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what caused your depression?

>> No.9168236

Genetics.

>> No.9168240

Lack of social interaction.

>> No.9168242

>>9168229
You.

>> No.9168250

>>9168236

This. All the men in my family down my father's side had issues with depression.

>> No.9168251

You not sucking my cock, dude.
*pulls cock out*

>> No.9168258

Opie, I have excessive happiness disorder, I'm pretty much never NOT happy and content.

>>9168250
>>9168236

>I like cocks because of genetics, it's proven by real science that liking cocks is a hereditary trait, and everyone on my dads side likes cocks.

>> No.9168267

>>9168250
Then all the women in your family must be fucking disgusting. It isn't genetic, it's environmental factors.

>> No.9168261

Work.

>> No.9168277

Fucked up brain chemistry.

>> No.9168278

Your post.

>> No.9168279

>>9168258
What argument are you making, exactly?

Some types of depression (like dysthymia) can be genetic and hereditary. Not sure if sexual orientation is the same, but a lot of people seem to think it is!

>> No.9168281

I never got a kuso thread award for any of my threads

>> No.9168286
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9168286

If you close your eyes your life, a naked truth revealed
Dreams you never dreamed, and scars never healed
In the darkness, light will take you to the other side
You'll find me waiting there
You'll see if you just close your eyes

>> No.9168291

>>9168281
I've had threads deleted by the meido and janitor, does that count?

>> No.9168294

My birth.

>> No.9168307

>>9168279

>can be genetic and hereditary

Prove it, show me ONE study that PROVES it, that proves "depression" has a exact genetic biomarker, without using a single weasel word. IE. "May indicate", "might", "may be a sign of", etc.

Because it doesn't exist, and it's just a hypothesis.

>> No.9168311

Being sad bout petty things.

>> No.9168320

>>9168307
Well I can't prove shit and I'm not him but, both my father and I were born with underdeveloped serotonin levels and our bodies can't produce the same amount as a normal happy person. We have no significant emotional reason to be depressed we're both just generally unhappy.

>> No.9168323

>>9168258
>>9168267

>Since pretty much anyone can get depressed, that must mean that genetics has absolutely NOTHING to do with it and anyone who disagrees is a pathetic whiner!

>> No.9168332

>>9168307
This is fairly straightforward to prove. Find identical twins who were separated early on, see if the depressed ones are significantly more likely to have a depressed twin than regular siblings (or non-identical twins).

They did this with personality and found that personality is largely genetic. Some of the twins had never seen each other since they were babies, but as adults they had the same tastes in decoration and stuff and it was weird.

>> No.9168336

You, when you created this shitty /r9k/ thread.

>> No.9168349

my parents

srly fuck them @_@

>> No.9168356

>>9168320

>were born with underdeveloped serotonin levels

O boy that one gets me everytime. There is not a single test on Earth that can evaluate neurotransmitters in your brain like serotonin.

How can you know if you have "underdeveloped serotonin levels", IF A PHYSICAL TEST TO CHECK FOR THAT DOESN'T EXIST.

>>9168323

It's not a silly hypothesis, it's somewhat rational,
I just absolutely hate it when people talk about it like it's a fact, or proven science.

>> No.9168364

>>9168356
Ok ``Doctor'', explain to me why I'm depressed when nothing emotionally significant has ever happened to me in life.

>> No.9168370

>>9168332

They did this.

> First-degree relatives (parents, siblings and children) of patients with major depression have been found to have a two to three times higher prevalence of major depression than their normal counterparts.

> Twin studies, which look at how frequently pairs of twins have the same trait, also provide evidence of a genetic link. Pairs of fraternal (non-identical) twins, were found to have major depression at a rate of 20%. However, with pairs of identical twins (who share the same genetic material), the rate rose to about 50%.

> Thus far, no genetic studies have identified what specific genes are associated with major depression. It is likely that major depression is a genetically complex condition involving multiple genes and possibly multiple modes of inheritance.

>> No.9168378

>>9168356
how do doctors know i dont have enough fiber

its not like they opened me up and counted the fiber ¯\(°_o)/¯

>> No.9168397

>>9168364
this might have something to do with being a pussy.

>> No.9168403

OBJECTIVE: Substantial evidence supports the heritability of lifetime major depression. Less clear is whether genetic influences in major depression are more important in women than in men and whether genetic risk factors are the same in the two sexes. It is not known whether genetic effects on major depression are constant across historical cohorts.
METHOD: Lifetime major depression was assessed at personal interview by modified DSM-IV criteria in 42,161 twins, including 15,493 complete pairs, from the national Swedish Twin Registry. Twin models were evaluated by using the program Mx.
RESULTS: Model fitting indicated that the heritability of liability to major depression was significantly higher in women (42%) than men (29%) and the genetic risk factors for major depression were moderately correlated in men and women. No significant differences were seen in the etiologic roles of genetic and environmental factors in major depression in three cohorts spanning birth years 1900–1958.
CONCLUSIONS: In the largest sample to date, lifetime major depression was moderately heritable, with estimates similar to those in prior studies. In accord with some but not other previous investigations, this study suggests both that the heritability of major depression is higher in women than in men and that some genetic risk factors for major depression are sex-specific in their effect. No evidence was found for differences in the roles of genetic and environmental risk factors in major depression in birth cohorts spanning nearly six decades.

>> No.9168417

>>9168364
>>9168364

Explain to me why I'm always happy and content even though other people look at my life and say I should be miserable?

The difference between you and me, is that I'm not willing to call my personality traits, emotions, and behaviors, a neurological disease with no proof to back that up.

>>9168378

Incredibly stupid analogy.

>>9168370

Who gets to decide what qualifies as "major depression"?

>> No.9168418

Some people are just shit. That's why they have to use genetics as an excuse.

Oh you weigh 500lbs but are fit and don't eat any junk and only eat like 200 calories per day? Oh well it's obviously a glandular and genetic problem. It's hereditary. Don't worry about it, just ride to the nearest McDonalds in your motorized chair.

You're depressed? Oh it must be your genetics. Because my family got depressed sometimes too. Better go to the doctor and get a drug regimen to help fix my brain problems.

>> No.9168420

I don't have depression.

>> No.9168423

Constant failure for the past three years.

>> No.9168429

>>9168418
I feel like the point where you are seriously trying to argue that genetics are not meaningful in these situations is the point where you should stop.

>> No.9168430

>>9168417
I never whined and blamed my depression on problems, I actually received a diagnosis from someone with over 8 years in psychology experience.

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>>9168429
They aren't. Organisms aren't born with depression. It's something they have to learn. Coming out of depression is something you have to learn too. It has nothing to do with inherited levels of brain chemicals. Deal with it.

>> No.9168441

>>9168403

>DSM-IV criteria

Ya fucking blew it.

They can diagnose ANYONE they want with "major depression", based off some stupid questionnaires, and the "patient" saying they're lethargic and sad.

There is no such thing as a physical test for "major depression", so basically, it's "diagnosed" solely based off some guys ARBITRARY opinion of your personality traits, emotions, and behaviors.

It would be diffferent if there was physical tests for "major depression", it would be different if you could VERIFY whether or not someone "has it" with a physical test, but you can't, so those studies don't mean shit.

>> No.9168447

>>9168437
You should go back to /a/ with your ageru and reaction image.jpg, kiddo.

>> No.9168450

>>9168430

Cool, you got "diagnosed" by some guy who studied a baseless pseudoscience for 8 years?

Awesome.

>> No.9168452

>>9168437
Nice picture, faggot.

>> No.9168453

>>9168447
>kiddo
That's the 3rd time today that I've seen someone say this unironically.

Are you sure that it isn't you that needs to go to /a/?

>> No.9168455

>>9168450
I also receive free medication and 20% of my previous income a month for life because of it.

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>>9168453

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>>9168455
>i'm a parasite on society and steal free money because i lied about how i feel to a nice doctor that i had to go and visit. i told her about how i feel like bawson and sometimes cut myself and she projected her compassion on to me and wrote me a note that lets me get free money and told me that its okay if my dad got depression because environmental and socioeconomic factors are completely irrelevant when it comes to mental health, and its much better to blame it on genetics

>> No.9168490

>>9168441
It's not arbitrary though. Psychologists don't sit around doing nothing then make up some common sense bullshit. They identify disorders (look up the meaning of the word if it bothers you), then there are a lot of studies, followed by factor analysis and a lot of debate to get a general set of criteria.

I'm guessing you're also >>9168450, and even if you're trolling it's sad that people think this. Actually pick up a textbook. I recommend Psychology Applied to Modern Life, it's accessible and aimed at undergraduates. Hopefully you can get out of the same trap that leads people to say, "Math is useless!" or, "Philosophy isn't worthwhile at all!"

>> No.9168493

>>9168481
Try again, kid. It's from the Veteran's Assistance fund which is not government funded.

>> No.9168495

>>9168441
You're right, we don't live in the year 3000.

Get over it, nerd.

>> No.9168500

>>9168481
who are you quoting?

>> No.9168524

>>9168493
>i'm a military veteran and got them to diagnose that i feel sad sometimes and now they told the government for me i get to steal from people, its pretty cool, i can collect girls toys, even though i served in the armed forces and it taught me to not be sad, but some guy who doesn't even work for the government told me that its probably genetic or something *shrugs* so idk man

Kill yourself.

>> No.9168533

>>9168524
I actually went to mental health because I had memory problems, they ended up saying it was a result from depression mixed with anxiety. Also the doctor was a Major so he was military.

>> No.9168551

>>9168524

Why are you so angry?

>> No.9168554

>>9168533
In before that fag says you're a pussy for having mental problems too.

>> No.9168565

high school

I had atopic..oh never mind. Bottom line is, I was fat, and my skin was rotting with puss. Every time someone looked at me, they couldn't hide their disgust. They took turns on insulting me.
depressing

>> No.9168593

>>9168554
No, that's the point. Mental health is something that everybody can relate to. Blaming being sad on genetics is absurd.

He ever said here >>9168533 that he had memory problems. That is true, depression and stress can cause concentration and memory problems. But since when does that mean that your depression is genetic? Most people would probably report those things after having depression.

>> No.9168601

>>9168565
Why are kids so barbaric? Fucking apes.

>> No.9168609

>>9168593
Not everyone is saying all depression is genetic. We're saying *some* depression *can* be genetic, and even hereditary.

If you prefer, the _cause_ of depression can be genetic (whether it turns out to be a genome or some chemical deficiency or even just a personality trait, we'll have to wait and see).

>> No.9168612

>>9168593
I say it's genetic for a lack of better reasoning, I'd like for you to tell me why I would be depressed when I've never experienced loss, heartbreak or social ostracism.

>> No.9168657 [DELETED] 

>>9168481

I don't steal anything and I never lied to my psychiatrist. Society owes me for the hell they put me through. I don't steal anything.

>> No.9168688

the what ifs of if I were successful

>> No.9168691

>>9168593

You falsely assume that happiness and contentment is the natural state of a person's mind. You don't know that and you can't prove it.

>> No.9168701

>>9168601
yeah and then, imagine, they thought they are some friends of mine

AHAHAHAHA I couldn't go outside, look in the fucking mirror MONTHS after I wasn't fat and rotting anymore, and they thought we are some sort of friends

hahahahahahahaha well, i was so broken that I did act nice to them in fear of rejection to the end of high school but there is NO FUCKING WAY I'd ever call them my friends

and I totally don't have a hysteria attack now

>> No.9168717

>>9168691
You falsely assume that I believe that happiness and contentment are natural. They do come naturally, though. You are born and know everything you need to know to live. Then you learn everything to make you happy in the first part of your life.

>>9168612
There are countless reasons people can be depressed. Apart from resign yourself to 'staying depressed' and presumably taking medication for it, is there anything that you've tried to do about it? Have you looked at hobbies? Meditation? Exercise?

Bronies are often depressed until they watch MLP and then they become huge obnoxious faggots. Why not download an episode? Not even trolling or anything.

>> No.9168728

I'm reading a book now where this cytologist argues that genes don't mean shit and people and cells are shaped by how they respond to environment or something

>> No.9168738

>>9168717
I tried watching MLP once a few years back, it was a kid's show and nothing more. The only thing that I could say has made me happy in the last few years was watching Hidamari Sketch. I typically watch a random episode whenever I'm cripplingly depressed but most of the time I'm functional but generally unhappy.

>> No.9168784

>>9168728
Similar in concept to quantum energy and atoms. Where, if we take that atoms are made of energy, and we are made of atoms, then we are energy and we can shape the things around us with our will. There is also research in to water molecules, and how they react to stimuli, from visual cues to music and even prayers.

>> No.9168790

>>9168229
Failing high school classes because I didn't do anything oral or teamwork, while retards who didn't do work passed by sucking dick.

I went to some shithole Catholic school since we moved. The public middle school I went to was 3 times bigger and was very well funded.

>> No.9168802

I came to experience true happiness once. Everything that happened since then just pales in ccomparison.

>> No.9168814

>>9168802
Opiates?

>> No.9168822

My depression was caused by niggers making rk9 blog threads and not even having the decency to use a 2hu pic for them. At least use vomit chan, motherfucker

>> No.9168826

>>9168802
When SA was released?

>> No.9168847

>>9168814
Love.
And don't crucify me for this. I know very well that it was just an illusion, but it was one I could believe in.

>> No.9168865
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>>9168826
that nostalgia man

>> No.9168866

>>9168847
Oh but love is very possible. You only have to lose one dimenson~

>> No.9168883

>>9168802
I know how you feel. It's terrible if you're neurotic and pessimistic, because then you're finally happy and everything's going so well and then it just dies and your former, anxious self was completely correct all along.

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>>9168847
Love isn't an illusion. I'm really happy for you, Anon-kun. Love can physically change who you are, too. I hope that one day you can find love again~

>> No.9168888

>>9168865
I really hope that wasn't what he meant.

>> No.9168920

>>9168888
No, I think that he's sticking around after the rest of his GW2 retard buddies left for /vg/ again. I honestly don't think that he was being ironic.

>> No.9168960

>>9168883
The funny thing is that I wasn't always like this. More like my life conditioned me to expect the worst, at any given time. You can't enjoy anything like this.

>>9168886
Let's hope together.
I wish happiness was possible for everyone. I don't get why it has to be so fucking hard.

>> No.9168984

>>9168920
Rest assured I meant when Subterranean Animism came out, I am not in anyway related to those /v/ sub-humans.

>> No.9168993

>>9168960
Don't you see that this life is just a learning experience? You'll get to use all your aquired knowledge after your death.
Then it will be your turn to create a better world.

>> No.9169007

24/7 chronic pain that can range from uncomfortable to agonizing.

>> No.9169054

>>9168984
I meant the guy posting the Chen picture. If that wasn't you, then relax~

>Animism
You mean autism, right?

>>9168960
From my perspective, people become less happy as more things complicate their lives. People living amazingly simple lives, like those in rural parts of the world, i.e. Vietnam, India, and so on, all seem to be content with themselves. Their lives consist of waking up, working, eating, sleeping, socializing and generally being happy. Where as what we call 'first world problems' seem to make people miserable.

People worry about their appearance, their job, their social status, their money, their twitter, their facebook, their plans to get drunk at the weekend, their STI that they caught from a stranger that they passed on to their partner.

Maybe that's why people on /jp/ enjoy taking it easy without worrying about extra drama from the outside world. But on the other hand, personally I don't believe that material possessions can bring happiness, so I don't relate to anyone who collects figs, and fumos, etc, except that they can look cute.

Do you think that you could be happy without finding someone who loves you?

>> No.9169101

>>9168229
i'm bipolar, but whatever. i'm mostly having depressive and mixed states though, and am generally dissatisfied with life if that's what you meant so i guess i count.
anyway, it's a combination of different factors. like, say, in pretty much every case of a mood disorder. there's no way for me to pinpoint an exact cause.
anyway, if i really had to blame something for my general shitty mental health/quality of life now it would be assburgers and gender dysphoria. but they're pretty much a part of my personality, so it goes without saying.

>> No.9169133

>>9169054
>Do you think that you could be happy without finding someone who loves you?
I don't know. It was really the only time in my life where I felt alive. Everything that happened before or afterwards I classify as "struggling without any payoff" in my mind.
I see the danger that lies in thinking this way, but I see no way to stop it.

I guess my biggest problem is that I have a hard time determining what I actually believe (anymore). I blame that on going to therapy for too long.

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>>9169133
Aborigines go walkabout when they need to find themselves. It's quite romantic to think about, but not very practical in a modern society if you have ties and responsibilities. Have you tried spending more time with yourself away from distractions? Try some new hobbies, do new things, etc. What about meditation?

An exercise that might help you is writing a list of all your traits. On one side of the paper, write the positive aspects of your personality, and on the other write all the negative ones. If you are honest with yourself and work on any self esteem issues you might have, you could be pleasantly surprised and look at yourself in a new light.

For example, you may discover that you see yourself as cynical, but while writing more traits down, you may discover an underlying cause of it. I did this once and I was pleased when I saw that the positive list was much larger than the negative list.

What you believe and what you want out of life may make sense to you if you try something different.

>> No.9169179

>>9169133
>I guess my biggest problem is that I have a hard time determining what I actually believe (anymore). I blame that on going to therapy for too long.

This so fucking much. I can't tell what is me, my therapist, me-thinking-what-I'm-supposed-to-want or the meds.
It's really scary to think how easy you can lose yourself, how fragile our personality really is.

>> No.9169282

>>9169133
My advice would be to read this >8597722 post, if you're concerned with therapy and meds.

Otherwise I would just advice you to _do_ stuff and try to stop thinking too much. It actually helped me a lot. Whenever I catch myself thinking the same old negative thoughts I go "Fuck that" in my mind and think about touhou or whatever.
I know this is basically promoting an air head mentality, but whatever works can't be that bad.

>> No.9169328

I'm ugly and can't get over this fact.

>> No.9169336

>>9169282
Nice link.

>>9169179
>>9169133
>No such thing happened. I went from resignation to acceptance to peace. I realized that all the struggles and all the pain I have been going through came from me fighting my own nature. It was just the way I am. Nothing to be changed about it.

>I'm now enjoying Anime/Manga/VNs during the day and working a night job with the bare minimum of of social contact. No friends. Life is simple. I'm happy.

Basically what I was talking about
>Life is simple. I'm happy.

Try what he said if you can relate to it any more than what I said.

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Had it since middle school. Got worse a few years ago. Got worse again a few weeks ago.

But that's life. I'll live my life as best I can and when it's time I'll welcome death with open arms.

>> No.9170027

>>9168229
Subconsiously realising that I'm only drawn to emotionaly vulnerable people, that are easily charmed to fall for me, so I'll feel appreciated.

I realised it a while ago, but I'm still depressed, harhar.

>> No.9170043

>>9169328
Fix your ugliness. Nobody cares about the face if everything else is in order.

>> No.9170046

'im dumb

>> No.9170074

>>9170043
they do.
also, there are things you can't fix.

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