/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

What's the definitive version of 'Touhoumon'?

I know of Puppet Play and World Link. Puppet Play seemed more coherent, and World Link seemed like it had a bunch of extra and unfinished shit on it.

Should I just stick to Puppet Play or has World Link got all it's extra stuff sorted out by now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624117 touhoumon.jpg
>Nekochen

As if there is any other kind of chen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624117
There is no "definitive" version, since there are different modders each making their own schtick. What are you looking for? Balanced? Insanely difficult? Similar to pokemon or different? In the more recent editions they completely changed typing.

[Mush !Mush..gCQk No.]

>>9624117
Currently playing the FireRed 1.812 version of Puppet Play that was ported and translated.

Basically just the original mod's last version, in English. You can get it here:
http://lkaexe.supersanctuary.net/thmn18eng/

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624161
Im not OP, but i have been looking for a balanced translated rom. After some search i have decided to pick aquamentis edition, but im wondering if there are better ones.
Obviously im fine with just having all the pokemon replaced, with no story and location fuckery.

[Mush !Mush..gCQk No.]

>>9624195
Whoops, sorry, I'm actually not playing that. I forgot I opted for the 1.812 FireRed version that had all the unofficial patches added in.

This has music, player sprites, extra evolutions, and whatnot added from unofficial patches to Puppet Play 1.812:
http://animackid.wordpress.com/category/touhou-puppet-play-enhanced/

[Anonymous No.]

1.8 with the patches you want or 1.8 enhanced if you're unable to play it in japanese.

I can't really recommend World Link and the (completed) Gensokyo Scenario though. Compared to 1.8 it's just much lower quality: A lot of sprites look terrible and the music consists mostly of random (vocal) songs inserted into the game.

[Anonymous No.]

I played a Fire Red Hack three or four years ago. Now I'd like to try a recent edition and had been eying Emerald, but the 1.8 ones seem incomplete at the moment. Has Fire Red hack been changed so thoroughly to warrant another go, or should I try an Emerald one first? Are the starters in Fire Red still Reimu, Marisa, and Sakuya? In the Emerald one I downloaded the starters were Sanae, Alice, and Reisen.

What exactly is the World Link/Gensokyo Scenerio? Do they completely alter the map/story/characters?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a patch to effectively neuter the whole EV/IV thing (for example set the value to 0 or maximum for everyone)? I bloody hate the darn thing

[Anonymous No.]

I like Alice, Reisen and Patchouli, but since they are all psychic-types, I was forced to choose one. I went with Reisen. She's Advent Reisen now.

Anyway, mine's called the "Merry" version. It refers to the girls as Touhous. It has a fair bit of grammar and spelling issues, but otherwise it's playable.

[Anonymous No.]

I've only seriously played Touhoumon Blue, and a bit of one or two others.

[Anonymous No.]

I am doing a Nuzlocke run on

>>9624205
For the hell of it. Caught a touhoumon weak to this gym so I was basically stuck with Reisen. I gained a newfound respect for Confuse Ray+Tail Whip here, very very close call here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624359
How ironic, they're starters in Emerald and are now different types. I think Alice is Heart type and Reisen is Reason. Finally, Psychic doesn't exist anymore!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624322
Why do you hate them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624463
Hmm... Go figure.
Well, that's interesting. I did think the psychic-type was awfully prominent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624463
Reisen is heart type.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624467
The grinding I woud imagine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624467
Because I already wasted enough time doing them every generation, and it goes against the feel of making bonds with your pokemon, kinda opposite of the Nuzlocke concept. Instead of accepting and raising your caught Touhou with love and care, you now mechanically figure out if they're good enough if if not (vast majority of the time) you delete them from existence ;_; It encourages murder!

Ideologically EV/IV are supposed to make Pokemon feel unique, but it feels pointless because on the competitive scene everyone has near perfect for them (most likely perfect due to easy hacks) so you need to put in extra wasted time or cheat to stay on par, and it's doesn't add strategy at all.

So it's either waste time and deleting countless Pokemon for each one you're interested in using, or feel that your efforts to lovingly raise your own ultimate pokemon is in vain since it'll never actually be as good as one with perfect EVs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624488
Why would you grind for them if you're not into tournaments?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624494
Whoa, I think you're taking Pokemon too seriously, mate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624475
That's just because Touhou characters don't really fit into the Pokémon types too well. Psychic was kind of a catch-all along with Dark.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you get all the alternate evolutions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624494
;_;
Well, you do have a point there. However, EVs (or the lack thereof) do not make a particularly large difference because your Pokemon will also more than likely have maximum EVs by the end of its journey. They might not be properly attributed, but if you use berries, or even if you don't, it's not impossible to overcome a superior opponent. IVs could potentially create a chasm of 31 stat points, but a situation of 0 vs 31 is very rare. 10-20 differences aren't so bad. You can always win, with the right moveset and proper strategizing. And luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624475
>>9624500
Yeah, it's kind of like how in RPGs with classes, every single Windows Touhou could quality as a mage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624505
>>9624494
>>9624467
Right, thing to remember with EVs is that they are in no way required to beat the main game, you only need to care about them for multiplayer stuff. Don't worry about them man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624503
Moon/Sun Stones primarily. Sometimes an elemental stone, or special circumstances. At least, that's the case in my game.

>>9624518
Yes, definitely. EVs/IVs make little difference for the main game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624522
They never work when I try to use a moon or sun stone even if the wiki says they evolve from them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624505
>>9624518
Yeah, I guess I'll take it easy with Touhoumon since I won't be playing it with others anyways (or is there some online program written for it?). I probably wouldn't have taken it so seriously if it wasn't the common attitude on some Pokemon boards that if you didn't try to have perfect EVs and IVs you were a moron, your Pokemon are shit, and you always deserve to loose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624525
Right. Um, let's see... Does it tell you the stone did nothing? I believe you have to have unlocked the national dex for them to work. It's a hassle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624528
Look, don't worry about all that. The original intent of the Pokemon series was for you to have an adventure with the friends you catch on your journey. The online community has somewhat bastardized this concept, but you don't need to feel limited to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624528
Smogon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624205
What is the Renko patch for?

[Anonymous No.]

Is this from the same game or different?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624574
Seems pretty clear to me that it is from the same game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624528
> I probably wouldn't have taken it so seriously if it wasn't the common attitude on some Pokemon boards that if you didn't try to have perfect EVs and IVs you were a moron, your Pokemon are shit, and you always deserve to loose.
Nobody's like that, actually. It's pretty much common sense that you don't need any special training to beat the main game (unless maybe you're playing a hard mode hack), and people who say otherwise are either trolling you or being stupid.
Even if you want to go competitive at some point, nobody is forcing you to EV train or to breed a billion eggs looking for good IVs, but you might lose a lot of speed matches if you don't do that.

[Anonymous No.]

I would be willing to play another one, but only if it was a complete conversion i.e. the world was completely different. If I wanted to play through pokemon, I'd play pokemon. I want different battles, different maps and dialogue too.

Any versions like that?

[Anonymous No.]

EVs and IVs are stupid. I'm not wasting my time and putting effort into a stat that isn't listed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624692
There's a few like that out there, try digging around on this site:

>>9624205

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624880
They may not be listed but they are calculable.

>>9624531
I hated that. In order to own Pokémon XYZ you need to own the magic Pokédex.

[Anonymous No.]

I would like to try out a touhoumon game. May I get some recommendations on which ones to play and for what particular reason, like as that earlier post said, balanced, hard, similar to pokemon, etc...

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624880
EVs and IVs are modifiers that affect the stats you can see. Though you can get through the game fine without fucking with them, it's only for competitive play.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just me or are Another World and World Link glitchy as fuck? I think most people experience the music randomly cutting out, but does anyone else get graphical glitches like sprites being replaced with the wrong sprite during story sequences and stuff like that?

Will these ever be fixed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9626770
Probably not unless they update it to use the more recent version of Touhoumon 1.8. Those games are based on the 1.5 versions. A lot has changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624880
I agree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9626777
>>9626770
Are we talking about the game that plays in Gensokyo made by this Sanae person?
Ya I experienced such bugs too and I think he stopped working on this game which is a shame because it had alot of potential with the story and such

[Anonymous No.]

>>9626833
Yeah, that's the one. As far as I can tell the most recent versions released toward the end of 2011 are listed as the final versions. So that's a bummer, because the bugs really bog an otherwise cool little game down.

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>9624472
Not illusion type? What the hell?

[Anonymous No.]

Do all the Touhoumon versions have the same soundtrack and sprites?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9626882
Her eyes drive people to insanity (changing their mental[heart] state of being), so that's probably why she was given the heart type.
Alternatively, useless bunny only good for sex appeal

[Anonymous No.]

Is it normal that i encounter a male yamame in the game, and it is like the only touhoumon i have seen and own which is male...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9626889
I'm pretty sure the sprites are mostly uniform but they certainly don't all have the same music. Another World and World Link have a ton of tracks from the entire Touhou series as well as a lot of other games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9626893

That's kind of a stretch if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9626898
Depends on the version you are playing.
Older Japnese Touhoumon had a 5% rate of male for all puppets; however, this changed to 50% "ying" and 50% "yang" on the more current versions.
I am not sure how the English community sorts their gender rates, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9626906
Any difference between yin and yang puppets?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9626913
In terms of stats, no. The types are only important when using care center for breeding. Just like in original Pokemon, there are egg moves which can only be gained through eggs and lower level moves which can only be gained by leveling from egg (since wild Pokemon always learn new move and forget oldest one)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9624463
Er...actually, Reason is essentially the psychic type of the game, though there are considerably a lot less touhous of that nature. You'll probably notice a lot of the type edits are similar to original ones. Like Dream being Fighting and Wind being Electric. One thing I'm really glad about is that Poison (or Miasma) finally isn't the worst type ever anymore, gaining some resistances and another strength (it actually makes early game Yamames kind of frightening).

>>9626346
If you want ridiculously difficulty, try looking for Insane version and Extra version. It edits the maps, but there's a good chance you'll lose interest before getting to enjoy them (plus Extra only has up to 2 gyms completed).

Another World and World Link also have their maps changed, but the games are pretty...lackluster and kind of end up one big clusterfuck.

Your best bets for a decent game are probably Gensokyo Scenario (the Japanese hack which Another World is based off of, incomplete but marvelously well done taking place in Gensokyo) or Touhoumon Blue, which isn't exactly a complete map edit or anything, but gets rid of all the stupid forced HM required areas. You can literally run around the world in just a few hours without beating a single gym leader or cutting a single tree. It also has some original touhou evolutions of it's own (headcrab Pyonta evolving into hard gay will always be my favorite).

[Anonymous No.]

>>9627028
I thought Heart was the new Psychic. It even has the same color.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9627240
Well, I will say that a few of the touhous that were in the Psychic type originally became Heart types, like Reisen who was mentioned earlier, Reason generally seems to cover most of the moves Psychic used to have. Also, if you look at the strength/weakness chart, it's typing is actually pretty close to how Psychic originally was (strong against Dream/Fighting and Miasma/Poison, while weak to Ghost and Dark).

Heart is kind of an odd type in my opinion, since it seems to take a few of the Normal type moves that Flying and Beast types hadn't taken in the update, like Headbutt for example. It also has a few original moves of it's own for good measure, like Wanting which if I remember is the Heart version of Theif. I guess it was really just made for added balancing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9627028
What do you mean by Gensokyo Scenario being incomplete, like the story stops at one point or something?

I think I'd really enjoy playing the new/different world hacks much more, so Gensokyo Scenario is the way to go?

[Anonymous No.]

I will say that Insane version was my favorite.
The little easter eggs were really nice, the fact that the world map was reshaped, and I liked how the evolutions were handled.
That said, I was never able to complete it because I got stuck in the tower in lavender town (or the hack's equivalent).

Aqua+Yui or Blue version are also good if you don't want to grind forever and ever.

[Anonymous No.]

Well I had fun playing touhoumon. Shame there's no easy way to enjoy the multiplayer aspect of pokemon on this hack though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9630492
I'm sure if you packaged a prepatched rom, uploaded it to mediafire, and made an easy to read step by step instructions like the GUST threads you could garner somewhat of a following.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a touhoumon that doesn't have such shitty sprites?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9630492

this isn't easy enough for you?

http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=7.0

[Anonymous No.]

>>9630781
I recommend this, too. It's pretty nice and easy to understand, and better than VBA link since it doesn't lag as hell. Too bad there aren't many players.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are all Touhoumon games based in Fire Red? Kanto is a horrible region.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9630853
Kanto was great in G/S/C.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9630853

what are you talking about? there are plenty of good emerald hacks, one of which is still getting regularly patched.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there an equivalent touhoumon to every pokemon that can be found on routes? Like am I just going to find CTokiko, CNazrin and CDaiyousei on Route 22? No Nidoran/spearow counterpart?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9630519
That does not compute. Even the older 1.5 ones were adorable.

>>9630891
That will depend entirely on what hack you're using.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9631199

Well, whatever sprites are in the one from your picture is the one I'm using it seems. I guess I've found out by now there's no correlation like that at all. When does Reisen evolve? And stop being so useless?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9631288
That doesn't narrow it down enough, there are multiple different hacks that use those sprites.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9631411

Oh, then how can I describe it? The starters are Reisen, Sanae, and Alice, types have been changed to the one posted >>9624463
the characters and story are all the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9631475
These might help a bit. Not sure if they're 100% accurate, but they're as close as I've found.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhoudex_2/Touhoudex_2
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhoudex_2/Locations_2

[Anonymous No.]

>>9630781
Oh, that looks pretty nifty.

[Anonymous No.]

Personally, I have played Blue, World Link, Puppet Play Enhanced, and one that was awfully difficult (Emerald X?).

So, for comparison, I much prefer Puppet Play Enhanced these days. One for the new sprites, as posted by >>9631199 (so damn cute), and also because of the new typing, which spices things up quite nicely.

Blue also has new sprites, but still uses the old typing.

World Link is supposedly the longest Touhou hack, but everything after vanilla content is horribly hackish (and the person who made it cannot into English, truly nightmarish).

Emerald X was, well, quite unfair. I rage-quit when I came upon my rival in a patch of grass, and he had an evolved level ~30 Touhou with dark/ghost typing (what the fuck, haven't seen a better defensive typing yet) that could literally wipe the floor with my whole party, which was around level 18-20. All wild Touhou in the area were around 9-10, so fuck that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9631758
I hate those hacks that require insane grinding. That's not difficulty, just patience.

[Anonymous No.]

Yes, there's a difference between "difficult" and "grindfest".

Which hacks are "difficult"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9633004
I think in general, there is no "easy" Touhoumon game since they all have a nice bit of challenge to them. I'd say anyone other than the Insane Touhoumon is difficult enough.

[Mush !Mush..gCQk No.]

>>9633004
This so much.

It's annoying seeing hacks passed as "difficult" when all they do is up the up the levels of the opponents. That's not difficult, that's grindy.

Difficult, I think, would be giving the foes well balanced teams with good movesets. The Battle Tower sets the pokemon all at the same level, but has some pretty difficult battles because of the movesets they give the pokemon.

[Anonymous No.]

The elite four is pretty bullshit in touhoumon enhanced.

Since the touhous almost always have a attack that is strong against the type they are weak against, it's like what the fuck it just comes down to whoever is faster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9633492
>Since the touhous almost always have a attack that is strong against the type they are weak against
That's no different from vanilla Pokemans.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a ditto equivalent in Puppet Play V1.8?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9633635
For breeding purposes, I should specify.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9633492
It's like that for many trainers and elite four of more recent Pokemon gaes. They've learned since the days of the original, and design strategy to stump people abusing their prime elemental weakeness

[Anonymous No.]

Kikuri is such a pain in the ass to catch. Just like the normal legendaries.

But she's so weak. I saved my lunatic orb for whoever was going to be the mewtwo equivalent, but my Reisen can one shot her with every single move she knows.

I outright refuse to use it on a touhou of basically the same type that's drastically weaker than my Reisen. Reason is weak to heart and dark sure, Reisen has three moves that fit those. But even with the reason type move Reisen one shots her

[Anonymous No.]

>>9634443
You don't have to, there's another touhoumon out there worth using the lunatic orb on. After you beat the elite 4 there's a touhoumon running around in the grass that can be randomly spotted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9634443
This reminds me, wasn't there a Touhoumon version where the catch rate for some legendary thing was 1 instead of the usual 3? I wonder if even the Master Ball could fail against that. There's a reason 3 is the lowest rate anything has ever had.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9634467
Yeah, I save / reloaded on speed up until she was caught with a hard orb. It took quite a lot of tries. I thought I remembered mewtwo being higher level than the other legendaries, but apparently not. Not the first time my memory has failed me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9634492
It didn't fail you; the birds were all level 50 while Mewtwo was at level 70.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm playing Another World, and I just got to the Kanto region. I think at this point, I'll just switch to Puppet Play Enhanced latest ver because from what I'm seeing it's the most recent/polished version. World Link will probably come after, but I think I would have preferred Another World being something like the Japanese Gensokyo Scenario but in English, instead of being all over the place with Kanto region and I don't know what else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9634478

yeah, anjirusensei's scaret emerald. it was a level 90 lw remilia and it had a recoil move with a catch rate of 1.

if thrown at full hp the master ball could miss, but the chance was relatively low. not like it mattered considering he changed the master ball to be right behind the thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9633492
I did a lot of grinding against the first two Elite 4 trainers before being defeated again and again by the third trainer. After a while, I just went with Sleep > Calm Mind spam > that Reason attack Reisen learns around level 40-50. For some reason, Reason (duh huh huh) is a pretty damn good type for almost all of the Elite 4's Touhous. In fact, it completely rapes every Touhou on the last guy's team.

[Anonymous No.]

Are heart stones limited in Puppet Play Enhanced?

[Anonymous No.]

When can I use these hearts to evolve my team to their technical, helper, etc. forms? In their chibi form I could've used them on them, but when I used it it just said "Huh?" and nothing happened, but now that they're all evolved all the stones say "No use."

I have Puppet Play 1.812

[Anonymous No.]

What is the strongest touhoumon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9634443
What touhoumon version is that?

[Anonymous No.]

What is the most difficult translated touhoumon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635710
Puppet Play 1.8, you need the national dex. Beat the elite four, catch 60 pokemon, and see Oak for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635710
After beating the Elite 4.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635792
>>9635794
So you have to keep all of you pokemon underevolved until then? That's kind of retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635757
I'm guessing Puppet Play 1.8.

>>9633635
In Puppet Play 1.8 they're relatively easy. My team of lvl 45-50 Touhoumons took them down while they were all in their 60's. By the late game good usage of attacks can counter most bullshit, might work the same in Touhoumon Enhanced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635796
The normal form is already plenty powerful. The other forms mainly shuffle stats around (i.e. Attack has more focus on attack stats, and less defense stats). The normal forms are supposed to be ``balanced'', while others specialize on two or stats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635796
Yeah it is pretty lame if you wanted someone you really liked to get into one of those forms, but once you get the national dex you can start breeding touhoumons on one of the Islands, I think 4.

On that note is there a ditto equivalent for breeding in this game? Kinda remember Tori being it in one of the older versions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635803
Reimu being the slut she is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635792
>>9635794

Oh, all right. Well I've been trying to catch everything, I think I've got maybe 60 or so caught, as well as Mima and the one legendary from Seafoam Isles. So I've got that covered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635803
>>9635840
Surprised it's not Satori, it'd make sense

[Anonymous No.]

Which of the games has all the bird youkai available?
I'm talking Utsuho Mystia Aya Hatate and so on. Wouldn't be the best team, but i always liked bird youkai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635892
Puppet play even has Tokiko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635892
Every Touhou game has those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635892
Puppet Play 1.8 has Tokiko, Mystia, Hatate, Utsuho, Aya, and Tori. Plus there's various different forms for most of them.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got the download link for the game?
I mean the one everyone's using, there are a lot of different versions out there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635863
Satori is Wobbuffet, not Ditto.

>>9635906
This. Most of the newer ones have them all except for Kasen and the TD cast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635917
Which one has the TD cast in it then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635911
http://animackid.wordpress.com/2012/08/24/touhou-puppet-play-1-8-enhanced-v1-11-released/#comments

Looks like it updated just recently. Time to fix my rom.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone upload an already prepatched version please?
That patching process seems like a lot of work and I don't really get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635950
It's really simple man, just download the patch, use the patching thing on a clean rom, and play the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635950
Of what? Your mother? Besides, patching is like three clicks. Do it yourself, mofo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635955
Not just a clean ROM. It needs to match the revision and region too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635976
>>9635950

See:

>>9624195

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635900
Aaand i'm sold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635976
Just grab this rom man, no need for fancy searching.

http://coolrom.com/roms/gba/14488/Pokemon_-_Fire_Red.php

[Anonymous No.]

>>9636029
I'm not a man

[Anonymous No.]

>>9630781
>>9630781
We should try and get this going here. Could be fun playing against one another.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any other Touhou ROM hacks?

>>9636029
As long as that's what it expects. There is apparently another revision, and I would assume the Japanese ones are based on the Japanese ROM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9636029
Tried using the patch on this, doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9633635
Kedama's the equivalent, though I'm pretty sure that all Touhoumon are in the "Humanshape" egg group and can interbreed as much as they want.

[Anonymous No.]

I have a rather dated version of Puppet Play--no custom music, types, etc. My ROM says it's 1.53.
I tried playing the enhanced version of 1.812 but when I run it in VBA, the screen is just white and nothing happens. I adjusted my emulator settings, too. Anyone else encountered/fixed this problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9636252
https://minus.com/lbfxCFLGQMHfgk
Here you go, faggit, hope that's enough spoon feeding for you.

>>9636082
I downloaded that recently, but I can't be bothered to create a 6-Touhou team, and I don't want to register for an online game.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best touhoumon version where the hackers implemented a physical/special split?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635077
I think that you can buy them in the secret island you can access after completing the Kanto dex. After you do that, you go to the Celadon apartment and talk to the Gamefreaks crew, and they'll hand you a certificate and a ferry pass, and you can go to a special island where you can buy every item in the game, learn or delete moves, reset your Touhoumons' level and EVs, and EV train. It's pretty much the place where you go to get your Touhoumon "tournament ready" or whatever without hacking bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9636305
Puppet Play Enhanced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9636304
Yes, thank you master.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9635710

If you get the english Puppet Play Enhanced, you can use stones to evolve any touhou into any form you wish regardless of what they already are. Heck, if you wanted a 'normal' Reimu back, you just gotta use the same type of stone on their
newer forms.

http://animackid.wordpress.com/category/touhou-puppet-play-enhanced/

The author of these patches says don't upload the pre-patched roms and download the patches instead. The links for Another World and World Link are also on that website. Seriously, the patch takes three clicks and 2 seconds. I'll even upload the clean rom for fire red (U) v1.0.
http://www.mediafire.com/?yrldrixlecl434c

[Anonymous No.]

>>9636772
What's the difference between Another World, World Link and Puppet Play?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9631758
"Emerald X" was probably Scarlet Emerald from what you said. It's actually kind of funny since the creator lowered the grindfest from his previous hack, Touhoumon Extra for it. All and all, I wouldn't say it's too bad from how far I played, I even enjoyed some of it due to most trainers and gym leaders having decent Pokemon and movesets. The only real stopping point at the Mauville gym and even the creator himself is aware of it as he mentions it in the readme that used to be on his personal mediafire link.

>>9633635
>>9635803
I'm pretty sure the Ditto is Kedama, though for breeding you can pretty much use almost any touhou combination since the majority are in the humanshape category.

>>9635863
Satori may not be the Ditto, but they hilariously made her the Wobbuffet in the original series. The same form actually returns again in 1.812 as her technical form

>>9635922
The unoffical Japanese Johto patch and 1.8 Enhanced

>>9636106
You know...don't quote me on this, but I don't remember ever using a Japanese rom for them...

>>9636299
You probably had the wrong rom version of the original Fire Red, as I remember seeing that same issue with other Pokemon hacks as well. Make sure you check which version it requires and use only that one (if it's Enhanced you're using, I think it's Fire Red 1.0).

[Anonymous No.]

>>9636918

Puppet Play (or Puppet Play Enhanced for the english version) is kind of like the main Touhoumon, following the Japanese 1.5x/1.8x patches. This one takes place in Kanto first (story is just like Fire Red), has new types like Reason, Illusion, Dream, Faith, etc, and the evolution system is much more flexible. Most of the Touhou's have only one stage of evolution, but different forms/styles according to what you do: Let it evolve with levels or use specific heart stones/rainbow shard after getting the National Dex. For example, you can let Chibi Patchouli evolve into a Reason type Patchouli or use different Heart Stones to let it evolve into a Wind/Earth type Defense Tank DPatchouli or a Fire/Water type Offense Glasscannon APatchouli. You can even get an Offensive Sakuya or a Helper/Support Sakuya. In the Puppet Play Enhanced version, you can switch between all the evolutions as you see fit using Heart Stones, apparently. Also the Touhous are really well balanced. This game is the most recent one and it is receiving regular monthly updates.

Another World is based off the incomplete Japanese Gensokyo Scenario. This one takes place all around Gensokyo and Kanto. It follows the regular pokemon types and the evolutions are somewhat more linear like an average pokemon game: the touhous have multiple evolution stages (Chibi, Normal, EX, Last Word, Dark, Final, etc...) and the top tier evolutions require trading and other requirements. (You can always trade with yourself). However, this game is also known to be the buggiest, including music randomly stopping/restarting and the sprites sometimes screwing up. This game is halted/finished and receives no more updates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637056

World Link is more similar to Another World in terms of Touhous/evolutions/types/gameplay but follows the Emerald pokemon series as well as having the same pokemon story. It contains three regions and receives occasional updates.

tl;dr

Puppet Play Enhanced is Fire Red story, regularly updated, well balanced, new and different types, simple/flexible/innovative evolution system, and most well polished.

Another World is Gensokyo/Fire Red story, receives no more updates, linear evolutions with emphasis on hard to get top tier forms, same types as regular pokemon, gimmicky and buggiest Touhoumon.

World Link is Emerald story, occasionally updated, linear evolutions with emphasis on hard to get top tier forms, same types as regular pokemon, and gimmicky.

It is up to personal preference, people basically enjoy PPE because it is more consistent/polished/balanced/innovative but Another World and World Link for the story/length/hard to get evolutions and stuff. Personally I'm going to finish PPE before playing the other two.

I could be wrong on many things, I just started playing Touhoumon yesterday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637058
Nah, you explained things pretty well.

To add to that Touhoumon 1.812 Enhanced also had altered battle music from the original Japanese version. This is actually somewhat frustrating during a gym battle where the track the creator chose takes a while to start up and you can wipe out about half the leader's team depending on who you're fighting.

Also, as for Another World, if I remember correctly the creator took the liberty to alter the original game again. This time upping the difficulty of already slightly challenging "boss fights" from the original Gensokyo Scenario into grindfests/get lucky to win scenarios. I don't understand why so many Touhoumon romhackers feel that the very first gym leader/boss in the game *must* have an evolved touhou in their party when you have little to no means be beat them at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9636029
I downloaded this Fire Red rom, and the patching it with the latest Puppet Play went just fine. But it refuses to save, saying "Save Error". So I guess this rom version doesnt work with the latest patch? What version actually DOES work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637365
Just use VBA save states.
Shift + F1-9 I think it was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637408
Oh, of course. Jesus fuck I am dumb. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637365
>>9637408

NO NO NO DON'T DO THIS.

If you use save states, you will NOT be able to continue the game after beating the first elite 4 or the leagues. There are always extra regions and I think all three of the games have content until all the way to level 100.

The reason you cannot continue is that usually, after beating the elite 4, there are credits that play and the game restarts while saving your game post-elite 4. Using save states will screw this up, and you will find yourself eternally stuck like I was when I played the original Fire Red with the save game shit broken. (It's the same game so I'm sure it will happen)

To fix the save problem, BEFORE you boot up the Touhoumon rom, go to options and set these settings up:

Real Time Clock on (options - emulator - Real Time Clock)
Save type to Flash 128 kb (options - emulator - save type - flash 128kb)

Also note that the best version to run Touhoumon is on VBA 1.7.2 and VBA Link 1.7.3 if you want to use link.

To f

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637365
Change the save size and try again. If it pops up a 1M circuit error at the start you dun goofed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637464

Also note that this:

Real Time Clock on (options - emulator - Real Time Clock)
Save type to Flash 128 kb (options - emulator - save type - flash 128kb)

has to be done on every Touhoumon because of compatibility if you play on VBA. If you go on the touhoumon blog/website it's written down on every patch post and it's also written on the README files you get if you actually read them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637477
I am playing it on my PSP with gpsp. Do I have to do anything special?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637464
Okay, I did this and it works. Thanks anon. I know I would have gone hyper pissed if I got to Elite Four and lost all info.

[None !FIreFlyLqM No.]

>>9637498
It'll run fine, don't worry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637498

I passed PPE and Another World to my non-Touhou friend and she's playing it on her iPad with the iPod GBA emulator gpsphone just fine, save states working and all. It should be fine on the psp as well.

[Mush !Mush..gCQk No.]

>>9637498
I'm doing this as well and it works fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637535
>friend
>iPad

[Anonymous No.]

I get the Attack, Defense and Speed types, but what does Technician and Helper really do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637780

I think technician is high sp.atk and speed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637780
Helper seems like it just has nice team battle support moves. Technicians should be Sp. Attack sweepers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637780
I'm guessing Helper are those irritant fucks that are hard to kill and put on wheaters/debuffs and that kind of shit on your team and/or heals and buffs his mates before his actual team does their job.

I might be wrong, I've left Pokémon at RSE when half the meta that exists today wasn't around, and I never actually went too deep into it.

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9637780

tech forms usually shift the char away to something the rest of their forms don't do. tech alice becomes a fast physical sweeper instead of a bulky special attacker, tech toyohime because special swampert instead of a physical wall, so on so forth.

helper forms usually focus on support in some form or another, be it through baton passing or just walling. star and helper star are basically the same puppet but with their def/sdef stats swapped.

the only real exception is helper eirin which really would fit better as a tech eirin, but i guess "help me, eirin" struck back in the form assignment.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I've inadvertently made my whole team weak to ghost. I really hate this type switching, it throws me off. My only counter to ghost is Murasa, but often times she's not fast enough to get a shadow punch in so I can find myself getting wiped pretty easily.

[Anonymous No.]

Thanks for the answers. I'm playing it right now and a few more questions popped up. If an item says it can be sold at a high price, is it basically like a nugget, just for selling? (cuz I found Stardust and Star Piece) Also, are heart stones and rainbow shards limited?

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9637809
beast and heart types resist ghost-type attacks. lily white is there if you want a more passive solution that doesn't die, and if you want to get more personal there's momiji and nazrin. nazrin 4x resists ghost attacks, but she misses out on crunch (which momi gets) so you'd have to retaliate with killing bite's shaky 80 accuracy.

>>9637958
just like regular pokemon, yeah. the only items you should worry about keeping are green and red ufos since they're move tutor food. every shard that's not a rainbow shard should be for sale in the celadon department store, but until you get the national dex the only stone form available is attack keine and i think the only rainbow shard available is thiefing the champion rematch emarisa, but that might be changed in ai's port.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9637999

I'm already at Victory Road, so I think I'll pass on throwing momiji in the day care for 30 minutes while i ride my bike in uderground pass. My Reisen is heart type, but it seems she dies easily too. I don't get that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9638139
I don't recall too much, but I think Reisen may be a bit of a glasscannon. So if she isn't strong enough to land a one or two hit KO then you'd have serious issues with them still. You could probably mop the floor with ghosts using Attack Keine though, and I think she's actually the one stone evolution available before the national dex.

For reference:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhoudex_2/AKeine

[Anonymous No.]

>>9638139
Reisens are good, mine mopped the floor with the Elite 4.

[DoctorShanks No.]

>>9638211
Reisen is indeed a Glass Cannon. Her 80/75/75 defenses are good, but not that great. Certainly good enough to run through the main game. I don't think she has many fantastic ways to harm Ghost types outside of Nightmare though. How Reisen learns Nightmare slips my mind, but I know it's not an egg move (move tutor perhaps?).

>>9638139
If you think Reisen is a Glass Cannon, take a look at Advent Reisen. She has paper thin physical defenses, but is a million times more dangerous (pic related). Also seconding the Attack Keine suggestion. She's essentially Aggron. Just keep her away from Water.

[Anonymous No.]

Where do I find rainbow shards? Are they like moon stones from the original?

[Baraggan Luisenbarn No.]

1.8 Enhanced's Red gauntlet is impossible. I didn't Smogon up my team so I'm fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9638246

When does she learn Hearts Eye and Double Team?

>>9638280

I've looked in all the usual spots, and I haven't seen any move tutors. Were they removed in 1.812?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9638337
Hearts eye, probably level 50-51. Double Team was in a TM.

[DoctorShanks No.]

>>9638302
This one's really awesome. The Champion rematch's ExMarisa holds a Rainbow Shard, but in order to get it, you have to Skill Swap away her Collector ability (Sticky Hold) and then use Thief on her while not holding an item. This can be dangerous as ExMarisa has VERY high offensive stats

>>9638337
Yeah, the move tutors were removed in Vanilla 1.8. Sorry, I should have made myself clearer. When I said Move Tutor, I meant the guy on Two Island who teaches moves in exchange for Green/Red UFOs (Hold items on the UFO crew in the wild). Reisen has Nightmare as a level 1 move.

[Anonymous No.]

Can I play this on a hacked PSP?

[Anonymous No.]

Which starter is best?

[DoctorShanks No.]

>>9638413
Yes. Others have managed to do it. I don't own a PSP so I can't help much on this subject...

>>9638552
It depends on what you see as "good."

CSanae, when evolved, has sky high defense and a typing which walls Fire, Wind, Heart and Water, all of which are very common types. The problem with her is that she's weak to Beast, so getting her past early game is quite the challenge. She is very rewarding if you can brave the beginning.

CAlice is a bulky Special Attacker. She can sponge neutral hits fairly well, but Reason is not a very good Defensive typing (a minor inconvinience).

CReisen has been discussed. She has low defensive stats, but her incredible defensive typing in Heart compensates for this. She is your Special Sweeper, and she does a pretty good job at it too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9638552
Reisen.

She is easily in my opinion one of the strongest touhous in the game. Multiple huge damage moves with varying types. Higher Spatk than every legendary at equal levels. A bit low in defense, but until very high levels you can one shot even through "it's not very effective" with some of her moves.

[Anonymous No.]

Alright, I'm giving this Shoddy Battle thing a go. JoJoLion's the name.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't played Pokemon since like R/S and I never tried competitive. I know these hacks are harder and have postgame content, but would I be able to tackle them without any experience with like Natures and Typing?

[ttly not agastya No.]

i'm personally fond of alice, 100/100/100 defenses with clear body/rough skin and access to wish. i pick her every time i play 1.8 and she never disappoints me unless i tard out and keep a def- nature.

>>9638609

reisen having higher satk than the legendaries is mostly irrelevant considering the legendaries are only 560ish bst, one is physical, and two of them are walls

her coverage is about as wide as a football field though and her speed is pretty nice considering she can use hypnosis

[Anonymous No.]

>>9638743
Natures, EV, IV and all that shit don't matter in gameplay. It's only competitive multiplayer that that becomes a mechanic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9638751
There's Sariel, the ho-oh equivalent who's level 70 with 173 to level 70 Reisen's 212. Sariels two highest stats are spdef and spatk.

Elis and Mima, the Zapdos and Moltres of touhou have pretty high spatk as well, better than Sariel, pretty close to Reisen, but still not as good.

I haven't caught the wild dog equivalent touhou yet, so I don't know about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9638693
Get the fuck in here /jp/

http://srpgp.supersanctuary.net/shoddy/shoddy2beta.zip

http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=7.0

[Anonymous No.]

>>9638859

wild pokemon don't spawn with evs, that's not too surprising

[Anonymous No.]

So what's this Smoke Ball / Camouflage / Gothic / Swimsuit / Yellow Flute items as coin prizes at Celadon City? There are no wiki/descriptions anywhere and it takes mad coins to get these all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9638978
Smoke ball - raises escape odds
Camouflauge - raises nature attacks
Gothic - raises fire attacks
Swimsuit - raises water attacks
Flute - Snaps people out of confusion I think

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9638978

smoke ball guarantees escape from wild puppets while held.
yellow flute cures confusion and can be used an infinite amount of times, but doesn't work on puppets with the soundproof ability.
camo/swimsuit/gothic are type boosting hold items, grass/water/fire respectively. should boost by 20%

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9638978

smoke ball guarantees escape from wild puppets while held. basically works like the run away ability
yellow flute cures confusion and can be used an infinite amount of times, but doesn't work on puppets with the soundproof ability
camo/swimsuit/gothic are type boosting hold items, nature/water/fire respectively. should boost by 20%

[Anonymous No.]

Just started. What's a good nature for Alice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639067
Don't worry about any of the metagame stuff for the main game.

For Alice, try Modest.

[Anonymous No.]

anyone using this version of touhoumon?

http://www.mediafire.com/?eh45j3om6xx2e18

i'm enjoying it way more than the fire red hacks, it's got a working battle frontier plus the TD cast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639081
Huh. First Alice just happens to be Modest. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639116
What's different compared to FR version other than the setting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639145
It's probably the best if you're looking for a purely vanilla experience of 1.812 in English, minus the setting of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639181

Isn't that one for Emerald though?

After reading the readme files, PPE is basically Japanese fire red 1.812 with minor differences that improve the game, notably being able to 'slide' between evolution forms and not needing to keep them at chibi until you get the stones. It also says you can catch Ten Desires crew or boss only Fragments.

[Anonymous No.]

wch 2hu u fuhq

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9639116
frontiers not actually done and functioning yet though, only about half of the master list has been implemented and after that you'll start seeing funny things like surf hakureis and rock wrecker shinkis
i've been meaning to get back to work on it but frontier work is pure paperwork and it's a little draining

nice to see somebody saying they enjoy it though

>>9639208
i cant say i'm too fond of some of the stuff in aichiyas port, the slide evolutions snap the games difficulty curve like a twig once you can use stones (lol agility attack utsuho) and the music is just obnoxious (at least sound can be turned off). but yeah, like >>9639181 said, em is more to stay "vanilla" and yet freshen the game up a bit from all the kanto games (along with adding an emerald version that isn't a total train wreck)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639220

I guess the emerald part makes sense, but music can be ignored and I'm wondering about the stones thing. What do you mean agility attack Utsuho? Can you raise an Utsuho half AUtsuho and SUtsuho so it gets retarded speed+spatk? Or maybe mixing the movesets up? I mean either way, that's just a matter of self-control, it's the same reason why people play the game without hacks or abusing stuff. same concept as nuzlocke challenge, to make the game more enjoyable.

I guess I'm looking for reasons to try that Emerald 1.812 next after PPE, since I'm mainly gonna try Another World and World Link after for the lulz

[Anonymous No.]

How much typing actually matters in Puppet Play? I was looking at the wiki and pondering what team I would go with. I'd really like to use my favorites but that would mean I have many touhous with same type, like Reason for example.

[Anonymous No.]

I like Pokémon, but the Touhou setting doesn't seem like it'd mix well with Pokemon mechanics.

In Pokémon, the typing advantages and disadvantages are generally intuitive and the details are taught through trial and error. Most of the time, you can guess the typing of a Pokémon you're never seen before just by glancing at its sprite. Whether or not a particular Pokémon has evolved or will evolve can usually also be guessed.

With touhous, none of this really applies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639271
Most Touhou have a quite broad attack set regardless of their own type, so it pretty much only matters for defensive. Besides, you could beat the main game with just one Touhou, so at least for that, you might as well roll with the party that you enjoy.

>>9639277
The name of a Touhou implies their evolution status. Chibi and evolved forms are also very easy to tell apart. As for typing, no one stops you from looking it up in the wiki (I do that all the time).

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639116
Does this version have a physical/special attack split? I remember seeing those icons in Puppet Play Enhanced, but not here. I also have no idea which of the new types are classified as physical and which are special.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639277

What you just described are not 'mechanics', it is knowledge gained through trial and error. Not only does it not apply to newer pokemon games because they become so ridiculous that you can't guess the types anymore, but it can also be compensated as easily by trial and error like you described or having a wiki page on. Just treat it like a new game you have to learn and it is pretty negligible, I'm sure.

Not only that, but the Touhoumons based on the 1.8x patches are surprisingly balanced, maybe more so than pokemon itself. Overall stat numbers are well balanced except for legendaries that don't tend to be that far off either, and psychic is no longer there as the 'rape most types except like one or two' solution, replaced by shinto/reason/heart/dream and other types that balance out the strengths/weaknesses of most types in the game.

I think Touhoumon did a very good job at crossing the pokemon mechanics over. Moveset balance at a competitive level would probably not apply to most of us and the stones, when abused/exploited might be bad, does a wonderful job at keeping the different natures and canon/fanon personalities of Touhous integrated in the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639271
Just use the touhous you like the best.

I beat the elite four with a 68 Reisen, 51 Yuugi, 39 Remilia, 44 Momiji, 47 Yorihime, and a 40 Meiling. The only one being useful was Reisen, and Yuugi for the first one, but it didn't matter. Used more revives and full restores, but I got through it no problem.

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9639250
you can mix and match moves between forms as you please, and many forms have a move that others don't learn (speed utsuho learns agility and aeroblast while attack doesn't for example), once stone evos are open you're pretty much free to break the game and you probably have to with that silly trainer gauntlet on mt silver (only thing i find remotely interesting about the postgame content but i don't want to play through kanto and johto just to access it boohoo)
to each their own but it eliminates the pros and cons of certain forms when you can just get the best moves from all of them and go to the one with the best sweeping potential

as for why to play em.. well it's emerald and not fire red so it's not just kanto again, you can use evolutionary stones before you get the national dex (and are encouraged to do so, but no sliding), the gyms are different compared to 1.8 fr (roxanne uses beast types and brawly uses dream types, for examples), you can actually get advent forms without jumping through fifty flaming hoops.. so on so forth

>>9639271
you can feel free to use like 4-5 favorites in a team no sweat. just avoid compounded weaknesses to steel/ghost/dark/reason and you're fine, and even if you have weaknesses to that just slap one or two other chars on your team that counter those types and abuse swap mode like most people do.

>>9639301
yes, physical moves are "P/Description" and special moves are "S/Description" (though thats in the readme file)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639313
Sorry, I don't read readme files, even if they aren't named README.txt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639313

Ah, the fact that you can use stones before National Dex (I'm guessing the stones can be available pretty early too) and actually getting the stuff for Advent when it matters, all this eliminates the need for sliding stone evolutions. I guess I will try it.

[Anonymous No.]

Damn I thought this would be regular pokemon with 2hu palette swaps. Nope, all have their own unique movesets and everything, impressed. Only think that irks me is now I want to catch EVERYTHING because I have no clue who's decent or not, and aesthetics don't factor in as much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639394

In the games based off the Japanese patches 1.8x, most of the Touhous have balanced stats. Apparently Cirno is among the best ice/water types lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639447
I know there's 0 point in minmaxing for a nonmultiplayer game, but the autism in me has to do it. Is there a forum or something?

[Anonymous No.]

So how is the Japanese in this? Can I practice Kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus fuck they buffed the trainers and gym leaders. Thought I was overleveled with a level 16 starter for Brock. He had a level 17 Yuugi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639646
Did you never play any other Pokemon hacks? That's pretty standard. Most of the time you'll go against opponents with a level difference of at least 8+, unless you grind like mad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639652
Only other one I tried was Shiny Gold and I don't remember it being this bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639652
>level difference of at least 8+, unless you grind like mad.
Wow, I guess I leveled my Reisen like mad then. Guy who's been posting a few times with a 70 Reisen here, I've had her outleveling every gym leader by 10+ besides brock and the elite four. About equal levels for them.

Then again, I tend to always supercharge one pokemon to be drastically higher than my rest in every pokemon game I've played. So it's no real surprise. For the elite four I focused on evening out my levels a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9639646

Wait untill you get to Misty, her fight was bullshit. Her CKomachi knows teeter dance, water pulse, and slack off, and at the time I had no counter and she had defense like a tank. Luckily you can go through the broken-into house and proceed to Vermillion City without beating her, though, so I came back with an evolved Star and Sunny who knew nature power and wiped her out. But if I couldn't have gone on I would've had to grind for awhile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9640130
Overleveling one Touhou is easy, especially Reisen, since she can rape most shit so hard. If you try to spread out the experience, things get a lot harder.

[DoctorShanks No.]

>>9639468
I don't see much point in minmaxing for vanilla Fire Red, but I've been Smogoning the shit out of my team in Emerald 1.8 while waiting for the Battle Frontier to be finished. Normally my minimum is 31 HP, 31(Sp)Attack, and 31 Speed, but sometimes if I'm lucky I'll get a 31 in a Defensive stat. If I'm not mistaken, there is an auto egg hatcher npc on Four Island (or left of Mauville) which makes this tons easier.

And yes, there is a forum. It's not used too often since all of the conversation happens on Shoddy... but it's still there, and a lot of people (mostly guests) check in everyday. http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/

[Anonymous No.]

God, cheating on this has been so difficult. Pokemon modification seldom works the way I want it to, and I keep getting black screens and bad eggs. Fucking shit. So much trouble just to get an Advent Reisen without Insanity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9640597

Why don't you try, you know, play it legit then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9640765
Where's the fun in that?

No, but seriously, I've already done that. Cheats are post-game for me.

[Anonymous No.]

So after you beat Puppet Play, you get to unlock all the extra forms. Thing is, from what I've seen, it looks like only the sweeper forms of touhous are any useful for post-game stuff like competitive play. Is there any reason to raise up a Defensive oriented touhou when even with nice defenses they'll only last one or so more hit than sweepers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9641542

A defensive touhou should have status moves like thunder wave, toxic and spore, self-heal moves like slack off and wish, and stat-up moves like iron defense or swords dance which they can baton pass to sweepers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9641694
So basically they're the true support touhoumons, while helpers are meant for team battles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9641694
A status move, you mean? They can only fit one if they have a self-heal, a stat-up move, and Baton Pass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642059

But I don't think most Defensive evolutions learn those moves like Baton Pass that Helpers do. That's the balance if you don't abuse evolution sliding anyway.

>>9642069

He obviously meant there are many status moves that you can choose from. You can even have dedicated status-inflicting touhoumon, why not

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642086
The word "or" exists for exactly that kind of situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642095

>and stat-up moves like iron defense or swords dance

As you can see, he clearly knows the use of the word "or", but maybe he wrote it too quickly. Chill out.

[Anonymous No.]

>Rock not weak to Water anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642404

Rock got changed to Earth type, which is still weak to water.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642411
Oh, then Ice. Aurora Beam is normal damage.

[Anonymous No.]

How do we trade with ourselves? I want to go robo with Tensoku!

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9641542

defense forms are pretty resilient, especially when you get evs and the opponents don't. kaguya and mokou are the generally used ones since they have acceptable satk with recover. kaguya is pretty annoying to kill too since her only weaknesses are.. nature(2x) and miasma(4x)?, and i don't remember if there's much in the way of miasma attack spam.

just toxic and abuse recovery items and you're fine apart from maybe the silly red gauntlet. not like lance has his terrifying dragons anymore since all those unused slots in the hoenn dex weren't good enough to put td chars in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642536
Right here, the instructions are there any everything.
http://www.vbalink.info/

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642536
Seconding this

[Anonymous No.]

How do stones work? I used an attack heart stone on a pokemon and it just said "Huh?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642719
have to get the national dex first.

[None !FIreFlyLqM No.]

>>9642719
You need the national pokedex first.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Rumia good for anything? Found her early, don't want mai maifu to be useless?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642751
She's meh. Not great or anything, with substandard attack and speed stats, but for the main play through you don't need an optimized team.

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9642751

she's okay. rather bulky (leaning to the physical side, 100 hp 110 def 80 sdef), can learn slack off, and has levitate as an ability. for attacks you can use stuff like poison jab and heart break.

the time-tested toxic works too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642751
Honestly, the nice thing about enhanced is the fact that just about everyone is viable, except for a few joke characters (Mimi-chan, probably Reisen 2)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642960

How's Reisen 2 bad? I thought about getting her from the Game Corner, but I wanted Shikieiki instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9642973
She costs the most coins, has horrifically bad base stats (330 when most have somewhere around 530) and not a particularly strong move set.

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9642960
that isn't a thing about enhanced, that's a thing about 1.8 in general.

also mimi-chan is far from useless, it has 130 attack and 140 speed, rock head for an ability alongside head smash/flare blitz/double edge, and even gets stab on flare blitz. band one and watch the in-game carnage.

reisen ii.. well, at least you can trade her for a toyohime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9643031
Decent point. I've never been too fond of glass cannons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9643031
>>9642960
Yeah, there are a few Novelty Touhous like Reisen II and Rinnosuke that seem suited only for trading, even though it looks like Rinnosuke gets items to boost him for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9638870
You can still get the fuck in here, had some rounds last night.

[DoctorShanks No.]

Regarding the Shoddy server in general, the regulars have usually gone to sleep at this hour. Yes, you can still get the fuck in here, but I've noticed the afternoon eastern hours are the best time to beat the snot out of people.

For the sole purpose of generating interest, there is no tier list either. The only two puppets banned are Defense Satori (because Wobbuffet), and Ancestor/Sendai since she "walks all over everything." There are some clearly overused ones (Helper Star), and some unfortunately underused ones (Tewi), but as previously mentioned, everything is viable in it's own way.

>>9642960
To back up what Agastya said, Mimi-chan is a top-tier revenge killer outsped by nothing without a boost, and can punish any team that doesn't have an answer to her (Earth types and/or Rock Bullet). Mimi-chan's counterpart, Ruukoto, is kind of a joke though...

[Anonymous No.]

So, which version of Kanako would be considered best? I'm gonna end up using Attack version either way because I prefer offensive huge power for her but it seems like her defensive evolution is better.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is Helper Star overused in vs?

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9643783

basically the same reasons as defense kaguya: a good typing with good defenses and a good movepool. she can baton pass nasty plots if you're into that, or just blast things with boosted water attacks. star and dkaguya alone are so annoying to kill that almost every team has at least one miasma user.

star and hstar are literally the same puppet though, just with their defense and special defense stats swapped around.

[Anonymous No.]

Recently downloaded 1.8 enhanced and continued my 1.8 play through. My team is Sanae, AChen, Meiling, SCirno, and Sakuya. I recently dropped my Flying-type, Mystia, since Fly doesn't work in Johto, and was looking for something to round out my team? I'm not too concerned about digging into the metagame, but I wanted something that doesn't overlap types with something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9643849
Maybe an Utsuho form? You could use a Fire resist and an Earth immunity.

[Anonymous No.]

Toyohime or Yorihime?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644447
Both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644458
Choose only 1.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

The most annoying thing about this game is that as soon as you built up a good team, another Touhou comes along that is just too cute, so you must remove someone else from your party even though you already spent hours grinding them up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644520
Exactly. In the end, the one who was trained was not my Touhou, but myself. Every cute character I encountered was a trial of willpower. In finishing this game, my mind had become as iron. Never again would I fall into temptation.

[Anonymous No.]

Any good 2hu to look out for early on? Don't want to miss a gem, but Sanae and Lunachild are getting me through alright.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644588
Just stick with Sanae, slutlover. You don't deserve better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644592
>not liking sluts
Rude as hell. Anyone else?

[Anonymous No.]

Sanae, Alice and Reisen?

What kind of shitty choice is that?
I want a Reimu dammit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644588
>>9644602
Sanae is a good girl.
Any types you prefer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644602
You didn't even post the version you are using. Early Touhou differ greatly for 1.5 and 1.8, and even between different hacks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644624
>>9644622
1.8 EE. No particular types, just any really good ones that stand out early on?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644588
I captured the whole trio Luna-Star-Milk since most of the enemies are usually weak to at least one of those elments (fire, water or thunder). So it helps out at the beginning.
Also note that Brock's fighting 2hus are weak to Sanae's Nature attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644620
They had raymoo, get outta JP and some other slut at first but they changed it for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644631
In terms of stats? Hm...
Rumia, perhaps. Her final form has a base ATK of 150. Patchouli has a high SP ATK, but she's frail. Remilia and Flandre are naturally tough. Suika is pretty good as well. Momiji has a high attack. Iku has good special stats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644654
Thanks, exactly what I was looking for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644645
Yeah I know, I played the previous version so that's why I was surprised.
Reimu, Marisa and Sakuya were available to choose from then.
I sure hope I can catch them soon.

[Anonymous No.]

Does this version >>9624205 let you "slide" evolve? Seems unnerving to have to not evolve at all until you hit postgame to

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644666
You need to catch Rinnosuke. There are people around Misty's place that will trade Reimu and Marisa for Rinnosuke

[Anonymous No.]

A bit off-topic, but I'm trying to find a download of the latest version of Genius of Sappheiros in English, with fixed drop/learn rates. I've never played the game before. Is this what I should download? http://www.mediafire.com/?a8c1by6btaid7

Or something else?

[Anonymous No.]

A bit off-topic, but I'm trying to find a download of the latest version of Genius of Sappheiros in English, with fixed drop/learn rates. I've never played the game before. Is this what I should download? http://www.mediafire.com/?a8c1by6btaid7

Or something else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9644666

Reimu is dome fossil, Marisa is helix fossil, Byakyuren is old amber, and you get Sakuya as well as the rest of the Koumakan characters at the power plant. So not soon at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645077
Oh, the fossils were regular Reimu and Marisa? I thought they'd be PC98, where do you get those then?

[None !FIreFlyLqM No.]

>>9645186
By trading the regular ones to npcs. The one that wants Marisa is in Cerulean I think. The other might be in Cinnabar, not sure.

[Anonymous No.]

I really hate my rival. It feels like bullshit trying to win when Medicine completely shuts down Sanae in every way possible, not to mention Alice crushing her easily. I got Sunny and Luna trained up to take care of Medi but she still gets off a paralysis or poison and can usually take out someone out or at least severely cripple them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645326
I had the same problem.
Fortunately Sanae's Water Pulse takes care of Alice pretty fast.
As for Medicine, Fire Wheel or Aurora Beam should do the trick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645377

I only have Ember on Sunny right now. Well, I do have Flame Wheel but it's a physical attack and she's timid. Plus Medi still usually manages a paralyze then chunks off her health with Poison Tears since Ember doesn't even take off half her health. Alice hasn't been as bad though. Hopefully the next rival battle won't be so bad since I'll have the fairies evolved by then.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a walkthough? Usually these popular pokemon hacks have one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645326
Haha, I know, right? Sanae is so versatile and get a different element for every move and yet Medicine is resistant to all of them.

Well, I'm glad Medicine is given some love in the game, at least.

[Anonymous No.]

I wrote up a script to analyze my Shoddy team (which I imported from my game). How autistic am I?

OFFENSIVE COVERAGE
Dream: STRONG (Chibi Alice)
Ghost: STRONG (Chibi Chen, Chibi Momiji)
Flying: STRONG (Chibi Mystia, Chibi Ellen, Chibi Alice, Chibi Momiji)
Beast: STRONG (Chibi Chen, Chibi Mystia, Chibi Momiji)
Miasma: STRONG (Chibi Chen, Chibi Alice)
Steel: STRONG (Chibi Chen)
Dark: STRONG (Chibi Ellen, Chibi Momiji)
Earth: STRONG (Chibi Medicine)
Fire: STRONG (Chibi Chen)
Water: STRONG (Chibi Mystia, Chibi Medicine)
Wind: STRONG (Chibi Chen)
Nature: STRONG (Chibi Chen, Chibi Mystia, Chibi Ellen, Chibi Alice, Chibi Momiji, Chibi Medicine)
Ice: STRONG (Chibi Momiji)
Faith: STRONG (Chibi Chen, Chibi Alice, Chibi Momiji)
Reason: STRONG (Chibi Ellen)
Heart: NEUTRAL
Illusion: NEUTRAL

TEAM STAT SPREAD
hp: ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
atk: ||||||||||||||||
sdef:||||||||||||||||||||||||||
satk:||||||||||||||||||||||||||
spd: ||||||||||||||
def : ||||||||||||||||||||||||||

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645428
Only issue is that chibi forms often don't have the same type coverage as possible stone evolution forms. Still a bit too autistic for my tastes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645438
Pretty sure that type coverage only changes for Touhou that change type on evolution. That being said, look at that Chen being badass. If it wasn't so fragile, it would be awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645240

Maybe we're playing different versions, but the girl near Cerulean's underground pass wants a Rinnosuke for a CMarisa. The traders in the Cinnabar fossil place were trading starters. But the guy in that one house at the end of that diglett cave wants a CReimu for Hakurei, so that's where you get PC98 Reimu. I'm not sure about PC98 Marisa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645443
I'm just saying that's something he's probably going to have to look into. I don't really see a problem with that team typewise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645448
The old guy near Misty's gym trades a CMarisa for Kirisame.

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I catch Futo in Emerald? Do the fossils still turn into Reimu and Marisa?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to swap pokemon's skills?

[Anonymous No.]

So what should be my first game

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645773
Hunt the Wumpus

[None !FIreFlyLqM No.]

>>9645674
Unless you mean rearranging the order of their attacks, the answer is probably no.

>>9645676
Textfile says you can find Futo by surfing on some routes, or in the seabed cavern. It says the fossils are the same as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645428
compounded weaknesses to stuff like ice, water, and flying. cirno forms would have a field day.

[Anonymous No.]

so what is the Touhoumon with Heart/Dream etc. typing that you all are talking about?

[None !FIreFlyLqM No.]

>>9645884
Version 1.8. See: >>9624195
>>9624205
Or >>9639116 for Emerald version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9645839
Hmm, that's a pity, so for Touhoumon that could have an ability from two or more type varieties, the ones that have the worse one are automatically doomed?

Currently in 5th gen there is way to change it, but I guess there's no implementation like that here

[Anonymous No.]

I got the blue version a few hours ago and I've got to admit, it's pretty fun

[None !FIreFlyLqM No.]

>>9645934
I wouldn't say doomed, almost every ability has its uses. Some mons get a different ability upon evolving though, such as Luna (Pick up -> Volt Absorb).

[Anonymous No.]

Are there Ten Desires characters in Puppet Play Enhanced?

[None !FIreFlyLqM No.]

>>9646287
Yes. Also in the Emerald hack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9646287
I think the TD chars in Enhanced are all locked away until Johto. They also have nonsensical typings? I heard Seiga was Earth/Water or somesuch in it.

[Anonymous No.]

Do they evolve by leveling up or are there special ways?
I have a level 26 Sanae and level 28 Satori and they're still chibi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9646602

Depends on the version. In Fire Red they evolve through level only until you get the National Dex, and they take a long time to evolve. Sanae evolves at level 36. Once you get it you can do the whole Heart stone evolutions though. In Emerald you can evolve chibi versions through the Heart stones but you can't change already evolved Touhous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9646602
almost all of the characters have level evolutions alongside their stone evolutions, but "stronger" characters generally take longer to evolve than "weaker" characters (star evolves around 22-ish while all the starters evolve around 36)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9646602
Almost everyone outside of certain legendaries and oddballs like Kedama evolve through level, and it's the only way you can evolve until you beat the elite four. There are no 3 stage evolutions so evolved forms are to be treated as a final form. Once you beat the game you can then access the other forms through use of stones. Some characters have more forms than others.

[Anonymous No.]

So I beat the elite 4 on puppet play 1.8, now what do I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9646752
BEAT IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN UNTIL EVERY SINGLE TOUHOU YOU CAN POSSIBLY CATCH IN THE GAME IN AT LEVEL 100.

At least that was what I did the first time I played Pokémon as a kid.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck, gotta catch 60 touhous. Was Johto in the original fire red?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9647643

No, but I think the 4-7 islands had some Johto pokemon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9646752
Better stop now because everything after the Elite 4 is such a fucking drag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9648450
What do you mean? Is there not post-game content?

[Anonymous No.]

My savestates just vanished for like the 3rd time on 1.8 EE. I think i'm going to stick to computer emulating now, but I want to give the Emerald version a go for something new. How is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9648455

Depends on what version you are playing.

I think I'll write a copypaste for future Touhoumon threads, outlining it, tl;dr of most of the popular hacks and links and shit, need to know stuff, etc

I don't know if any Touhoumon threads got recognition before but this thread wins. We should start coming up with ideas for runs instead of just nuzlocke runs, like that guy with a full Meiling team rofl

[Anonymous No.]

>>9648638
>like that guy with a full Meiling team rofl
Back to whatever forum you came from, please.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone tell me hows the post game content in like enhanced, emerald and stuff

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9648744
Enhanced has (supposedly boring?) Johto and a 12 or so battle-long gauntlet for Red on Mt. Silver so you can actually do something with all the stone evolutions you unlocked by getting the National dex.

Emerald's rather lacking compared to Enhanced since most of its postgame content only serves to speed up the min-maxing process (EV trainers, Rare Candy vendor) since I was intending for the Frontier to be done approximately a few forevers ago, but there's still Steven and the gym leader rematches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9648789
Another World and World Link has stuff up to like higher levels right
Fuck I wish those two were based on 1.8 patches

[ttly not agastya No.]

>>9648799
Yeah, but they're also really bad hacks from a gameplay standpoint. If your favorite character doesn't have a Last Word form then you may as well give up on using them, and late/endgame mostly just degrades to Toxic stalling due to defensive stats growing too high to break down with regular attacks in reasonable timeframes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9648638
a copypaste would be awesome

[Anonymous No.]

東方人形劇 Touhou Puppet Play (ro. Touhou Ningyougeki) is a modification of Pocket Monsters FireRed, replacing most of the 386 Pokemon with as many Touhou characters as possible. Several English variants have been released with the same premise, but differ in various ways from the original in terms of locations, levels, obtainable Touhoumon, and other details.

English Wiki: http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Puppet_Play
Japanese Wiki: http://www39.atwiki.jp/touhoukeitai/pages/405.html
English wiki hast list of everything for 1.5x and 1.8x, including wikis for other variants

1.5x patch: Before DPSS, original Pokemon typing, older Touhou sprites, linear evolution system
1.8x patch: After DPSS, newer Pokemon typing, newer Touhou sprites, stone evolution system

Puppet Play Enhanced (Slightly modified 1.8x, Fire Red) http://animackid.wordpress.com/category/touhou-puppet-play-enhanced/
Current v1.11 http://www.mediafire.com/?ha1r8qi33162p6t

Puppet Play Emerald (Vanilla 1.8x, Emerald) http://lkaexe.supersanctuary.net/thmnemer18/
Current v Aug 25 2012 http://www.mediafire.com/?eh45j3om6xx2e18

Another World (Modified Gensokyo Scenario 1.5x, Fire Red)
http://animackid.wordpress.com/category/touhoumon-another-world/
Final v1.51 http://www.mediafire.com/?dqj654u7fddb64m

World Link (Modified 1.5x, Emerald) http://animackid.wordpress.com/touhoumon-world-link/
Final v1.42 http://www.mediafire.com/?5chzyhurr1purb3

Links for more Puppet Plays, including Japanese, Blue, Merry, Gensokyo Scenario, etc
http://animackid.wordpress.com/touhoumon/

VisualBoyAdvance 1.7.2 works best. VBA Link 1.7.3 for trading.
Before turning VBA on:
-Real Time Clock on (Option - Emulator - Real Time Clock)
-Save Type Flash 128kb (Option - Emulator - Save Type - Flash 128kb)

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/0GIM

For the copypasta

If anything needs fixing please do so, would be nice if we could use this so we don't get same questions over and over again

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/0GIN

Copypasta for touhoumon threads

Would be nice if we use this so we don't get the same questions over and over, also fix if needed

[Anonymous No.]

>>9648995
Question, can you patch the unofficial patches that come with PP to the Emerald version? I'd rather suck a cock then walk through caves again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9648995
Thanks bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>9648995
At least use something that breaks freaking lines.
http://pastebin.com/nHnDXi1E

But thanks anyway.

[ttly not agastya No.]

Copypaste looks relatively fine but I wouldn't call Aichiya's port "slightly" edited 1.8 considering the stuff that was added to it.