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Second time I read the first image, it is not as painfull as the frost time

I grow up, and that's all that matter.

Q : If you grow up then why still on Touhou
A : >Imlying grow up means that you should let go of something precious

Q : But they are not living being
A : So does 4chan and the rest of your gets

Q : You still waste your time
A : Your get faggotery had exist before /jp/; thus, you lose more

Now start listen to John Lennon's Imagine

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>> No.9198765

I have it on good authority that the ancient aliens harvest our consciousness when we die.

>> No.9198781

when you die you wake to realise that you were just dreaming of that life, but then you die in that life you wake up again and realise you are in fact a tree dreamin you were a man

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>> No.9198794 [DELETED] 

>>9198756
Sorry, but I'm having difficulties understanding your post, OP...

>> No.9198809

>>9198756
you realize phone was KoG and you just got trolled like HELL right dude?

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>>9198782

>> No.9198846

what the fuck is going on in this thread

>> No.9198897

I don't know what you guys are on about but my favorite touhou is real. So are all of yours.
If you are good, you get to go to gensokyo when you die and hang out with our lovely friends.

Please don't make /jp/ sad. There is no reason to spread such sad lies.

>> No.9198911

>>9198897
See >>9198809

>> No.9198948

Actually, you are very very wrong.
If time is endless, or endless enough for a big bang to occur and create all of these wonderful things by accident, then all you have to do is wait.

when you die, eventually your consciousness will be reborn on some other planet or dimension, a few million or maybe billions of years after you die. But that wait will feel like nothing at all, it's the same as before you were born.

A caterpillar is just as a human, as a butterfly is to a planeswalker. A human is only the larval stage of what you can, or rather, will become.

>> No.9198960

I'm sorry but I don't listen to bedwetters.

>> No.9198966
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Faith is the only thing in life that is truly valuable. Anything is real if you believe in it enough.

If you believe that God exists then he will talk to you. Whether or not he actually exists is irrelevant, all that matters is that you believed it enough that your mind began to hallucinate his voice. The same is true for everything, even touhou.

Pick your favorite touhou and believe that she's real and talk to her every day. Eventually she's gonna talk back and eventually you will even see her. It's all about faith and discipline. Keep on believing and never give up and all of your dreams will come true, even if it's in the form of very vivid hallucinations.

>> No.9198977

>>9198966
Faith is for the transient people.

>> No.9198988

>>9198977
Are you a immortal being

>> No.9199000
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>>9198988
Don't hit on me silly mortals~

>> No.9199005

>>9198948
Why would your conscious be reborn?
Your conscious is your brain and when you die those cells are going to rot away and lose all information

>> No.9199011

>>9199005
Prove it then, atheist.

>> No.9199016

>>9199011
I was asking you you idiot, i'm not even atheist
just tell me your logic

>> No.9199037

>>9199011
You don't have to be an atheist to see that the bibles are messes of nonsense fabricated, modified and re-modified by many pathetic men over a period of hundreds of years. And that Christianity is nothing but a brainwashing machine which only exists in its current widespread form because the controllers of many governments have determined that Christian religions are useful for producing easily manipulated people who have trouble thinking independently and pay far less attention to what their governments are doing. Seriously, go watch that episode of Family Guy where Brian and Stewie go to an alternate dimension where Christianity never existed. No crime. No wars. No hate. I guarantee you it will open your eyes to Atheism.

>> No.9199029

>>9199016
You implied consciousness would not be reborn. Prove it.

>> No.9199032

>>9199000
Medaka a shit

>> No.9199039

>>9199005
that is not dead which can eternal lie
and in strange aeons even death may die.

>> No.9199051
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>>9199005
Your body replaces cells all the time, does that mean you yourself died? Of course not.

Think of your person, or mind, as a series of 0's and 1's. That binary number can be rewritten into any other numerical system you want as well. It can be brought down to that after all, just neural connections that write out everything that you are and have experienced. So you are just one very large number that has been built from everything you've done in life. Eventually, that number will occur again, and that is you born in another dimension/planet/universe.

Makes perfect sense.

>> No.9199044

Touhou is shit though, and the fandom it gets is just as retarded as mylittlebabby.

>> No.9199046

>>9199029
Why would it be reborn?
Your consciousness is the arrangement of braincells, when they've rotten away they're not braincells anymore, the information of your consciousness is lost.

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>>9199037
>Seriously, go watch that episode of Family Guy where Brian and Stewie go to an alternate dimension where Christianity never existed.

This has got to be a troll.

>> No.9199048

>>9199005
>implying that given enough time, all the possibilities won't resurface
>including that each and every atom composing a brain won't reassemble

>> No.9199058

>>9199044
oh no u didnt

>> No.9199060

complete amnesia is the same as dying

>> No.9199061

>>9198966

can i be magical if i belief

>> No.9199062

>>9199037
>determined that Christian religions are useful for producing easily manipulated people who have trouble thinking independently and pay far less attention to what their governments are doing
what about those biblical scholars? what about those who vehemently oppose many attempts in legislation, paying a uncomfortably harsh attention on what the governments are doing?

>go watch that episode of Family Guy
oh right. you watch a shitty show that's LOLSORANDUM

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>>9199044
Fuck you faggot, My Little Baby is the greatest DS game ever made.

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Maybe when I am reborn 55 trillion googolplex years later, I'll have sex with a woman!

>> No.9199078

>>9199070
It wont take that long.
The universe is approximately 15 billion years old.

>> No.9199080

>>9199046
>Your consciousness is the arrangement of braincells

Prove it

>> No.9199081

>>9199070
Why put off 55x10^{(10^{100})} years what you can do today?
If Chris Chandler could do it, I'm sure you could.

>> No.9199084

>>9199078
so's youir mom

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>>9199078

Sure, THIS universe is. Who knows how many times it's been repeated. It could be a number so big we don't have enough particles in this universe to even represent the zeroes after a one to describe it. What if this is the first iteration of my consciousness?

>> No.9199104

>>9199092
Do you remember before you were born?
How long that was? It will be the snap of your fingers before you are conscious again

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>>9199081

CWC had sex?

Who was the unlucky landwhale?

>> No.9199107

>>9199092
What episode of King of the Hill is that from?

>> No.9199111

Keep deluding yourself /jp/
you all know in your heart that it's just going to end without ever being reborn.
You wish for it, but deep in your mind there's the parasite that knows... death is the end.

>> No.9199115

>>9199104

Oh I understand that-but the actual amount of time could be near-immeasurable by any objective standard, to any outside viewer.

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>>9199051

If I'm just an arrangement of brain cells then why are humans the only animals that can speak Japanese?

The answer is that we're not animals. We're a species of angels that have forgotten the history of our people and we simply think we're animals because the ancient gods have stranded us on this planet. It's why humans create beautiful works of art and speak beautiful languages like Japanese and every other animal just eats their poop all day.

>> No.9199121

skeptic people are a cancer upon /jp/

>> No.9199132

>>9199051
Even if that was true, the you would never exist again.

That's like saying if we were able to teleport by destroying the original body and creating an exact copy of the exact same body at another place, the person would still be you.

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I hate people who don't believe in magic. Why do you want life to be so boring?

Why would you want to believe that nothing magical exists and nothing amazing happens when you die? Who cares if it's the truth, I would much rather believe a fun and exciting lie then live with a boring truth.

If it wasn't for people like you then everyone would believe that magic is real, I would think that dragons live in the forests, and life would be fun.

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Guys, if your consciousness is reborn, and the universe is based on causality, then you will act exactly the same way that you did in this lifetime. In short, you will be a loser for eternity.

>> No.9199142

>>9199132
But it is you. Think of it like this.
Your last save is when you die, and you load that in another area, in a new system, in new hardware, but the same data.

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>>9199136

There are plenty of people who believe in magic.

Besides, science becomes so esoteric and insane as it increases in complexity, that it practically is magic. Why not became a wizard of reality?

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>>9199144

>science becomes so esoteric and insane as it increases in complexity, that it practically is magic

THE UNIVERSE IS MADE OF STRING

>> No.9199156

>>9199136
Which path did you take in ep8 of Umineko?

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>>9199142

What if your consciousness is specific to that data and the specific atoms it was tied too? You guys sure are making a lot of assumptions about consciousness, when we hardly even have a working definition of it, let alone any serious understanding of such.

>> No.9199167

>>9199142
It can't be you, now lets take my example from before but without destroying the original body we just create an exact copy.
You won't share the consciousness of the other body, it will be you and the other you that is a clone. Do you really think that for example one of you kills the other you the consciousness of the killed one will be transferred to the living one?

>> No.9199171

>>9199158
Your assumption is idiotic. I've already explained up above that hardware means null. Your body replaces cells all the time, and by that definition, atoms.

>> No.9199173

>>9199167
Dual consciousness.

>> No.9199195

>>9199173
I don't even know what this is supposed to be.
Did you just make that up?

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>>9199171

It also does this very gradually. Your consciousness is never completely interrupted by changing the "hardware" of your body. Again, we don't even know what consciousness is.

>> No.9199209

>>9199195
no, the address for that being is worked by a single consciousness. Like a hivemind

If you killed one it would be like you losing a finger.

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We are all one with the universe. My soul does not exist and my belief in a soul is a product of my ego and that is an illusion that I have developed after years of being told that I have a unique identity and that I am an entity that is separate from the world around me.

In reality I am just as connected to everything within the universe as my arms are connected to me. We're all one with everything.

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>>9199173

How would that work, exactly? Are you saying identical patterns of a certain complexity somehow make instantaneous, faster-than-light information transfers possible? Are you saying your brain has some unknown protocol for sharing a single consciousness with multiple iterations of itself?

>> No.9199227

>>9199209
Yes, a finger. Not a horrifying parody of yourself, sitting in a cloned body, probably thinking you're the fake.

You have really strange ideas on how that would work.

>> No.9199235

>>9199226
>Are you saying identical patterns of a certain complexity somehow make instantaneous, faster-than-light information transfers possible?

I was unaware signals to my body were instantaneous, faster-than-light transfers.

One consciousness operates both pieces of hardware. Signal propagation delay is a moot point in that.

>> No.9199243

>>9199227
If it is not only a cloned body, but the same number I am, then we should be thinking the same thoughts, it would not be two separate beings, but one being operating two bodies.

I would not be stupid enough to cripple myself by destroying another of my bodies.

>> No.9199244

>>9199235
>One consciousness operates both pieces of hardware

I like your world-view, you should be a writer or something

>> No.9199246

>>9199235
So if an exact copy of your brain was carved out of a block of wood, that block would respond however you will it, just becuase it's shaped that way?

Or if an exact copy of your brain were made, and say you rip someone else's out, and scoop your copy in there, this other person would just be a puppet to you, even though you have no way whatsoever of sending these thoughts to it?

You must be an esper.

>> No.9199247

>>9199144
You're not far off. I'm of the opinion that theoretical physics is little more than scientists coming up with shit to fit the models they have at hand. They invent new math and concepts to explain the world with little/no testability.

>>9199173
I doubt something like this could exist. Even if we created an exact copy, the moment it comes into being, it becomes different if even on an infinitesimally small scale, thus being a different "you". This is disregarding the question of how two minds physically apart from each other could operate as one.

>> No.9199249

Good thread.

>> No.9199255

>>9199243
What a load of special snowflake wank.

>> No.9199273

>>9199255
but I'm arguing against special snowflake wank, that consciousness can be relegated to a single number of considerable size.

>> No.9199281

Then, if this life is just a lucid dream, why don't we just go out and have fun instead of waiting to die and wake up?

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>>9199235

>One consciousness operates both pieces of hardware. Signal propagation delay is a moot point in that.

No it isn't. Since you're fond of using the fallacious computer metaphor-if I wired two computers together,that are 200 million lightyears apart and had them send data to one another, the components in the computer would fail before the signal was even received in either of them. Your consciousness emerged from a system that works at a certain relative speed-you would have to be a different being entirely to be able to process 200 million lightyears in the same way that we experienced a second.

You still haven't defined what a consciousness is in your framework anyway, and it's impossible to currently do so, if it ever will be. So both of our arguments are fundamentally retarded.

>> No.9199284

Oh are deluded mathematicians still thinking that everything is just numbers?

Protip: This only works on paper

In the real world a brain is not the arrangement of numbers.

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None of us will ever truly die.

My consciousness may fade away when this body dies, but everything that I am made of will return to the earth and when you look at a flower or an animal then you will know that part of me is now what makes up their body.

This body is an arrangement of many things that came before me and they will continue to be many more things after this body is gone. My consciousness is like a wave that forms in the ocean and then crashes against the shore. That wave is gone, but the water that made up the wave flows back to the sea and it will form into many more waves, each with their own unique shape but still made of the same water that made that first wave.

>> No.9199299

>>9199284

You can represent anything with numbers, though. If they actually work the way they do in a mathematical model is another thing entirely. This is part of the reason why we will never see the singularity in our lifetime.

>> No.9199302

>>9199273
A number like that would be the summation of many things that we may/may not aware of, the biggest one here being physical place. I would say there is no such thing as an exact copy so long as the original exists.

>>9199281
Outside is not fun. "Fun" is subjective. The fact that life is a lucid dream can be challenged.

>> No.9199312

>>9199282
Consciousness is the data that represents you.
If the lifetime of one piece of hardware was too short to receive the signal, is another thing entirely. The same as stillbirth.

>> No.9199313

>>9199282

I screwed up the second part. I meant the time it takes for a signal to travel 200 million light years as compared to how quickly a signal is sent from your brain to, say, your fingers when you shitpost on /jp/.

Remember, people, time and space are connected; they are in no way irrelevant in this discussion.

>> No.9199327

/jp/ - Existential philosophy 101

>> No.9199332

>>9199313
It's only quick in perspective to a human lifetime.

>> No.9199333

>>9199312

>Consciousness is the data that represents you.

And what is that data, exactly? What is it composed of? Is it just a pattern of neurons and synapses in your mind?

In that case, your consciousness itself is changing constantly. The you from 2 seconds ago isn't really the same you that exists now. As soon as there existed two copies of yourself, they would change ever so slightly and grow apart. If so much as a particle of difference existed in that "data" that represents you, the link would be broken. And how would you overcome that possibility of difference? If you created two entirely identical worlds, even their existing relative to one another might be enough of a difference to render this data different enough to create two new consciousnesses.

>> No.9199347

>>9199332

Yes, and your consciousness is based on the perspective of a human, you imbecile.

>> No.9199355

>>9199333
>As soon as there existed two copies of yourself, they would change ever so slightly and grow apart. If so much as a particle of difference existed in that "data" that represents you, the link would be broken.

That's what I was saying earlier. There can't be an exact copy so long as an original exists. The existence of a copy necessarily implies difference because only one entity can occupy a particular space at a particular time. You can have a copy to continue where you leave off, but it won't be you.

>> No.9199362

If there's an unlimited number of alternate universes then it would be possible to have universes existing that contain beings that can travel between alternate universes, and since there would be an infinite number of them why has none of them traveled to this universe and on earth yet?

With unlimited possibilities this should have happened already right?

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IN MY PAST LIVES I WAS A WARRIOR, AN INDIAN, A MAN OF THE SHADOWS, SEVERAL BEARS, A ROSE, A STAR VOYAGER WHO HAS NO NAME THAT WE CAN NOT PRONOUNCE WITH THE HUMAN TONGUE, AND NO DOUBT COUNTLESS OTHER LIVES WHICH I HAVE NO MEMORY OF

WHO WILL I BE NEXT?

>> No.9199368

>>9199333
Yes, it's a pattern and it being capable of interpretation is all that matters, not what it's composed of.

>In that case, your consciousness itself is changing constantly. The you from 2 seconds ago isn't really the same you that exists now

Yes, and the final number you are before you die is one that will eventually reoccur, so by definition you reoccur and continue from the moment that number stopped being altered in this lifetime.

>As soon as there existed two copies of yourself, they would change ever so slightly and grow apart. If so much as a particle of difference existed in that "data" that represents you, the link would be broken.

So now your argument against me is to refute the one you stated in >>9199167?
The data of the clone changing or staying the same does not matter either. If it forks then it's two beings, if it doesn't then it's the same being at two points.

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>>9199362

What if we're in one of the universes where the possibility of that possibility is non-existent?

>> No.9199374

>>9199369
>>9199362

Multiple universe theory is a load of wishful bullcrap, it's no different than believing in the christian god

>> No.9199375

>>9199347
Not at all, unless you're making the ridiculous assumption that our species is so special we are the only ones to experience consciousness.
Lets not resort to insults, ``please''.

>> No.9199384

>>9199362
No, because a thought experiment doesn't necessarily refer to real-life phenomenon. Besides, MWH is a joke.

Alternate or other universes could exist, but they would likely operate on their own unique physics and structures that are incompatible with ours

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9199392

God is real, Jesus is the path to heaven, and you're all going to hell.

Enjoy your multiverse delusions, you heathen pieces of shit. I'm putting my money on Big G and Little J.

>> No.9199390

>>9199362
Not at all, we could be an exception possibility where that does not occur.
>>9199374
Are you saying a christian god is an impossibility? That's awfully ignorant. How can you assure yourself that there is not, when there is so much EMPTY around?
If you take the big bang theory as a fact, then what came before then? Who's to say that a God did not cause the big bang?

It takes as much faith to be an Atheist as it does to be a Christian.

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>>9199368
I'm
>>9199282
not
>>9199167

>Yes, and the final number you are before you die is one that will eventually reoccur

That doesn't instantly imply you can operate two sets of hardware at the same time with the same consciousness, which is what I'm arguing against.

>> No.9199405

>>9199391
you can. If the other piece of hardware receives the signal is a different matter altogether.

>> No.9199401

>>9199392
say that to my face fucker and not online and see what happens

>> No.9199411

>>9199375
>we are the only ones to experience consciousness.

To the advanced degree that we could even discuss something like this? It's possible. The truth? Unknowable.

>>9199390
Some physicists argue for a universe that has always existed with no beginning. A Christian god is not impossible, but largely improbable.

>> No.9199416

>>9199390
I'm not an atheist or anything, and I don't say there's a 0% of the christian god existing as he's described.

It's still bullcrap based on the probability that each of those theories have.
It all comes down to "I believe what I like to believe because you can't disprove it"

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>>9199375
>Not at all, unless you're making the ridiculous assumption that our species is so special we are the only ones to experience consciousness.
Lets not resort to insults, ``please''.

So, because the possibly exists that there are other beings in the universe that have some sort of consciousness, possibly one that is based on a pattern of signals that travel much slower than the speed of light, or one that travels much faster than the speed of light (lol), this means yours is not based on the perspective of a human?

Watch out people, we have an immortal alien in our thread telling us what everything means.

>> No.9199424

>>9199405

>you can

How do you know? You keep using circular logic.

>> No.9199429

op loves cock

that's because he's a pussy

>> No.9199441

>>9199420
>or one that travels much faster than the speed of light (lol),

So far, that has been the set speed limit we have calculated. No need to come off like such an ass though, >>9199411 understood what I meant just fine.

>>9199424
Because a body is just a shell,or piece of hardware, so it's not impossible to operate two at one time. I don't see what's so circular about that.

>> No.9199450

You off-boarders make me sick.
Take this crap to /sci/ or something.

We don't care for reality here.

>> No.9199460

>>9199441

Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying, though. It's a matter of relativity. You might be confusing me with someone else.

>> No.9199478

>>9199441

>Because a body is just a shell,or piece of hardware, so it's not impossible to operate two at one time.

You can't even prove that there exists a duality between consciousness and body, how can you know that a consciousness that has emerged from the context of a singular body can handle running two pieces of hardware at the same time? Oh, and saying "Cells are replaced over time" is far from proving a duality, by the way. You're oversimplifying this to a point of absurdity.

>> No.9199502

The real question is: Does it hold any significance either way?
You know the answer.

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>>9199502

Are you implying that the nature of reality, consciousness and the ultimate fate of humanity is of no significance to you?

>> No.9199527

>>9199510
He's saying it doesn't matter, because when he's reborn in a different plane, he can continue from there and get it eventually without worrying.

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>>9199527

You can't know that is what he means, that's what you assume he means.

Fucking prick.

>> No.9199594

>>9199552
Why are you assuming my assumption is incorrect?

>> No.9199606

Kuso thread award.

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>>9199594

I'm not, you could be correct, but there's no way to know, and you assume that you ARE correct, making you a presumptuous cunt.

>> No.9199630

>Janitor

>> No.9199631

>>9199615

Fuck off with your stupid anime images.

>> No.9199642

>>9199615

Well just trust in me?
Why can't you trust me?

>> No.9199648
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9199648

>>9199631

How about you suck my fucking cock instead, faggot?

>> No.9199656

>>9199648
I'd suck biribiri's cock

>> No.9199663
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9199663

>>9199648
I wish i could anon..I wish i could..

>> No.9199664

What the fuck is the janitor doing anyway? Does he not care?

>> No.9199670

>>9199648
misaka is really cute

just saying...

>> No.9199675
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9199675

For every shitpost someone makes the janitor has to be there to delete them.

>> No.9199676

>>9199648
>she wants to fuck.jpg

>> No.9199678
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9199678

>>9199664
Try to understand internet a little bit

>> No.9199700
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9199700

>>9199670
Kuroko is way more cuter.

>> No.9199717
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9199717

>>9199700
I bet Kuroko has a perfect smalll uncut cock perfect for sucking on

>> No.9199719

SHOW ME YOUR DICK, SHITPOSTER

>> No.9199741
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9199741

>>9199700
nope sorry, we misacute now

>> No.9199761
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9199761

>>9199741
No thank you.

>> No.9199775
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9199775

>>9199761

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