what is the goddamn deal with jugoku

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一人

Why isn't this pronounced ichijin, what the hell I thought I was finally starting to understand this bullshit ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/lang/

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>>9519695
nah

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>>9519695
lang is so helpful amirite bro???

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>>9519702
Definitely better than here

[Anonymous No.]

Because that sounds retarded you retarded nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

the pronunciation uses common readings though? it's not completely random like 今日

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>>9519718
how is "one person" retarded though, it sounds perfectly normal

its like you have peanut, and butter, but the word for peanut butter is yarblegambnatzl

[Anonymous No.]

also some random pronunciation in japanese is really the least of your worries in terms of 'comprehension'

[Anonymous No.]

I'm thinking it's because it goes with the original Japanese way of counting like

Hitotsu futatsu


You just add a ri at the end in stead of tsu

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>>9519731

ichijin would mean it's a person from the country of 'ichi' though. both ひと and り do mean respectively one and person, they just have a different nuance to the meaning. e.g. り being person (counter).

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>>9519689

It's ichinin as in "one person" when counting people as 人 becomes nin when counting people, but when talking about people you say hitori (ひと meaning person or people) It's sort of like "Only one person can go here" but if you were going 1, 2, 3 people, you'd use a counter, which nin is.

You will quickly find that there are nuances to words in Japanese that don't exist in english.

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck tomorrow is 明日 and not 来日?
Why the fuck the 'next day' means 'arrival to Japan'?
Learn how to use kanji, japs.

[Anonymous No.]

Because readings.

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>>9519785
your wrong, hito does not mean people in that meaning.

一人 hito =1 ri= people

If it were 一つ

Then the hito would be 1

Dummy

[Anonymous No.]

I remember when I read these instructions and thought it'd be easy

and then the jukugo were all like ``just kidding that's not how it works 90% of the time, we just make up readings on the spot''.

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>>9519792
It's arrival of the sun, turbonerd.

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>>9519792

It makes sense, considering that あした・明日 is a very easy to understand word. Maybe up of sun, moom, and sun again, implying that it goes from day, tonight, to tomorrow.

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>>9519803
I-I never thought this way...
Japs are so smart

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also fyi, いちじん is an alias for the emperor in japanese

& this is why you don't learn memorize kanji readings outside of learning vocab, it's pretty pointless. just memorize the pronunciation, it's not that hard when you have to memorize the kanji & the meaning too.

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>>9519689
Really? This is what you're getting hung up on? Babby level Japanese? Have you ever watched an anime or something and heard people say 'ichijin'? That would sound retarded. I think you might as well just give up now.

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>>>/a/69615374

We have daily threads in /a/. New one's at 6:30 PM EST.

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>>9519792
>Why the fuck tomorrow is 明日 and not 来日?
>Why the fuck the 'next day' means 'arrival to Japan'?
You are literally an objective turbonerd.
日 is sun, 月 is moon. 日 is used as day because days are cycles related to the sun and 月 is used for months as months are cycles related to the moon.
日本 means Japan because it is east of mainland Asia and they didn’t know anything further east, so they thought of themselves as the origin of the sun.
明 as you see is composed of sun and moon. Bright bodies in the sky. Means bright/clear.
So just think of 明日 as when the sky is bright again. Which is 「tomorrow」.

[Anonymous No.]

いちにん／ひとり

YOU SHOULD KNOW WHEN TO USE 人 AS NIN

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>>9519850

Or just sun, moon, then sun again which is easier. Not that either of these matter since it's open to interpretation.

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>>9519846

I just scrolled through that thread. They seem to be mostly arguing about learning kanji, they're in for a surprise when they realise learning kanji really is probably the easiest part of learning Japanese..

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>>9519872
No, that would be wrong.

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>>9519873
Yeah there's a lot of that in most threads. I usually use the thread to ask questions about translating things correctly. I gotta read more, though. Mostly done Tae Kim's quide.

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ホワイトピッグゴホーム

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>>9519879

Like it matters turbobaka, you know how I remember kanji, inane and arbitrary shit that does not matter, but sticks in your brain like glue.

You need that shit, learning the etymology and origin meanings of kanji is POINTLESS

You know how I remember 竜巻 to me, it looks like a dragon flying around a tornado.

Learning rules, and reasons and shit like that will be walls in learning Japanese, that help you temporarily, but end up becoming obstacles later to larger concepts. You are better of knowing things just are that way, and use any memory trick you can just to make it stick in your head. Anything else will just slow you down and hurt your progress.

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>>9519872
What if it's night but before midnight?
In this case tomorrow is written as 月日?
What if it's new moon?

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>>9519909

this isn't really about "remembering" though, it's just a simple statement of fact. & if you need something in your head to help you remember 明日 (or most words) then you must be doing something wrong because it's extremely common/simple.

also >mfw using that to remember 竜巻

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>>9519965

It works, don't knock it, and that's primarily how I learned so many kanji so quickly. The most annoying ones to me are ones with annoying as fuck kana spellings like.

しょうぼうしゃ・消防車

It looks like a truck driving out of a house with an alarm over it.

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>>9519965
Wow, you're fucking pretentious. Of course the more often you see something like 明日 the less likely you're going to have ways to remember them.

[Anonymous No.]

りゅう・・・流石

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>>9519988

i can understand having memorization techniques for irregularities but all 3 kanji in that use their most common pronunciation + the compound makes perfect sense given the kanji meanings as well, so i wouldn't consider that hard to just remember. & your memorization technique doesn't even seem to give any indication as to the pronunciation so i don't even see how it would help.

>>9519998

hence why that argument was never about 'ways of remembering' but the etymology. what's the pretense?

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>>9520020
I was only commenting on the remembering part.

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>>9520026

well the original response was to the question "Why the fuck tomorrow is 明日?" which seems like strictly an etymological question

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>>9520020

But I don't have any problems remembering words, I have issues remembering symbols, and your imagination has been proven scientifically to be better at remembering things by up to 10 times.

And pronunciation is easy in Japanese, it's the first thing you learn, you listen to enough of it, and you start learning to drop い&う sounds in certain words. It's not that hard,

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>>9520043

japanese pronunciation itself isn't hard. tying mostly similar pronunciations of tens of thousands of specific words with specific meanings as well as the kanji that go with them is in fact hard. and this is the bulk of learning japanese.

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>>9520015
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsFK4mZtYhQ&t=5m33s

>ちょっと漢字に弱い遠藤
>りっせん
>りゅうせき
ｗｗｗ

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>>9520116

funny vid ty for sharing

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>>9520061
Also the social constructs which come with it.

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>>9519873
That's because people mostly get hung up about Chinese characters in general. Reading Chinese is much easier than reading Japanese though.

[Anonymous No.]

>２０１２年
>Ｎｏｔ　ｋｎｏｗｉｎｇ　Ｊａｐａｎｅｓｅ

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>>9520220

どうして英語で？

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>>9520220
→二〇一二年
→他不知道中文

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>>9520241

>implying they don't use arabic numerals in chinese

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>>9520253
They use both, just like Japanese does.

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>>9520266
Horizontal writing : use arabic numerals
2012年 8月6日

Vertical writing : use kanji
八　平
月　成
六　二
日　十
　　四
　　年

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>>9524220

I think it's more like they use the Chinese characters for situations where we would write "one" "two" "five" etc., and arabic numerals for everything else.

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>>9519758
yes but then why does 三人　mean sannin, and every number so on?
It's just hitori and futari that's different. Why?

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>>9524247
Counting in Japanese is fucked up. Deal with it.

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>>9524247
ichi - ni - san - shi - go - roku - shichi - hachi - kyuu - juu are came from ancient chinese language (this is why simular to modern chinese number : yi- er - san - si ).
original ancient Yamato language numerals are hitotsu - futatsu - mittsu - yottsu - itsutsu - muttsu - nanatsu - yattsu - kokonotsu - toh.

and In some cases, 一人 or 二人 read いちにん or ににん
一人前　(いちにんまえ) / full manhood
二人三脚（ににんさんきゃく）/ three-legged race

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>>9519689
2nd

Why isn't this pronounced "tuned", what the hell I thought I was finally starting to understand this bullshit ;_;

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>>9524247
>It's just hitori and futari that's different. Why?

It's a remnant of Japan's native system of counting, which was mostly displaced by Chinese numbers. It doesn't make sense because it's just an arbitrary mixture of two different systems: people just never stopped using the old system for some things.

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>>9524317
I can't understand you. What the hell?

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>>9524328
2nd is pronounced 「second」, so he asks why it’s not pronounced 「tuned」 (~two-ned).
He is parodying the OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9524359
Oh... Thank you, sir.
I'm not very good at understanding things like that.

[Anonymous No.]

some serious baby level japanese itt

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>>9524247
Because you're always super special.

Ok, look, language is simple. There are things called ``rules'', ok ? and when you can't apply the rules there are things called ``exceptions''. And that's it. See ? simple!