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Why do the Japanese still use these mongoloid cave painting characters?

When the Typewriter was invented, did they not have a moment of reflection to think "Hm, we might have too many fucking characters"?

>> No.9210684

because changing centuries of words is a pain in the ass

>> No.9210689

Your post made me laugh because I actually could imagine it.

>> No.9210691

because it pissesoff americans like there's no tomorrow.

>> No.9210692

they stole them from the chinese

>> No.9210693

The typewriter era must have been really shitty for Japanese and chinese. Too bad there are computers now, ot they'd probably consider switching to full kana.

>> No.9210695

They actually did. They considered converting to the roman alphabet at that time, but they eventually gave up on the idea.

>> No.9210697

but even typing on the keyboard and phone is complicated in japanese

>> No.9210698

They would like to, but the old fucks who had to learn all this shit want the young ones to suffer like they did and learn all of their ridiculous, idiosyncratic characters.

>> No.9210702

To exclude waito piggus like OP.

>> No.9210703

All 8-bit era RPG were written entirely in kana.
Phantasy Star
Final Fantasy
Megami Tensei

just to name a few. Do not let everyone tell you that it's impossible to write and understand japanese without Kanji. That's bullshit.

>> No.9210710

Try to read a Japanese text written in kana only and you know why.

>> No.9210716

Mother 3.

>> No.9210718


It isn't impossible, but really annoying. Think about an English text without spaces and every letter capitalized and you get the picture.

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>> No.9210720

No problem there.

>> No.9210725

Because then it would be like Koreans.


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>> No.9210729

Then add spaces. They exist for a reason.
About upper case only, have you ever noticed that manga scanlations do this?

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>without spaces

And what exactly prevents you from using them? Pic related.

>> No.9210738

not really. they do make spaces between words in jap and there are not shit tone of words which have the same spelling.

>> No.9210740


>> No.9210742


They actually have cut down on the amount on kanji pretty significantly. in the 1940s they reduced it to only a handful of thousands. Before that I hear there were upwards of 10000 in circulation.

>> No.9210765

>About upper case only, have you ever noticed that manga scanlations do this?
Yeah true. But why did they do that in the first place? Was there a problem printing them normally?

>> No.9210775

lower case and upper case are merely accessory in the latin alphabet. there is no real need to have both. look i'm writing all in lower case, do you really have that many problems reading this?

and that begs a question... why don't we get rid of upper case? it's just a pointless bother... if we don't we can't really complain about japs not getting rid of kanji.

>> No.9210778

Scanlator groups have just followed the example of English comics, which are also all-caps. Why they did it in the first place, I'm not sure.

Maybe to add a conversational air (full capitalization and grammar seems stiff, sometimes;) I'm sure you could look this up somewhere.

>> No.9210780

It's not all that difficult to remember to dot your t's and cross your i's, remembering a hundred thousand characters is different.

>> No.9210782

You're off by about 99,000 there anon.

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I studied Jap lit before dropping out of college, he's not far off.

>> No.9210784


An example better suited to the comparison would be learning the word automobile versus the word car. There's no need for the former: it's just like kanji.

>> No.9210792

Ja pa nees haz kahn jee for the saym ree sen o ther ri ten layng gu a jes ar ent pur lee fun e tik. It mayks ree ding a payn; Wes ter ners hav tu me mo riz un in tu i tiv spel lings ra ther than kahn jees.

(This is my best approximation of purely phonetic English; there might be a lot of inconsistencies running around.)

>> No.9210795

>>omg my glorius nipon has ben insulted i must defend her with my life!!

>> No.9210799

It wasn't insulted, and I wasn't really defending it. I was just explaining why kanji exists because somebody asked why you can't, say, just write everything purely in kana. It's not unreadable by any means, but it is much slower.

>> No.9210803

>they do make spaces between words in jap

They generally don't.

>> No.9210805

And while I was doing that I forgot the other huge reason, which is the same word in Japanese can be pronounced different ways, so learning that a lot of different kana combinations mean the same thing without a heading to group them all other (the symbol) might be a pain.

They could have just standardized the readings when the typewriter age began but that would be really taking an axe to the language and that was only a few decades anyway.

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yeah whatever nerd, use your ~logic~ and ~reason~ all you want but you can't hide behind it forever sperglord autist dickfag cumdrinker

>> No.9210809

hello i am this poster

forgive me for misleading you, i am clinically retarded and couldn’t count the fingers on one hand

also i am completely wrong

about everything

>> No.9210813

Ah,the stereotypical complaint from retards that never studied the language or have a shitty grasp of it.

Just -try- to read a real book without kanji, I dare you.
You don't want to lose kanji, trust me and everyone else that actually knows the language.

>> No.9210816

You should have used IPA spellings instead, it would have an added bonus of demonstrating the otherwise not covered need to learn the entirely new writing system.

>> No.9210819

Spaces and basic contextual knowledge.

>> No.9210820

Space and context this, retard.

>> No.9210823

Because they are the best way to put their language down. Have you never seen what sort of mess can be made when trying to put east-asian languages down with our letters?
I mean, sure you watched your favourite anime and read the karaoke subtitles and they seemed perfectly alright - but just delve a little deeper and you can end up like this:
Though admittedly that's Chinese, not Japanese.

>> No.9210826

more like you're a faggot and not me.

>> No.9210827

kanji is pretty and incredibly useful when reading. i wont see it disappear because fucking retards like op cant take a month to learn them all.

fuck you op, go learn German if you are so inept.

>> No.9210829

latin was almost completely phonetic. it was also written in all capital leters with no spaces.


the only real reason they haven't adopted a modern writing system is the same reason korean scholars were against hangul. the educated want reading to be something for only the educated.

>> No.9210832

the japs are already saying thinks like racki and sankyuu. Just wait and see, English will take over the whole country.

>> No.9210834

go learn another ten thousand then, weeaboo.

>> No.9210837

Just in time for the rest of the world to switch to arabic and mandarin.

>> No.9210841

It's a good thing that Kanji remains.
It acts as a good filter for keeping out retards like the op who are incapable of learning the language.

>> No.9210842

A backwards language for a backwards country.

>> No.9210850

england is already using French stuff such as apricot, lion, rouge, and a bunch of other stuff. it is only a matter of time right?

where did /jp/ go? where did you idiots come from?

>> No.9210852

>it is only a matter of time right?
Have you been to Reddit?

>le cool face
>le niwaka

French has taken over the English language

>> No.9210853

They went to bun.

We're waiting for you.

>> No.9210856

Not /jp/.

The only Japanese threads that are even remotely related are the learning threads for the purpose of accessing untranslated materials. Complaining about it has no relationship to the board theme.

>> No.9210867

We say stuff like Cuh-Me-Cut-Se and tsunami. Surely we will soon use kana.

>> No.9210868

There can be language otaku. It's relevant.; a lot of us aspire to learn moonrunes.

>> No.9210876

>a lot of us aspire to learn moonrunes.
I said this is relevant. I said that this specific thread is unrelated because its entire purpose is to bitch about the language. That helps nobody. /jp/ is not your blog.

>> No.9210879

Sorry for that. I'm German if it wasn't obvious.

>> No.9210881

What horrifying mudland do you dwell in that people somehow speak in that manner?

>> No.9210886

Since I respect your people's work, I guess I can let it slide just this once.

>> No.9210889

Bitching about the language isn't mutually exclusive with learning about it. Just because it's not helping you, personally, doesn't mean it's a blog post.

>> No.9210895

Point to a single post in this thread that aids the learning of the language in any way.

Go ahead.

>> No.9210903


It makes sense in German. It's not like Japanese don't mutilate foreign words.

>> No.9210904

I said "learning about the langauage," which is not necessarily "learning the language." But surely you'll agree that a sense of background and history helps glue your understanding of a language together, right?

>> No.9210905

Your excuse is pathetic, shitposter.

>> No.9210907

They did try transition to western alphabet, but that didn't work well as there are so many homonyms etc. in the Japanese, almost every kana is a combination of consonant and vowel and hence amount of different words is quite limited unless you want to increase their length tremendously. If Japanese were to be made to fit our alphabet the changes would essentially render it no longer Japanese.

>> No.9210908

Are you posting ironically? It's still shitposting even if it's ironic.

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OP here, this was way too easy

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This was my facial expression when I saw the contents of this thread.

>> No.9210914

/jp/ a shit.

>> No.9210920

>le mfw
epic droll bro

>> No.9210924

op might think himself a troll, but the reason it worked is because it wasn’t out of place at all

>> No.9210934

Oh, Jesus Christ. If they went full kana it would be so much easier.

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Do you notice it's always the people who try to learn Japanese, give up because it's too "hard", and then blame the language for their failures?
They're not going to convert the language to kana just to appease foreigners.
If you even took the time to learn Japanese, you would realize kanji consists of a lot less characters. Many of them contain simple characters rearranged in different ways.

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I like Kana

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>> No.9210981

more of these funny dogs!

>> No.9211002

I can't read Japanese written in hiragana, even though I can pronounce it. I don't even know how to read katakana, as in I'm totally illiterate in it.

Kanji is the only thing that allows me to read even a lick of Japanese. They're no harder then learning English's inconsistent spelling, which is so fucked up and worthless I can't even begin to guess how an English word is spelled.

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>> No.9211169

I have one language and one date for you:

Turkish and 1928


> Implying Japanese wouldn't do an even better job if they weren't so narrow-minded.

>> No.9211178

>Velar approximant

>> No.9211191

Arabic script was fine, I don't know why they needed to do that
Or why Croatia abandoned Cyrillic

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