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Are MLP fans becoming equivalent of moe otaku?

>> No.9138596
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2hu = mlp

>> No.9138607

Not to mention they are becoming similar to Touhou fandom from Japan.

Fans make tons of fan art, music, and even games.

Example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPfMb50dsOk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGUp12z9BRA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSlnZxvi37s

All of these were made by fans

>> No.9138610

The difference is that they have no sense of shame.

>> No.9138612

>>9138607
Well they have a cart racing game and touhou doesn't and never will.

>> No.9138613

Genuine question - who cares? Do you? Why?

>> No.9138614

MLP is Western moe, so yes.

If MLP wasn't (furry) moe, then there wouldn't be this big internet fandom over it. No one would care about it.

>> No.9138622

To make this mpre /jp/ related:
There's a blog that translates Japanese comments about /mlp/
http://maxiburger.tumblr.com/nicoponies

>> No.9138624

No. Moe otaku like cute girls, ponyfags like animals. Huge difference.

>> No.9138630

Imagine a Japanese person translating English Youtube comments on Touhou videos.

Maybe there are already people out there who do that.

But I doubt it.

>> No.9138628

>>9138614
Are you trying to say there wouldn't be internet fandom over MLP if it wasn't moe, wasn't furry, or wasn't furry moe?

>> No.9138632

Yes and people who disagree are deluding themselves.

The west was long overdue for its own equivalent of moe culture and it's finally been delivered in spades in the form of MLP.

Every piece of the puzzle is there, it's almost frightening.

The only problem now is the question of longevity, if MLP only lasts a couple more seasons this budding culture could collapse, like a star that shone just a little too bright and burnt itself out. However the lasting appeal of moe has been getting called into question for years now and look how that turned out.

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>>9138624
Same thing.

>> No.9138636

>>9138632
As long as they don't ruin my seekrit klub I don't care what happens to Western moe culture.

>> No.9138640

>>9138614
congrats on the marriage

>> No.9138641

No. Ponies was long before moe, so it's moefags who are becoming ponyfags.

>> No.9138642

I liked the first seasons of K-on! and Sailor Moon, then the plot went down, the same thing will happen to MLP. You know what happens when a show have too many seasons.

>> No.9138643

>>9138632
I hope eastern and western moe culture both collapse so this terrible plague can end.

>> No.9138644

>>9138642
But the fifth season of Sailor Moon was the best.

>> No.9138645

>>9138632
I'm pretty sure they're still missing the body pillows.

>> No.9138646

Big Friend: A Big Friend is an adult fan of animes, that were originally made for children. It is implied that Big Friends are (male) otakus. Parents watching a show together with their children don’t count. E. g.: Bronies and adult fans of Pretty Cure are Big Fans.

>> No.9138649

>>9138645
There's a video on Youtube of a guy doing a review of his pony pantsu dakimakuras but I don't want to look for it.

>> No.9138647

>>9138643
Mature teen detected.

>> No.9138648
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>>9138595
Define "Moe otaku"?

>> No.9138654

>>9138614
If there was a show like this about cute human girls drawn in an appealing style I'm sure it would have a lot of adult fans, but Western cartoons for girls usually have awful stylization (Bratz, etc.)

>> No.9138655

One difference is that Friendship is Magic is a show that is actually aimed at children but happens to be enjoyed by some large number of people outside the target demographic. Touhou, and most "moe shows," are not.

This might or might not have any relevance if you're just going to talk about the fan community.

>> No.9138656

>>9138649
do these people have no shame.

>> No.9138658

>>9138649
Color me surprised.

Which I really shouldn't be, but some things, you never get used to them.

>> No.9138664

>>9138656
There are also several reviews of guys yelling at pony coloring books for insulting their intelligence and bronies chanting songs from the show loudly as they parade in the streets to their local Pizza Hut, so I'd say no.

>> No.9138670

>>9138644
The plot went from cute girls saving Tokyo to generic magical girls doing the same thing every day.

Even the henshin is shitty compared to the original.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6HAHogcHFI

>> No.9138671

Bestiality isn't moe

>> No.9138673

I don't agree that it's becoming something similar to western "moe otaku", because personally I don't view the show that way, but I'm sure there are a number of people who would agree with it.

But like any other fandom, there's the good and bad fans.

>> No.9138678

>>9138655
The origin of moe culture in Japan was in '80s shoujo anime like Minky Momo and Creamy Mami, though. Exclusively seinen moe anime is a relatively recent thing.

I wonder how much money the company that produces MLP:FiM has made off of bronies? Probably not all that much so it would never be profitable to produce anything equivalent to late-night moe anime in the West. I doubt it will be a long-lasting thing, at least. As long as the ponyfags don't get into anime after MLP ends I don't really care, though.

>> No.9138682

>>9138670
You didn't even get to see Hotaru.

>> No.9138685

also, looking at OP's picture reminded me of how a large amount of Japan hates anime otakus.

This is basically the same thing as an adult man getting excited over a anime toy meant for little girls. MLP is basically the same thing over seas in a sense. From a outside view point, I'm sure it can look disgusting and immature, but coming from the view point of a person who shares the same interest, It's completely acceptable.

>> No.9138690

>>9138664
I googled pony coloring book review and found this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-OFu557Wjs

I lol'd due to the silent hill music. But I wanna find the actual videos.

>> No.9138692

>>9138685
The primary market for bishoujo figures isn't actually little girls.

>> No.9138698

>>9138692
Neither is a certain amount of mlp toy anymore. Hasbro and the folks in charge of making MLP;FIM are VERY aware of the older/adult fanbase.
They even started making/supporting shits meant for adults.

>> No.9138703

>>9138698
Errm, should have said mlp merch.

>> No.9138707

>>9138703
mlp toy sounds like a horse dildo.

>> No.9138718

>>9138703
I bet that soon hasbro will be making fleshlights featuring mlp.

>> No.9138733

I think that there are a large number of people for whom a major draw of being in the MLP fandom is being in the MLP fandom itself (the social aspect). I don't think they'd be quite as interested if they were put in a situation where none of their friends, offline or online, had any interest in MLP. But this is just my speculation, I've watched one episode in my life and don't know anything about what fans get up to.

A massive amount of Touhou's appeal is fan-related but that's mostly the fanwork talking and not the fandom itself, if you can see what I'm getting at. You could issue a gag order forbidding one to talk about Touhou to anybody, ever and they would stay committed fans.

>> No.9138736

>>9138698
Do I dare ask what kind of merchandise they have made aimed at adults?

>> No.9138743
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hey milk you suck my dick

y/n

>> No.9138747

>>9138743
>cut
0/10 would not suk

>> No.9138752

>>9138628
>>Are you trying to say there wouldn't be internet fandom over MLP if it wasn't moe, wasn't furry, or wasn't furry moe?

Yes because it's all of the above. Obviously not all MLP fans are furries. They're just in it because little talking animals are moe to them. Anime has that kinda thing too though it's usually in the form of mascot characters.

>> No.9138754

>>9138690
there are some here: mylittleponyfriendshipismagic.com
my favorite video here is the rave footage.

>> No.9138763

>>9138736
Just adult sized apparel as far as I know. The toys were also made more accurate to the show after the bronies complained. (Celestia toys used to be pink because little girls like pink, but in a recent release she was made white like in the show.)

>> No.9138771

>>9138733
you are probably right, but touhou isn't just a game anymore it's so much more with all the music, merchandise, art, doujin, costplay, ect.
while the games are also very enjoyable.

touhou would not die without the fanbase, MPL would.

>> No.9138774

Stop bumping that ugly fat guy to the top of the page. Goddamn.

>> No.9138773

>>9138752
congrats on the marriage

>> No.9138779

>>9138736
Mostly shirts, but pretty much everything that is sold in public stores with the Hasbro logo on it.
They've made a few figures as well of background ponies, that you know damn well without the popular demand of the older fanbase, would never have been released.

The creator, Lauren Faust, has also reached out to the adult fans throughout the show as well.

>> No.9138782

>>9138754
>>rave video

That's pretty awesome. I just noticed they're all doing the same dance as the cartoon guy in the projection.

So otaku I died!

>> No.9138788

I don't think MLP could have taken off like it did if it featured little girls instead of ponies. Those parent groups would get all butthurt about pedos and there never would have been any outreach to older fans.

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>> No.9138813

>>9138771
Definitely. That's why I was careful to make the distinction between fanwork and fandom.

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>>9138610
Moe otaku have no sense of shame either. I've seen with my own eyes grown behemoths of men cosplaying japanese schoolgirls. Not to mention the most hardcore doujinshi tend to star moe characters.

>> No.9138835

>>9138831
The first makes a decent pointt. The second not so much because presumably you're reading that shit when nobody is looking, so shame doesn't come into it, unless you're referring to the artists.

>> No.9138979
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I know a person who got into ponies because they have cute designs and personalities. The said person hates MLP porn or sexualized pony fan art.

>> No.9138981

>>9138979
That middle one looks like Stocking...

>> No.9138982

Are there any MLP GUNDAMU?!

>> No.9138992

>>9138979
I feel like a hypocrite but I would watch that I really don't get American animatiors obsession with anthromorphic animals especially when they randomly sing or make sexual jokes.(Not just MLP)

I also hate multi colored hair strands.

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>>9138982

>> No.9139026

>>9138979
That person is you, right?

>> No.9139029

>>9138610
+1

>> No.9139031

>>9139026
Nope, tried to watch but I got bored after first episode. But human design is very cute, I must admit

>> No.9139036

MLP fans are the equivalent of otaku who watch a shitload of mahou shoujo.

>> No.9139037

>>9139031
Did you get all the way through the first one?

The music and voices put me off as I'm used to something "cute but relaxing" like Keion this is just like pouring a load of sugar in your mouth.

>> No.9139051

>>9139037
K-ON voices are just as strange..

All moe character voices are strange. No one speaks like that.

>> No.9139057

>>9139051
Speak for yourself, onii-chan.

>> No.9139078
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MLP's fandom is something like a mutated offshoot of it, that arose through convergent evolution ... but they are not one in the same. Apparently many bronies either have never heard of moe shows or downright don't even like anime at all. How new can you be, to like a show for moe-like qualities and not even want to know what moe is? I'll tell you how new, so new that they wouldn't even be fucking Gaia tier. Who could possibly tolerate that when you are already light years ahead of such people? Hence for the most part, moe otaku tend to fucking hate MLP's fans and hence often the show by extension.

So, while at first glance they may appear similar, they are diametrically opposed in terms of freely mingling with each other (which would suggest a real link). MLP faggots as far as I know, generally don't have the balls to test the waters of moe shows ... I suppose it could be because many of them already are going through a lot of un-mentioned self-questioning as it is from getting into mlp, after all its popularity spread by viral bandwagoning ... and hence, those people don't want to complicate their lives even further by seeing how far down the rabbit hole goes. On the other hand people like us simply cannot get into MLP because we're already in wonderland as it is, and hence have no use for some furry kid show that's been hijacked/forced into a role by men. I suppose you could say bronies metaphorically raped their kid's show that they adore, while moe otaku generally like things made by and for each other (adult men), not to mention created an entire industry out of it.

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>>9139078

>> No.9139103

How the fuck can this fatass look in the mirror and be happy with what he sees? He only needs to do a few things to not look fucking horrible.

1. Cut his hair
2. Shave his neckbear
3. Brush his fucking teeth
4. Go to the gym
5. Stop eating 8000 calories a day

That's fucking it.

I can't take it easy like this.

>> No.9139108

>>9139103
He looks like a pretty confident guy, with quite a few friends going by that photo. Maybe he isn't as insecure as you are.

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>>9138645
i think i've seen pictures of the other main protagonists

>> No.9139111

>>9139103
>brushing your teeth
>not having cute crooked teeth

>> No.9139113

>>9139078

Read this in Patchouli's voice. I imagine her going off on this lucid tangent only to have the majority of people in the room roll their eyes and attempt to quietly leave. So moe

>> No.9139117

>>9139113
>Patchouli's voice

All Touhous are canonically mute and speak through dialogue boxes, you secondary scum.

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>>9139117
>He has not assigned his favourite VAs to 2hus
Do you even autism?

>> No.9139127

>>9139117

Autist detected.

I'm sure they aren't really mute, just lack canon voice acting which is more a limitation of the game's medium. Have you ever read a book? Usually, you tend to fill in the text with what you imagine their voices to be.

>> No.9139131

>>9139127
>limitation of the game's medium
touhou could easily have voices. it's not the medium that's limited, it's the author.

i doubt zun'd want to pay royalties to a whole bunch of voice actresses, if he can't even hire a competent artist.

>> No.9139136

MLP made me question moe shows harder than society ever could.

I still find girls cute, but not ponies. I wish I had a daughter.

>> No.9139138

>>9139119
There are certain "types" of seiyuu I could imagine to fit each character, but I've never chosen specific ones. This actually sounds like it might be a fun rainy day activity to build upon my personal canon. Thank you, Mr Neurotypical!

>>9139127
>Have you ever read a book? Usually, you tend to fill in the text with what you imagine their voices to be.
Actually, I can't do this. I'm bad at imagining sounds I haven't heard before. All the characters in a book sound like me, or simply read as words on a page.

>> No.9139142

Late night furry shows.

The future.

>> No.9139147

>>9139136
This. I can't dote upon something that isn't humanoid.

>> No.9139156

I have to ask in America what station did this air on?

Because I never saw it once.

>> No.9139162

>>9139156
Cartoon Network. Shortly before and after the kids finish school.

>> No.9139179

>>9139162
Oh I stopped watching CN when they forced Flapjack to end so Adventure Time could take its time spot and also started airing the regular show.

Has the channel gotten better since then?

>> No.9139197

>>9139156

Channel is The Hub.

>> No.9139296

you mean "moe buta." "moe otaku" is about the same thing but doesn't carry so much of an inherent meaning that makes them look like shit.

and no they are not comparable, MLP is a fad and "moe"(or what you are referring to) is an art style and brand of characterization/storytelling.

MLP's following may evolve their own brand of furry art and storytelling, and if that becomes the case, then yes they are equivalent.

i'm sorry to say this but if you're going to compare MLP to something compare it to something relevant like pokemon(which is a single series that has been enormously popular for a long, long time) and not an entire genre. touhou is a somewhat relevant comparison too, but i think MLP falls closer to pokemon than anything else.

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>>9139318

>> No.9139478

holy shit that looks like my cousin....

>> No.9139494

I agree that MLP is western moe. It all makes sense: (young) adults that like cute things, branching off from media originally made for little girls, R18 fanart.

Unsurprisingly, the west just can't get it right. Even now that they reinvented moe, they corrupted it with furry shit. Seriously, why is furry so popular in the west?

I don't get the comparison with Touhou though. Magical girl anime works much better for this purpose.

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>>9139296
keep telling yourself that

>> No.9139518

Anime/moe fans hating on bronies is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

>> No.9139524

>>9139494
/mlp/ is furry
/jp/ is pedophilia

There is no justifying either

>> No.9139527

>>9139494
>Seriously, why is furry so popular in the west?

West is raised on cartoons with talking animals and become furries later in life.

East is raised on cartoons with little girls and become paedophiles later in life.

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Heres the difference:

Touhou isn't marketed to children nor has child entertaining themes. Fucking secondaries don't matter.

There's something seriously wrong with adult MLP fans.

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>>9139529
Just to add, if there's a better board to compare /mlp/ with, it's /vp/. Both franchises are marketed to children yet both are loved by adults. One is loved by adults for since many enjoyed it in their childhood and the other for some kind of sick demented furry fetish.

Touhou is not even closely comparable to mlp. Suck it /mlp/ losers, we won't be your friend even if you believe we're the same. We're not.

>> No.9139555

>>9139537
Holy shit you sound like a normal.
Who the hell cares, all 3 things make you equally pathetic in the eyes of society.
Touhou probally even more because pedophilia is more frowned upon than bestiality

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>>9139555
Touhou fans aren't inherently pedophiles. The primaries enjoy it as an STG. Quit projecting your sick fetishes on others, freak.

>> No.9139579

>>9139576
Outsiders will still view you as a pedophile deal with it nerd.

>> No.9139583

>>9139576
MLP fans aren't inherently furry porn fans.

But it doesn't matter what we really are or what they really are, society will ALWAYS assume the worst of you.
So stop acting all superior just because of blind hate towards people enjoying things.

>> No.9139584

>>9139576
Labeling people as "primaries/secondaries" denotes such immense autism that I wish it wasn't necessary for me to point it out to you.

>> No.9139588

>>9139579
Outsider POV about touhou: "He likes a difficult shooting game with a primarily female cast, what a pedophile!!!"

Nah.

Outsider POV about MLP: "He likes a kids show about ponies and magic, what a sick furry freak!!!"

Very possible.

>> No.9139590

ITT: Milk is a fucking idiot who tries to make herself seem smart by changing her opinion and defending whatever new one she has.

Get out of here, Pidgeon.

>> No.9139596

>>9139588
Why do you play as a girl anyway? Are you gay?

>> No.9139598

>"He likes a difficult shooting game with a primarily female cast, what a pedophile!!!"
>Nah.

You are so naive.

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>>9139588
I don't know, there's plenty people in the world who like Shrek, do they want to fuck a ogre or what?

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>>9139606
Normies know what Shrek is so they assume people like it for the comedy. It's when people barely know anything is when they start pulling out judgements. Quit being so dumb.

>> No.9139617

>>9139606
Well yes, if someone would obsess the same way over Shrek the way we do over touhou or they do over mlp he would be seen as a freak too

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>>9139590
What the fuck are you even talking about.
Don't turn this into a drama shit thread, bring your shit elsewhere

>> No.9139643

>>9139588
>Outsider POV about touhou: "He likes a difficult shooting game with a primarily female cast, what a pedophile!!!"
More like: "He likes games that have only little girls in it, fucking pedophile fuck."

>> No.9139644

>>9139606
IS THAT INSPECTOR REX


please respond motherfucker

>> No.9139646

>>9139583
But it's a fact that the west has more furry fanart, and that MLP fanart is predominantly furry.

The same isn't true with moe. There's a lot of fanart that features cow tits. With respect to the pedo accusation, most fanart features adult (and human) body traits.

>>9139529
Western moe is in its infancy. If it spreads, there will be western-moe things targeted at adults.

>> No.9139648

>>9139644
that's a nigger not inspector rex

>> No.9139652

>>9139644
nope, just a mirage

>> No.9139656

>>9139646
Well it doesn't matter, if you jack off to cartoon girls you are a creepy freak in the eyes of society

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>>9139656
Why are you so hung up over the fact that you think we actually care what normies think?

>> No.9139697

>>9139665

Because of
>>9139537
>>9139529

I see no reason for hating mlp fans while you browse /jp/ other than thinking you are somehow superior because you are "less childish".
Why would someone appear more superior than mlp fans?
I can't think of any other reason than social acceptance

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>>9139656
depends on the society and on the "cartoon".

There are places where erotic graphic novel artists are actually taken in high consideration.

pic related, he's pretty much overcelebrated in France.

>> No.9139722

>>9139697
No, you don't get it, touhou is good because of comiket and all the fan derived stuff that come from it, it's manchildren entertainment made from manchildren for manchildren. Not even talking about porn, mostly everything in toho has lots of really obscure arcade game references and sex jokes that children wouldn't get.

MLP only started having movie and star trek references, etc, recently.
And yes both are equally creepy if you bring it up in real life.

>> No.9139735

>>9139026
>>9138979
actually most bronies i knew are like that. i guess the retards are just more vocal.

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>Are MLP fans becoming equivalent of moe otaku?

No. They're fat, autistic shits that do it mostly for the irony. 2hus and anime and such have genuine appeal, especially for males, while MLP is just attracting "bronies" because it's ironic for a male to watch a show for little girls, and they feel it makes them part of something special and progressive.

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>>9139722
>No, you don't get it, touhou is good because of comiket and all the fan derived stuff that come from it, it's manchildren entertainment made from manchildren for manchildren.

I don't get how that is a reason for thinking that you are superior to them

>>9139718
I was talking about stuff like pic related

>> No.9139757

>>9139746
Because little girls don't like difficult shmups, porn or arranged music that's why.

It's adult entertainment even though we are all manchildren.

>> No.9139762
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>>9139746
Epic ironic brony detected.

Enjoying your ironic love for the most ironic show for adult males like you to like?

When I say I like touhou, I actually like it. When ``bronie''s like you say you like MLP it's to fit in with other bronies so you can all have a gay fistbump and talk about how ironic liking it is. There isn't a better definition of subhuman than you.

>> No.9139769

>>9139746
I think society would consider you a freak for stuff like that not because they are 2D but because for the average man they look like children and completely lack what they consider sexy and erotic factors.

>> No.9139767

>>9139757
That's true, but touhou wasn't originally meant to have such depth.
The fans created the fanbase and every aspect of it.
The same is happening with mlp right now, regardless of the original target audience

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Well, one thing that's vastly superior about anime and 2hu is the relative lack of furries and anthros. Of course, there's a few here and there, but compared to western cartoons and shit, it's much less prevalent.

I don't understand why people think the ponies are cute-they're not cute. They look fucking creepy-they have stupid looking mutant faces and creepy mohawk hair from their manes. In fact, I find all furries to be creepy, if not disgusting looking.

>> No.9139778

>>9139744
>>9139762
I agree that it started as an ironic thing at first. However the MLP fandom now produces so much stuff and with season 2 catering less to kids I'm afraid it's becoming genuine for many.

>> No.9139776

>>9139774

Westerners love ugly shit.

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>>9139762
Unfortunately, some people genuinely like MLP.

>> No.9139783

>>9139769
>I think society would consider you a freak for stuff like that not because they are 2D
No, actually just the fact that it is 2D is enough reason for most people to think lowly of you.

>>9139762
I don't even like MLP, but having people on /jp/ having such a normalfag attitude towards it worries me and makes me doubt /jp/s credibility when it comes to thinks like this.
It makes me think that people on /jp/ are actually just bitter social rejects who would become normal at the first chance

>> No.9139785

Don't worry bronies, Touhou is dead.
ZUN married and moved on.

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>>9139783
>I don't even like MLP
Get a load of this backpedaling subhuman faggot

>> No.9139792

Bronies are a genetically inferior race of knuckle dragging fatties that wank off in uncle Bill's stable.
Otaku are a master race of well cultured and educated adult males with a gentlemanly affection for little girls.

>> No.9139798

>>9139786
Does it sound so unlikely that someone defends something he doesn't likes for the sake of logic?
In a sense I am defending /jp/s "Take it easy" attitude

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