/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Why haven't you learned Japanese yet?

Most of you have had a reason to want to learn for probably over five years. There's no excuse for not being fluent by now.

[Anonymous No.]

I play and then I play harder.

Language learning is not play.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't go to school

[Anonymous No.]

I memorized the kana in two days, but then I didn't know what to do and I gave up.

Kanjidamage was confusing. I like flashcards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475626

>school

Biggest waste of time ever, especially for learning a language. Self-taught is the only way to learn languages. Use the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語を身につけたらどうする？話せるようになって日本に行ったとしても
彼女が付き合ってくれるわけがない。ゲームやアニメは随分翻訳している
からわざわざ日本語を勉強するのはやり甲斐がない。

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475639

>ム

That looks like a little nose

[Anonymous No.]

I have a bad memory

[Anonymous No.]

The only thing I can think of is more loli h and that is apparently not enough motivation for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475635

any good recommendations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475639

>What would you do, if you wear the Japanese? I went to Japan as it is also able to speak Will you join us there is no reason she is. Anime games and have translated a lot You are going to study Japanese there is no way from rewarding.

I DO NOT WANT TO WEAR THE JAPANESE
HELP

[Anonymous No.]

I got through my kana and then I hit a brick wall; I think my mistake was trying to do kanji at the same time as grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

Kanji felt overwhelming.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I supposed to learn the meaning of kanji or am I supposed to just learn how the character is pronounced in Japanese and later figure it out once I learn vocab? I keep trying to read Japanese characters like they're hieroglyphics and I don't think that's right.

For example, in >>9475639 I see multiple 日 which is what I believe is the character for day time. I don't think he's talking about day time or sunlight though.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't learn primitive tongues. If it isn't based on the latin alphabet then it's some old language for savages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475677

I don't fucking understand the logic behind Kanji, it's fucking sound changes depend on how it's used! Everything should just be kana!

[Anonymous No.]

I'll do it tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475690
No. No it absolutely should not. In addition to the written language taking up even more space than it already does, I really don't like the idea of having to infer the meaning of every goddamn word that has a homonym and/or a synonym.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm working on it, just started on my kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475702
>I really don't like the idea of having to infer the meaning of every goddamn word that has a homonym and/or a synonym.
But you already do that in English, how bad could it be? As long as there's context you should be able to figure it out.

[Anonymous No.]

Kanji is easy
Knowing enough vocabulary to understand things is not

Then again, its just a matter of time. It just takes too much

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475677

Don't try to read shit when you're memorizing kanji. It will just confuse you. It makes more sense once you learn grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

If you can't understand the logic behind kanji, you know too little Japanese to even have an opinion about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't feel bad about not being able to understand kanji, /jp/.

You're a white person. If you don't have some Asian blood in you then you're just a little bit genetically inferior and you won't be able to understand this.

It's like trying to teach a dog how to type. He won't be able to do it, but there's still lots of ways for the dog to have fun and enjoy his life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475716
Note the scrollbar.
Also, japs don't usually use spaces in between words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475755

Japanese literacy has increased drastically since WW2. This is because the bombs detonated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki produced huge amounts of radiation which poisoned the entire population of Japan to varying degrees, but more importantly it had the unintentional side effect of mutating the next generation of Japanese children that were born post-WW2 and they mutated to have increased intelligence.

This is why Japanese literacy has increased so much. You can thank us for that.

[Anonymous No.]

I still haven't figured out a good way to learn kanji. I think the most successful method so far has been trying to translate porn on my own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475769

If the kana for half of that is all identical then does that mean if you were to speak this sentence then the word for period of time, organization, instrument, and key would all have the same exact pronunciation?

How can you tell the difference when speaking?

[Anonymous No.]

Ccrist this thread is a joke. kanji is ez-mode if you know what you're doing. from then on its repetition, grammar and vocab building and then one day you realize, BAM, you're fluent.

anyone with a shred of dedication in them could do it. sorry to sound so harsh but it's the truth. (of course, this implies that you know how to learn Japanese; if you don't, then you're screwed)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475789

What did you use to learn kanji?

I'm confused and slightly retarded. Please respond

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475791

I used the Heisig-based LazyKanjiMod2 method. It's way to complicated to explain in a single post so i'll just recommend AJATT.com, which explains everything. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475784
Yeah, you're right. People rely on context there.

But you read much faster than you speak or listen.
Also, speech has intonation. So you can sort of tell where words begin and end sometimes. If the same thing was written in kana, however, you wouldn't be able to tell, unless you knew the words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475797

Thank you

[Anonymous No.]

Dude...I don't even catch up to translated VNs/anime/games etc.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to learn Japanese so I can play moege and so that I can possibly do online translation work to make a little money since I'm too scared to get autismbux.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdSS2rdLHnA

Keep up your studies and please never give up.
You are a special person.
I encourage you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475820
>too scared to get autismbux.
It seems like you legitimately need them then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475832
Yeah, my parents called some girl from the social service last year but I locked myself in my room. They keep telling me to go there but I know I won't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475825

thank you for your kind words

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475843
Why don't you get them to go with you and help you there? It can actually help your cause if you have to be with your parents if you go to places.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475868
If he couldn't handle a single person in his own home I doubt he can handle any of the situations he would have to deal with for such a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475877
I'm giving him that advice being someone who can't really talk to anyone but my parents and a few others and I almost never leave my house. I'm sure he'll be able to handle it with his parents supporting him and taking him there.

[Anonymous No.]

When you all Japanese, do you aim to learn to understand it spoken or just to read it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475887
Spoken Japanese is way, way, way easier than written Japanese most of the time, but VNs, LNs and 2chan all require reading skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475892

Huh. I would have imagined it was the other way around.
Written English is easier than spoken English. Just the other day I was on a tram with these high school kids of middle eastern background.
They had such an accent that I assumed they were speaking Arabic or something, but after five minutes of listening I could understand it as English.
Perhaps I'm a bit deaf, but shit's difficult at times with all the variations in speech.

[Anonymous No.]

Is this the correct order of learning Japanese?

Memorize Kana > Memorize most common kanji characters > Grammar > Vocab > Practice with VNs

or does vocab go before grammar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475904
>Written English is easier than spoken English.
But no

[Anonymous No.]

japanese is a peasant language only subhumans would want to learn!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475911

Explain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475621
Most of the things I read don't need translation. If they do it's more worthwhile to me to just commission a translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475915
Any difficulty in spoken English is also present in written English and there is a lot of difficulty in written English that doesn't exist in spoken English. I can't actually figure out what you are claiming causes difficulty. Your post makes it seem like you are talking about accents and that is not really relevant to the language at all.

[Anonymous No.]

Clearly I must be retarded or something. I tried to take a look at Kanjidamage and I thought I understood everything from the kanji facts/the howto, but then I went to the first Kanji page and now I'm just confused.

The instructions say Jukugo always uses the ONyomi unless it has okurigana in it, but then you get to 一 and none of the Jukugo use ichi/itsu.

> もう一度(もういちど)
Does this Jukugo count as having Okurigana in it or is it just a Jukugo since the hiragana's at the beginning? If it doesn't count as having Okurigana, it makes sense, I guess.
> 一緒(いっしょ) に
why
> 一人(ひとり) で
why
> 一般的(いっぱんてき) な
why
> 一日(ついたち)
why
> 一番(いちばん)
fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475915
English spelling can be a bitch because the pronunciation and spelling of a word don't necessarily match up. If you hear a word in Japanese, you can easily write it in kana - this is not the case with English, as the pronunciation rules are somewhat scatterbrained due to the piecemeal nature of modern English. There are bits and pieces of dozens of other languages spread throughout the English language, and many of those bring their own guidelines for spelling and pronunciation with them and this results in a massive volume of exceedingly minor grammar and spelling rules.

[Clammy !SEGAo1.Ce6 No.]

I'm trying, but the grammar is fucking me so hard. Oh god, it makes no sense and there's so much to remember.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475965
You know English. How can you complain about any grammar not making sense?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475950
because grammar.

it's not part of the word, so it's not okurigana, but it's the particle you use it with.

Don't wonder why you don't understand it if you have no clue on how the grammar works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475906

I did:

Memorize Kana > Memorize most common kanji characters > Introductory textbook > Grammar > Vocab > Practice.

[Clammy !SEGAo1.Ce6 No.]

>>9475969
I know English because I've spoken it my whole life. I never really sat down and looked at the language. I just speak it because I do, you know what I mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475981
Really? Kanji just would not stick for me until I got a grounding in grammar first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475906
More or less. You'll be learning grammar and vocabulary simultaneously at the start.

[Anonymous No.]

いや、もう学んどるぞ
まさか俺一人なのか．．．
なら大変やな

/jp/よ、日本語の勉強をしろ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475984
Sorry I deleted my post, it was a lie. I actually did:

Genki I > RTK > Tae Kim > Core 6000 Sentence Pack > Practice and keep learning vocabulary and grammar

[Anonymous No.]

If you wish to possess understanding of the Japanese language then you must become one with the Japanese entity that exists inside of each of us.

I ask you this: How can a turtle know that he is a turtle if he does not see his reflection?

Think about that for awhile. Once you understand the meaning then you will be Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475639
俺はみすからそこのところを知った

「日本なら俺でもなんとか彼女が出来るはずや」とでも思ったが変人に思わ
れてただの男の友達でも出来んかった

やっぱり一生童貞や、俺は

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475994
Do turtles care about whether or not they are a turtle? Are turtles capable of having existential crises?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475993
Ah, alright then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476002
みずから

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475644
That's mu

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475993

What is RTK?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476015
Heisig's Remembering the Kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

But I am learning.

I still don't understand に because they put it everywhere like と with no logic behind it at all. I've been at this shit for two years now and still don't understand it. It's like one big horrible joke, like the Japanese themselves don't even know and they just look at what they wrote and go "Yeah, I need a と here." "Yeah I guess I could put a に somewhere in this clause that does nothing." It's like looking at a comma splice or a random ass semicolon. It makes me want to hurt things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476020
に denotes a direction lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476023
Except when it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476002
ヲタだっても白人として彼女を見つけるのは日本で西洋よりずっと簡単だよ
？

・・・外見と性格が気持ち悪くなければ・・・

[Anonymous No.]

に-Used after works indicating the specific point in time (e.g., 3 o'clock) at which - or a interval (e.g, one week) during which an action takes place. English equivalent: 'at'

に・へ - Indicates the direction toward which something is moving. In this sense に an へ are interchangeable. English equivalent: 'to'

に - Indicates a goal when used with verbs showing an inward movement. へ can replace に in this usage, but に is more common. English equivalent: 'in' 'into'

に - Indicates the location where an action takes place when combined with the following verbs: 座る, 置く,　住む, 勤める, 積もる. Compare with で which has the same function with most other verbs. English equivalent: 'in' 'on'

に - Like と, indicates a connection between two or more nouns to form a list that is complete in and of itself (unless the sentence ends with など). This particle is more formal than と. English equivalent 'and'

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476040
そういうのがよく聞くし
母国でモテないのに日本では彼女が出来た白人を見たことも多いし

でも俺は「カッコいい」や「かわいい」など、よく言われたから外見か性格
のせいでなかったはずや

留学で田舎に居ったからと思っとこっか
あるいは俺はハンサムすぎるから
どうにしても仕方無いさ

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475621
because no time and expensive books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476128
積極的に好きな子をデートに誘ったら付き合ってくれるするだろう、普通

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475906

That's not necessarily bad, but I would reccomend Memorize Kana > Grammer/basic vocab at same time > more vocab > Kanji > VNs or however you want to use Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476128
似非方言はやめましょう

[Anonymous No.]

I learned kanji from AGTH+VN
Learning was fun!

[Anonymous No.]

I just bought a slingbox to set up at my parents house in Japan (fiber 100mb↑↓) so now I can watch live Japanese television all day every day, and most importantly, finally participate in 実況スレ while back in the states.

[rin !w6purinX3k No.]

I'm too lazy

[Anonymous No.]

Man I wish I could read Japanese so fucking bad but then
>>9476271
happens and I hate myself I wish I could discipline myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476207
やろうなぁ

>>9476226
やめんぞ

[Anonymous No.]

ゆっくりしていってね！！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476317
(´･ω･`)ぶち殺すぞ

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476317
Isn't yukkuri like sexy time or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476327

やらないか?

[Anonymous No.]

because we care about what japanese think of japanese

we care about what we think of japanese

[Anonymous No.]

because i dont like being by myself

speakers of about every other language have offered help

[Anonymous No.]

Because I'm not a fucking nerd like you.

[Anonymous No.]

Ｂｅｃａｕｓｅ　ｊａｐａｎ　ａｒｅ　ｓｈｉｔ
Ｄｉｒｔｙ　ｓｍｅｌｌｙ　ｐｅｏｐｌｅ
Ｄｙｉｎｇ　ｐｅｏｐｌｅ
Ｊａｐａｎｅｓｅ　ｇｏ　ｔｏ　ｈｅｌｌ

[Anonymous No.]

I communicate through my Japanese spirit

[Anonymous No.]

I am strong enough
I can learn this
Someday I will
I know this to be true

[Anonymous No.]

I tried to learn it but I got dyslectia so it's very hard for me to learn a new language.

also I don't have the time for it anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476414
there should be a site where foreigners try to learn each others languages. people like you could use audio.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476495
On a related note, does anybody remember that image board that had automatic translation? I think it was Japanese, and the idea was to bridge the Japanese and Western image board communities together.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm scared to try, because I'm almost positive there will come a point where I have to say to myself "Hey -- this isn't going to happen for a lazy 26-year-old who's just a Japanese culture hobbyist."

Sage 'cause I'm a faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

I can only muster enough motivation to actively work towards one goal at the time, Japanese is currently not the most important one for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476557
What can be more important than learning Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

To all of you saying you're too lazy to learn Japanese; or any other language for that matter:

Get off your sweaty ass and actually accomplish something in your life. I know this is /jp/ and therefore are probably not the most motivated of people, but considering your lives seem to revolve around Japanese culture at least have the respect to learn the language. Even if it's the only thing you do

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476619
Masturbaiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>9475975
I wasn't referring to the particles...

I meant もう in もう一度.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know where to go.
I memorized the kana and then like a lost little child I wandered the internet in search of what to do next and it was all so confusing. One guy said to train vocabulary, one guy said to memorize kanji, one guy said do Heisig, another guy said Heisig sucks. It hurt my brain and made me sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476642

I was in the same boat dude, I know you may not like the answer, but the best thing to do would be to buy some textbooks or get a teacher until you have a good understanding on how sentences are formed. From here it will be much easier to self teach as you will mostly be just learning vocab.

As for which books I highly recommend Japanese for Busy People: KANA edition. I primer illy used this when learning Japanese and it is fantastic, also very cheap as far as textbooks go. I'm not sure if there's a a good torrent online so you would have to find it yourself if you were to torrent it.

I'd also highly recommend GENKI, it's very expensive but also very good. There are a few good torrents of it on thepiratebay so you should have no trouble finding a free version of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476642
Tae Kim's guide for grammar + Vocabulary

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476682
>>9476696
Now I'm confused and depressed again. please stop.

[Anonymous No.]

I have. Just haven't learned to speak or write that well yet because lol no practice partners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476706

I'm not sure how this could confuse you, I told you to buy/torrent some textbooks. I even named which ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476714
And this guy
>>9476696

Said something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476719

Not everyone is going to say the exact same thing, I don't want to put down what the other guy said, but I didn't find Tae Kim very good for an absolute beginner. Just stick with textbooks at first and then Tae Kim once you have a small base to learn with

[Anonymous No.]

I started learning two days ago with realkana and namasensei. I'm working on learning the kana an hour a night, and I have them all written down in my notebook so I can practice on breaks at work. It's pretty fun so far, i'm just hoping I don't hit the grammar/vocab wall and quit like quite a few of you seem to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476639
It's a separate word.
Same word as is used in the sense of "already".
If you were to translate it in this context, I suppose it might be "more", so you get "one more time". But in any case, it's a separate word, adnd not okurigana.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to learn, but every time I turn on my computer, I get sucked back here. Even if /jp/ is really shitty, I get stuck on this board for hours and accomplish nothing. I need to figure out how to leave. Please be more shitty, /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476772

Exactly what I did, when starting, I think a lot of people here are doing online lessons that are too advanced for them as they are absolute beginners. With a book/teacher you start from absolute begining so should be fine.

Also I cannot recommend namasensei enough, he is very good

[Anonymous No.]

This is the order I did shit

> Remembering the Kana
> Genki I + II
> Dictionnary of basic japanese grammar
> KanjiDamage round1: meanings
> Integrated approach to Intermediate Japanese
> KanjiDamage round 2: onyomi, kunyomi, juukugo
>Dictionnary of intermediate japanese grammar

Now I'm working my way through LNs and mangas with rikai-kun, kinda stuck though, what should I do now?

[Anonymous No.]

do 'eroge everyday' really works?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476885
No, AGTH/ITH translates everything into a garbled mess so you need to know at least 1000+ kanji to even consider doing something this stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476885
Any sort of reading material will help past the beginning stages of learning any language. It also helps a lot if you actually enjoy the reading material, however you'll definitely be looking up almost every kanji and word during your first try, but you'll eventually get better and better at it if you keep trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476903
You should be at least JLPT3 to even begin to consider getting into reading materials, IMO

[Anonymous No.]

what i did:
the inevitable: kana
read taekim's guide
google "chrome extension japanese dictionary" for something awesome
open up twitter and follow some artists i know on pixiv/nico

the good thing: all words learned are assured to be "useful"
the bad thing: it doesnt help with listening to spoken japanese. and i found myself lack ability of communication in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476893
I'm using Jparser with ITH.
Why do I need to know 1000+ kanji if it shows the meaning of them?
It's not a garbled mess, there are just some errors but you can easily recognize them if you know at least some basic grammar rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9477019
But you'll never learn anything at this rate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9477019
How much did you know before you started?
Do you think you will ever be able to read without and translation tool?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476957
>chrome
wwwwwwww

[Anonymous No.]

I'm still waiting for my Ritalin prescription.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9477070
I had finished both genki textbooks, and knew about 400 kanji.
I'm still learning kanji, but nothing for grammar.
Actually I can't read anything without assistance, but I can grasp the meaning of some sentences even before I check it.

[Anonymous No.]

どうして歯医者＝敗者？ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>9477078
You like how some of me fags think I can judge loose-boy or romeo when all I did was read shitty translations by highschoolers and uncultured neet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9477135
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXb0hNMI_B0
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476495
There are sites like that though

[Anonymous No.]

>>9476495
There are sites. They all suck because they are filled with people who want to learn a language with zero effort.

[Anonymous No.]

IS there a point to learning kanji on it's own?

Seems like a huge waste of time, especially when you're going for meanings only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9477410
>IS there a point to learning kanji on it's own?
No, you learn words and how to write them.