking dense. Where did you get the idea that you need to study Japanese like that to learn how to read mangos and light novels. Pop open a textbook and study shit like it shows you, then when you get through 3 or 4 chapters, start studying vocabulary words with the kanji readings in place of kana readings. This is how the Chinese do it, it's not like they take character tests for each of their 3 or 4 thousand common use hanzi, nor do Anglophones study Greek and Latin roots to try to figure out how to spell English words by pronunciation. I haven't individually studied a kanji for months and yet I can read hundreds more kanji since the last Japanese course i took

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>>9664116
Dude, don't argue with their study method. It's tried and true, built up over the ages by hundreds of Japanese beginners telling each other their study methods are shit, and endorsed by Heisig-sama himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9658394
>Will the number of cards I have to review every day just keep going up exponentially?
>exponentially

No you fucktard. It cannot go up exponentially. That's reserved for your stupidity. Here's what an exponential function is:

Mon: 1
Tue: 7
Wed: 20
Thu: 55
Fri: 148
Sat: 403
Sun: 1097
The next Sunday: 1202604

Stop abusing the term ``exponential''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664079

Melbourne has a population of only 4.1 million and can support a Chinatown.
Sydney is bigger, I'm sure it can support a couple of niche book shops.

[Anonymous No.]

You know, I've been doing this for a few days, but the cards don't have the pronunciations on them. Is it supposed to be like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664170
please stop trying to force your "epic" meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664209
Aren't you supposed to create your own deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664235
Not him but personally I hate downloading premade decks. I prefer to create my own and each one of my flashcards have the on, kun and the meaning. It's much easier for me too becaue I can put those that I have just learned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664209
Looking for help to this question as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664209
Are you talking about RTK? If so, then yes, you're supposed to learn without pronounciation at first. If you downloaded that RTK deck for Anki that is most popular, it will have a field for pronounciation regardless, which is not displayed by default. You can, however, edit your card template and simply paste the reading anywhere you'd like to see it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664288
>you're supposed to learn without pronounciation at firs
Because?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664320
Read the introduction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664320
It is much more comfortable to learn the readings through vocabulary and context separately, you know, they way they truly are used instead of shoving a huge paragraph of a mnemonic into their memory outlining what the kanji means, and the dozen ways it's pronounced. It prevents you from having to remember that long mnemonic whenever you come across a kanji/compound. It essentially saves time and exercises your actual knowledge of the language as opposed to just your memory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664354
I've learned about 500 kanji at this point. Their onyomi, kunyomi, and I also have a mnemonic to remember the onyomi. Am I doing it wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664360
Whatever works for you. The person you're quoting does have a point, though. Memorizing reading in context of a work makes much more sense than memorizing reading for each kanji separately. After all, a word only has one reading, and a kanji can have up to what, 10?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664360
There is no "doing it wrong" as long as you're doing something. There is no one "doing it right" either, since everybody learns differently. The most important thing is to find one technique that works best for you(try several before you settle for one), and stick to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664360
When you come across the word-compound 生きてる in context, are you going to want to stop and say "hmm, okay, so that 生 could be sei, i, shou, u, nama. if I remember correctly when it has the okurigana of き it should be pronounced as i, so I'm gonna say it's pronounced i in this case" or would you rather say "oh, that's ikiteru, living"

You should be developing a study method for effective, efficient utilization of the knowledge. Your method of study should comply to your method of usage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664389
But I focus much more on the meaning and the context, rather than the different types of pronunciation. Right now my biggest issue is grammar and sentence structure. I just can't grasp the sentences structure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9662975

she supports your freedom to learn japanese through sharing and love

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664404
you're going to discover that memorizing onyomi is almost useless. it will give you an idea of how something's pronounced, but most words have multiple readings that you won't learn until you learn the meaning of the word. you're better off just learning the words' meanings and readings at the same time and not focusing on the individual kanji, and in that way you'll naturally come to learn onyomi and kunyomi.

what don't you understand about sentence structure? it's moderately logical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664426
Well, so far I have only read the basic grammar of Tae Kim's but for example, I was using rikai chan to translate the meaning of the kanji in a news site I was reading and I just couldn't understand a single part of what the sentence meant, just fragments and a loose sense of it. I just don't get it. I guess I should either finish the guide already

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664445
Japanese is not Chinese. It is not based on word order or slapping together fragments into a coherent meaning. It is largely based on particles and auxiliary verbs with some additional degree of agglutination. If you understand Japanese you would understand languages like Chinese, but the reverse is not true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664465
So you're saying that when trying to translate sentences I should focus on what the particles are doing to their respective nouns/verbs/whatever?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664483
of course. weeks are spent in Japanese classes on teaching them and they appear in lessons again and again even at the advanced level

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry to bother you all, but where are these cards from?

Which program are you using to do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664500
http://ankisrs.net/

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664500
I use anki and its download function to retrieve JLPT practice and Core 2000/Core 6000 sets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9663037
Mr. Grind Man, I cannot set myself to your level because I'm afraid to burn out on this, but on your homage, I have set myself 20 extra cards per day, bringing the total up to 50 new cards per day, and also added two new decks to my learning quota (albeit one of them is still empty, sadly). Speaking of which, today's session took a while!

Thought I've been meaning to ask, what are some good starter VN's? I actually feel reluctant to start with an easy language barrier because I feel I won't improve fast enough that way. I was thinking about downloading the first Umineko episode again and seeing if I can put that VN deck to good use.

[Anonymous No.]

Someone needs to write a fork of Anki where every so often a kawaii anime bishoujo will appear and say something like, "Do your reps, baka!" or, "Great job today, Anonymous!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664657
Is it even open source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664774
Open source does not mean free.

[Anonymous No.]

Please do not support software which does not give you the freedom to modify the source code.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664774
>>9664782

>Anki is dual licensed. It is distributed under the terms of the AGPL3, and the
option of purchasing a proprietary license for those who need it is also
available.

>You are free to make changes to Anki and distribute those changes as per the
AGPL3. However, if you want your changes to be integrated back into the
official Anki, you must license your code under the BSD three-clause (no
advertising) license, or a similarly permissive license, so that the code can
be used in both licenses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664782
Open source means you can fork it.

[Anonymous No.]

heisig or kanji damage?

please respond

is the only difference the mnemonics?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664796
No, it mearly means you can view the source code. It is not required that it isn't obfuscated. Or whether you can modify it, or distribute it or your changes to it. Open source is a term that should not be used to imply free software.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664811
Heisig doesn't have on and kun reading IIRC.

[Anonymous No.]

Please avoid using the term “open” or “open source” as a substitute for “free software”. Those terms refer to a different position based on different values. Free software is a political movement; open source is a development model. When referring to the open source position, using its name is appropriate; but please do not use it to label us or our work—that leads people to think we share those views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664811
no, they're totally different

Kanjidamage teaches you the kanji, all readings and some words at the same time

Heisig teaches you how to recognize Kanji, which then speeds up the actual learning, and is basically an up-front investment.
You won't know any japanese after doing the heisig method, but you can work though it at a much faster pace than Kanjidamage because it's a lot less information to rememberm and then start learning japanese without being scared of kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664830
>>9664798

Is the AGPLv3 not open enough for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664849
The AGPL is a free software license, that came into existence to patch a loophole in the GPL (where you could modify a program but not distribute it), it is a completely acceptable copyleft license. However, please do not refer to this license as "open", as covered in the prior post.

Licensing a program under a proprietary license or a free license has no determining on the "openness" of the code. sic A program can be "open" and still be proprietary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664657
I am pretty certain the plugin system already allows for something like this to be added.

That said, someone needs to write a fork of Anki that's actually configurable in a intuitive way and without jumping through seven flaming hoops.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664657
this.

[Anonymous No.]

>fork of Anki
>python
　 /＼＿＿_／＼
／　／　　 　ヽ :: ＼
|　（●）,　、（●）、　|
|　　,,ノ(、_, )ヽ、,, 　 |
|　　　,;‐＝‐ヽ 　 .:::::|
＼　　｀ニニ´　 .:::／　　　　　　N-NO THANK YOU
／｀ー‐--‐‐—´´＼
　 　　　　 .ｎ:n　　　 ｎｎ
　 　 　　nf|｜| 　　　| | |^!n
　 　 　　ｆ|.| | ∩　　∩|..| |..|
　 　 　　|: ::　 ! }　　{！ ::: ::|
　 　　　 ヽ　　,イ 　　ヽ　 :イ

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664811
heisig has worse mnemonics. KD gives you more to work with
and it's gangsta

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664811
Heisig + kanji.koohii.com master race

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664821
Wrong. Just as "free software" doesn't mean "zero cost", "open source" doesn't just mean "you can view the source code":
http://opensource.org/docs/osd

Open source was originally a marketing vehicle for free software, but then it went above and beyond GNU nerds so it's a better term.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9665630
>"open source" doesn't just mean "you can view the source code"
It does, nowadays.

[Anonymous No.]

Downloaded this earlier today, and I have no clue what I'm doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664845
>Heisig teaches you how to recognize Kanji, which then speeds up the actual learning, and is basically an up-front investment.
>You won't know any japanese after doing the heisig method, but you can work though it at a much faster pace than Kanjidamage because it's a lot less >information to rememberm and then start learning japanese without being scared of kanji.

Summarizing, Heisig is for lazy little girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9666177
For lazy little girls without a severe case of autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9663684
Damn, I'm in Melbourne.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else hate how the nippons use their simplified kanji but then also use the traditional for more obscure kanji?
繊　籤・参　滲(Some examples)

Unnecessary, just more shit you need to remember.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9666177
Please stop with the meme arrows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9665017
>>9664657
Now crowd-sourcing messages and pictures of cute girls.

http://bpaste.net/show/43299/ for a simple start. No idea if it also works with Anki 1, I only tested the beta of Anki 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667543
Simplified characters are complete garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667612
Now that I think about it, it might also be feasible to paint on Anki's main window instead of using a splash screen. That would probably require transparent images so that it doesn't look like shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667625
>writing more strokes because i'm afraid of change ;_; change is scary QQ
I'm quoting your mom.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish Japan never adopted any Chinese words. Japanese only using Kun'yomi would sound so much better and actually make sense. I like Japanese, and don't study Chinese, but I'll give the Chinese writing system some points for the fact that the On/Kun'yomi is messed up.

Japanese has hiragana, which is an amazing tool for language, because unlike Chinese they are always read the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667630
Do you know how characters are simplified? They take away meaning from the characters, stop being lazy. Taiwan has a high literacy rate than China, and they use traditional, so much for them being so much easier to read. It's about your education system, not want your language looks like.

It's not even that many strokes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667612
>Onii-chan your deck is so huge
>My reps are moving on their own
>My deck is overflowing with your cards.
>4 my mouth-card!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667653
>They take away meaning from the characters

[Anonymous No.]

>I'll do it tomorrow.
The story of my life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667659
國 → 国 Makes so much sense right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667655
>>My deck is overflowing with your cards.
This is actually pretty funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667677
So what meaning do you get when you look at 國?

You have to memorize either, there's no reason to pick the harder one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667653
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_on_traditional_and_simplified_Chinese_characters#Pro-Traditional
_characters_2

So true, honestly just read how stupid pro-traditional communists are.

If you're complaining that they take too long to write then you're a slow writer. Even complex characters like 鬱 take can be written quickly. Guys are using computers right now too, and I doubt you guys ever ever put pencil to paper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667653
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_on_traditional_and_simplified_Chinese_characters#Pro-Traditional
_characters_2

So true, look at how stupid pro-simplified communists are.

If you're complaining that they take too long to write then you're a slow writer. Even complex characters like 鬱 take can be written quickly. Guys are using computers right now too, and I doubt you guys ever ever put pencil to paper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667706
Taiwan has such lousy English education it's hilarious.

>like 鬱 take can
>Guys are using
>ever ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>9664643
Here's a pic of my progress.

I use Heisig's with TOP 2 Kouhei stories. Dudes like spiderman and Mr. T really speed that shit up and help you retain things.

If you can relate shit to pop culture it really helps.

with VN's check
http://visualnovelaer.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/how-to-read-visual-novels-in-japanese-in-2-years-time
-step-by-step-guide-%E2%80%95-learn-to-read-through-vn-or-anime/

and scroll down to where they suggest some beginner VN's, if you're talking Japanese.

If English than any of the ones here
http://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=tagspoil-0;o=d;s=rating

rated in order for her pleasure, are decent. They may not all be your piece of pie but i'm sure some will be if you do a bit of research. Currently reading Demonbane myself., amazing, easily up the top for me, apart from the H scenes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667721
whoops here's pic.

1000+ reps err day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667721
>help you retain things
>>9667728
>Correct answers: 57.6%
Is that really a good retention rate? Mine is at about 95%. Should I speed things up? My focus is on listening rather than reading. Does that make a difference in how high my retention rate should be? 60% feels so low to me. Until now I thought even my 95% were bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667909
It should be around 80 or so, it's a literature value. I can't recall the exact percentage at the moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9667909
Anything below 80% is horrible. Think about it, when you cannot remember almost half of what you learned, then you would've been better off just using half that speed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668043
Doesn't work that way. It has to hover around 80-90%, that way you are straddling the boundaries of memory and be as close to max efficiency.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do kanjidamage lack important kanji like 将 and 韓?

[Anonymous No.]

>韓
>important

[Anonymous No.]

I feel asleep at the computer trying to attempt to catch up to where I left off. Today I'll attempt my 499 card massacre in RTK!

[Anonymous No.]

You're not taking your studying seriously if you haven't made 3 decks yet: one for Japanese words into voice and English translations, one for English translations into voice and Japanese words, and one for voice into Japanese words and English translations.
Also, get SofTalk so you can make voice-tracks for each Japanese word that you study.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668350
>English translations into voice and Japanese words
That might actually be counterproductive because it makes you translate from English to Japanese instead of thinking in Japanese to begin with.

I agree with the other ones, though. You should have both if you care about both your listening and your reading skills, although having actual voice tracks for each card might be overdoing it. Kana should do just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668325

I see that one every day. Then again I actually read the news to help my fluency.

[Anonymous No.]

>サセ
>させ
Fuck you Japan, fuck you. It's been years already and I still automatically read it as
>セサ
>させ
because the kana look similar that way.
Oh and >シツソン
Fuck those to hell too. How am I supposed to know which one it is when it's weirdly scribbled in the corner of some LQ doujins' gag panel?

katakana a shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668475
Get a load of this baka.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9660572
Is there a way to have it export the hooked text into a .txt file on-the-fly while reading the VN?

[Anonymous No.]

Any native Chinese speakers in here? Can someone help translate this from Chinese?

Wǒ xiǎng yào dǎ chā yīxià. Nǐ jiǎng de zhège Linux qíshí yīnggāi jiào chéng GNU/Linux, huòzhě gēn wǒ zuìjìn gěi tā de míngchēng,GNU yǔ Linux. Linux běnlái zìjǐ bùshì yīgè diànnǎo cāozuò xìtǒng, ér shì GNU xìtǒng de yīgè bùfèn. Yǒu gè GNU corelibs, xìtǒng zhōngxīn chéngxù hé zhòngyào xìtǒng zǔ jiàn, tā cái chéngwéi yīgè quánmiàn diànnǎo cāozuò xìtǒng, gēnjù POSIX de dìngyì.

Měi rì, hěnduō shǐyòng diànnǎo de rén méiyǒu zhùyì dào tāmen zài yùnxíng yīgè xiūgǎiguò de GNU xìtǒng bǎnběn. Tōngguò yīduàn qíguài de shìjiàn, jīntiān zuì chángyòng de GNU bǎnběn jīngcháng bèi jiào chéng `Linux', ránhòu hěnduō shǐyòng tā de rén bù zhīdào tā zhēnzhèng shì GNU gōngchéng kāifā de GNU xìtǒng.

Linux zhēn de cúnzài, ránhòu zhèxiē rén zhēn de zài shǐyòng tā, kěshì tā qíshí zhǐshì tāmen shǐyòng de xìtǒng de yībùfèn ér yǐ. Linux zhǐshì xìtǒng nèihé, xìtǒng zhōng gěi qítā chéngxù fēnpèi diànnǎo zīyuán de chéngxù. Zhège xìtǒng nèihé shì cāozuò xìtǒng de hěn zhòngyào yībùfèn, kěshì dāndú méiyǒu yòngchù――tā zhǐ néng zài yīgè quánmiàn cāozuò xìtǒng yǐnèi de jǐngkuàng cáinéng yǒu zuòyòng. Linux chángcháng gēn GNU cāozuò xìtǒng jiéhé shǐyòng, jīběn shàng quán xìtǒng jiùshì GNU jiā shàng Linux, yīn'ér GNU/Linux. Suǒyǒu suǒwèi de `Linux'fāxíng bǎn qíshí jiùshì GNU/Linux de fāxíng bǎn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668475

>サセ
se ya
>させ
sa se

>セサ
ya sa
>させ
sa se

> シツソン
shi tsu so n

Did I get that right?

[Anonymous No.]

I study for almost 1 year and I still confuse あ with お sometimes.
Am I retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668564
That's not ya silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668566
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668562
GNU，一個類UNIX的作業系統，由GNU計劃推動，目標在於建立一個完全相容於UNI
X的自由軟體環境。發展GNU系統的計劃，最早由理查德·斯托曼在1983年啟動，
它是自由軟體基金會最早致力的目標。最近一個GNU系統版本，是於2011年4月1日
釋出的GNU 0.401，採用GNU Hurd作為作業系統內核。其他的內核，最著名的是Linux kernel，也被應用在GNU系統中。

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668566
I started a few weeks ago and I do this. Write it a lot of times. The fact that you "continue" the first stroke in お makes it distinguishable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668562
this is the Latin alphabet (hanyu pinyin) transliteration of the Chinese text posted on the IPv6 board on Futaba.

我想要打插一下。你講的這個Linux其實應該叫成GNU/Linux，或者跟我最近給它的
名稱，GNU與Linux。 Linux本來自己不是一個電腦操作系統，而是GNU系統的一個部分。有個GNU corelibs，系統中心程序和重要系統組件，它才成為一個全面電腦操作系統，根
據POSIX的定義。

每日，很多使用電腦的人沒有註意到他們在運行一個修改過的GNU系統版本。通
過一段奇怪的事件，今天最常用的GNU版本經常被叫成「Linux」，然後很多使
用它的人不知道它真正是GNU工程開發的GNU系統。

Linux真的存在，然後這些人真的在使用它，可是它其實只是他們使用的系統的
一部分而以。 Linux只是系統內核，系統中給其他程序分配電腦資源的程序。這個系統內核是
操作系統的很重要一部分，可是單獨沒有用處——它只能在一個全面操作系
統以內的景況才能有作用。 Linux常常根GNU操作系統結合使用，基本上全系統就是GNU加上Linux，因而GNU/Linux
。所有所謂的「Linux」發行版其實就是GNU/Linux的發行版。

See http://ipv6.2chan.net/54/res/631.htm

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668562
If you can't tell what this is about by just reading GNU/Linux, you haven't been lurking long enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668581
Haven't you noticed how writing it in moonrunes, as opposed to Latin letters, make it seem
1. much shorter and concise
2. neater
overall? I wonder what the English language would look like if it were written in Kanji. I also wonder what Chinese and Japanese would be like if they abolished moonrunes altogether.

[Anonymous No.]

Superior version.

我想要打插一下。你讲的这个Linux其实应该叫成GNU/Linux，或者跟我最近给它的

名称，GNU与Linux。 Linux本来自己不是一个电脑操作系统，而是GNU系统的一个部分。有个GNU corlibs，系统中心程序和重要系统组件，它才成为一个全面电脑操作系统，
根
据POSIX的定义。

每日，很多使用电脑的人没有注意到他们在运行一个修改过的GNU系统版本。通

过一段奇怪的事件，今天最常用的GNU版本经常被叫成「Linux」，然後很多使
用它的人不知道它真正是GNU工程开发的GNU系统。

Linux真的存在，然後这些人真的在使用它，可是它其实只是他们使用的系统的

一部分而以。 Linux只是系统内核，系统中给其他程序分配电脑资源的程序。这个系统内核是

操作系统的很重要一部分，可是单独没有用处�π�Δ��π�Δ�它只能在一
个全面操作系
统以内的景况才能有作用。 Linux常常根GNU操作系统结合使用，基本上全系统就是GNU加上Linux，因而GNU/Linux
。所有所谓的「Linux」发行版其实就是GNU/Linux的发行版。

[Anonymous No.]

I started "studying" last November but I haven't actually done any formal training whatsoever. The only tool I used at the start was a handmade 五十音 with the various modifiers listed.

The trick is immersion. Watch/listen to lots of anime and drama CDs and NHK broadcasts, read untranslated manga and doujin even if you haven't a fuck what it says. Read the "hips are moving by themselves" parts out loud. Pay attention to the kana spellings of your favorite character's or series' names. Type the second part of the captcha in hiragana.

You need to hunger for it, like a primal instinct. If you don't wake up every morning and think at some level "I AM GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST WAPANESE IN THE WORLD TODAY," there's no hope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668604
Entertaining such thoughts is as pointless as wondering what your life would be like if you were a little girl instead of a fat unemployed nerd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668562
>>9668581
我很自豪

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668604
>moonrunes
Stop this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668604
是您笨或某物？

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668594

That's the best part about Chinese sometimes. You can forgo a lot of reading if you have context.

No one REALLY knows all those characters, it's just really good guesswork.

[Anonymous No.]

I love how I can run Rikaichan over this and virtually every character gives a response.

Han unification is not yet lost

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668610
>�π�Δ��π�Δ�
uhh... what?

Is that some kind of Chinese-flavoured Greek?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668640
The magic IT world of character-encoding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9668629
It's fun going over it in Rikaichan because even if you only know a bit of Japanese/Chinese, it makes sense to some degree. Whereas if you put it through Google Translate, you get a pile of nonsense:

I want to fight to chip. Tell you that Linux should in fact be called GNU / Linux, or with me recently to its name, GNU and Linux. Linux was originally not a computer operating system, but a part of the GNU system. The-the GNU corelibs Systems Center program and important system components, it became a fully computerized operating system, according to the POSIX definition.

Daily, a lot of people who use computers do not notice that they run a modified version of the GNU system. For some strange events, today's most commonly used version of the GNU often called "Linux", and then a lot of people who use it do not know that it really is a the GNU system developed by the GNU Project.

Linux really exist, then these people really use it, but part of it is just the system they use to. Linux is the procedure for allocation of computer resources to the other programs in the system kernel, system. This system kernel is a very important part of the operating system, but not useful alone - it is only in a fully within the operating system, the situation can play a role. Linux is often used in conjunction root of the GNU operating system, basically the whole system is GNU plus Linux, thus GNU / Linux. All the so-called "Linux" is actually release of GNU / Linux releases.

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>>9668649
Why does it seem that everytime character encoding gets fucked up, greek letters and the ? inside a triangle are the ones that shows up the most?

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>>9668660
I'm assuming you're not using Firefox, or that you've set a different default font to me. I'm getting diamond shapes instead, mixed with the Greek letters "pi" and "delta".

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>>9668679
I got those too.

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>not using rikaikun
>not being chrome master race

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What would the /g/ stallman GNU/Linux copypasta look like written in Japanese?

When Stallman sends his email replies, is it intended that he's using a formal/polite tone, or a more casual tone? What verb conjugations should be used when writing it in Japanese? You don't want to make it sound too awkward by using the wrong language.

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>>9668702
but Chrome is a botnet.

>>9668629
>Han unification is not yet lost
As long as characters aren't simplified any further.

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>>9668702
The "Perapera" add-on for Firefox is good too, you can switch between Japanese and Chinese look-up. Image related.

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>>9668705
>What verb conjugations should be used when writing it in Japanese?
DE ARU

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>>9668911
may as well write it in Heian period Japanese.

Is /jp/ a bad enough guy to write it in Old/Classical Japanese?

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>>9668967
de aru nowadays is used to state facts or make official statements. Perfect for a GNU kopipe.