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I have a question for you /jp/, who is the strongest character in the world of Touhou?
I have come down to that it is either Yukari or Flandre

>> No.911985


>> No.911992


Also, powerlevels are not possible in the ZUNiverse.

>> No.911997


>> No.911998


Come on, like you didn't see that coming.

>> No.912007

Yukari's more versatile, while Flandre's better at outright destruction.
Then there's Yuka, who's generally better at being Youkai, which I guess translates into unusually strong regenerative and danmaku abilities (Masterspark etc.)
And finally there's Suika who's just plain STRONG. Strong enough to punch a mountain to pieces.

>> No.912032

Powerlevels aren't possible to determin in ZUNiverse.
Yukari for example is equevilant to a god, she can manipulate every type of border, including one's border between existance and nothingness.
She can make you... well, not exist anymore.
Suika can tear a mountain down with her bare hands, Flandre can destroy anything without even noticing, so yeah- No such thing as powerlevels here.

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>> No.912043

Incoming challanger: Chiquita Dragonforce

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m... my mistress

>> No.912050

Look at it this way.

On most browsers, you can bring up your browsing history by pressing Control-H. (No, this is not going to become a discussion of werecows.) On Firefox, this brings up a sidebar that shows up on the left side of the window. If you put your mouse over the edge of the sidebar, the cursor will turn into a different kind of arrow. By clicking and dragging it, you can move the edge of the sidebar back and forth. You are, to put it another way, manipulating the border between the normal window and the history window. By moving the mouse, you can increase the portion of the window devoted to either part. In a more extreme view of this situation, you're increasing or decreasing the amount of existence the sidebar has.

Now, let's apply this idea to something more abstract. Look out your window. If you don't live in a highly urbanized area, you should be able to see the horizon. Think of this as the border between the land and the sky. The land and sky are obviously distinguishable thanks to this boundary. Now, if you were to "drag" the sash between the sky and the land, or to manipulate the border between land and sky, you would end up causing the sky to become larger and the land to become smaller, or vice versa. An effect of this might be to cause something that was just on the ground to suddenly be hundreds of feet in the air. Truly a frightening situation to be in. So, look at it this way - manipulating the border between two physical things shifts whatever balance there is in the interaction between those things. Alternatively, by manipulating the border between two things, you can change the manner in which they exist.

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>> No.912053

Still, this isn't *that* abstract, since it's still dealing with real things in the real world. Many believe that in this world, there are those things that are true, and those that obviously aren't. This divides reality into two extremes: truth and falsehood. But, since we have two extremes, logically one can imagine a boundary between those two extremes - the border between truth and lies. If one were to manipulate this border, suddenly things that were pure fantasy (flying pigs, for the sake of argument) have become reality - or things from reality have ceased to exist. This is how Yukari is said to have invaded the moon - by manipulating the border between truth and lies, as applied to the reflection of the moon on a pond, she was able to make the reflection of the moon into a manifestation of the actual moon, and so send her youkai army onto it. This is what's truly amazing about Yukari's power - the ability to manipulate the border between completely abstract concepts allows her to fundamentally change reality as we know it (at least in terms of two abstract concepts).

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>> No.912057


Remilia isn't even in the race, but her power still breaks the possibility of powerlevels, just like almost everyone else's.

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>> No.912089

ZUN Created a world in which powerlevels are not possible, which prevents powerlevel fanboys from talking about it.

>> No.912096

Flandre has destruction hax. But Yukari has, turn the world into a single entity and/or make you merge with whatever's next to you, make you move somewhere else, probably alter your powers, get inside your head(dreams anyway) hax.

So it's really just a matter of timing.

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>> No.912116

yukari can manipulate the boundary of her enemies power so then cannot be used anymore

>> No.912123

who is the one on S with the umbrella?

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Did you really just ask that? It's Yuka.

>> No.912136


>So it's really just a matter of timing.

This is the best kind of warfare. It's more like shooting guns instead of trying to beat each other with rocks while wearing plate armor.

>> No.912139

Picture is stupid and not close to being true.
Yuyuko is in the same category with Yukari, and WTF? Ex-Rumia is in the same level with Mokou and Kaguya?
Utter bullshit.

>> No.912157


>beat each other with rocks while wearing plate armor

That's just fightan' shonen.

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Manipulation of Boundaries (not at Yukarilevel)
DBZish regeneration. If you want to kill her destroy every atom of her.
Magic at Mimalevel
Swordfighting at Youmolevel
Yukarish strenght and speed

Where would you place Mary?

>> No.912174


That chart is mostly based on what stage you encounter them at.

A-rank is Final/Extra bosses. Power level increasing from right to left.

S-rank is also extra/final bosses, but they have canon backing to call them the strongest.

>> No.912175

>Yuyuko is in the same category with Yukari
...what? Yukari is clearly top-tier in that, and Yuyuko is one tier lower. Seems correct to me.

As for EX-Rumia, she's purely a fan creation, so they can put her wherever they want, I don't care.

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Hey sup bitches?

>> No.912191

Boundary between Lolrobo and death

>> No.912192

>Yukarish [...] speed
Huh? I always thought Yukari was slow (Border team is the slowest in IN). She just portals around the battlefield for mobility.

>> No.912195

Fucking WMD...

>> No.912198

(゚Д゚ )

>> No.912207

Yukarish not Yukariish

>> No.912211

She can break reality she did it in Shuusou Goyku.
Enjoy your ion cannon.

>> No.912219

power levels hurr

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someone said ion cannon?

>> No.912233

yuyuko I mean she can instakill you

>> No.912241

EX level takes place in gensokyo so we can say she is at the same level as our generic EX bosses

>> No.912253

Only if you are lol mortal and alive and thats like just 10% of Gensokyo.

>> No.912255

Not if you are immortal or have fucked up your boundary between life and death.

Yukari cannot kill immortals too. But has other ways to fuck them up.
Same goes for Suika

>> No.912265

Everything without resistance to death.
Youkai can die aswell

>> No.912269

Yea but her EX is Reimu that puts her up with Suika as a minimum.

>> No.912278

Question is if she won or not.

I mean, you didn't defeat Yukari in PCB either.

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The strongest.

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She won

She didt even have to go all out

>> No.912303

Vivit wouldn`t be able to break Reimus Last Word.
She can only get a draw vs motivated Reimu

>> No.912315

You can also win the PCB extra stage, but canon is that you didn't defeat Yukari.

>> No.912333

What the intangibility thing? Reimu does it in the level.
You can't deal damage until you overwhelm it, its one of Reimus final attack.

>> No.912340

Actually, you do defeat Yukari in PCB Phantasm. But she just trolls Reimu and goes back to sleep instead of actually fixing the border like Reimu told her too.

>> No.912348

And how do you make sense of that?

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What part of her admitting defeat and being dumb struck by her power do you not get?
Its there in black & white heck there are even a few doujin on it.

>> No.912358

Reading her PCB profile, it only mentions that Ran got defeated and that Yuyuko asked her to restore the border of the netherworld, not the heroines. Also it never says she was defeated by somebody...maybe I'm missing something.

>> No.912363

Since unbeatable spells are against the rules it is tmed.
In a non danmaku battle Reimu is truly unstoppable.
Vivit vs Reimu was a danmaku battle

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>> No.912374

What's the source of that Doujin Cover?

>> No.912388

What do you mean? It's pretty obvious from the ending conversation. Reimu defeats Yukari and is like 'Okay, now go fix the borders like you promised'. And Yukari responds how she was going to fix it anyways without Reimu making demands. Reimu call her a liar because she wasted so much time sleeping. Yukari is like 'Well it's because I was asleep' and that since she is awake now it is proof that she is willing to work.

Reimu: "Willing to work" and "getting work done" are entirely different!

Yukari: Compared to a shrine maiden who's rarely in her shrine, I think I'm getting plenty of work done.

R: Exorcism is my job. I should receive hazard pay for my work.

Y: Oh, it's almost dawn. I have to return home and sleep...

R: So all in all, you did exactly nothing. Where on Earth do you live?

Y: The same place as you. At the edge of Gensokyo. Along the northeastern edge.

>> No.912393

No spell card rules in Seihou.

>> No.912396

>「DRAGIN」SINRA氏の新刊(秋霜玉 上巻)の第1版の情報で
I think

>> No.912397

But isn't Spell Card rules mainly for the good of Reimu's opponents?

>> No.912399

takes place in gensokyo.

>> No.912401

Spellcard rules were created so youkai could settle disputes with the miko without killing her, which would destroy Gensokyo. lern2wiki

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Ran is canon strongest of Youkai beasts.

>> No.912406

Reimu nor Marisa announce any spell cards and Viv dosn't have spell card.

>> No.912412

She's so easy to defeat.
All you need to do is to pull out your cock, she'll swoop down on it and surrender instantly.

>> No.912416

Meet: >>912315

>> No.912418

If you know moon, there are raws for part 1 I think.

>> No.912419

Its the way Seihou games are coded.
Also Vivid in the attacker part does not need any. Do enough damage or ime the spell out

I admit she is hax. But there some monsters in gensokyo far more haxed.
Yukari will outhax her
Flan will destroy her from safe distance.
Dunno about Suikas black hole and yuyukos power. Vivit lives somehow...

>> No.912426

Suika is canon strongest.

She said herself that she could destroy youkai mountain in one punch.

Oni can't lie.

>> No.912429

Yes, the physically strogest.

>> No.912445

Aya has also stated that Suika is probably the most powerful youkai in Gensokyo.

>> No.912449

Aya is a journalist.

>> No.912454

I already did. And said that you do in fact defeat Yukari. Reimu defeats Yukari in their danmaku battle. She just basically ignores Reimu's demands anyways and goes back to sleep.

>> No.912459

Meet: >>912348

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Tengu are the Oni's bitches. Also you people seem to forget about Yuugi, which is also an oni.

>> No.912464

No we didn't. We're going by off what has been officially stated so far. Since Yugi is in TH11 which isn't even out yet (demo doesn't count). There's no point including her.

>> No.912465

You guys are always over the "WHO'S THE STRONGEST?", I want to know who is the weakest.

>> No.912469

Yukari > Suika > Vivit = Flandre = Yuka > Bananarama

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>> No.912477

Well she is a mountain Deva, she has to be strong. But you are right.
I'm hoping she will appear as some sort of EX midboss? Who knows.

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I don't think that Yukari can just do a lol border on her she did fuck with reality in Shuusou Goyku and Banshiryuu.
Flan comes down to who pull the trigger first and Viv can confuse her with solid matter holograms so Flan dosen't know which one to make go boom.
Suika thats a old fasin brawl two women go in only one comes out.
And Yuyu cant do anything as a sentient android Viv is alive yet she isn't.

And god knows what she can do wen she pulls out her wings.

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Yuugi is impressive

>> No.912517

I give you Yuyuko but there is no protection against the manipulation of boundaries.
Vivit doesn`t know about Flandres ability so she will crushed before she can think about a countermove.

But to be fair... I know nothing about Vivit

>> No.912519

Suika is canonically the only youkai that Reimu has not been able to defeat in the games.

>> No.912523

I hope you people realize you are fucking NERDS.
jesus christ.....

>> No.912526


Back to /b/, please.

>> No.912527


They are basically are everything, even the very logic of power.
They would just make any power useless.
They win

Suika controls her own density, thats why she is powerful.

Yukari would kill herself if she would fuck with the boundaries, thats why she uses her power carefully.

Thread over

>> No.912528

Oh, wow.

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>> No.912535

We rant only about moe characters in this thread.
Dragons have yet to be moeifized

>> No.912539

Mushihimesama much.

>> No.912544

Rinnosuke is a dragon.

>> No.912547

Chiquita Dragonforce.

>> No.912550

Rinnosuke is half human, half youkai.
No dragon there.

>> No.912551

sadly not a dragon

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Did someone say dragon?

>> No.912555

Yes she is. A celestial dragon.

>> No.912561

screenshot where?

>> No.912563

>>912517But to be fair... I know nothing about Vivit

>The, at last, the Kakutasu Company perfected Saboten Energy.
>Saboten Energy ? energy that far surpasses even atomic energy.
>Because of that, the crisis of the Earth’s run was able to be avoided.

>But, Saboten Energy is still unstable.
The energy is erratic, and it is said that it presents serious dangers.
>Due to the strength of that energy, the Kakutasu Company has also caused large accidents
>and for a short time were run to the verge of annihilation.

>Decades later, humanity succeeded in managing Saboten Energy, and once again prospered.
During that, the Kakutasu Company developed a human-model combat robot.
>It is not known whether it was the developer’s preference or not, but it is a maid-type
>Nevertheless, in testing it far surpassed the battle prowess of existing weaponry.

>> No.912565

Then Yuka she fights with no HAX powers, still she could bast a hole into a small moon.

For Flandre, every beeing is the same, but since it is HAX, I dont think she would use it, and if she uses it, it is too late. It seems that she does only use her power if its REALY needed by somebody else.

For Yukari, she can also fuck up stuff, but in an FAR greater scale, including herself. Its like you have the power of logic in your body but you are yet a Human/Mortal/Whatever.

Nothing beat the power to DESTRUCT anything in a "normal" sense.

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>> No.912572

And how does her power work? Large beams of death? Melee combat? Magic powers?
any kind of strange hax?

>> No.912573

lol Maido-type.

>> No.912574

I wont believe you

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Your problem.

Also: >>912596
See image.

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"A fan nickname in the Touhou English community for Tenshi is "Chiquita Dragonforce" due to the fact that she has fruit on her hat just like the Chiquita Brand Mascot does and due to a huge misconception when she was first introduced wherein it was thought she was a Dragon instead of a Celestial. Many also refer to her as simply "Peaches," for obvious reasons."


Not a dragon. But a heavenly stripper like Ran.

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The strongest

>> No.912614

>>912607 Species: Celestial
Says nothing about not being a celestial dragon.

>> No.912617

>Suika controls her own density, thats why she is powerful.
This is incorrect. Suika can manipulate the density of EVERYTHING. This is how she is able to bring together everyone in Gensokyo for the non-stop parties in IaMP.

>> No.912618

>>912607 Tenshi's given name can also be read "Tenko." As a result, Tenko is a fan nickname for her, and she sometimes participates in Ran Yakumo's Super Tenko running gag.
>and she sometimes participates in Ran Yakumo's Super Tenko running gag.
>Ran Yakumo's Super Tenko running gag.
>Super Tenko

>> No.912628

why does teh word super makes you rage?

>> No.912637


My eyes are melting your face through the internet right now.

>> No.912638

If you had lurked enough you'd know.

>> No.912642


>> No.912662

I don`t get it

>> No.912664

lurk more

>> No.912673

no I`m way too lazy

>> No.912675

sucessfull derail is scessfull

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>> No.912687

We've already had this topid like a billion times, everytime it comes down to:
Most powerful hax: Yukari.
Most powerful physically: Suika.
Purely destructive power: Flandre.
Yuka's somewhere in there, but she doesn't stand out in one area or another, she's just overall really really powerful.
Other characters can have insanely hax abilities without being so "powerful" per se, like Yuyuko.

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So I take it Shikieiki and Komachi aren't in the running for strongest characters?

>> No.912692

what about Bananarama?

>> No.912696

They're running for most pretentious moralfag and greatest cleavage.

>> No.912705

absolote dominion over souls
untouchable by ANY power

her nly drawback is low combat power

>> No.912708

Just give the explanation and be done with it

>> No.912719

Ran's nickname is SUPPA TENKO, not super

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>SUPPA TENKO, not super

>> No.912727

Go there and read. Again.

>> No.912740


It's HAATO, not HEART.

>> No.912741

Canon sucks. Fanon is variable.

>> No.912748

Suppa =/= Super in any way

>> No.912767

Super is "supaa".

Supaa != suppa

But it's close.

>> No.912770

Fanon sux

>> No.912771
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Do you like SUPPATENKO?
YES �@� NO

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Let's enjoy together SUPPATENKO!

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Well fome the games we know that she has something like a vector trap (ZoE)with every conceivable weapon in it stuf like guns, big ass lasers flame trowers portable WMD launcher and so on.
She can also shot homing lasers and plasma shots fom her hands and she has these funnel (gundam) like things.
One of her attacks is an orbital bonbardment and in one she floods the entire area with energi atomizing everything but herself.
As for hax she can manipulate reality to what extent I don't know but the last part of Shuusou Goyku is is a land of concepts and intangible things she can jump from dimension to dimension and her wings are some type of weird hax magic.
And thats all I know

>> No.912864

so she can easily rape Dragongall Z characters in terms of firepower? and some Touhou characters in haxpower.

OH GOD I`m in love

>> No.912865

>>912852 shot homing lasers

>> No.912876

guided Kamehameha

>> No.912878

>so she can easily rape Dragongall Z characters in terms of firepower
As much as I dislike DBZ, lolno. DBZ characters are retardedly strong due to the power creeping that's ben going on since the classic DB.

>> No.912908

Genki dama being the DB equivalent of master spark.

>> No.912936

moar like final spark

>> No.912945

DBZ powerups were lame like hell. LOL my aura glows grighter I can desrtoy the galaxy now!

>> No.912948

DBZ powerups were lame like hell. LOL my aura glows brighter I can destroy the galaxy now!

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There happy?
She still has homing lasers.

>> No.913070

is this game english patched?

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Like most of touhou no but DL it its fun.
But thats Seihou 3 play 1 and 2 first.

>> No.913245

why? I wont get anything of the sory anyways

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