/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447

It's time.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I doing something conceptually wrong here? I come out of a chi/pon with 2 tiles remaining that are the same (5 numbers) and the game continues to tell me to discard.

[Man-Pedo !r9.w91chTo No.]

>>9157457
If you are spamming Chi/Pon you probably have no yaku. In which case you cannot Ron. I recommend reading mahjong rules and hands, but I don't have links for mahjong guides, so google it.

>>9157340
come get some

[Anonymous No.]

We really could use two or more players.

[Anonymous No.]

Need more people. Get in here.

[Anonymous No.]

>he thinks /jp/ does japanese things

This place was made to flush touhoufags and Finns out of /a/, it's like when they made a south american Gunbound server to get rid of brazilians.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9157621
No precedents for popular mahjong threads, nosir.

[Anonymous No.]

one more

[Anonymous No.]

Two more for a third game!

[Anonymous No.]

Quite a few people playing today. How come?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9158403
Because Saki.

[Anonymous No.]

Prepare your anus soap.
I am coming for you.

[-Kuroko- No.]

I'm in, i'm losing a lot lately, I want revenge

[aneisf !!0MEI/Dc6cPC No.]

>>9158621
yoroshiku!

[-Kuroko- No.]

I had a comeback in my hands, too bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>9158591
I'd like to see you try, punk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9158935
I am in.
You better prepare some tissues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9159243
Damn it, I'm playing something now. Is your name on IRC still the same as it was before? I'll contact you there when my body is ready instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9159385
yup.
You are sen-tan right? I am done for today, see you tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9159409
I haven't played you at all today, if that's what you meant. I usually play as mugiface on 7447. ;_;

Tomorrow you'll get it.

[Anonymous No.]

1 yaku away...

[Anonymous No.]

>>9159668
You almost got a damn suu an kou anyway, man.

[aneisf !!0MEI/Dc6cPC No.]

>>9159668
that was pretty silly

[Anonymous No.]

Why am I not in a wait for 6 or 8 of numbers? Is it yaku?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9160183
Cause you're in furiten, dingus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9160183
you don't have any yaku and you're in furiten

[Anonymous No.]

>>9160209

What's a "dingus"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9160214
know any decent sites for learning yaku stuff? I seem to have a decent handle on everything else.

[aneisf !!0MEI/Dc6cPC No.]

>>9160267
i've just been looking at general strategy articles and learning yaku as they are mentioned. a good start is to learn chiitoitsu, pinfu, riichi, tanyao, yakuhai, chanta, and hon itsu.

i've been playing for about 2 days and it's pretty overwhelming still but a lot of fun.

[aneisf !!0MEI/Dc6cPC No.]

>>9160267
>>9160291
also, janryumon mobile has a great tutorial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9160183
-789m
-888p
Someone post the Akagi Yasuoka face for this dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9160183
>/a/
>/r9k/

[Anonymous No.]

How would you guys feel about a 4chan-wide mahjong tournament?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9160267

http://arcturus.su/tenhou/scorequiz/yaku.html

Time to do some drills

[Anonymous No.]

>>9160464

Prepare your anus

[Sony No.]

Why is /jp/ so terrible?

I haven't played in 4 years and I still won against you scrubs while playing TF2 in the background.

[Anonymous No.]

>06/11 | 牌譜 | 般南喰赤 | http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2012061113gm-0009-7447-8e863b66&tw=0
> 1位 NoName(+46.0) Koromoe~(-14.0) 小龍(+16.0) 夢想天衣無縫(-48.0)
Are any of you guys here? I'm the NoName. I really enjoyed that match, there was a lot more pressure than when I play against /a/.

[蒲原智美 !WAhAHaDISc No.]

>>9160267

You could have wiki'd it.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Mahjong_yaku

[Anonymous No.]

>>9160183

>Those tabs

Anon, your friends here at /jp/ have become concerned with your tab habits, and we think it may be time you close a few of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9160464
Been there done that.
http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/3402451
Remember the bots accusation and butthurt?
Good times.

[Anonymous No.]

where is the op teru picture from? I rewatched the animu looking for it and never saw it. was it from a promotional image or something?

[Anonymous No.]

Anybody know a good site to play Chinese mahjong online?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161412

Chinese style? Shit, I honestly don't know. Most video games come from Japan, so naturally, there are very VERY few of them out there that actually play the ruleset. You would genuinely have better and faster luck looking for real chinese people to play with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161412
yahoo.com
most room have 3/5han limit.
ie you have to make honitsu most of the time.
No idea why anyone want to play chinese mahjong.
I am a chinese and I hate playing 3p chinese mahjong and 4p hk style mahjong with the aunties and grandma near me.
riichii mahjong is much more superior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161420
How hard would it be to try and pick up one if you know how to play the other? I don't actually play either myself, there's a long story I won't bore you with about why I'm asking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161425
Ah, thanks for the tip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161426
Both chinese and riichii mahjong has basically the same yakuman. The difference lies in shit like doras and certain stuff like iipeikou/kan.
Chinese mahjong has no dora. Instead you get flowers and animals. These are your dora.
When you kan, you get paid straight away. When you play, you set the house rules for payment.
As an example maybe 1han = 50cent, each kan = 50cent.

No yaku in chinese mahjong, people usually set the han limit. So you can win with anything as long as you have enough flowers and animals in your hand.

[Anonymous No.]

why is american mahjong so weird? I told my mother I play this online and she said I could play with the old jew ladies she used to work with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161426

It depends. There's like a gorillian different versions of Chinese style, but most have the same basic rules, minus a few differences. However, like the No.9161433 anon said, no dora tiles, no dead wall, more "points" to be earned, etc. And the Flowers and Season tiles work like the North from 3player. Also, I'm interested in this story.


>>9161436

American Mahjongg is a crock of shit. It's basically Mahjong combined with cribbage and hearts. And instead of knowing hands like poker hands, you have to buy a card every single year that has the year's legal hand combinations.

And they tell you how to make them down to a tee. Like, they specifically go out of their way to say "Okay, this hand needs four 1 bamboos, and four 2 pins.", etc, etc. The card is like $8, and again, you have to buy one every year, cause they change that shit up to pray on old ladies.

Also, I hate american sets cause the tiles have a weird thickness that's hard to lift, and it always comes with these stupid racks that jack the price up by $60. Seriously, buddy. Stay far away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161425
>>9161433
Ah, thank you both for the information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161456
Anyway, I found the ruleset from google.
I play with these 2rules in real life. It is kind of sad that I cant find real people to play riichii with.
http://www.sloperama.com/mjfaq/mjfaq17.htm
http://www.sloperama.com/mahjongg/malaysian.html

Stick with riichii, it is much better. It is not luck dependent like hk/chinese style. Most of the time it depends on whether you get to draw flowers/animals or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161453
Someone older I know had a stroke a few years back which did a bit of damage, so he lost his job and pretty much stays at home all day now. He used to one of the better Chinese mahjong players when he was in university a long time ago, and I'm looking to see if there's a place where he can play online, something to do and all.

As for myself, my knowledge of mahjong is limited to being loosely familiar with the rules and reading some manga and stuff like that. So not much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161478

I wish him well then. If he's a relative, you should also consider sitting down and playing with him as well. It depends on how close you've known him, but the company could do wonders for his health.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161453
Someone older I know had a stroke a few years back which did a bit of damage, so he lost his job and pretty much stays at home all day now. He used to one of the better Chinese mahjong players when he was in university a long time ago, and I'm looking to see if there's a place where he can play online, something to do and all.

As for myself, my knowledge of mahjong is limited to being loosely familiar with the rules and reading some manga and stuff like that. So not much.

>>9161473
I was thinking about starting to play, guess I know which style to pick up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161480
Ah, well, we need two more for that, but I should probably spend more time with him and all. I guess since there's not really a shortage of Chinese people around here so I'll see if I can't find a playgroup.

[Anonymous No.]

can someone explain why they said in saki that everyone only making sequences would make it harder for saki to get kans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161506

It's an occult thing. They believe that if you discard tiles that make pairs from your own hand, it changes the luck of the tiles so that it's easier to make sequences. You can also do the reverse, discard only tiles that are part of sequences, and never take apart a pair to create a Triplet lucky streak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161509
that sounds dumb even for saki

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161506
A kan, being four of a kind, effectively walls off the possibility of other players making sequences with those tiles. By the same reasoning, making sequences prevents others from calling open kans, though you can't really do anything about closed kans.

I was watching a Shin Janki movie, and there was a bit where a guy says something about using this method to alter the flow of the game with your discards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161526

It's Occult vs. Digital. Digital believes only in hard, cold, statistics. Occult believes in "the flow of luck" or "Nagare". It's why in Akagi or Ten, you'll see them talking about how they lost once, so the flow wasn't in their favor, and now they have super shitty draws.

[Anonymous No.]

Goddamm.
It is like I am playing with a bunch of Kuros.
I end up 3rd when I didnt even deal in once.

[BiriBiri No.]

Ah fuck, I was on top for a few minutes. ;_;

[Akumen No.]

That 7 sou was so painful draw, I knew it would be called. Really couldn't tear down my hand either since I was in fourth place in the last round.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161696
>>9161708

[BiriBiri No.]

>>9161717
It was my first game!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161718
I won my first game and decided I had mastered the game. Never played since.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161749
Damn son, that's a 100% win rate.

[BiriBiri No.]

Phew, I was spared of last place at the last second.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9161838
Thanks for giving me the win.

[BiriBiri No.]

Woot, got lucky.

[Akatsukin No.]

Didn't win a single hand... It's because I got distracted and dealt into that obvious mangan in the east round.

[Anonymous No.]

You really should never discard a dora after a riichi. But after two riichi in a row, in orasu and when you're not even iishanten yet ? You had a better chance just hoping the 3rd guy would get ron.

Work a bit on your defense and you'll get much better in no time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9162452
Although you were iishanten actually, my mistake.

[aneisf !!0MEI/Dc6cPC No.]

>>9162452
i made a lot of silly mistakes the last few games. i'm learning a lot though!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9162452
>>9162467
>dora
>riichi
>orasu
>iishanten
>ron
Speak English dude, this is not a Japanese imageboard.

[Akatsukin No.]

>>9162524
Stop that, it's important to learn the actual words. The only one that might be a bit much is orasu, which is easily changed to last round.

[aneisf !!0MEI/Dc6cPC No.]

>>9162618
i most often just see 'all last' written in english. whatever though, i think we all understand it just fine since we have to read it that way in tenhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9162524
There aren't english equivalents for some of those.
Might as well learn the Japanese instead of making up english words.

[Anonymous No.]

13人

noone queuing ;__:

[Anonymous No.]

buttpawned ippatsu yakuman

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163074
Here I was thinking that I've finally managed a comeback with two Hanemans after getting shitty hands during for the most part in the first few rounds
>Haku, Dora 7, Dealer Baiman 24000www
Got a great starting hand the next round and figured I can still manage
>Riichi, Ippatsu, Tsumo, Suanko, Dealer Yakuman 48000

[Anonymous No.]

How do you spectate an ongoing match?

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else live near or in the Netherlands? I'd like to try participating in a riichi mahjong tournament at least once but not alone, and the only ones I keep hearing of are over there, other than Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

What's with the sudden interest in mahjong again?

I thought you nerds grew out of it ages ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163774
On 0000, it's the 3rd tab and on 7447 it's the 2nd tab (観戦)

>>9163813
Do you live in the Netherlands ? I've been to a riichi tournament there once before and it was all good. Even if you have a bit of social anxiety, it's ok so long as you can make your calls. Also there are tournaments a bit everywhere in Europe, see http://mahjong-europe.org/ranking/Calendar.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163813
I live in the Netherlands, and it's not as bad as you think. Unless you're afraid of wrinkles you'll be fine.

>>9163831
>I thought you nerds grew out of it ages ago.
Wrong, ass face gay lord.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163833
Decided to spectate /jp/pro and watched him switch up his hand right before his winning tile was put out, then he lost to the dude who threw out his winning tile.

It's fun to watch other people get fucked over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163843
Asshole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163858
Hello Squidy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163858
Say that again, I dare you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163813
I do but I hate my fellow countrymen too much to participate.

[Anonymous No.]

>watch a few games
>/jp/pro
>gets his squishy boypussy caved in every game

[Anonymous No.]

GOOD GAME
NICE 7PIN

[Anonymous No.]

WHY

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163908
I know what you mean. There's very few Dutch people I can tolerate. It doesn't help that I hate speaking the language either, so the few I do like speak English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163926

Riiching on Kokushi? You deserved it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163926
>Hell wait on 1s for Kokushi Musou
>Riichi

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163952

There are two things in this world that I can't stand.

People who are intolerant of other people's cultures. . .and the dutch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163956
>>9163960
Haha, you're right. That was pretty retarded. I just got too excited.

[Sony No.]

Had three 12000 hands that all lost to some shitty 1000 hand.

I hate this game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163956
>>9163960

Riichi on kokushi isn't always a bad thing. He wouldn't be changing his hand anyway and it can be used to throw people off. With his discards, however, it was pretty obvious that he was going for kokushi, or at least some form of chanta.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9164070
No, it looks like he had pretty lucky draws, and he also discarded close to the terminals, but not a single 4, 5, or 6. It seems a bit hard to read, but he still shouldn't have riichi'd there, I think.

[Anonymous No.]

Great way to end a game.
Was going for suuankou first but got scared.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9163920
No one can win every game, no matter how good he/she is.

[Sony No.]

>>9164326
You've clearly never watched Akagi.

Learn to play, nerdmaster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9164352
Yes I have, are you implying a mere human such as myself could ever reach Akagi's level?
Just now, 1st place was only grasped from me because 4th got a bullshit yakuman.

[Anonymous No.]

Thank you for those that played this match.

Didn't win any hands all game and came back with a kazoe yakuman and it felt great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9164396

Yeah, so you had to post this on /a/ and /jp/, huh? Congrats again. Next time I'll have my revenge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9164453
Ah, after my post someone linked this thread. And since I did notice that there was /jp/anon playing they might not have seen the other thread and would like to thank them for the match.
Didn't exactly have malintent.

[Ragu No.]

I'm proud of myself

[Akatsukin No.]

gg everyone. But NoName, why did you give up that hand when you had all those terminals and honors? It's rare to start with that many, so you should go for kokushi musou.

[Anonymous No.]

>放銃率 .032
Pretty good day for me today
The last ittsu was odd though, you'd think that he'd be aiming for more than 2000 points considering it was S4 and he was in third

[Anonymous No.]

I think only an /a/ scrub can destroy such a beautiful hand with such scrub move.

[Anonymous No.]

Is /jp/ the only board still playing tenhou?

[aneisf !!0MEI/Dc6cPC No.]

>>9165219
/a/ plays too whenever a saki thread comes up

[Anonymous No.]

>>9165225
Ew.....

Saki is terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9165245
Get out, DES.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9165219
/jp/ is the only board autistic enough to play this shitty game.

You know a game is shit when luck is the greatest factor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9165360
What's autistic about a game where the sole purpose is to get dubs, trips, and quads?

[Biribiri No.]

KANBARAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

>>9165360
>luck is the greatest factor
The best game are always 50% luck 50% skill.
This is why chess is so shitty.

[蒲原智美 !WAhAHaDISc No.]

>>916543

ワハハ

[蒲原智美 !WAhAHaDISc No.]

>>9165430

ワハハ

[Anonymous No.]

>>9165440
More like 10% luck and 90% skill.

The only exception is Risk, and even that is only maybe 25% luck since you roll the dice so many times that the law of averages kicks in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9165360
You guys should have match with /u/ and /a/ someday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9165506
>and even that is only maybe 25% luck since you roll the dice so many times that the law of averages kicks in.
>the law of averages kicks in
yeah man and then the flow of the game picks up

[Anonymous No.]

Me after a few rounds.

[Anonymous No.]

http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447

Get in.

[Anonymous No.]

Impressive, Kanbara. Holding onto all those winning tiles.

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>9165595
How does it feel to not have graduated high school?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9165506
Isnt it the same thing for mahjong?
The more hanchan that you play the more luck even out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166277
That's why he's saying that mahjong takes skill.

[Anonymous No.]

Not bad. Most of the time someone finishes up before me.

[Anonymous No.]

Post dem Tenhou stats. Explanation here http://www.osamuko.com/sex/

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166277
No, because when you're rolling dice you can't not get a six, which is pretty much what happens if someone happens to be using the tile(s) or if it/ they never come into play. You're shit out of luck and there's no definite way of knowing it and therefore "skill" is pretty much useless unless you have a six sense like Akagi, or you're a skilled cheater.

The only way the law of averages would apply to mahjong is if you played so many rounds per game that every possible hand became available to you, which is obviously impossible. Each individual game is highly dependent on random chance and how good your starting hands are, though your record across several games would be shaped by skill if you played enough games. I personally find it incredibly buttfrustrating to get wrecked in a game by a complete beginner due to nothing but luck so I don't even bother playing anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166349
>I personally find it incredibly buttfrustrating to get wrecked in a game by a complete beginner due to nothing but luck so I don't even bother playing anymore.
This is why I mostly play 3P, a true man's game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166325
That's a really low open hand rate. Defense is good but I'd rather try for first place at the risk of falling 3rd when I'm 2nd.

>>9166349
You might be unlucky with your draws sometimes, but you won't get "wrecked" unless you deal in, which is just bad decision making.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166359
Please don't respond to me.

Nerd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166368
What if I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166371
Obviously I'll beat the shit out of you.

[Anonymous No.]

Does beato, AoA, Kana, KoG, Akagi still play on 7447?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166374
I'd like to see you try, virgin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166382
Don't test me, kid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166376
Only beato seems to.

See http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ranking/ to check a player's activity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166362
It's not just defence. I know a lot of people say this, but I find it more fun to aim for bigger hands. I feel like it takes more skill to choose the right tiles to cut to get big hands, or to choose when to switch to defence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166387
Fine, do you at least want to play?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166396
No.

Now step the fuck off. I drive a Dodge Stratus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166403
I don't know what that is, but you first, butt man.

[Anonymous No.]

NERD FIGHT!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166412
>I don't know what that is

How autistic are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166422
Autistic enough to beat you up with retard strength.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166403

Do you even know where that is from? And no, it's not from that joke translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166395
I was only mentioning this since that's how you used to play, but it's just not viable anymore when you're against 3 players who'll do anything it takes to be the winner.

I also believe it takes even more skill to dodge everyone's waits while building your hand around them. It's hard enough that you usually can't do it with a closed hand, as you may have to discard already completed melds nad make up for it by calling.

Why are you playing as NoName by the way ? Tenhou's point system is harsh enough that it makes a decent substitute to playing for money. Of course it doesn't apply to 7447, but playing when you have something to lose is usually more fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166395
I was only mentioning this since that's how I used to play, but it's just not viable anymore when you're against 3 players who'll do anything it takes to be the winner.

I also believe it takes even more skill to dodge everyone's waits while building your hand around them. It's hard enough that you usually can't do it with a closed hand, as you may have to discard already completed melds nad make up for it by calling.

Why are you playing as NoName by the way ? Tenhou's point system is harsh enough that it makes a decent substitute to playing for money. Of course it doesn't apply to 7447, but playing when you have something to lose is usually more fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166362
>>9166325
Get on my level.
100% win rate here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166465
At some point I just kept making new accounts on Tenhou while aiming for R2000 as fast as possible. I never broke R1980 but I remember getting 8 1st place in a row in 0000 for an account first's matches once. Fun times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166459
Yeah, you're probably right. I've only ever played at an amateur level, so maybe my style is only good enough to beat scrubs.

Building hands while dodging waits may be a skill I don't have yet. Osamuko says to attack or defend 100%, without halfassing it, so I usually just do that. I think it's fairly dependent on luck, though - sometimes my hand will continue to progress on its own, even if I break up my completed sets. Other times I'll just have no safe tiles whatsoever.

I used to play with an ID, but I was much worse back then and didn't like losing so I stopped. Besides, as a NoName, people don't know what to expect from me. I think I'll register a new ID soon, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166483
Make sure you choose a good name.
I dont believe in occult at first but I have been on a huge losing streak since i lost my account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166668
I was thinking of something like 宇宙赤木.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>9166727
what?
You are still losing.

[Anonymous No.]

why does everyone act like losing is ok as long as you don't get last? your goal should be ending with a positive score so you don't lose hypothetical money.

[aneisf !!0MEI/Dc6cPC No.]

>>9168024
>money
no

[Anonymous No.]

Goddamit ura dora, just when I really should avoid compiling a high cost hand, you pop up and end everything.

[Anonymous No.]

Why wont she quit?

[Anonymous No.]

Wake up, /a/'s in 7447.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9168024
The way Tenhou works in the ranking lobby, you only lose points if you finish 4th. The penalty is huge and that's fine, but the point repartition is a bit weird in my opinion.

For instance if you're 5th dan you get +75/+30/0/-105 for 1st/2nd/3rd/4th place respectively. That means a behavior of 42% 2nd place and 58% 3rd place will let you go up fast but a behavior of 58% first place and 42% 4th place will make you go down. It gets worse at 6th dan where the average is supposed to be negative.

In the end the best outcome is doing a lot of 2nd/3rd places and I find that a bit silly. Also, even if you're playing for money, the "uma" rules (penalty/bonus based on your position), make it worth it to go from 4th to 3rd even if the difference is 100 points.

[Anonymous No.]

Bump for 3P.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9171429
that sounds dumb. why not have your rating be based on the score?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9172529

That might work out. Have everyone start at 100, and the score you get at the end of the game is added onto that, and if you go below zero, the Yakuza come to your house and break all your fingers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9172529
The rating (R1500, etc.) is based solely on your score and the ratings of who you play against. It's a form of ELO rating I think, the exact formula is on arcturus.

What's a bit weird is the point system which is used to get higher ranks (kyuu, dan) and access the higher "rooms" where everyone has a least a given rank.

[Anonymous No.]

>2:0

[Anonymous No.]

>>9172845
>3p

[Anonymous No.]

>>9172848
Still hating on 3p? That is so 2008. Go back to bed grandpa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9173093
3p is sex with three men.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9173197
>not wanting to have sex with three men
>/jp/
Get out of /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

Weird, my hands started to get better when I stopped giving a fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>0:8 in 4P
>0:0 in 3P
When will /jp/ start playing again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9173326
When the others come back from Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

qqd for real mahjong

[Anonymous No.]

Whenever I scroll down the page I keep thinking the pic says "le mahjong face".

[Anonymous No.]

>>9173093
>sample-

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else play with one eye closed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9173350
I thought I was the only one.

[Anonymous No.]

One more for 4p.

[Chen No.]

First won session.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9173435
Are there any boys in the world of touhous?

[Anonymous No.]

Best hand so far. Need more improvements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9174694
i was spectating this game.
i wanted to facepalm so many times

[Anonymous No.]

>>9174700

I pretty much started learning mahjong. I mainly focused on building hands that had a higher possibility of winning within my knowledge. All constructive criticisms and tips are surely welcome. It's the first time that I won, my lose to win rate is ridiculously unbalanced. Let me enjoy a bit the taste of victory /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9173454
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

qqd for everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>9175105
>qqd
what does this even mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9175153
queued. Come play

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/a/67149949
Code is animu.

[Anonymous No.]

I lost the flow the second game; once I start losing I keep losing until the next game. Occult shit sucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>9174700
>>9174768

I doubt he's even referring to you. I lost also quite a lot as well, we have a couple of strong players here around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9175044
It's so I can open it when I need to start winning. If I keep it open all the time I will lose the flow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9173454
Dream on. You are not kyaputen.

[Anonymous No.]

The past two nights I've looked into how to play, and have been playing around on http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html . I'm trying to learn different yaku by reading my chart full of them and trying to get specific ones. Even though I always fail, it still makes me remember them. Though I don't end up learning the names... I just know that a certain "thing" is a yaku...

I've only played a bit so far and I notice I sit there for a long time just thinking about what I should do. But in videos I see of gameplay, it's as if every player is constantly aware of everything and the tiles just fly by. Am I a complete moron, or does everyone start off slow?

Though I've only ever won one hand so far, it's fun. Twice I've tried to go out but discovered I misread the conditions for a yaku. I love the feeling of waiting on just one tile, hoping it comes up. I can practically here tense music in my head.

[Anonymous No.]

Boss fight hell yeah!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9176388
Usually the pros are just following the "efficiant tile discard" path to make a quick hand. They only deviate from this when they see a potential high-value yaku, and rely on dora, tanyao, and riichi hands. It's okay if you're still learning though. You have to learn the hands like they're the back of your. . .uh. . .hand. . .first, then you can start discarding lightning fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9176388
Nah, as you get more experienced you'll be able to make decisions much quicker. If you just focus on your own hand, it's a simple exercise in efficiency. Taking other players' hands into account is where it starts getting difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9176388
You are a complete moron.
Tile efficiency is just discarding useless tile to make the fastest hand that you count.
Even a baby can know the quickest way to complete a set of dubs, trips and quads.
5secs is more than enough. I know idea why people are playing slow mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9176420
ur just jelly of his dubz

[Anonymous No.]

>>9176420
At some point you should know before you draw every tile that would improve your hand. This way you never really have to think unless something really tricky comes up. Also if you know there's no tile you would call on, check 鳴かない in the bottom right, it will save erveryone's time (assuming Tenhou).

[Anonymous No.]

What are the cases when you should not declare riichi ?

[Anonymous No.]

Don't bump the thread if nobody is playing you fucking nerd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9176771

I'll play then. Just to shut your ass up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9176797
Count me in, that fucker thinks he runs this place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9176771
I'm trying to learn you necktard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9176797
>>9176819
Queue on the fucking 2:0..
Only 3 of us anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>2:0

[Anonymous No.]

Terrible play.

Gotta give my hats off to the player that scored 25k.

[Anonymous No.]

That's quite a gap from 1st to 4th.

[Anonymous No.]

raped by -sony-. every. single. time.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish there was a ranking system for 7447.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9176762
It's up to you really but I tend to follow a couple of rules (which I made up myself). I won't riichi in those cases :

- If adding the extra yaku doesn't give a noticeable boost in points (ie : going from 4 to 5 han, or 6 to 7 (yakuman too, but that's uncommon)
- If I don't need anymore points to finish first
- If my winning tile(s) has been discarded by someone currently in riichi or obviously in tenpai
- If I'm more likely to improve my hand than get a tsumo with my current hand (for instance, if my wait is 4,6 and getting 3 or 7 would give me pinfu). Another case is seven pairs : if I get tenpai but both possible waits are tiles between 3-7, I'd rather wait a wind/dragon already discard, "suji" 1/9 or the dora
- If the dora can enter my hand. That's mainly a defensive move since I don't want to be forced to discard a dora later on
- If my hand is trash and one or more players seems to have something big going on (hon/chin itsu is an easy one to notice, but pon of dora is just as scary)

All of this mainly applies to times when I'm not East. When I am, I might riichi on trash hands just to scare off the other players and hope for a draw. Also if I badly need points to get out of 4th place, I'll obviously riichi even where there's no direct point gain, hoping for ippatsu, tsumo or ura dora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177187
someone explain how the final score works. I thought I had it figured out but now I don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177408
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=let+me+google+that+for+you

[Anonymous No.]

Reporting this thread so I can post my Accel images again.

Apparently I can't delete them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177443
I don't see them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177443
No accelerator here too.

[Anonymous No.]

My daisangen... ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177453
Weird. I guess jannie deleted them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177408

So, there's three things decided at the start of a match.

Buy-in rate
Starting rate
Uma

Buy-in and Uma are optional, but are usually used.

Buy-in rate functions like a pot, where you throw in a certain amount of money/points, and the winner gets that at the end. The standard is 30,000. Since the actual starting value of each player is 25,000, then the "pot" is 5,000 from each player, or 20,000 altogether.

At the end of the game, you score who came in what place. I'll use >>9177187
for reference numbers. So, we can see the place went like this:

A: 78,400
B: 22,800
C: 10,000
D:-11,200

In the case of a tie, you decide the seat order from whoever is in first place, or the original dealer. Technically, this means at the very start of the game, everyone's already placed from 1st to 4th by seat order.

Then do this: Round off all the scores to the nearest thousandth and then divide by said thousandth. Score > 6, round up. < 5, round down. Then drop off the Zero's.

A: 78
B: 23
C: 10
D:-12

Continued in the next post

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit, better start learning some japanese.

I wanted to call a goddamn tsumo with my 5 pin, instead I managed to press a goddamn riichi button.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177470

Now, if you're playing with a buy-in rate, subtract the buy-in rate from the scores. So, -30,000 (or 30 since we're dealing with the scores here):

A: 48
B: -7
C:-20
D:-41* (my mistake earlier)

And then you add the pot bonus back into the person who placed first. 30-25 = 5. x4 = 20, so

A: 68
B: -7
C: -20
D: -41

The total by now should equal exactly zero if you add all four scores together. If they don't, you did something wrong. This is how they determine who to give what. In this case, B would owe A 7 units, C would owe 20, D 41, and A stands to gain 68 units total. You can decide at the start how much equals what. For instance, if you said 1 point = 50 cents, A-san would stand to gain $34. Etc, etc.

BUT, if you play with an Uma, the changes the score. Uma is generally two numbers, small and big. A 5/10 Uma I believe is the standard, but Tenhou plays with a huge ass 10/20 Uma. What you do with that is you adjust the final scores. You take the big number from 4th's score and give it to 1st. You take the small number from 3rd and give it to 4th. So with the 10/20 uma adjustin the score, you get this:

A: 88
B: 3
C: -30
D: -61

Look familiar? Now A-san walks off with $44 in his pocket, and B-chan just barely manages to get away unscathed with a $1.50 he's probably gonna spend on pocky.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177492

Me again, this:
>You take the small number from 3rd and give it to 4th

Should say take from 3rd, give to 2nd.

[Anonymous No.]

>Dealer declared riichi
>Call open kan anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>that feel when your first ever yakuman

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177620
Man, you must be the first person I've ever seen on 4chan to not riichi on a yakuman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177620
NoName's rape train came to an abrupt end with that yakuman.

[Anonymous No.]

Any reason as to why /jp/ plays on Tenhou instead of Janryumon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177638
What reasons are there to play on Janryumon? I've only ever seen it on youtube and it always looked kinda bloated, like full of special effects and shit.
Tenhou on the other hand is nice and clean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177638
Because tenhou is simple, and we have been using it longer than janryumon has been around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177638
I wanted to try using Janryumon, but >Internet Explorer
The mobile version's alright though, if not for the GP limit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177638
Tenhou threads has been around even before the /a/ /jp/ split, I for one am just following traditions.

[Anonymous No.]

>2:0

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177739
Slow3dP. Are you niggers serious?

[Anonymous No.]

Goddammit, Sony.

Quit raping my ass in every game.

[ヤギーさん No.]

I really need to stop playing so retardedly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177622
The whole "never riichi with yakuman" mentality some people have goes too far. Especially with a standard wait suuankou, if mangan isn't enough, there is absolutely no reason not to riichi. You don't want anyone attacking in that situation or, to a lesser extent, to deal in. There are also other more rare situations such as super-early kokushi where riichi can be a good idea.

Generally speaking, though, it's correct. Don't riichi with yakuman tenpai unless you have a good reason to.

[Anonymous No.]

Ahaha damn, that was a really close match. I had tenpai for a few big hands, but people kept dealing into cheap hands.

[Anonymous No.]

I hate it when I forget I'm in queue. I got stuck in a game where I was fighting against my bladder the entire time.

[さわお No.]

Why does no one ever play nashi style? It's probably my favorite way to play but I have never seen a single game start in 7447 and even in 0000 it's usually the least played

[Anonymous No.]

LE MAHJONG FACE

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178110
It's like I'm really in /v/!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9177909

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178100
Since it's so easy to make an open tanyao, kuitan reduces the luck factor a lot in my opinion. If you draw a dangerous tile and don't want to discard it, you can usually give up your pair, make up for it with a call and keep a pair wait on the dangerous tile for instance. Also you can control the game more easily by consciously deciding whether you want a fast and cheap hand or a slow and heavy one.

It sucks against beginners since they tend to make the fastest hand without any reason but in 特上 I've never seen a single person queue for nashi, and I expect 鳳凰 is the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178100
You really enjoy playing yakuhai pon or 1han hand every round?
Or maybe if someone got a riichii ippatsu pinfu menzen tsumo and the game is practically over?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178245
You shouldn't open your hand at least 66% of the time and in those cases, nashi changes absolutely nothing to the score. If anything, playing in nashi will increase hand values by forbidding the second (arguably first) cheapest hand from the game.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh wow, I see people here talk about being able to keep track of what other people discard and being able to predict what type of hand they're forming... I don't think I could ever do that, seeing as I have enough trouble looking at my own hand, trying to calculate the probability of getting certain tiles... maybe once I memorize all the yaku I'll get faster but I don't think I can compare with you guys!

So I've been playing single player mahjong because I only recently learned. But I've just been playing that crappy flash game linked earlier. Does anyone have any experience with "Touhou Unreal Mahjong"? I downloaded a torrent of it (apparently "3rd generation") and it works fine. I don't need to know Japanese to start a game, and I know kana well enough to actually play.

But there are lots of other options too, like unlocking characters. I downloaded an English patch (thmj.p) but I have no idea how to apply it! I've seen Youtube videos of the game as well, in English, but the game looked ever so slightly different... they might have been on a different version?

Does anyone know what to do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178261
What you dont realize is you have 4people on the table.
Not everyone there has got a mangan potential hand and they have to resort to shitty yakuhai or just pinfu fast hand.
What you gonna do when you are down 10000+ to the dealer because of a ippatsu and you need a big hands?
Take your sweet ass time building hand that will get cockblock?
red5 even out the luck by giving out more doras. Even a shitty open tanyao can be a dangerous hand with red doras and hidden dora pon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178285
I realize that very well, and I've been in situations where I need a huge upset to get out of 4th hundreds of times. And yes, when that happens, I bet on a riichi men-tan-pin iipeikou hoping for ippatsu, ura dora and the like. I should mention that I've never played nashi outside of 一般 because I wanted to avoid complete beginners and I'll go pon of dora tanyao only when I can, but I still consider open tanyao to be the kind of hand I do when I'm in first position and want the game to end quick, not when I'm in last.

Like you said, there are 4 people playing and I don't expect to win more than 25% of all hands. That means 75% of the time I have no problem giving up my hand and going into defense. I also don't expect to finish 1st more than 30% of the time and won't bet everything on some unlikely hand when I can silently make a pinfu only and finish 2nd.

10,000 points in not a lot by the way, a mangan is nothing special.

>>9178183
I remember downloading that once, and every character had a super power of some sort. It made the game a lot of fun, but you won't learn mahjong with this, although I suspect there's also a regular play mode. Can't help you with the patch, I only did a couple of games at the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178282
I have no experience with that Touhou game, but I'm guessing it probably has some crazy powers that'll rape statistics and probability, so if you want to practice you'd be better off with something else.

Anyway, calculating your chances of getting a certain tile usually just boils down to how many of them have already been discarded. Sometimes you can also make further rudimentary judgments about what might be discarded, like if there are already a lot of tiles in that area that have already been dealt.

I expect that pros can probably guess what tiles their opponents are holding and take that into consideration when calculating probabilities. I'd like to be able to do that, but it really is a lot to think about in the middle of a fast-paced game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178310
Nashi only works outside of tenhou as everyone will be playing for first instead of for second. People in tenhou wouldn't give a shit and will just make 1000 points for second.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178310
>>9178325
Okay, I won't use the Touhou game for learning, though I would like to play it someday once I've got the game down.

Because I'm already here, does anyone mind me asking what a great single player mahjong game would be? It's okay if it's in Japanese for the most part, but if I can make it English, that would be lovely.

I saw "Mahjong Titans" on my computer but that wasn't Mahjong at all!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178358
Honestly, I'd just recommend you play on tenhou. After learning the hands that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178358
I can't recommend a specific single player game, but you should consider playing against other players. Even if the AI neither sucks not cheats, you'll never get the feeling that you've tricked someone into doing something against a computer. Mahjong is no poker, but it's still part of the game.

Tenhou's first room has a lot of beginners and watching better players will probably be good advice. So long as you know the rules, you'll be fine.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the strategy for winning in 上級?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178392
>>9178388
Alright, after I learn all the yaku I guess I'll try a game. Someone earlier said you can spectate, so I'll probably watch a few games to see how the flow goes with actual players.

Thanks for being so nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9178409
Most people will have some notion of defense, so you can usually exploit that to win hands. Make pair/shanpon waits on 1 or 9 and discard 4 or 6 respectively before calling riichi. 3rd wind or dragon also works fine.

From the 10th turn onwards, try to keep a completely safe tile in your hand in case someone calls riichi. Never ever throw a random tile when someone just called riichi. After that, if you're at least ryanshanten (2 away from tenpai), you should probably go full defense and not even try to win. Try to notice when people go for hon/chin itsu since that's so common. When they do, just stop dealing that color completely, especially if they can chii you.

Keep a silent tenpai for everything else and people won't take notice. Also, be satisfied when you're not 4th. There's a lot more I suppose, but the more you play the better you'll get.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179245
>calling kan instead of tsumo
You went full retard there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179269
I went full genius

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179400
Genius indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

hey /jp/, i just played a round where some button popped up on the first turn so of course i had to click it cause clicking randomly on tenhou leads to automatic wins. this time it seemed to end the round early with no one gaining any points.

what happened? did i break the system? i don't read moonrunes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179808
That's 九種九牌, it pops up when you have 9 different terminal (1 or 9) or honors (winds or dragons). If you click on it the match is a draw. If you don't, you will have a harder time making a hand, or you can try to make kokushi musou (getting all 13 terminals and honors).

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179808
There are some starting hands that let you demand a reshuffle. You had one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179842
>>9179851

thanks guys. are you saying i could've had a good chance for kokushi musou? what would you do in that situation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179851
Unless I forget something, 9 terminals/honors is the only starting hand that can cause a draw. All 4 players discarding the same wind in the first round and (on tenhou) a triple ron are other ways to draw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179864
Well if you're in first position, just make a draw. If you have several pairs of honors (mainly dragons or your seat/round wind), you can try to make a regular hand (chanta, yakuhai, hon itsu for instance). If you need a huge upset trying for kokushi is fine.

Obviously if you're playing for fun always go for the kokushi, because yakumans are fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179875

unfortunately i can't seem to find that hand on the replay. i was in last at the time but crawled my way to first by the last round.

it could've been my first yakuman... curse my non-moonrune reading noob skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179922
Don't worry, there's a huge gap between 9 and 13 terminals/honors. I doubt more than 5% of those hands turn into a kokushi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179867
There's also the "no tile within 2 places of the other tile" one (e.g. 2-5-8 man, 2-5-8 pon, 2-5-8 sou + random terminals).

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179962
Is that also on Tenhou ? I'm pretty sure I've never seen it in well over a thousand games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9179986
Nope, it isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

goddammit I just played a game where someone got a massive hand with 8 dora on the first round, and then proceeded to deal into the same player every time I got into tenpai for the rest of the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9181579
That open kan at the start of the game was pretty bad form.

[Anonymous No.]

waiting for 1 more

[-Kuroko- No.]

waiting warmly

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone know that feel when you want to go for fast tanyao so you make an early call, but then draw nothing but 1s and 9s?

[-Kuroko- No.]

>>9181639
yep, and when i'm going for Junchan/chanta all my draws are 4-5-6

[Anonymous No.]

Board warp!
>>>/a/67188295

[Anonymous No.]

What are you doing?
Why did you get yourself into furiten to keep a red5 over a 2han hand?

[Anonymous No.]

Bump for 3P

[Anonymous No.]

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv96328610

[Anonymous No.]

Let's play!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9182918
I-It's not like I want to play with you or anything!

[Anonymous No.]

Ｃｏｍｅ　ｏｎ！　Ｌｅｔ’ｓ　ｐｌａｙ　ａｎｏｔｈｅｒ　ｏｎｅ！

[Anonymous No.]

Bump for 3P.

[Anonymous No.]

no one ever plays 4p fast in 7447

[»kP« gantz666 !wsZeuflIao!!8yIpWX9oWeK No.]

>>9157340

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>9186122
You monster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9186122
Go back to bed soap-chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9186386
You're not my mom!

[Anonymous No.]

Wow, first time finishing on east 1.

I guess that's a lucky day for me.

[Anonymous No.]

Second time playing Mahjong.
http://imgur.com/TceBT

I read up on some Yakumans and I was like 6 tiles away from Tenpai in my opening hand so I decided to go for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9187882
You do realize that you can post images on 4chan, right ? That's the whole point of the website.

Also, no need to riichi on a kokushi.

[Anonymous No.]

fuck I played so badly just now. all I had to do was not deal in to anyone and I would finish in second, but I get ronned by an 7 dora hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9188079
yeah, that was a pretty stupid move. there were 4 open dora already. better luck next time, man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9188129
I was trying to end the game as fast as I could, but I fucked up my hand and was putting all my attention on fixing it. it kind of pisses me off too because I had two hands with a bunch of dora in previous rounds but someone else would always win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9188059

It failed to upload twice so I just uploaded it somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I read something about getting something for the amount of damage you deal to online Ur-Dragon too, but is this true? I keep missing out on the killing blow phases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9188079

Oh, you think that's bad? I was playing, and every time I riichied, next turn, I'd discard my non-winning tile and someone ron'd off of it. Three times in a row.

Then in the next hanchan, a bunch of people made some calls, and then all of a sudden, I discard what LOOKED like a safe 7s, only to get DOUBLE FUCKING RONNED OUT OF NOWHERE FOR TWO MANGANS

I'm out tonight. Fuck it, no luck is on my side right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9188283
I went back and looked at the replay and it was totally my fault though. I had decided to go for a quick tanyao only, but then I ended up discarding the wrong tile and ruining my hand. I was so focused on fixing it that I didn't notice that someone had a kan of dora that was also the table wind and his seat wind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9188443

A Hanekan? OUCH.

[Anonymous No.]

I know that it wouldn't have changed the outcome but that furiten is pretty painful to look at.

[Anonymous No.]

1 more for 4p ari red fast.

[Anonymous No.]

Before I actually play online, I want to memorize a few more yaku and get quicker at "understanding" my own hand. I don't want to bother other players by taking 20 seconds at the beginning of every hand to make a plan. So for the past few nights I've been practicing in a single player game and I'm starting to get to an average human speed. I'll be ready for online probably in a few days.

Of course I'm awful even at this and will be awful online but I'm having fun. I went through a replay of one neat thing that was exciting. I could have called tsumo here and ended it, but I was so far behind, I needed that dora... I discarded the 8man and began to feel like I made a bad decision...

Cont.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9191390
The bitch across from me calls kan on it which pisses me off. But it works in my favor, because my 6sou (I think that's what it's called?) is now dora as well!

And what did I draw the next turn?

I'm usually not lucky in anything so I was pretty happy. That wasn't a lot of points, but by the time the entire game was over, I rose to 2nd place. Sure, they're only computer players, but it was exciting. I can only imagine online play will be much more fun.

[Anonymous No.]

are there any good strip mahjong games where you can see the other players around the table?