/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have trouble pacing themselves with sake?

do you run by a timer or what?

I think I might be used to drinking stouts really quickly, and hence my ability to pace myself is shonky at best.

Also, do you use the flat saucers, the traditional box thing or those shot glass things?

picture related, what I had last time because it's cheap and relatively ok. have definitely had better.

[Anonymous No.]

Who drinks sake? What a fucking weeaboo

[Anonymous No.]

I'm an uncultured social drinker. I just keep downing drinks with no particular pace until people make me stop.

But even if you're drinking alone you can say fuck the pace. Who are you trying to stay sober for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576089
Ohhh so kigurumi get a thread but I'M the weeaboo!

Well excuse me faggot.

[「ロリあき」 No.]

I had a box once.
Typically I just drink from the bottle though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576099
I get horrible hangovers, and always feel like I'm somehow damaging my brain when I do it.

I am paranoid almost to the point where it's debilitating though so maybe i'm just overreacting

[Native Japanese Speaker !!8RQHsvbK0W1 No.]

On another note,

Though I deem mixing drinks with soft drinks is a behavior gayer than no other and don't condone the consumption of corn syrup, sake is really good if you mix it with Cream Soda at a 50/50 (or to your liking) ratio.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576110
That sucks. I seem to be immune to hang overs though that's probably only because I'm still young.

I wouldn't worry about brain damage though. I'm sure being at the computer all day does a lot more damage than a night of drinking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576119
I would mix it, but it kind of detracts from the novelty of the thing. If I had to water it down I would probably buy guinness instead

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>Anyone have trouble pacing themselves with sake?

Yeah, that's why I quit drinking.

The best way to imbibe is from a warm carafe. Take it in shots from a small glass of some sort. It's just wine, so if you have any kind of tolerance you'll be fine unless you chug the shit in which case you're acting like an overzealous retard.

It's like any other alcoholic beverage. The cheaper the booze, the worse the recovery. I used to drink sake a lot with meals, though, and having a full stomach definitely diminished the possibility of a hangover. Of course, there's the trade off with a full stomach that your pyloric valve will be closed so your stomach's absorption rate of the alcohol will be significantly reduced and it will take more of it to get drunk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576171
I didn't have any of the stuff so I drank it out of a wine glass, and yeah that didn't go too well. maybe using a smaller glass will somehow slow me down.

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>9576220
Yeah, just a regular shot glass will do.

Sweet sake is a different thing. A good plum sake tastes like the godliest ice wine you've ever had. It can be served warm or cold, but I prefer it cold and should be sipped, because the flavor is really lovely.

[Anonymous No.]

All I've drank is Plum Wine(as far as japanese things go), should I give sake a try?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576101
Woah

WOAH

Kid, do you think you can just come around here and say shit like that? If otaku culture relevance was muscle mass the average kig suiter could rip you in fucking half and pleasure himself using your intestines as a cock sleeve

Do not talk shit on our kigfriends I will end your pathetic existence

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576121
I'm not going to ask your age, but if your younger than 22, that's when hangovers started for me. so look out for then.

I'm still a heavy drinker though, but I never go out so I don't have to worry about how I act. Drink like 64 ounces of gatorade, a liter of water before bed, and a liter of water when you wake up to piss, then drink water right after you wake up.
I also have xanax for my anxiety, but I don't really take it during the day unless I have to go out, one in the morning always helps my hangovers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576240
Can't guarantee that you would like it but it is pretty hard not to like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576280
I really drink some fucking piss honestly. As long as it's redeemable I think i'll be ok.

[Anonymous No.]

I drink them only if
1) They're sweet
2) I've boiled them to reduce the alcohol content enough.

[Anonymous No.]

I dunno OP, the best I can say is that pacing yourself when you drink is a very personal and difficult to explain thing. I'm not you, and you aren't me. It's also as much an art as a science.

You just kind of have to develop the experience and intuition for what you can take on your own.

As long as you don't go crazy and basically pour whatever you are drinking down your throat like some asshole frat pledge, you should get plenty of clues from the way you are feeling physically and mentally well before you've had more than you want.

Sake isn't grain alcohol after all, so you won't be puking your guts out in the nearest toilet before blacking out unless you try really, really hard.

(Funnily enough, the only time I've actually blacked out was drinking low grade, relatively high alcohol content wine, kind of like some of your cheaper sake, and that was in a particularly vicious mixed manic/depressive mood where my overall judgement was at an all time low, and my self hatred and destructiveness at a high. I don't think I EVER cleaned up all the mess from that night.)

But yeah, myself I don't really have too much trouble. I pretty much have finely honed mental categories for various levels of "buzzed", "pretty drunk" "drunk" "roaring drunk" and etc. (personally I like the last category the most, but hate it tapering off.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576402
I can dig what you are saying. I haven't yet had a dryer Sake that I actually liked a lot.

For my money, something like Sake just doesn't have a lot going for it if has a neutral flavor, and a relatively moderate to low alcoholic content. I'm more inclined to tolerate something that tastes evil if it's actually STRONG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576642
>hate it tapering off
This happens to me all the time, especially with stronger stuff!

Unfortunately most sake seems to be in the 15% range, but like >>9576402 pointed out maybe if you really heat it up you can weaken it a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

Drink after beating a boss in Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

Does that say "高分酒"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576678
The op picture? It says 豪酒 ごうしゅ, i.e. australian sake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576690
Okay, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

It's funny because young beer drinkers seem to have that problem more often than not, especially if they're half alcoholics and used to downing a few crates a week. They're completely reckless with strong shit and then go around saying that it's pure evil.

[Anonymous No.]

What does sake taste like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576934
like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakia, but far milder. I can barely even taste the alcohol in it when I'm drinking it.

[Anonymous No.]

OP is so strong
even after bad hangover
his sake NOT EVEN DROP

>mfw visiting sake breweries that leave their sampling stations unmanned and self-serve, allowing you to fucking gorge yourself without feeling guilty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576992
also, mfw there's not a single board on 4chan (or even fucking reddit) or anywhere else on the english internet to seriously discuss sake.

better start learning japanese for reals, lest my niche passion for sake leaves me more embarrassed than moe weaboo shit.

[Anonymous No.]

I have trouble pacing myself with any alcohol

Even if it's paint thinner vodka I just finish it all as quick as possible

"After this boss" turns into "after I pause the game next" which is every 5 seconds then I stop playing altogether and just lie on my back drinking

Why am I an alcoholic. I never saw the future like this.

[Anonymous No.]

I have trouble pacing myself with any alcohol

Even if it's paint thinner vodka I just finish it all as quick as possible

"After this boss" turns into "after I pause the game next" which is every 5 seconds then I stop playing altogether and lie on my back drinking

Why am I an alcoholic. I never saw the future like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576992
Thanks for the epic meme!
>>9576999
Thanks for the epic reaction face!
>>9577070
Thanks for the epic blog post!

My face when!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577105
Go play Mars Matrix

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576999
We could probably discuss it here, I mean strictly speaking it's a niche japanese thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577105
thanks for the tears

[Anonymous No.]

>2012
>warm sake

Gotta spend a decent amount per bottle, then drink it slightly chilled.

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/, what's some good sake for someone that's never had any alcohol in their life?

Also where the fuck do I even buy it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577211
Sake from hokkaido are usually better.
Since they make them from high quality water + low temperature.

[Okuu !!Jq0MHPvHhpb No.]

I want to try sake some day.

It is true that is served hot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577223
Only if it's cheap shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576110
Hangover are minor brain oedema because you lack electrolytes.
Drinking water is about the worst thing you can do to help with that.

Eat potato chips or something, hangover will fuck off.

Also, to unrefined swine with pacing problem, you're only suposed to savour the god damn drink, not chug it down like a chimp.

[Gensokyo Gal XV !nLH26A83Ug No.]

Nihonshu (what sake is really called) is freakin' good. I love nihonshu! But I can't drink too much, cuz then it's sleepy time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577211
I would like to hear some recommendations too, becouse I drink alcohol very rarely so I dont know anything about this kind of thigs.

They dont seem to sell many kinds of sake in my country, but atleast I found some "Misakura Daiginjo Sake" (0,72l, 16,85€) and "Kura no Machi Tokubetsu Junmai Ginjo Sake" (0,3l, 5,34€) in my local liqour store.
Im thinking about trying that 0,72l one, even though it costs so much.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9577152
alright... you asked for it!
time to nerd the fuck out. I'll adopt this lame-ass trip for sake discussions (however long they may last)

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

It all started when I was visiting breweries across the #2 sake town in Japan, Fushimi of Kyoto. I was just about done touring the big ones (such as Gekkeikan, I'm sure you've all seen that hideous export-only version in stores), when I decide what the hell, let's go for one more.

月の桂 (Tsuki no Katsura) is the oldest brewery in Kyoto. Right now Mr. Tokubee Masuda's the 14th generation owner of the place, and he had even changed his name to share the same one with the 1st generation founder. That's how much dedication to tradition these conservative breweries have.

Anyways, the man just floored me with his enthusiasm and generosity. I've had maybe 2 or 3 shots per each brewery, but then Mr. Masuda starts taking out bottle after bottle out of his fridge onto this place's tasting bar.

12 glasses later, I'm in ecstasy. Every sake the small brewery made was on a different level compared to the big names. I especially liked his high-grade unfiltered, unpasteurized nigorizake, which is usually made with cheaper methods because of the inherent brashness in such a style.
But not so for 月の桂. Mr. Masuda was responsible for bringing the resurrection of unfiltered sake to the modern seishu market, which had previously been completely illegal.

That was only 4 years ago. Since then, I've read 8 books on the subject, and have visited 20 or so breweries.

And that's my stupid-ass sake story. Share yours everyone.

also, pic related. he's on the left and I have no idea who that is on the right.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

If you guys want a good entry-level sake that doesn't taste like watered down vodka, I suggest actually going for some big-name brands.

Indeed, the "Johnnie Walkers" of the sake world don't have much in terms of outstanding characteristics for high-level products, but they have the infrastructure that allows decent quality at an affordable price. (that includes the top 2: Gekkeikan and Hakutsuru)

The absolute best value per volume, though, has got to be this one tetra-pack sake, a Junmai by Hakushika. Usually, being in a pack means its complete shit. But this one's a blessing in disguise. If you feel you're not experienced enough to appreciate the nuances of great sake yet, this is a good place to start. The company describes it as dry, but it's not. It's overall sweet and easy to approach.

Pic related.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

I feel like I'm blabbering into the abyss.
There's a few posters in this thread that know a decent amount as well, so please feel free to ask ANYTHING related to sake.

pic related is what I do in my spare time because I'm dumb

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good sake for light drinkers? I'm kind of a real lightweight when it comes to alcohol so I don't drink much at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577522
They're all the same

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9577522
There are various low-alcohol sakes designed for picky women or light drinking men.

Sake is usually diluted to about 15% ABV, for taste. Those specially chosen not to be diluted (Genshu, 原酒), can go up to 17~18%. Not a huge difference on paper, but you'll strangely feel MUCH more fucked up after even a couple glasses.

Anyways, most low-alochol sakes go from about 6 to 8% ABV.
They either taste much cleaner than normal (almost like water), or are sweeter than normal. Unfortunately, these are pretty much "specialty" brews, and I don't know about the worldwide availability...

A personal favorite of mine is Hofukuzetto by Tsuki no Katsura. I really doubt they can be found outside japan, so here's an abritrary pick from Sawanotsuru (another big producer in Nada).

It's called Tama Usagi, and it's the watery sake I was talking about. It's extremely clean.

Accordingly, however, you won't find a big a punch of flavor as in higher ABV brews. This one has a very light, "pretty" floral aroma. The flavor itself is "water," as previously mentioned, but the finish is kinda toasty. Mmm. Don't go TOO overboard, though, because it's still 12.5% ABV.

The brew is a blended sake (Lol). It's 30% ginjo grade sake + 70% junmai grade. Makes sense, too, as the nose is pretty like a ginjo and tastes ricey-toasty like a junmai.

952 yen for a standard 720mL bottle. I gave this a fucking 6.7/10 in my tasting notes way back, but I didn't like low alochol sakes to begin with.

Happy drinking.

[Anonymous Oni No.]

>>9577482
Which is the recommended amount for a human to drink at once?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577482
>that bottle design
Fuck, I wouldn't even drink it, I'd just put it on a shelf and masturbate to.

Why is Japanese product design so good when they're trying to be classy?

Shit like this makes me wish I wasn't perpetually broke.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9577571
There's a saying in Japanese, which I fucking forgot because I'm stupid, that basically says "two shots and you're buzzed," or something along those lines.

It means TWO shots will be exact amount that will allow the best happy buzz, and any more than that will make you more tired, etc.

Of course, EVERY man, woman, and dog will have different alcohol tolerance levels, but this is basically the mean average for Japanese adults.

Personally? I find 3 glasses to be sufficiently satisfying for accompaniment with a meal. If I want to get completely drunk, I can drink about 10 before I start to feel the negative effects take over.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9577578
Ah, you have excellent artistic taste. It really is Tsuki no Katsura's flagship brew, and it's apparent in their little trinket that was given to me as a gift, a 1/10 miniature toy of the bottle, the box, a tokkuri, and a fun description card.

[Anonymous No.]

The only kinds of alcohol I can cope with are ones that don't taste much like alcohol, eg. 酎ハイ and 梅酒. I can only drink weak things, and I physically can't down enough of them to have ever been drunk (not that I want to be).

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9577600
shit man, I feel your pain. can I guess a guess and say it's stomach problems? Lately, I've been getting gastritis every time I have a decent amount of drinking. I WANT to drink more, but I get nausea, indigestion, and suffer low gastric motility for like 3 days.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Alcohol is shit, I'd rather smoke weed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577610
I have no problems, I just don't like drinking litres and litres of fluid because I get full.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9577687
You should try something stronger. The best brews are those that taste heavenly, have absolutely no hint of having alcohol while simultaneously having a deceivingly high alcohol content.

You need to pony up a bit more money than others do for a good time, however.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577691
>The best brews

Such as?

[Anonymous No.]

>sake

Lol, I bet you think sushi = raw fish too.

Ignorant gaijin.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9577728
I don't know any of your preferences other than you not liking the "alcohol-ka," as the cheap brews are said to have.

You would probably like a light-textured, sweeter brew.
Practically any Daiginjo-grade worth its salt will do the job. They will usually cost around 3000 yen for a good one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577868
I must be getting fucking droopy here. A good example of a light and sweet sake is Yamano Kotobuki, from Fukuoka. But again, hard to find outside japan.

And it'd be bad if you bought a 40-dollar daiginjo and you hated it. Now that I think about it, an entry-level amakuchi sake would be better for you.
This is Sayuri, an unfiltered sake that is very sweet and is marketed towards women who find it hard to approach alcohol.

Of course, anyone that likes refined, elegant drinks will absolutely hate this. But it does a good job of filling the casual "alcopop" section of the market. A small bottle should cost around 6 bucks, so if you hate it, you won't have to curse me.

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't sake only 12.5% APV or something? That's hardly more than a wine bottle. I know the elevens have 0 tolerance, but we gaijin should be able to resist more than that.

Then again, I down 2-3 vodka bottles a week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577917
>Sake is usually diluted to about 15% ABV, for taste. Those specially chosen not to be diluted (Genshu, 原酒), can go up to 17~18%. Not a huge difference on paper, but you'll strangely feel MUCH more fucked up after even a couple glasses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577414
>>9577482
>>9577565
>>9577585
You, the guy posting all the sake stuff.
Thanks a lot, it's all a really interesting read.

Also thanks to everyone else that posted their knowledge in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

How is it hard to pace?
Pace it like you pace wine.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

no, thank YOU for actually reading. I was afraid this would just get saged to shit without anyone getting anything out of it.

WIsh I could just leave my email address here for questions, because I gotta go.
Will be back tomorrow or the day after, same time!

oops, forgot my trip

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577960
Well I saved all your posts because some of it is really useful and the info will help when I get more into sake and perhaps visit Japan.

Hope other and lurkers will pull something from it too.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9576088
one last question before I go, I guess. I missed OP's questions.

My container of choice for sake, regardless of brew style: a white wine (specifically chardonnay) glass. Pic related is a pretentious Riedel supposedly extensively-researched by a bunch of japanese sake experts. Anything of this shape will do fine.

On the right is what seems to be getting popular in Japan for sake snobs (like me). The little spike in the middle supposedly brings out the aromas better for Daiginjos.

Measuring is a bitch, though. A good solution is to get a normal shot glass (love the ones that have labels like measuring cups) and fill it however much you feel is decent, and then pour it all into your wine glass.

Only bother with little o-chokko shot cups when you're in the mood, or are drinking heated sake.

The wooden box is called a "masu," and is made of japanese cedar. they used to be rice-measuring cups, and people in ancient japan used to bring them to sake merchants to make sure they were getting the exact amount. They're fun, but hard to drink from, carry a strong aroma that will hinder your sake's fragrance, and is otherwise useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577469

>Alcohol in a carton

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577681

>Smoking weed
>Not smoking hash

Are you poor or do you just have shit taste?

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9578005
Oni-fist, fellow sake drinker whose sake not even drop.

One more tidbit before I pass out, just for you. Apologies if I don't make any sense anymore.


I mentioned in my last post that Daiginjo is the brew to be anal about enjoying the aroma. But why is that, when the JUNMAI Daiginjos also exist?

A quick rundown of what the difference is:
Although adding massive amounts brewer's alcohol during the manufacturing of sake was originally used to make huge quantities of cheap shit, people have wisened up in recent years, and more snobs have appeared to put this practice to shame.

That's why for every grade of "special designation sake," ginjo, daiginjo, although not Honzojo( which by its definition inherently has artificial alcohol added), you can add another designation of "Junmai" if there was no artificial alcohol added during its creation.

So is every "Junmai" version better? Not necessarily, although many brewers market themselves as "junmai-only sake producers."

For great Daiginjos (as well as the lesser Ginjos), artificial alcohol is added, yes, but not in any quantity significant enough to alter the cost or output of production in ANY way. The alcohol is added because it BRINGS OUT much more fragrances from the rice mixture than if it wasn't. This is why you'll sometimes see a Daiginjo and JunmaiDaiginjo from the same brewery priced exactly the same. At such high levels of craftsmanship, being Junmai is only a matter of preference.


Personally, I find myself liking non-junmai versions of high-quality brews. I like sniffing from the glass all day like an asshole.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9578039
I know, right? Technically, it shouldn't detract TOO much from the flavor. Companies assert that the tetra-paks are specially coated to have absolutely no effect. I disagree. I've tasted plenty poorly-stored carton sakes that smelled of fucking GLUE.

Accordingly, you won't find too many self-respecting sakes in anything but a bottle or ceramic ornament.
These fucking glass cups with canned lids was started by a company called Ozeki. Good for public transportation I've heard, but who wants to be a jackass that drinks on the way to work?

[Anonymous No.]

Which sake do you recommend for oni?

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9578082
There are many popular sakes that are tributes to Oni. Two of the best ones in particular are Oni-koroshi and Oni-wakatake.

Pic related is an old or copy-cat label for Oni-koroshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578081

It'd be like drinking moonshine from a mason jar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577901
so that's a sake alcopop?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9577243
Alcohol is a diuretic, meaning it increases urination. Eating potato chips probably helps, but drinking water is important. Hangover is partly caused by dehydration.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9578127
Only in the sense that it's a bastardization of the brew it's based on.

That Sayuri has no carbonation, is only lightly filtered so it's has ricey cloudiness (making it a "Nigori-zake"), and is syurpy-sweet.

Any natural carbonation in a sake would mean the yeast inside would had had to be active for a significant period of time after it was done getting bottled. This would mean it wasn't pasteurized (making it a "Nama-zake"), and for is one that should be decently expensive.

Artificially carbonated sakes exist as well. These so-called "sparkling sakes" are the real alcopops of the sake world. They take shitty, sweetly flavored sake and add artificial carbonation. Done right, they can be the best alcopop you've ever tasted, but it'd still be an alcopop.

even the venerable tsuki no katsura brewery has both a sparkling sake (pic related) and a low-alcohol sake for women.

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I get decent (or massively cheap) weeaboo alcohol and bulk instant noodles in the UK? this is important, please respond

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9578150
my grammar is going to shit now. sorry guys. just... so .. tired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9576999
420chan has a dead booze board that gets like 3 posts a week.

/jp/ is a better place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578174
I used to go on 420chan a lot, when I visited recently, it just looks completely different, like it's lost its character completely.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9578163
I know only one respectable brewery that does weaboo shit. They base all their sakes on works by Rumiko Takahashi.

Not particularly accessible for import in the UK, though. What do you need it for? Get the cheapest BOTTLED sake at your local mart. Will taste like swill, but still feel cool for whatever party you're throwing.

>>9578174
Indeed. I had no idea even a single person would bother responding.

[Anonymous No.]

I hate how normals get annoyed if you order water or milk or juice or other soft drinks and make it all socially obligatory to drink alcohol.

Are you guys like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578196
I would knock you out and decant vodka directly into your butthole, nerd.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9578196
Only when I KNOW the person, regardless of sex, can physically take alcohol just fine.

When it's obvious a friend isn't a good drinker, no one I know of would blame the person for ordering what they do.

The behavior you describe isn't for all normals, but simply for douches.

[Mediator No.]

Do not drink alcohol please, it is bad for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578206
What if they can drink alcohol just fine, but don't want to?

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9578207
Why the worried look? In appropriate quantities, it is the best thing ever!

>>9578213
If you're out with friends, you'd better have a good reason not to! Or else I'm decanting vodka in your butthole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578230
I guess this is why I don't have friends.

As soon as they turn a certain age all their social outings have to involve drinking, I hate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578236
Why do you hate drinking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578236
This, and I enjoy drinking. In fact, a pub or something would be nice. But nope, I'm in my mid-twenties so it's LET'S GO TO A CLUB AND DRINK SO MUCH WE'RE ALL SICK ISN'T THAT HILARIOUS. People honestly seem to believe that bodily problems are the mark of a good night out.

[Mediator No.]

>>9578239
>>9578230
Why do you force people to do things they do not want to? That's peer pressure and is very mean, very bullyish behavior!

[Anonymous No.]

I don't hate it, I just hate being socially obliged to do things to fit in. I'd rather be by myself than act in a certain way to be part of a stupid group. Watching people gladly hand over $10 for a cocktail that barely tastes any better than a $2 soft drink confuses me.

I do hate the thought of getting drunk as it would be out of character for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578249
Why do you assume I'm bullying you when I'm just asking a question? I think that's the real reason you have no friends.

[月の桂 !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9578246
>pub or something would be nice.
Or a gentleman's bar. Or an izakaya. Or even at home around the couch with friends. Fact of the matter is, with the appropriate blood alcohol level, which is different for everyone, nerves will be eased, and a relaxing atmosphere will be created for everyone to enjoy themselves.

A problem would probably only arise if alcohol tolerance levels differ greatly.

>LET'S GO TO A CLUB AND DRINK SO MUCH
If even a single guy in the group does this, these aren't the right people. I fucking hate this type.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578258
That wasn't me.

And since when was not having friends a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578249
I don't think anyone on /jp/ is capable of forcing another to do what they want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578213
If you're not in the mood for drinking, you're probably not in the mood to be around people who are drinking, and you probably shouldn't have come along in the first place.

Basically, it's your own goddamn fault if you hang out with people like that. They have their own idea of fun and you have to share that with them if you want to get along with them.

[Anonymous No.]

It was my birthday the other day and I really feel like getting really drunk. Drinking alone is fun as HELL, too. It's one of the few drugs that doesn't freak me out.

Don't know what to drink though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578273
Well, I don't hang out with anyone. I was convinced that people on /jp/ didn't have friends and barely left the house, but I guess I'm mistaken.

[Mediator No.]

>>9578258
>I think that's the real reason you have no friends.

That was really uncalled for anonymous, you hurt my feelings. But.. I would rather have no friends than friends who bully me into doing things with peer pressure!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578287
I like how you're trying to say that as an insult. Get real. If people have similar interests, they will become friends and there's nothing wrong with that, /jp/ elitism or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578293

I am growing tired of you.
You are not funny, you are not 'cute' and you most certainly are not endearing.
Please desist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578300
>>9578296

[Anonymous No.]

Alright, that's it. I'm commandeerin g this thread, hyperfags. If any of you sperglords have a problem you know where you can stick it.

[Anonymous No.]

Way to ruin the fucking sake thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578324

>piss skins

I'm going to use that one if you don't mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578318
Who gives a shit sake is a horrible liquor for piss skins and weebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578230
>>9578239
>>9578316
>>9578300
>>9578296
>>9578273
>>9578258
>>9578265

[Anonymous No.]

come on /jp/...you're better than this. it's ok to be bitter and lonely, (most of us are even if some people pretend otherwise), but you don't need to take it out on other /jp/sies

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578338
You got a problem, nerd?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm scared about working for a Japanese given the drink culture.

I know a girl who says she's peer pressured to drink to the point of throwing up every time the office goes for drinks. I tell her just not to drink so much, but she says its impossible and she has to to maintain her relationship with her coworkers.

Normal society really is crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578340

this is my kiss for you anonymous, i hope it makes you less bitter

[Anonymous No.]

England has the best drinking culture.

Shame it's gradually becoming Americanised/modernised/trendy. Out with the pubs, in with the clubs. Out with the ale, in with the pale lager. It's terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578345

Don't come to Australia then.
Here it's worse than what I observed in the UK, which is the only place I can compare it to.

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

I guess the sake discussion's over?
I'll be around every so often around this time to discuss all things sake.

Also, I'll change my trip from the pretentious 月の桂 to just plain Sakeguy.

See you onis around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578356
I didn't know muslim countries allowed alcohol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578356
I didn't know muslim countries allowed alcohol.

[Anonymous No.]

I think we've found out here that drug threads aren't so suitable for /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578356

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578426
Alcohol isn't that kind of drug though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578256
Well how old are you? I didn't start drinking until around 23. I mean it's really not so bad, it makes you feel good and you really have to put a massive amount of effort into getting hooked.
>>9578345
I imagine that's more being a woman in Japan than anything else. I think being able to hold your liquor is probably something you should learn, just to have some concept of your limits. Knowing what is in drinks is good too because you can order on your own or take your time with higher ABV stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578360
I kind of like the pretension. Maybe when I get paid I'll try to pick up something and make a new thread.

[Anonymous No.]

Just start interspersing warm shots of Jack Daniels No. 7 to make yourself slow down; You will either stop wanting to drink, or becoming immune to the taste of No. 7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578345
I'd love to go drinking with some Japanese business men. As my tolerance for alcohol is pretty high they'd all wake up in the hospital if they keep up I presume.

Anyway, this thread has given me the drive to try sake again. I tried it a while back and wasn't really convinced. But then again the same can be said for gin and I love gin now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578691
Yeah all alcohol is an acquired taste. I never regretted picking up something new.

[Anonymous No.]

Too much sake makes me horf really painfully. Fortunately my body seems to sound one NIGGER WHAT ARE YOU DOING alarm by making me feel pukey while still retaining, which gives me time for an informed decision on whether I want to stop or keep going and pay the price for it later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9578691
Dude, Japanese businessmen can't keep up with me at booze, and I'm a 140-pound woman. It ain't hard.

[Anonymous No.]

This shit can be really treacherous. I just bought my first bottle because I just had to test it out. It's Misakura Daiginjo Sake, so not very high quality I assume.

If you take the time to savour it in your mouth it's somewhere between a dry white wine and cider - but it's much better than wine, and kicks a punch compared to cider(naturally). If you pour it straight to your throat you don't get the full taste, but the after taste is extremely pleasant - you get a mild taste of the sake, combined with a slight reminder of its alcoholic content. I am drinking it slightly chilled.

This is extremely easy to pour down your throat and it'll bite you in the ass if you don't pay attention - definitely a good social drink, but caution is required if you don't want to get too intoxicated.

Based on this, more expensive sake has the potential to be amazing.

Much recommended.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9579250
>btw im a gurl

[Anonymous No.]

I know this is a sake thread, but is it cool if I bring up Japanese beers here?

Currently drinking some Orion, as an attempt to try different beers from the local stuff (Australia). Are other Japanese beers similar to this? Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9582141

Melbourne Bitter, cunt.

Not really, that stuff is awful. I don't drink beer often to be honest, so I can't give you any meaningful advice.

[Anonymous No.]

I can get something called doragon sake for about £6.50 in my local supermarket. Produced in the netherlands by potheads.

Might have to buy a bottle, same price as a decent bottle of wine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9582141
I got a couple of bottles of Asahi Superdry the other day. Have nothing to say about it, drinkable, nothing special.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9582150

> Melbourne Bitter

Still better than VB. Ugh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9582161

The worst I ever had the misfortune to try was Brunswick Bitter, it's brewed for one of the pubs here or something.
I think people only drink it because it's $10 a jug.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9582168

I don't understand the necessity to simply get drunk - i.e. buy as cheap as possible. Why not invest in something that is actually enjoyable? You still get drunk, but you don't get shitfaced and you can communicate with your friends in a bit more coherent manner through the night.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9582176

That is my position on the matter, although it wasn't always when I was younger.
I don't drink much now though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9582176

The best way is this:

The first drink of the night is the most expensive one of the night. Precisely what you want.

After that, switch to an affordable alternative, as you aren't as aware of the quality.

> Just another Aussie Advice!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9582184
Does nice Australian beer even exist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9582229

It is perhaps a somewhat plebeian preference, but I always used to like Carlton Draught.
There are probably other enjoyable Australian beers.
My tastes are very Melbourne-centric, and I'm not sure what is on offer in other parts of the country.

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

What's the most expensive sake you've tasted before, citizens of /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

Sake is shit

[Anonymous No.]

I have a bottle of this but no idea what sort of quality it is.

[Anonymous No.]

I bought some Choya Extra Years for my birthday a couple weeks ago, but I still haven't opened it. It was a bitch finding it, and I've never had umeshu before. Has anyone here drunk it? Is it decent? I'm pondering opening it.

[Anonymous No.]

Beerfags are annoying. I don't care about how your liquid bread happens to be brewed by Bavarian nuclear scientists with links to the maize industry going back to 1398. It all tastes like shit, weak alcohol for fags who can't handle hard liquor.

I am sorry for bullying but as you can tell this has been on my chest for a long time

[Anonymous No.]

>>9583308
There's some strong german beer. But I generally agree. I actually enjoy the taste more or less, but I swell up like a piece of shit every time I drink it, so I tend to avoid it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9583308

Guess what: you can both enjoy beer and spirits.
What a strange notion that is.
I wonder, should I proclaim that sake and wine are weak alcohol for fags who can't handle vodka?

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9583290
Never tried that one personally, but it won a Silver at the "international sake challenge."

Of the many annual, "international"-level sake competitions there are, this one doesn't rank particularly high, but it still should be decent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9583324

No you can't. Stop enjoying things that I don't enjoy and view as unmanly.

[Anonymous No.]

So considering picking up a bottle of sake for the first time
any Australians on right now have any knowledge of some good sakes accessible from a bottle shop?

[Anonymous No.]

Not sure if relevant, but while I lived in Mie I could never find any sake that hit hard. I love the bourbon burn, anything I can look for that may hit the spot?

[Anonymous No.]

I still have half of the rightmost bottle of sake left, which you can see in this photo. I really haven't warmed up to the taste of sake yet, sadly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9584021
For some reason, a lot of that sushi doesn't look very appetizing. It could be because of the fact my sister brought home low-quality korean sushi from the market though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9584034
I assure you, it was delicious. Then again I haven't visited that many sushi places, because they haven't really become popular over here yet, so I don't know where my standards lie.

Here's another set we made. Less appetizing-looking makis, but the nigiris turned out very well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9583623
If you usually drink liquor, nothing is going to give you that burn except liquor. You might look into shochu/soju though, it's distilled to 20-25%. They are much more interesting than I expected in terms of flavor. Just like whiskey, the choice/mix of initial starch gives you different characteristics in the finished product.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9584021
>>9584047

This is Western garbage. Those sushi, and sake are just junk that the West has come to expect, like those maki sushi. If you want real sushi or sake you need the Japanese stuff.

By the way, there's cold sake, and warm sake for the time of the year. Lower quality sake is usually heated up though.

Yamada Nishiki sake is good stuff, try some out nigga.

It's also hilarious how you guys are drinking sake, like that's what Japanese people drink all day long. What's really popular is Shōchū, try some of that stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9584145
Give the dude a break, he made those rolls himself. At least he got a couple bottles of Nama Asahi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9584145
Well, at least the sake is daiginjo (Misakura Daiginjo), in which yamada nishiki or other sakamai is used. The reason why I don't like this particular sake is because it has a hint of green apple taste - and I don't really fancy apples.

>>9584174
Nama Asahi was indeed delicious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9584237

Yep I'd say the sake is pretty good. If you don't like a particular part of it that's too bad, but it isn't low quality by any means.

[Anonymous No.]

How do unfiltered sake fair?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9584387
fare*

[Anonymous No.]

>>9584237
I'm sorry to ask but are you saying that "daiginjo" has apple flavour to it? Would you know of any other sake brands that have a hint of apple to them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9584409
Both ginjo and daiginjo can have various flavors. You should read tasting reviews if you're looking for something in particular. The NY Times and SF Chronicle have articles from time to time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9584387
I'm not personally fond of them. They're too sweet for me. You might like them, though.

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9584409
Specific aroma profiles like that really depend on the type of yeast used. The most widely-used Kyokai #7 and #9 yeasts and their offsprings seem to give the strongest fruit aromas, although it's not absolute, especially since only 60~70% of breweries use these Japan Brewer's Association's designated yeasts. (The rest use their own secret recipe)

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9584387
The most popular type of "unfiltered" sake is Nigorizake, whose sale was made legal by the brewery Tsuki no Katsura. In order for sake to be designated as "seishu," it was required by law for all sake to be filtered in some way.

The brewery was able to convince the right people that hey, why don't we use this super-coarse mesh to "filter" our brew, and although most of it will pass right through untouched, we'll still have techically "filtered" it! And that was how modern nigorizake was born.

The taste profile of nigorizake can vary tremendously. Most tend to go for a very quick and straightforward, powerful punch of a flavor profile, but there's also plenty of nigori that is bitter as hell.

These milky, rice-cloudy sakes have separate categories depending on just how much sediment is retained during the final bottling. With Nigorizake in the middle of this spectrum, there's "Usu-nigori," which has about half the cloudy sediment of regular Nigori, and there's also "Doburoku," which is just sake scooped out of the fermenting mash directly into the bottle with not even a coarse filtering.

Indeed, it is the Doburoku which is the true unfiltered sake. Unfortunately, this also means that elegance and refinement is completely thrown out the window.

Sold mainly for nostalgia's sake (no pun intended), doburoku is based on the brash homebrews that people used to make and drink without wasting any of the precious rice used in brewing (before this practice was outlawed, of course).

The one's I've drank were really hearty, almost like a porridge, and unfortunately only a select few were to my tastes. Most went for a very desert-like, thick, syrupy sweetness that was almost cloying.

[Anonymous No.]

What does /jp/ think about Sho Chiku Bai sake? The three major bulk brands close to me are that, Ozeki, and Gekkaikan.

I'm about done with a 750 mL bottle of Gekkaikan. Everyone says it's horrid, but I liked it just fine.

I had an Ozeki One Cup a few days ago, and it was pretty good. I also had Sho Chiku Bai before I developed a taste for sake, but that was long enough ago that I don't really remember it.

Which do you think I should buy?

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

I don't know why I strayed so far from your question. tl;dr, go for Nigorizake for unfiltered sake, and choose carefully depending on what you like (sweet vs dry). As I mentioned in a previous post on here, most nigori don't go for the high-grade complexity or subtlety, so don't get your hopes up for a miracle brew!

If you want an elegantly made but expensive nigorizake, go for the Tsuki no Katsura with the red label (which I posted on here as well)


pic related is a Doburoku I had last week, by Niwa no Uguisu. It was too thick for me to even drink. I had to fucking chew it. 60% polishing ratio of Yamada Nishiki rice. What a ripoff.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't pace myself. The only way I can stop myself is to not have a drink in front of me. If it's there its gone in a few minutes no matter what's in there.

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9583623
>Bourbon burn
What you seek is the antithesis of good sake. In addition, by law, sake can only go up to 21% ABV.

As was mentioned by another poster, you'd need to go for something distilled to get the burn you seek.

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9586549
It sounds like there's nothing you don't particularly dislike. You should just go for the Sho Chiku Bai, even just to get an idea of every brand near you, and to figure out your own tastes, if nothing else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9586544
Okay, thank you for such a detailed explanation.

[Anonymous No.]

Im moving about 5 minutes from the gekkeikan sake factory and they have free tasting and the sake is cheap as hell compared to store prices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9586581
Will do. Thanks for the suggestion.

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9586597
>>9586585
Happy drinking, you two!

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

Also, this is to anyone looking for specific recommendations. Unless you guys have a sake-specialty store in your area, it will be extremely hard for us to predict what your availability will be like.

The only solution in this case will be to simply try out as many as you possibly can. Only then will you have developed your palate enough to know what you even like. We can then work on much more easily from there.

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

http://chanarchive.org/request_votes

You guys can vote to keep this thread archived, if you wish.
Or maybe I can just copy-paste my posts when we have our next thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9592514
Voted. Thanks for your advice, Sakeguy. Hopefully, I'll become more refined in sake as time passes.

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

Here's a good example of a brewery that makes both ends of the spectrum (sweet and dry) for Nigorizake.

Saijotsuru, in Hiroshima

The red bottle was almost candy-sweet, and the blue one was pretty bitter. I made the mistake of coating my mouth with the red one first, lol.

Both are Junmai, with no additives used to alter the flavor of the rice in any way. It's pure technique.
This is why in sake brewing, there's a saying that goes, in order of importance, "First is Koji, Second is moto, Third is Shikomi (the act of brewing)"


Just one more vote for archival! Then we can let the thread die, if needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9592514
https://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S9576088
https://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/9576088

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9593902
Success!
I had no idea anyone would care about the finer points of sake when I started posting my bullshit.
Thanks everyone, for keeping the sake spirit alive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9594319
Not to spoil your fun or anything, but those sites archive every thread on /jp/. This was still a good thread, though.

[Sakeguy !!jQErY3Wneyv No.]

>>9594323
I have no idea why I bothered with the votes, lol.
Hopefully instead of simply using the two sites as a reference, more people will stumble upon the chanarchive page and become enlightened.

[Anonymous No.]

Never had Sake.

Had like 2 bottles of this in about 3 hours last week and several beers before and/or part of it after ( I can't remember).

Why pace yourself when you can get fucked up instead?

[Anonymous No.]

If I drink alcohol five days in a row, will my family be worried?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9600098
Hopefully.