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[Serkit !eSpvUDpflw No.]

Are there drugs in Gensokyo?

[Anonymous No.]

Oh look, another drug thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>inb4 drugs r 4 normalfags
>inb4 drugs are the real truNEET hobby

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>>9511316
I dont have money for drugs

[Anonymous No.]

Drugs are for the birds.

[Anonymous No.]

eintei

[Anonymous No.]

I've never tried drugs, should I?

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>>9511316
whoruqtuotinglol

[None !desuV9JP12 No.]

Marisa's mushrooms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9511338
Weed is awesome, the rest are meh

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[Anonymous No.]

Is it true taht psychedelic drugs are harmless?
I don't have any intention of using anyhtingg else.

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>>9511357

>Weed is awesome

Weed is boring entry level shit.

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>>9511364

No drug is completely harmless, you ignoramus.

Even alcohol is harmful.

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>>9511364

Ya, completely harmless. So are amphetamines.

It's absolutely impossible for either of those drugs to harm your brain, body, or mental state. Anyone saying otherwise is retarded.

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>>9511365
I've tried a lot of shit, but I always return to weed. By far my favorite.

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>>9511364

They won't do any harm to your body and it's impossible to overdose on them, but you might see some crazy stuff and start thinking like a hippie.

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>>9511377
Alchohol is poisonous, that is the reason people drink it.

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>>9511357
>Weed
You misspelled Jenkem

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>>9511373

>So are amphetamines.

NO NOT AGAIN
FUCK OFF YOU GODDAMN TWEAKERS
DO NOT RUIN ANOTHER THREAD

[Anonymous No.]

>>9511380
Tulpas are the new jenkem

prove me wrong

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>>9511375


>They won't do any harm to your body and it's impossible to overdose on them [citation needed]

Overdose doesn't equal "death" either, it just means exactly what it means, over-dose.

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>>9511393
who are you quting

[None !desuV9JP12 No.]

>>9511380
truNEET drug.

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>>9511382

lab-grade stimulants, in the minimal effect dosage taken with an increased diet and monitored by a heath-care professional, can be very beneficial in the treatment of mild-to-moderate depressive or avoidant personality disorders (group of negative behaviours) and subjectively make life a little more rewarding.

stimulants: because you have to medicate yourself through your day,

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>>9511393

When people say overdose they typically mean something like this.

You can take more psychedelics than you were ready for and have a horrible experience that will scare the shit out of you and fuck with your head, but it will not inflict any physical harm upon your body that could cause you to be injured or die.

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>>9511411

Even if the drug itself does not harm your body, you can still do something stupid while under the influence that will harm yourself.

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>>9511411

>but it will not inflict any physical harm upon your body that could cause you to be injured or die.

[citation needed]

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>>9511411
HPPD

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>>9511409

Amphetamines have absolutely no medical value.

Using them for any kind of "mental disorder" is not count as "medical use" either.

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>>9511428

>Using them for any kind of "mental disorder" is not count as "medical use" either.

You don't think that depression exists?

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>>9511428
It's a Schedule II drug: "The drug or other substances have currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, or currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions."

Looks like it has medical value, to bad.

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What does datura feel like?

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>>9511445

Depression in the non-psychiatric sense of the word exists, just like guilt, fear, happiness, content, etc. exist.

"Clinical depression" does not exist. Only the criterion of symptoms used in the diagnostic process of it exist, and so far no one has proven that simply having those "symptoms" are an indication of a biological disease within the brain. Nor have they found any etiology/biomarker for it, or physical test to verify whether or not someone "has" it.

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>>9511465
http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v13/n6/full/nrn3263.html

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>>9511460

>The DEA's classification of a drug surely is proof of whether or not it has medical value.

I'm quoting you.

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>>9511472
Based on research and surely more credible than an anonymous poster on /jp/.

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>>9511428

>Amphetamines have absolutely no medical value.

1. Improves focusing and ability to study and stay interested in tasks.
2. Removes feelings of lethargy.
3. Improves your mood.
4. Helps with weight loss.

Whether or not any of these are actual medical disorders is irrelevant. It helps you with problems that people have and it makes their life better. That's medical value.

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>>9511469

>The authors used two animal models of depression to identify 26 candidate biomarker transcripts and compared their expression in human subjects

Do you actually have access to viewing this anyway? I GUARANTEE you that it used weasel words and never came to any concrete conclusion.

Bottom line is, go into ANY psychiatrist's office on Earth, or even a real medical professional like a neurologist, and ask them to get a physical test to verify whether or not you have "clinical depression". Tell them money is not an issue and you're willing to spend all they money on Earth for one.

They will flat out tell you a physical test doesn't exist. They have never found a proven etiology or biomarker.

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>>9511483

10 years of amphetamine (ab)use here. ask me anything.

i'm dead serious.

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>>9511461

Partial or full body disassociation, with full-field psychedelic or realistic hallucinations (not predictable), with a focus in temporary dissociative realignment of temporal-to-pineal wired perceptions of time and body.

With extracts, it is possible to spend 'days' or 'months' perceiving various fantasies or horrors ; would not recommend unless you're a maso, a spiritualist, or already an impartial observer sort of person. It can be euphoric, it can also be revolting/scary.

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>>9511483

>1. Improves focusing and ability to study and stay interested in tasks.
>2. Removes feelings of lethargy.
>3. Improves your mood.
>4. Helps with weight loss.

With that logic I could say heroin is a medicine too. It;

1: Improves your mood
2: Helps with weight loss
3: Relieves anxiety
4: Is a great way to relax.

Since when the fuck did a drug "improving your mood" become a medical benefit? Do you even think?

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>>9511494

What medical benefits have you noticed from it?

Apparently it's a medicine I heard.

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>>9511494

>(ab)use

Amphetamine abuse won't help any of those symptoms though. You'll just fry your dopamine receptors as you constantly increase your dose each time you lose the high because they downregulated, eventually getting to the point that you may permanently feel apathetic.

You can use amphetamines without getting high.

[Anonymous No.]

Yakui Yakui yakui

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>>9511515

You can use heroin, cocaine, or MDMA without getting high too.

What's your point?

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>>9511507

>Since when the fuck did a drug "improving your mood" become a medical benefit?

Why wouldn't it be a medical benefit? Your problem is that you feel depressed and the solution is improving your mood.

And the only problem with using opiates to treat those issues is that it's not a viable long-term solution because of the rapid tolerance build up. If you can take a stable dose of opiates for years without needing to increase your dosage to relieve anxiety then using opiates to treat anxiety or depression would be great.

[Anonymous No.]

Pure little girls don't do drugs
Normalfags do

There is no argument that proves this wrong.

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>>9511494
* What led you from proper use to abuse?
* What substances, and RoAs, were involved?
* Wch 2hu u fk?

>>9511507
Diacetylmorphine, made properly, remains an effective battlefield medicine, as intended in its design. Shit isn't meant to be used unless you've been shot.

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>>9511540

>Why wouldn't it be a medical benefit.

With that logic, smoking weed to cure boredom is a medical benefit.

>If you can take a stable dose of opiates for years without needing to increase your dosage to relieve anxiety then using opiates to treat anxiety or depression would be great.

Do you really think you can take SSRI's long term with no problem? SSRI tolerance withdrawals and SSRI withdrawals can be horrible.

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>>9511552
Thank god for strong opiates, I'm not sure how I would have been able to deal with surgery without them.

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>>9511552

Fine, then heroin a long with every other opiate has a true medical benefit, being pain relief.

Amphetamine still don't have any actual medical benefit though.

>* What led you from proper use to abuse?

What the fuck makes you think he ever once used them "properly"? By the way, there is no such thing as "proper" use of amphetamines you delusional fuck.

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>>9511560
To bring this subthread full-circle, ritalin is very nice when you can't smoke weed due to incoming piss test.

[Anonymous No.]

Very good thread

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>>9511528

>heroin, cocaine, or MDMA

Low doses of opiates are good for treating depression and anxiety, cocaine has too short of a duration to be useful and you would be better off taking a low dosage of an amphetamine, and low doses of MDMA is good for treating social anxiety.

The only issues are the tolerance build up and I don't know if tolerance will still build up at low doses of MDMA or opiates.

For example, most people will tell you that you can't take benzodiazepines long-term because of tolerance, but this isn't entirely true. I have been on a very low daily dosage of benzos (10mg of valium, that is barely anything) for six years now and I have never had to increase. I became tolerant to the heavy effects of the sedation, which is the most desirable effect for most people, but I never became tolerant to the anti-anxiety effects of the drug.

Highs are always unsustainable and you will always need to increase to combat tolerance, but that doesn't mean taking the drugs without the high is useless.

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>>9511552

boredom and ignorance. i was just like, what if i took TWO today?

Stimulants: Adderall, Dexedrine, Focalin, Vyvanse, Ritalin. and lots more. Also as far as phams go, I've also done a good bit of benzos and opiates.

I've sniffed them quite a lot, plugged a couple times (to those that don't know, that's where you mix the drug with water and put it up your ass in a syringe), but mostly just regular oral of course.

and i'd fuck flandre because my shit tastes

I would not recommend stimulant usage for depression. But that said, they are a better fix than SSRIs or something.

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>>9511383

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>>9511582

also done coke and meth, but i'm sticking strictly to pharmaceuticals for this conversation

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>>9511576

>I have been on a very low daily dosage of benzos (10mg of valium, that is barely anything) for six years now

Good, I'm glad.

I hope you have to stop taking them suddenly and get to witness what happens. You probably think you're safe because you've only been taking 10mg daily, I know most people prescribed them think that way.

I only wish I could be there to laugh.

>MDMA is good for treating social anxiety.

Why are people as fucking stupid as you allowed to live? I really can't wait until you have a seizure.

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>>9511560

>With that logic, smoking weed to cure boredom is a medical benefit.

Why not? If you don't mind the possible lung damage from smoking or if you just ingest it through edibles then treating boredom with weed is a perfectly viable long-term solution.

>Do you really think you can take SSRI's long term with no problem? SSRI tolerance withdrawals and SSRI withdrawals can be horrible.

When did I say anything about SSRIs? Those are horrible drugs. I went through SSRI withdrawal myself and it was hell. I never even felt any effects from the drugs aside from turning me into a zombie for a few months, so the whole thing was a complete waste of time and did nothing but make me feel like shit.

Low doses of a benzo or a low dose of opiates (if tolerance doesn't build up when taking low doses for long periods of time, I don't know if it does) would be far better treatments for anxiety.

Low doses of an amphetamine would far better treatment for depression.

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>>9511599
You seem like a very angry individual, maybe you're depressed. You should go see a doctor, maybe they'll prescribe you stimulants to help with your depression.

Remember, try to take it easy.

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>>9511606

>Why not? If you don't mind the possible lung damage from smoking or if you just ingest it through edibles then treating boredom with weed is a perfectly viable long-term solution.

There's a difference between something being a "solution" and something being a legitimate medical benefit.

You basically claimed something equal to claiming that smoking weed because you're bored is a legitimate medical benefit.

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>>9511613
Drop the condescending act, taking it easy doesn't grant you the right to be obnoxious.

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>>9511606

>Low doses of a benzo or a low dose of opiates (if tolerance doesn't build up when taking low doses for long periods of time, I don't know if it does) would be far better treatments for anxiety.

this 100x

it's not a treatment obviously because once you quit you be back to square one and factoring in withdrawls etc. maybe square -1...

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>>9511582

I'm choosing methylphenidate over SSRIs now due to not being Californian and wanting to be productive and better at social method acting.

Eirin due to medical fetish.

Also, agreed. SSRI damage is near forever; Stimulant withdrawal is cured by transdermal scopalamine until your neurons forget what stims they've addicted themselves to.

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>>9511621
if benzos, -4 to -life if you have a major depressive swing.

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>>9511599

>I only wish I could be there to laugh.

I've already tapered down off benzos before. Slow tapering off a 10mg dosage took a few weeks, there were very mild withdrawal symptoms, and then I was fine.

Benzo withdrawal is not hell unless you are trying to taper off a very high dose, especially off a benzo with a short half-life like xanax.

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>>9511624

mmethylphenidate is yucky. horrid comedowns for a jittery, anxious 'high'. better than nothing though, i suppose.

>how i feel during methyl comedowns

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>>9511613

No, I'm actually a very happy person. Oddly very happy and content almost all the time, and barely ever sad. I get angry very easily though, I get angry very often, and personally I enjoy being angry.

I hope your drug use seriously impacts you one day and you have to admit to yourself that you were a dumbass this entire time.

I used to be the same exact way, I used to say the same exact things you used to say. I used to view my drug use in the same exact way you did. I told myself I was using drugs "properly" and that only dumbasses with no willpower would suffer repercussions from drug use.

I thought anyone saying something bad happened to them from a drug I was also using, was just a irresponsible dickhead who had no clue what they were doing.

Just. Like. You.

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>>9511617

>You basically claimed something equal to claiming that smoking weed because you're bored is a legitimate medical benefit.

I would honestly say that it is.

If someone is suffering from something then I would say that anything that can treat this suffering has a legitimate medical benefit, even if it's something as mild as boredom.

The damage on your health from small amounts of weed, especially when you don't smoke it, is very small and possibly non-existent. Perfectly fine treatment for boredom if you decide that whatever risks there may be are worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

Would you smoke opium with Satori?

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>>9511640
Not as much dopaminergic effect, so it's mostly acting like super caffeine as opposed to most in its class.