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What are considered the "cannon" endings to the Touhou games? Is it always Reimu's first style?

>> No.9125748

The canon ending is whichever ZUN wants it to be.

>> No.9125753

>>9125748
I know that. I was just wondering if there was a pattern to them.

>> No.9125780
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>>9125753
Well, good question, because you know, if you think about it, Marisa basically told every single spellcard that she knew, and that would theorically confirm her as the canon character. But Reimu is also well known for being the main incident solver. And there's also that Yukari line on IN : "And to think that only 3 humans were brave enough to challenge me." (referring to Sakuya, Reimu and Marisa). Does that mean that all of the characters are canon? Doesn't that contradict itself? Are there split timelines, and Yukari with her boundary power has knowledge of what happened in every single timeline? Eh...

>> No.9125824

>>9125780
Do any of the endings affect the happenings in the next game?

It could very well just be multiple timelines that all have the same outcome ultimately. Example: Spring is returned to Gensokyo in PCB no matter which character you play through with, but the back story and personal after stories are different.

>> No.9125850

The answer is that all of the good endings are canon.

Or rather, the vague events of all the good endings are canon. All of the heroines are involved in some way or another, and the ending is a hazy conglomeration of all their story paths. ZUN leaves the exact details unclear, just like he leaves lots of things unclear, and everyone lives happily ever after.

>> No.9125864

I don't think ZUN cares much about creating a coherent story.

I think the incident ending is more the focus than the situations and events that ended it.

It's: All this happened and ended, now this happens because of that!

Rather than: All this happened and ended, and now this happens because of how it ended!

>> No.9125865

>>9125850
>ZUN leaves the exact details unclear
Isn't that the whole point?
And the reason fanon is as popular as it is?

>> No.9125887

>>9125824
Yeah, and besides, I don't think that ZUN would think as far as considering the possibility of Yukari manipulating timelines to learn about her danmaku battles against Reimu, Marisa and Sakuya. In any way, from what I can guess, is that all of the heroines end up "saving the day", but in an unclear way. He just connects all of the possibilities in a simple way.
The endings from MoF to TD are a huge chain reaction. Because of Moriya's shrine arrival on Gensokyo, MoF happened. Because of Kanako, from the Moriya's shrine, gave a god's power to Okuu, SA happened. I don't remember now, but I think that because of all of those evil spirits coming from the underground, something triggered the youkai that knew Byakuren to come outside, or just Nue, that was vital to the story ( I don't remember it clearly). And because Byakuren set up the temple above Miko, she attacked Reimu for being friends with her rival. Or maybe Reimu wouldn't fight Miko at all if that didn't happen. Now all we can do is wonder : What will happen on the next Touhou? What will ZUN pull off? With SoPM released, we have a clear confirmation that there won't be any more religious groups. Will we have a Touhou more focused on Kasen and etc.? What I can guess is just that we'll have a Touhou 13.5 that focused on WaHH, and then on Touhou 14, we have a brand new game, that "reunites" all of the events from MoF to TD to end this "chapter" (by chapter I mean the second division of the Windows series, since the first division was from EoSD to PoFV, games that had little to no influence whatsoever with each other).

>> No.9125893

Marisa B is canon.

>> No.9125906

Somewhere in a parallel universe a zombified Sanae is sucking undead cock.

>> No.9125909

Who gives a shit. It's not like the story (or gameplay) of Touhou is any good.

>> No.9125914

>>9125909
oh no u didnt

>> No.9125921

Reimu did MoF, don't know which. ReimuA did SA. MarisaB did UFO.

>> No.9125949

>>9125909
the fuck you say faggot cockranger

>> No.9126032

>>9125736
It's canon, not cannon.

>> No.9126717

>>9125780
You give such weak reasoning, when all four IN routes and at least two (one for each character) SA routes are outright confirmed to have happened.

>>9125824
Sometimes they're expanded upon (SDM's IN ending and SSiB). Sometimes they show details later shown as established in canon (UFO). Some are written specifically to lead to the extra stage (UFO Marisa B, FW's... I forgot which one).

>>9125850
Bad endings are canon too. Shrine maiden likes to have rematches until she wins, remember? Finishing the game on the first try isn't canon.

>> No.9127121

>>9125887
>EoSD to PoFV, games that had little to no influence whatsoever with each other
I think EoSD, PCB and IN teams were related because they were going to moon.

>> No.9127147

>>9126717
>Bad endings are canon too.
There are bad ends that are definitely not canon.

>> No.9129864

The only thing I know for sure is that Reimu's route in EoSD isn't canon because, in it, she kills Sakuya.

>> No.9129870

>>9129864

youkeis come back when they die stupid

>> No.9129876

all of them.

>> No.9129883

>>9127121
The characters are connected too. We fight Sakuya in EoSD then we can play as her in PCB. IN features several playable characters that were former bosses in EoSD and PCB. PoFV is the end of the chapter because it's the last game that lets you play as the enemies from the previous games. MoF starts a new chapter.

>> No.9129886

>>9129864

What? Where did you get that from?

>> No.9129885

>>9127147
Do you mean this in a "They wouldn't be able to replay UFO if they got stuck in Makai" way, or "Alice can't sleep in Marisa's house that's too lewd" way?

>> No.9129895

>>9129885
Yoshika says that if you lose to her you become a jiang shi. All the TD 3B and 4 bad endings are non-canon because in those endings the heroine becomes a zombie.

>> No.9129911

>>9129886
From the game dialogue. He mistakes "character X says Y" for "Y happened".

>>9129895
...and so do you.

>> No.9130080

>>9129911
Remilia asked Reimu if she was the murderer right after the fight with Sakuya. This strongly implies Reimu killed Sakuya or, at the very least, someone else from the mansion.

>> No.9130091

>>9130080
Danmaku can't kill people according to the official rules, although it's very very strange that Mokou would disappear from the screen and a "spellcard" named Resurrection would pop up just after that and she would show up again.

>> No.9130094

>>9130080

Sakuya isn't dead. This strongly implies that no-one killed her.

I mean, screwing around and bullshitting in the pre-fight dialogues? In TOUHOU? Preposterous!

>> No.9130100

>>9130094
>Sakuya isn't dead. This strongly implies that no-one killed her.

Precisely why I stated the only thing I know for sure is that Reimu's ending in EoSD can't be canon. If there's one.

>> No.9130129

>>9130100

>I just killed your friend!
>Really? I just saw her walking around.
>A: I'm lying.
>B: We've been transported to a PARALLEL UNIVERSE!

Either Reimu completely broke character and randomly killed Sakuya before having a friendly tea party with her employer, and that was then randomly made non-canonical despite being the main character's route and Sakuya brought back the very next game... or Remilia was bullshitting around like every Touhou boss ever does.

>> No.9130139

>>9130129
Or Marisa's ending is the true ending.

>> No.9130152

>>9130139

Heard of Occam's Razor?

It also only explains Sakuya still being around after the game, and not the contradictions entirely interior to the route.

>> No.9130176

>>9130152
Funny that you mention Occam's razor when I myself am using it in face of your crazy, even if ironic, speculation.

>> No.9130208

>>9130176

"The main character's route never happened" makes fewer assumptions than "The BBEG wasn't telling the truth"?

>> No.9130232

>>9130208
Does the main character route happening even though, in the next game, one of the characters killed is a playable character make any sense?

>> No.9130245

>>9130232

Which is why we apply the razor and select a hypothesis from

>"The main character's route never happened"
>"The BBEG wasn't telling the truth"

Are we just going around it circles now?

And again, it also doesn't address the contradictions entirely within the route.

>> No.9130262

>>9130232
The person you are arguing with is claiming that Sakuya is never killed in Reimu's route at all.

Or if you want to continue a more inane argument, it's because Sakuya is obviously a Hourai person (she stole it when she was on the moon). That's why Eirin was surprised to see her. There's no other plausible way to explain how she lived through being murdered, so you must accept this premise via Occam's Razor.

>> No.9130364

>>9130262
>The person you are arguing with is claiming that Sakuya is never killed in Reimu's route at all.

I realize he doesn't. This whole argument was fated to go nowhere from the start. I'm just saying what I think happened based on the fact Remilia's statement about Reimu killing Sakuya being true, but he won't shut up about occam's razor even if I myself am applying it, considering the above hypothesis.

>> No.9130368

>>9130364
>based on the fact

I meant based on the possibility.

>> No.9130383
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9130383

What's so wrong about a Marisa route being canon instead of Reimu's? Isn't she also a main character?

>> No.9130410

>>9130364
If Sakuya were really killed in Reimu's route, then, yes, it wouldn't be canon.

However, if you look at Reimu's route on its own with no outside information, it's more likely that Remilia is making a joke than that Sakuya has really been killed, based on dialogue in the same conversation.

>> No.9130414

>>9130364

The point is that Occam's Razor would suggest that the statement *isn't* true, as does everything we know about danmaku, Reimu, and Sakuya's relationship with Remilia, unless you're suggesting that as well as being non-canon it's also a joke route.

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