AKB48: The New Japanese Fascism

[Anonymous No.]

You can't deny this:

http://tokyoraconteur.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/akb48-the-new-japanese-fascism/

Anime and manga have the exact same problem just look at this season's anime. It's crap.

(Picture unrelated. I don't have many pictures in my folder).

[Anonymous No.]

>Anime and manga have the exact same problem just look at this season's anime. It's crap.

I hear you, br/a/h. Let's discuss this shit, ftw.

[Anonymous No.]

that article is super gay, dude

[Anonymous No.]

>Anime and manga have the exact same problem just look at this season's anime. It's crap.

Right on ANNbro!

[Anonymous No.]

whoa nigga, do you really expect me to read all this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085626
>>9085630
I was just saying. Videogames are in the same shithole. Just take a look at The Idolm@ster.
And it's not like you have anything better to do than post on /jp/ on a tuesday morning.

[Anonymous No.]

This season of anime is awesome, you faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

Every new season is 'the worst season ever'. It's like listening to the melancholic cries of the Toonami generation about how 'moe killed anime'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085616
Just finished reading it, although the semiotic references are somehow forced (looks like the last book he read was about that and he was eager to vomit it somewhere) I agree with most of what he says.

Indeed, japanese pop culture is a commercial aberration creating idiots

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085616
that article is dumb. criticise Japanese idols for being manufactured, then praise K-POP which is just as manufactured.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085685
the point------------------------------------------------------------>you

Read again you dense motherfucker, they said that k-pop had a global media appeal, while j-pop is endemic to japan and not mainstream outside as k-pop is

[Anonymous No.]

>The performers are not the beneficiaries of the group’s success either; many earn as little as ¥100,000 per month
i dont like akb48 but this statement is a blatant lie.
There is no way they are only making 100k a month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085703
It's possible for the non-senbatsu members.

[Anonymous No.]

Pop artists are manufactured and aim to please and make fortunes. News at 11.
Don't miss tomorrow's special report: A 20-year investigation says that people with money want more money and use whatever means they have available to get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085717
NO FUCKING WAY!!!111!!

[Anonymous No.]

>The puerile poster for a new AKB48 documentary film released in January showed only the idols in short skirts, huddled in a circle, an image created purely to show their young and prepubescent bodies.
Is he talking about this? Yeah man, it's so fucking lewd.

While I agree on some points, it's hard to take a blog that reeks of so much cynicism that is written in a tone that only encompasses pessimism while rolling one blanket statement after the other entirely seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>K-pop
>mainstream

Nothing is mainstream anymore.
The internet killed mainstream.
Everyone does their own little thing...

their own shitty little thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085685
>then praise K-POP which is just as manufactured.

kpop is better than jpop. the girls in kpop are much better-looking also.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085723
Sure. You yourself must be so positive and friendly to hate all that cynicism and pessimism.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does he insult der fuhrer?

[ｱﾉﾝｵﾌﾊﾞﾝｺｸ No.]

>k-pop
>better than anything ever

[ｱﾉﾝｵﾌﾊﾞﾝｺｸ No.]

>k-pop
>global appeal

[Anonymous No.]

Why are you still watching anime? Grow up and get another hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085750
It's the same. Everything with electronic bubblepop music and shit.

The difference is that JPOP idols only focus on Japan, and they don't plan to expand worldwide.

Look at KPOP idols, they sometimes start on different countries where they risk success. (WonderGirls had a great start, ended shortly following US tour).

And KPOP idols are a dime a dozen. Almost every month, there's a new group in town. Manufactured looks, with one special member to stand out. Sometimes not being able to sing/dance as well as others, a mascot character perhaps.

Also, KPOP idols have slave contracts vs JPOP idols wherein they can quit anytime (on a group) but not easily on an agency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085767
I don't. I don't watch anime but c'mon... don't tell me you haven't heard any news about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085750
K-pop is another "shitty little thing"
that many people are into these days.

No, it's not better than J-pop.
K2G, Ue O Muite, Shabondama, Spring Sensation, etc. are proof of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085750
when you impregnate a woman beautified by plastic surgery, your children will remain ugly.

I don't find the thought of that beautiful at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085690
because Japanese aren't buttanal hwabyeong in viral marketing their trash overseas, by spamming webpages and faking youtube views

K-POP "popularity" overseas is a farce, a sham.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085778
Maybe cause you're ugly as hell

[Anonymous No.]

The only reason why KPOP is more popular is because the girls are hot.
People only like gee gee gee gee because they wear hot pants and show off their butt.
It has nothing to do with musical talent.

Japan girls dont appel to their fans with hot or sexy. They appeal using their cuteness which of course doesnt work well with the west.
To me both of them are shit.
They are nothing compare to Chiaya, Haruka and gang.

[Anonymous No.]

Did anybody read the actual article ???

He is right because AKB48 appeals to the otaku and not the mainstream in Japan. But because of the success of formula of AKB48 which is fueled by the obsessive nature of otaku (by buying multiple copies of a single/album), AKB48 has become amazingly successful sales-wise but it is still not the mainstream. So other companies want the same success as AKB48, so they follow the same formula of AKB48 appealing to this 'niche' of fans bringing j-pop further away from the Japanese mainstream (and the mainstream of the world)

That is why J-pop has absolutely no appeal outside of Japan.

[ｱﾉﾝｵﾌﾊﾞﾝｺｸ No.]

>>9085782
fucking this

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085616
Pop idols manufactured for the sole purpose of making people buy shit? Whoa! stop the damn presses! hold the fucking phone!

This is nothing new and hardly unique to Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085787
I ain't reading all that shit nigga

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085768
>they don't plan to expand worldwide

BULLSHIT. They do. All of them do. J-pop is the same shit as K-pop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085783
What did you say about me faggot? I'll let you know that navy seals etc etc

Seriously though, the point of seeking a healthy, beautiful mate is to ensure genetically that your children are healthy and beautiful. It's an innate, instinctual drive. You can avoid the point all you want by going "LoL U muzt b NECK-BERD LOL UGLY EEWWWWW", but you're only cheating yourself.

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>>9085754
The problem is it crosses the line and just comes across as pessimistic sensationalism. If you're going to write something in manner you at least look at it from more than one perspective, instead of drowning out every valid point you make (and he did make valid point) in a writing style that make it sound everything is rotten in the world.

The final picture really is the cherry on the top.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085658
/jp/ is the best thing you can do on a Tuesday morning, cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085787
That's why Heavy Rotation is the most popular karaoke song in Japan, right ?

[Anonymous No.]

Well, in the case of AKB48, aren’t they rather looking at making local versions across Asia rather than exporting AKB48 itself? There’s an Indonesian version I think, and aren’t they working on a Taiwanese version?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085787
but J-POP does not intend to be conquestive. (I know, that's not a word. It's 1AM.)

J-POP caters to a specific demographic. K-POP wants to "spread and rule the world, tell everyone how STRONG and MIGHTY motherland Corea is"

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085754
The problem is it crosses the line and just comes across as pessimistic sensationalism. If you're going to write something in this manner you at least look at it from more than one perspective, instead of drowning out every valid point you make (and he did make valid points) in a writing style that makes it sound everything is rotten in the world.

The final picture really is the cherry on the top. It's a cheap way to further his own statements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085805
Also Shanghai one

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085787
Taiwan eats up anything Japan makes. This isn't the original intention of J-POP, which is suited for the domestic market, but somehow they accidentally the whole thing and ended up doing well in Taiwan anyway.

K-POP strives to be exported; it's as if it is its goal to be exported. People claim that the world eats up K-POP, but I honestly doubt those claims.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085774
>don't tell me you haven't heard any news about it.

If we didn't watch anime, why would we read news about it? Even if some people here want to stay in touch with the outside world and read general news websites, I doubt the BBC or Reuters or CNN ran a story on this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085805
That's called "metastasis".

[Anonymous No.]

even Morning Musume is better than AKB48

[Anonymous No.]

>K-POP
>good
>fuck off with my quoting spoilers etc etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085810

>makes it sound everything is rotten in the world.

Are you even serious? I don't want to get into a personal argument but your point of view sounds really childish. What are you trying to defend exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

That article would have sound a lot smarter if he didn't made a forceful and retarded comparison between capitalism/consummism and fascism

His arguments are also flawed in his assumption that the japanese "hive mind" is a recent phenomenon or talking as if idols and visual bands (who only sell for their look and not for any kind of talent) didn't exist 20 years ago.

[ｱﾉﾝｵﾌﾊﾞﾝｺｸ No.]

>implying you don't like this
http://youtu.be/vNIzemwvyTE

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085839
>>>implying you don't like this

I hate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085839
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Sounds lewd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085838
>or talking as if idols and visual bands (who only sell for their look and not for any kind of talent) didn't exist 20 years ago.

Those idols/musical acts were mainstream. AKB48 isnt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085846
Underage pls go

[Anonymous No.]

From the article in the OP

This is why AKB48 has amazing sales

[Anonymous No.]

>y showed only the idols in short skirts, huddled in a circle, an image created purely to show their young and prepubescent bodies.
Does the author even know what prepubescent means? They are all quite clearly pubescent.

I haven't known of any good bands of prepubescent girls since Karen Girl's broke up. (Anyone know of any current ones?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085852
I’m sorry I don’t have an account.
I used to have one years ago I think.

[Anonymous No.]

lemme guess, the blogger is some ultra liberal fag with irrelevant opinions. Am I correct?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085846
>Sounds lewd

Do you expect anything less from AKB48?

[ｱﾉﾝｵﾌﾊﾞﾝｺｸ No.]

>>9085860
everything involving women under the age of 32 are CP by normalfag standard
you never know that son?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085865
http://youtu.be/pizw3Wf8MHM

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085818
>stay in touch with the outside world
>BBC
>Reuters
>CNN

I think you're underage. And if you aren't, you still have the mentality of one. Which worries me even more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085869
>801 dislikes

Not enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085847
AKB48 is as mainstream as it gets right now, atleast from the musical side of view. Otaku alone couldn't generate all those buys and right now alot of them are actually turning away from the group as they became to mainstream for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085885
This. It's even more mainstream than "gaming" and "lol nerd culture" in the US.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085854
Idol otaku are pretty insane.

But you don't break all-time sales records left and right without the mainstream behind you, it can't happen. The mainstream love AKB as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085885
no it is not.

Mainstream = men and women
AKB48's niche = a certain segment of the male population in Japan

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[Anonymous No.]

>>9085863
That's so american. Trying to classify someone you don't agree with into some sort of square instead of building up sound arguments to refute your opponent, so you can shut your mind and stay in your little world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085616
>While Korean pop bands are appealing to global audiences and even appearing on American network TV, the advent of AKB48 has contributed to, or even spearheaded, an endemically domestication of Japanese pop culture, watched with curiosity and perplexity by overseas media.

The only foreigners who truly like them are fringe “geeks”. Meanwhile the local demographic is forced into an increasingly non-diverse mold.

Yup

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085768
>The difference is that JPOP idols only focus on Japan, and they don't plan to expand worldwide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JKT48

[Anonymous No.]

>"While Korean pop bands are appealing to global audiences and even appearing on American network TV, the advent of AKB48 has contributed to, or even spearheaded, an endemically domestication of Japanese pop culture, watched with curiosity and perplexity by overseas media. The only foreigners who truly like them are fringe geeks. Meanwhile the local demographic is forced into an increasingly non-diverse mold."

Yup

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085919
Cool reliable source bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085898
Mainstream is an umbrella term that can be made to fit any definition. People complain that Call of Duty is too "mainstream", yet my 70yo grandma doesn't play it.

[Anonymous No.]

Meh, it's pretty much the same with American pop stars, isn't it? Just look at all these Disney manufactured idols. They have basically all the same image.

Mainstream pop culture is to blame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085930
http://www.jkt48.com/index-jp.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085898
Let me ask you one thing: Is your entire knowledge of AKBs fanbase based on OPs article? Because they do have a shitload of teenage girls as fans who think they're cool as fuck and admire them. And no, the blatant sexualization doesn't put them off, much like Britney Spears blatant sexualization didn't put female fans off back in the days. They're the same as early 00's Morning Musume or Perfume at this point, once you have a idol group that gets big success and is featured heavily in the mainstream media they'll get hordes of teenage fans simply for the "it's popular so it's cool" factor. Hell, even a group like Momoiro Clover Z is now getting them, despite being much more fringe compared to AKB.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085690
>j-pop is endemic to japan and not mainstream outside

Which is why Puffy AmiYumi had a show on Cartoon Network,everyone knows Utada Hikaru,AKB48 had a concert in Washington and Miku is a big thing in the U.S now having been in Toyota commercials.

This guy is fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085834
>What are you trying to defend exactly?
Jack shit actually, I don't even like AKB48 and It's just that this writing style pisses me off.

I'll say it again, it's not that I entirely disagree with the article, but it's completely gloomy. It's impossible the feel that the author isn't speaking mostly from opinion instead of writing about facts. The part about the poster being a pretty good example of this.

>>9085898
You don't get 12 million records sold and hit the number one spot multiple times from "a certain segment of the male population in Japan".

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085962
>>9085958
(not the person you're replying to, but)

I agree, they do definitely have a mainstream appeal, including both gender demographics. However, sales are still shockingly low compared to even 10 years ago.

I like this article a bit more than the OP's: http://neojaponisme.com/2011/12/01/the-great-shift-in-japanese-pop-culture-part-four/

Especially the part about "winning by default".

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085945
The OP article states a very interesting point:

>elections, events, where fans vote for which sect leader they wish to move up in the ranks
>[Fans] are encouraged (commanded) to buy multiple copies of merchandise (one fan notoriously personally bought 5,500 copies of the same single)

They are basically screaming "BUY BUY" without even trying to hide it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085962
>it's not that I entirely disagree with the article, but it's completely gloomy.

Whether the article is gloomy or not is completely irrelevant if you focus on what really matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085969
>I agree, they do definitely have a mainstream appeal, including both gender demographics. However, sales are still shockingly low compared to even 10 years ago.

The recession could play into this, the entire entertainment industry in Japan seems to suffer from lower sales and attendance figures these days.
And btw, I'm not even a fan of AKB, but this bashing just for the sake of bashing rustles my jimmies. I also don't like the focus on oversexualization, but that's not different from other J-, K-, or western Pop acts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085782
Esports. When a tournament in Las Vegas is playing KPop between matches you can't really say they aren't getting exposure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086009

>this bashing just for the sake of bashing rustles my jimmies.

Funny. That actually soothes my nerves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086009
>And btw, I'm not even a fan of AKB, but this bashing just for the sake of bashing rustles my jimmies.

That means your opinion biased. If the article were the other way around, you'd be bashing at AKB48 at this moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086036
that doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense...

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086006
Looks like I have to reiterate again:
When you write an article that's too negative, your disgruntled tone begins to overshadow your legitimate points. It starts to come across less about raising facts against the issue, and more about your opinion - with a tinge of bias. There is a line; which he crossed.

Basically, it's a bad writing style often used to generate views and conversation. Anyone unsuspecting adopts those views without doing the research themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

Whether you like jpop or kpop, i think we can all agree the girls in kpop idol groups are so much hotter than the girls in jpop idol groups

Here is Girls Generation (SNSD)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086089
they all look the same. Seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086089
Yum Yum Yum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7nWRNzMzVI

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086096

SNSD live in Tokyo DVD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIgFq5kAE0E

Where the vast majority of their fans are females

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086089

I used to really like SNSD so much but once they shifted from their cute image to a sexy one, I dropped them. There's such a thing as too sexy for mainstream culture.

In AKB, I see sexy scenes but the girls act cutesy so it tends to even out. Even while wearing skimpy clothes.

I hated YoonA since then.

[Anonymous No.]

The whole scene in general needs to die.

>hurf durf normalfag
>Am I cool yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086113
>I hated YoonA since then.

Is there one jpop idol girl that can match the beauty of Yoona?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086137

I don't even understand her appeal. Fany/Sunny for cuteness, YuRi for sex appeal and SeoHyun/Jessica for beauty.

All I know is that her singing is subpar, dancing is meh and that she does a lot of dramas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085876
Explain? Really, I don't get it.

Those were just random news sources off the top of my head. No idea if they're good or bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086137

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086154
>dancing is meh

I dont disagree with your points except for the dancing part. See below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFXweSxnA3A

[Anonymous No.]

Stop reading at "the exploitation of women yadda yadda"

Also why does the author hate cuteness so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086168

I don't consider grinding like that as really dancing. In SNSD only YuRi, SooYoung and HyoYeon dance good.

[Anonymous No.]

You faggots are paying these women to do absolutely nothing. Just lipsync to mass-produced pop music and stand around and exist. They have no human capital.

You know the hilarious part? They don't get any of the money. That all goes to the men in charge. Your waifus are starved and beaten.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085626
>I hear you, br/a/h. Let's discuss this shit, ftw.

We don't actually talk like that over in /a/.

The scum crawling in from other boards might. But we don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086213
Glad to hear some of you still conserve your common sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086089
the girls in kpop are hotter but i still like my jpop

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085616
The best thing I feel about getting a degree in literature is not that I learned how to manipulate people through writing but that I've learned how to not be manipulated.

This article is pure feminist propaganda and I'm happy to know nobody on /jp/ is dumb enough to fall for it. I fear for those who do.

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't the k-pop idols love performing in Japan and overseas exactly because of how much MORE they are paid in one night in Japan vs an entire tour in Korea?

what is this shit about beautiful women being underpaid? If they really were starving all they'd have to do is leech off a successful boyfriend for a while, get a degree in something that matters and then divorce and take half his shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085674
Stop dissing toonami you piece of shit. Some of us wouldn't have found anime if it wasn't for tom and I like moe too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086247
The article holds some level of truth. Every opinion can be considered manipulation depending on how you look at it, including your post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086256
Japan is the 2nd largest music market in the world. The US is #1

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086247
You needed to get a degree in literature not to be a sheep?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086247
You just proved OP's point: "You can't deny this".

Instead you're focusing on stigmatizing the guy from the article. Proving this guy's point>>9085911

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086263
How do you define the 'size' of a market? Because judged by revenue generated, the UK is the number two behind the US.

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>>9086261
I've read too much feminist literature to fall for this crap any longer. It's just regurgitating the same shit it's been shoveling for the last 50 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>Kpop

yeah no thanks. I'd rather put up with AKB48s business model manufactured to sell merchandise than Kpop's manufactured human beings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086321
How do you know that's real and not some internet nerd slander.

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>>9086293
Everything I read says Japan is # 2 in the world in terms of overall music sales

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_industry

[Anonymous No.]

Godwin right from the title?

No you can't listen to this Satanic Rock and roll bullshit because it's not music and will damn you to hell! No you can't listen to this jazz and blues stuff invented by some fucking niggers! No you can't listen to these heretic "scientists" who try to convince you that you are a descendant of monkeys! No you can't listen to these Christians because Zeus is the true ruler of heaven!

Move along, nothing to see here. No amount of pop media will destroy society. I find it funny that the article sort of tried to make stuff in the US look good in comparison. Because oh boy if that's the case enjoy your Jersey shore and Kardashians. I don't even what this AKB48 stuff is about (though I can guess, an army of idols shaking their hips and lip-synching) but I'm not convinced AKB48 will destroy society faster than whatever dumb shit that gave rise to anti-intellectualism in the US.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086345
You prefer the troll threads over this one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086345
I think this thread is more about where the entertainment industry is headed rather than society itself.

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>>9086345
>though I can guess, an army of idols shaking their hips and lip-synching

Another reason that kpop is better is not only are their idols are better-looking but they actually sing/have talent

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgq5rHQEbEk

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086384
You realize the irony of what you're saying? If you cared about music at all you wouldn't give a damn about idol shit. Being better than AKB48 doesn't mean it's not shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086384
that's a big difference between the two. The k-pop girls are trained and schooled for years and years before they're allowed to debut. Most of the J ones are real "girl next door" types that just went to some audition.

[Anonymous No.]

Pretty interesting how the main argument of this thread can be seen by some people.
There are those who argue about the issue in itself, those have changed the subject to defend their own personal interests, and then there are those sad fucks "internet heroes" >>9086345>>9086247 who are too worried about what the consensual opinion may be to actually say something for themselves; trying to sound like the empirical voice of reason while shouting "feminism, manipulation" and some other crap. Pretending to be part of the solution when they are the exact same problem they pretend to be fighting against.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086449
And there is the retarded you who give the middle finger to making sense or adding anything to the discussion, and just proceed to get your daily 2 minutes of shitposting and mudslinging.

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>>9086396
>You realize the irony of what you're saying?

What irony? I am not comparing idol pop music to death metal, (c)rap, country, or whatever 'music' you like.

I am comparing pop music to other pop music and all 'pop' music no matter in the East or West is manufactured. Guess what ... I dont have a problem with that because I like 'pop'. And the fact is that kpop is much superior to jpop (and western pop for that matter) in terms of dance, performance, singing, etc

See below for an example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMSY-UcQgQY

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/'s dark side...

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086512
(c)rap
Oh boy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085616
>This entry was posted in Uncategorized and tagged AKB48, Lolicon, Otaku. Bookmark the permalink.
>Lolicon

Guy's an idiot. People listen to shit music. Otakus listen to shit otaku music.
Get over it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086525
>Otakus

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085860
He probably has to throw as much shit as possible.

You just have to throw enough shit for some of it to stick.

Moral panic about pedophiles is perfect for this.

[Anonymous No.]

Glorious Girls Generation vs AKB48

A picture shows more than words can do

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085969
>The otaku spend their time as avaricious collectors of goods and trading information with other otaku. In shunning away from mainstream standards of sociability, sexuality, and career success, the act of maniacal consumption becomes their raison d’être.
Why are these bloggers so full of shit?
They're pseudo-intellectual who probably were anime fans, and then felt the need to stand "above" that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086549
Nah, the article just says that they're using the lolicon element as another cheap tool to make money. It's pretty much what this guy says>>9085717

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086557
>Glorious Girls Generation vs AKB48

If you thought the pic was a optical illusion, see this gif

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086566
Yet he has to repeat that bit (and about "seuxalization") multiple times. He goes as far as writing something about "barely pubescent" girls, and tagged the article lolicon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086564
Sup bro?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086567
if they were taller the "lolicon effect" wouldn't work anymore you dumb retard

these idols were chosen to be small for that appeal

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085860
Most of them are around 140,150,160 cm tall. He must be talking about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086587
He's right, though. None of you fucks actually care about the musical aspect of it. Because you know it's just mass-produced shit made for the sole purpose of greed.

And you continue to fall for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086557
>>9086567
Back to /ko/, chon.
The only way you can get your impure idols on television is to buy a broadcast station.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086564
I can't see anything wrong with that statement.
Unless there is an implicit assumption that consumption as a raison d'etre is a phenomenon exclusively involving otaku.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086600
>you
I don't like AKB or j-pop at all. Save your personal attack for someone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086597
>>9086599
>these idols were chosen to be small for that appeal
Fascinating. Wouldn't it be easier to just chose idols of a younger age instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086587

>one fan notoriously personally bought 5,500 copies of the same single
>pic>>9085854

>>9086600
FINALLY. Someone who gets it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086624
>FINALLY. Someone who gets it.

Wait... you mean it wasn't obvious? I mean... is there really someone who fans over AKB48 just for the music?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086512
When the hell did the corean agitators find 4chan? I thought we were safe here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086618
The newest and younger members have 13 years old. Most of the current members started when they were 15-17 (as far as I know).

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086624
What are you suggesting?
That lolicons have more money?
Why wouldn't they buy junior idol shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086601
>impure idols
LOL!
Says the mongrel monkey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086600
Obvious "/jp/ is one person" mentality aside, tell me mr.special snowflake, have you stopped consuming all kinds of fiction and media that are either made for the sake of profit or cater to the lowest common denominator? Are you reading the Blood in the sun trilogy or Finnegans wake right now? Have you stopped watching your chinese am I kawaii cartoons?

A new level of faggotry is reached once you pretend your shit doesn't smell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086601
>Back to /ko/, chon.

Considering Girls Generation sold over 1 million albums in 2011 (and tons of singles/dvd) in Japan and held a 12 city soldout Japanese 2011 concert tour with over 150k people attending, why arent relevant to this discussion if the Japanese people love them?

In addition, the author of the article purposely brought up kpop to contrast it with jpop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086632
Apparently. There some people here that are trying to defend this for whatever reason. The article from the OP's post is written in such a blatant and violent way, I think most people here got offended by just that fact. So I think this has gotten personal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085728
>>9085776
>>9085782
>>9086633
Same jap delusion.
Same bullshiting.

Yep, same monkey.

Picture related.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck AKB and SNSD, real man listen to Momoclo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086708
>men

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086667
The japanese people love them as much as /a/ and /jp/ love One Piece. You are going to find enough fans to sell all the tickets to, no doubt.

>1 million albums in 2011
Compare that to
>Hit all-girl idol group AKB48’s newest album, “Flying Get,” set a Japanese music industry record of over 1 million albums sold on the first day of its release on Tuesday
So no, they are not on the same level of popularity as AKB48. This discussion is about AKB48 and the terrible things it has done to our glorious nihon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086708
It's all the same label

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086717
see
>>9085854

Go buy more copies of your shitty albums.

[Anonymous No.]

I've never been interested in J-Pop. The only reason I'd listen to it at all is because it is used as a soundtrack.
From what little I've heard, it sounds mostly the same and not very interesting.
Is there anything at all that I am missing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086747
I only listen to OSTs myself and never  care about what jpop actually is. I usually prefer the instrumental pieces anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086708
Momokuro don't count, they're pretty much an idol parody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GAn5PoJx-k

[Anonymous No.]

I agree that the idea of "innocent lewd" or however one may phrase it is an insult and a mockery to the very concept of purity. Thats all I can think of to say on this, though.

[Anonymous No.]

The author from OP's article is a jackass. The music industry worldwide has ALWAYS worked that way. Oversexualization? Madonna did it ages before.
It's exactly like those idiots who start saying Justin Bieber and the Disney singers are killing music, and never spending a single penny in an album made by a "true artist". Newsflash! The music industry is a FUCKING industry. It's designed to sell.

[Anonymous No.]

>It is a fetishization of the infantile, mawkishly smothering us everywhere we turn: on every billboard, every TV ad, every magazine. It degrades the intellect and celebrates obedience to the cute, the sweet, the pubescent.
Looks like someone has a problem with Japan's culture of cute.

Either way, I think posting the definition of fascism and mentioning how he failed to explain why this media consumerism circus is supposed to be fascism is enough to ridicule the article:
>Fascism (play /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics.[3][4] Fascism seeks to purify the nation of foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture.

[Anonymous No.]

Did they mistranslate what Noel said or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086089
Oh wow, did they hire the same surgeon who used the same mould for their plastic surgeries? I can't even tell them apart, this shit is hilarious.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>9086882
>Koreans
>K

Corean detected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086842

The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable". - George Orwell

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085690
>k-pop had a global media appeal
not really, k-pop is even worse than j-pop. k-pop is only relevant in southeast asia.

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Producer.

[Anonymous No.]

I, for one, can't wait to see the kawaii mascot of Japan's neo-fascist regime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086113
same here, cute SNSD was best.

[Anonymous No.]

I dont like kpop because korean is a ugly as fuck language to listen to, especially compared to japanese. seriously, sounds like your choking on a dick when you sing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086824
This. Like a few said before, the author just wrote this under an agenda to bash "cuteness in Japan"

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085616
God, the guy's a pedo, a Corean, uses big words he doesn't understand, and sounds like a teenager who had just discovered that "mass media are controlling the mindless sheeple". Could he possibly get any more pathetic?

[Anonymous No.]

Remember when idols had real talent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086957

Idols never had talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086957
no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086904
Oh, okay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnRPEBqor2k

[Anonymous No.]

Fur den Endsïeg!

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

>>9086993
Dem Akimoto Friedenszeichen wir die Hand♪

[Anonymous No.]

>Dem Akimoto Friedenszeichen wir die Hand
I am positive that most of these words are German, but I think I need something to explain to me what this is supposed to mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087041
It's missing a verb. Nonsense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087041
>I need something
That should be 'somebody'.
I guess I'm going to need help with the English language next.

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

>>9087041
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRp_ZR0tX6Y

I took something from this song about raising your hand to Hitler and made it about peace-signing at Akimoto. My grammar was terrible though. I cannot actually speak German after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087065
I thought it was that song.
But you have NO idea what it is about.
Hitler is right wing. Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg are left wing.
Friedenszeichen is also not a verb.

[Anonymous No.]

Did that faggot really need a huge article to tell people what they already know about pop music?

Over in the states, we have shit like Lady Gaga. Over there, there's AKB48. At least AKB48 has lolicon appeal.

Don't try to blanket what's happening in popular music with anime. The logic behind "It's crap because I don't like it and AKB48 is popular" makes absolutely no fucking sense.

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

>>9087074
Did you even watch what I linked? That's actually the Hitler version of that song. I know the one you mean though but there's actually an even earlier version than the Luxemburg/Liebnicht one and it was about Kaiser Wilhelm.

I might not speak German but I know a hell of a lot about communism and European history, trust me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087084
Sorry, the song is not available in Germany, so I had to extrapolate from the fact that your text sounded familiar and I know the title.

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

>>9087090
Ah, I forgot about the censorship thing. No worries.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auf,_auf_zum_Kampf

You can read the lyrics of the different versions here at least. The nazis appropriated more than a few things from the left when it came to propaganda and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087090
They really still censor Hitler videos in Germany?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087103
>Dem Adolf Hitler reichen wir die Hand.
This is not the Hitler salute though. It is about a handshake.
"reichen" (first person plural of giving)
"Dem" is also refers to a male. I am not sure that's what you want.
For Friedenszeichen you really should use the English word peace sign, so a grammatically correct sentence of your meaning would be:
>Den (plural this time) Akimoto machen wir das Peace Sign. (which doesn't sound like the original anymore)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087132
Depending on its danger level, yes.
In fact, some time ago, they tried to outlaw the crossed out swastika. Lots of anti-nazi posters and stickers were destroyed because they bore the evil sign.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087138
Why do I keep using the quote function when I keep making additions to the sentence and forget entirely about the greentext?

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

>>9087138
I see. I was actually going to go with "V-Zeichen" at first. The grammatically correct version wouldn't work either way I suppose.

Also the guy I posted in >>9086913 is Akimoto, the producer of AKB48, who I am 99% sure is male.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087065
>http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=92571
Feels like a bad joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087153
>In fact, some time ago, they tried to outlaw the crossed out swastika.
That's a bit misleading. The crossed out swastika was illegal, because it was still showing a swastika. The censorship law didn't care that swastika was displayed in a negative context (i.e. crossed out). Welcome to Germany.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087190
>asukagermany.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087166
I don't know the first thing about AKB48.

[Anonymous No.]

Back to Kpop/Jpop for a moment I cannot believe that most /jp/ers act like /mu/ losers when it comes to music but oh well.

Anybody like the new Kpop group HelloVenus?
They have a girl with PASTEL GREEN hair and a blonde named ALICE also a group called Apink is more closely related to AKB48 than SNSD(I don't think they have a Japanese counter part maybe MM)

[Anonymous No.]

Blogger wants Japan to become exactly like Amurrika.
Whenever some shitty article like this get posted I understand why Japan is so sensitive about Gaijin finding out about their culture.
Funny how a country that's supposedly open to cultural differences really suck at reconciling said differences.

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

>>9087259
I looked them up just now and it's not really my thing. The only current Korean pop group I kind of like are Orange Caramel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SojvsEJlvf0

I like cute things too much to get into most kpop I guess. More like this would be nice. Otherwise, I'll probably just stick to my idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086864
>>9086882
>>9086889
>>9086937
That reaction image... You are that thai nigger arent you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087277
Orange Caramel is considered bad by Koreans and kpop fans.(They are a sub group of after school which is why people even comment most of the time)

Also Koreans refuse to accept jpop in Korea.
(Continued...)

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

>>9087324
>Orange Caramel is considered bad by Koreans and kpop fans

All the more reason for me to like them then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087279
>a country that's supposedly open to cultural differences
Amurrika? Fuck, no. They are good at integrating people into their culture, but that's it. Amurrika is all about spreading their own culture everywhere, if necessary, with forced treaties and bombs.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.tokyohive.com/2010/09/ske48-hopes-to-promote-in-korea-but-korean-netizens-arent-welcoming
/

(Continued from last post)

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087345
Nigga please, wars aren't about spreading culture.
Culture is spread by corporations. Spread culture, sell culture, make money.
Wars are from politicians. They pipe shit up each other's asses for years and years, and make stupid decisions to grab land and resources.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087367
It's also about spreading their sense of morals, and so on.
Culture doesn't just consist of entertainment.
Think about how JAVs are mosaic'ed thanks to the US involvement over 60 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

OP here. I left this thread at 12:30 PM thinking it was dead.
My god....

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087367
>Wars are from politicians.
My goodness you are naive.
The reason why Germany won't go on WW3 is because the corporations have realized world wars are a stupid idea. It's certainly not because Germans are suddenly nice people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087393
Is that why Germany defends its freedom in Afghanistan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087403
>Is that
What exactly are you referring to?
That corporations don't like world wars any more?
That Germans aren't nice people?
That you are naive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087393
>the corporations have realized world wars are a stupid idea.
Negro, please. German corporations profited greatly from WW2 and they all got away scot free.
Soviets actually wanted to put them on a trial, but never managed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087418
Germany went to war after over 50 years of not attacking anyone. It was a purely political decision. The German industry was producing weapons and selling them to failed states just fine, why join this war?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087422
American corporations also took profit from the post 9/11 attack wall street crash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087431
>purely political decision
Get real.

[Anonymous No.]

<丶｀∀´> your j-pop is disgusting choppari

[Anonymous No.]

I see. From what I can see the thread changed from here >>9086842 Then people started to talk about the sociocultural influence of their countries. And now the thread is changing to politics. Interesting change indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087509
/＼ヘヾｲ
|￣￣￣￣|　　
＼＿_＿／

[Anonymous No.]

I dont want to look at the op's link.


I dont want to sift though hndreds of posts. Can someone tell me what this thread is about?

[Anonymous No.]

I love the fact that there are two threads on the frontpage about the same subject but with different points of views. One bashing at AKB, and the other praising it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087558
I suggest you to open the link, read it, write your opinion, and wait for an answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087588
Alright let me take a look here.


>I hate AKB48. But not only AKB48, its talentless singers and its banal music. I hate the spectacle that AKB48 imposes and advances.

Hmm well it seems to me it is just some person stating there opinion and does not seem to be of any importance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087558
Really? You have so many things to do that you can't afford 10 minutes of your life in reading the article or the thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087637
Yes, my time is precious. There are games I need to grind on and material I need to masturbate to today and I am on a very tight schedule.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087642
Good luck, then. Try to fap twice a week so it doesn't consume too much of your precious time, and that will also make your orgasm more intense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087558
Blogger thinks AKB48 and otaku are gross, presents opinion as fact using flowery language. Points out that mostly Japanese people like a Japanese group and that pop music is commercialized. People say blogger is a jackass, blogger back-tracks his link (or is OP) to defend himself and challenge people to prove his opinion wrong (?). Now people are talking about nazis or something because they got tired of entertaining this guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087631
>Hmm well it seems to me it is just some person stating there opinion and does not seem to be of any importance.

If he only said that, I'd have nothing to say myself. It's the nonsensical correlation between AKB48 and a new surge of fascism and totalitarism in japan that makes me want to find him and put his irreversibly damanged brain out of its misery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087674
It's more than that. The dude actually has some points but he trash-talked AKB and these otakus didn't like it. The thread is pretty good because it focused on the main argument (see this guy for further explanation >>9086449), but as the time passes new posters join in and derail the main topic to their own ground.

The problem comes when noone has anything good to say and just focus on posting comments bashing the author instead of the article itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087681
Or the fact that he thinks lolicon gives rise to fascism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9086449
Why is calling the author a feminist bad, but calling other random posters "sad fucks "internet heroes"" good?

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

>>9087732
Your points are ridiculous and that's why everyone is bashing you. Pls go.

[Anonymous No.]

Even for /jp/ this is some pretty extreme autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087743
But you're the worst tripfag on this board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087743
What points? Those people are long gone. I was just reading the thread.

>Your points are ridiculous
You need more than that to prove someone wrong, friend. That's why the thread is so extensive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087734
You didn't read shit, didn't you?

[Anonymous No.]

These pink pseudo-communists always call anything they don't like "fascism." Nobody should take them seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087796
I won't hesitate to make the article look as stupid as it really is.

[Anonymous No.]

The thread is dead, though. Nobody is willing to argue anything anymore, now it's just about tossing shit to each other while having the support of other people who agree with you into one single thing. If we all agree then there's no need to think anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: moronic ignorant faggots who "criticize" without any real backup to their statements.


I'm not a fan of AKB48 itself but I follow the Japanese mainstream media thoroughly. The 5,500 copies guy was just a reseller. Just who in their right mind would buy thousands of CDs ? This just shows how much thought was put into the article before writing it. Intolerable and disgusting.

What a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>Your shitty mass-produced uncreative music that doesn't even focus on the audio aspect is called generic shit
>"ff...fuck you and go back to /mu/! You're just a hipster!"

Oh, /jp/. Never change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087877
>The 5,500 copies guy was just a reseller.
So the blogger did a shitkaku? Or even mindlessly copied from shitkaku?
Good to know.

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>9085616
>You can't deny this:

Oh, but I can.

>I hate AKB48. But not only AKB48, its talentless singers and its banal music.

Blogger states his position and real reason for bashing AKB and wota in the very first line of the blog entry. OK, bro, but the last time I checked taste in music was about as subjective as it gets. You can't "prove" your opinion so your whole argument gets tossed out the window.

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>9087899
>a spectacle of sacred consumerism
>ritualized artifice
>the consumption and propagation of image and its idolatry

Hyperverbiose rhetoric of the worst kind. Means absolutely nothing. Any aspect of visual culture can be attributed to the "consumption and propogation of image and its idolatry". Opinion again, and the selection of your forum couldn't be more deliberately incendiary.

What is the blogger's point here? Does he think he's going to change a wota's mind about pre-fab Japanese pop music? Good luck with that. You'd have better luck teaching a rhinocerous calligraphy. This is /mu/ level my opinion>your opinion bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087888
He wasn't a reseller. Anon just doesn't want his fake waifu to get called bad names.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087881
That it's generic shit isn't really the problem.
The problem is that this generic shit causes LOLICON FASCISM.

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>9087904
>fascism

Buzzwords galore. You have no idea what fascism is. You're bashing capitalism not fascism.

>Although the main idols of AKB48 are now in their early twenties, they are made in the “sign” of an underage, barely prepubescent girl.

Uh, no... The schoolgirl look has been co-opted by uniform fetishists for years. Which, by the way, AKB48 has played up in a number of ways with a number of different uniforms. This is hardly lolicon. Not to mention the majority of the idols are obviously physically demonstrative of women not little girls. If you're trying to single AKB48 out as attempting to sexualize their appearance any more than ANY female performer in the history of pop music you've got your work cut out for you.

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>9087911
>The government, however, seems oblivious or naive to this, or is rather in cahoots with the music executives.

Well, that's quite a myopic, if not disturbingly paranoiac perspective on the pop music industry. Perhaps it's just that you don't understand the culture you're "reporting" on. Perhaps you're choosing to demonize a style of music based on your personal opinion of its artistic merits.

>I hate AKB48. But not only AKB48, its talentless singers and its banal music.

Oh yeah. You are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087877
If you buy a product and resell it yourself don't you end up losing money? Anyway that guy's goal was to support his favorite idol. And he succeeded, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's go full Godwin.

This guy and the author have more in common than you'd think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087919
Your waifu doesn't love you and is starved and beaten on a daily basis by her managers. How does that make you feel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087910
The problem is that people are praising this shit with a fucking religious zeal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087909
>He wasn't a reseller.

Of course he wasnt a reseller. Resell what ... a commodity (music) that is avaliable for sale in every retail shop/music store in Japan?

It is typical wota/otaku behaviour that AKB48 promotes in which the girl - in this massive group of untalented nobodies - with the most sales gets special treatment/advantages, so that encourage bulk-buying from their 'fans'.

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>9087931
Wait, are you trying to say the blogger's point was some kind of vain "save the idols" propaganda?

Ha. That's cute.

Hey, I'm a wota. I'm gonna be the first one to tell you that it's hard work but there's a shitload of fringe benefits that those girls reap. I'm sorry. I don't feel sorry for them. It's... work.

>beaten

Wha?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085616
Okay from what I gathered
>AKB is a group of fake lolis who pretend to be prepubescent while being in their mid 20s
>There's a music video of some of the girls singing while naked in a shower
>Idol culture is a form of fascism
>This person is mad either because they are fake lolis or because pop music is just an excuse to make money off pretty women.

[Anonymous No.]

This whole fucking thread < http://aramatheydidnt.livejournal.com/3717705.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087938
Even that is not new. Have you ever talked to a teenager?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087958
>save the idols

I could give two shits about them. I just have a hard time trying to figure out how somebody could defend an industry so blatantly moronic.

[Anonymous No.]

facism is bad but i dont understand how a music can be facist?

[Anonymous No.]

OMG GUYS AKB IS GETTING TRASHED!

LET'S PUT THIS NAZIS IN THEIR PLACE.

Seriously grow the fuck up. AKB is shit you don't like it, you will never like it because every shit their produce is fucking awful. You just hate that someone had the balls to analyze thoroughly the kind of shit people with more than half a brain have to deal with. And there's no argument in that, period.

[Anonymous No.]

Threads like this always make me wish I had a controversial opinion or piece of news to share. When I post about games or characters or whatever, nobody cares ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087956
>They also launched an internet service that lets you create virtual babies with members from the group.

I thought idols were supposed to be acting like pure virgins and fans would get mad if they showed any signs of sexual related actions

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>9087977
Well, to be perfectly fair, I could give two shits about the industry side of anything. Defend the producers and managers and shit? HELL no. Those guys can suck my dick off. They already get enough of my money because I'm a fan of their product.

The thing is I like cute girls dressed in cute outfits singing cute songs about cute things.

So what's a n**** to do, feel me?

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>9087986
>caps everywhere
>Grow the fuck up
>bad spelling and grammar

Pipe down, junior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087324
>>9087354
>>9087509
>>9087546
Wrong.
If you see the comments of the Japanese "netizens" about kpop will see the same thing.
Also, Arashi and Kat-tun have thousands of fans in Korea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9087956
That's a good article.
Why? It doesn't try to convince us every second sentence that AKB48 will turn the world into 1984.

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

>>9087986
>AKB is shit you don't like it, you will never like it

My 20 copies of their latest single are telling me that I like them just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9085898
>>9085898

Ohwow. I'm totally impressed by your knowledge in this matter. I might just decided to take the door and leave.

See the logic of topping the charts with millions sales with the only support from men demographics? I bet you have have never even heard of fangirls. Christ sake, it's not even worth argueing back and forth when the opposing side is demented autistic fucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9088007
>>9088007
So wait, you would gladly sacrifice original things/things that actually involved creativity in exchange for an extension of the moeplague?

I don't get you, Mike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9088025
Thanks, tripfriend. When I grow up I want to be like you. Defending some girls I've never met before on the internet, while probably hating the new fads rising in my own culture.

[(″･ิ_･ิ)っ-̾ !DQN/aQg2wY No.]

>>9088051
Eh? I don't see why he has to choose one or the other.

Is there some sort of secret lair where creative artists and composers are sacrificed in order to please the idol gods or something?

[Y10NRDY !kxh.1oTAkU No.]

>>9088030
>My 20 copies of their latest single are telling me that I like them just fine.

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>>9087991
Hang in there, anon.

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>>9088052
>some girls I've never met before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98f2J7h-Ya0

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>>9088030
>My 20 copies of their latest single are telling me that I like them just fine.

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>>9088049
Enjoy your virtual baby.

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>>9088063
I don't follow idols, but I always assumed they'd be somehow different from Western equivalents.

Yet I watch this, and all I can think of is shows like America's Next Top Model.

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>>9088052
>Defending some girls I've never met before on the internet, while probably hating the new fads rising in my own culture.

Yes, son. Believe it or not someday it won't matter if someone likes what you don't like.

Won't that be nice?

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>Anime and manga have the exact same problem just look at this season's anime. It's crap.
It's impossible to take you seriously when you call the best season in a long time "crap."

Anyways, I like AKB0048 and other 2D representations of idols so I've been thinking about getting into real idols. Where do I start?

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>>9085854
>Anecdotal evidence being misused as proof of anything

Yeah, let me show you the secret of S/mileage's amazing CD sales. Oh wait...

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>>9085898
>still pretending AKB48 is niche in Two-Thousand-Twelve

Meanwhile, in real life (as opposed to OP's little brain)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cRTgbto_aQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cKNpsUYrHI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE3wf2y9l58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1532x6IEc44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Df9hObPeg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6nrxCMLjrU

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>>9088073
These "stop hating what I like" people are even worse.

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>>9088079
>Best season
>Moeplague 2012

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>>9088055
>I don't see why he has to choose one or the other.

It's standard moe-hate logic: false dichotomies and begging the question. I have never seen a proponent against ota-culture use any clear, reasonable arguments.

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>>9088066
I usually only buy two or three copies but at election time I have to pull out all the stops, especially since I'm an undergirl fan and all.

>>9088079
>Where do I start?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg-fpJzFq5g

If this sort of thing interests you then I highly recommend grabbing the older episodes of AKBINGO, from 2008 onward, and gradually starting to watch the new ones as they're released each week.

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>>9088079
Shooting yourself.

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>>9088113
>moe-hate
>ota-culture

Jesus fucking christ kill yourself.

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>>9088123
Not him, but are we going to argue semantics now?

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>>9088079
I got into them through the music first. I had been listening to Morning Musume for three years before I had a favorite. I would probably recommend going on NND or YouTube and watching music videos. Get a sense of the old and the new. Start with AKB48 and Hello Project stuff. You can Google both of those and learn all the basic shit.

Eventually, a unit or a particular idol will endear itself to you more than the others and you'll probably start to want to know more stuff, trivia, fun facts about them.

I know a lot of people will hate me for saying this but Hello Online! has the best tracker for new videos and you can check out almost everything that comes out overseas including concert performances, music videos and albums and singles.

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>>9088110
It's like you haven't even watched any of this season's anime. Hell, even Upotte is not moe despite the whole premise of moe anthropomorphization.

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>>9088110
>moeplague

>>>/a/

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>>9088123
It's only a part of otaku culture, I know. I should have made the distinction between the two. Second part of my post was a generalization of earlier, as the only reason I even mentioned moe was because it was mentioned in the other post and is one of the most common "otaku" things hated on.

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>>9088142
>supporting moe

>>>/a/

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>>9088156
>Disliking cute girls doing cute things.

>>>/v/

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>>9088137
>Hell, even Upotte is not moe despite the whole premise of moe anthropomorphization.
What the fuck am I reading? Are you one of those retards who think moe is a genre? I got to accept that /a/ is full of such dumbasses, but I expected better from /jp/.

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moe is a fucking crime

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>>9088079
>Where do I start?

That's easy. You just have to be bored as FUCK and look for japanese crap on the internet. You'll eventually bump into something.

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>>9088156
Do you really have a problem with 90% of what we talk about here?

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>>9088159
>lol us otakus XD

>>>/12chan/

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>>9088168
Only the stuff we talk about here(aside from the shitty idol threads) have plots, characters, and other aspects and don't use "it's cute ^_^" as the world's largest fucking crutch.

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>>9088159
Moe is different from cute girls doing cute things.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080815163949/http://matthew.animeblogger.net/archives/2005/07/20/wednes
day_notes_akamatsu-sensei_talks_moe.php

If you want to retroactively apply this to something from the 80s or whatever, feel free. But you're WRONG.

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>>9088187
Yes, because touhou has always had an intricate, complex plot alongside well developed 3 Dimensional characters.

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>>9088160
Wouldn't his post suggest the opposite? That the show, despite being full of "moe" girls, doesn't incite the actual feelings?

>>9088171
I miss 12chan...

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>>9088199
>3 Dimensional characters
Why would a 2D shooter have 3D characters?

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>>9088187
You should have just said you were joking from the start.

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>>9088187
>plots, characters, and other aspects

Oh man, /a/ would love you.

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OP here (again). As I thought, the thread has taken another 90º direction. What are you on about now?

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>>9088187
I'm convinced that most of the people who say things like this, especially those who like using words like "we", don't actually participate in visual novel threads and so on due to spending all day refreshing /jp/ and complaining all the time rather than actually reading or playing anything /jp/-related.

Personally, I'm about to start Sora to Kumo to Kimi no Koi. Don't even try to tell me that I'm reading it for anything other than the cute female characters you fuck shit damn hell terrible poster you.

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>>9087986
That faggot didn't analize shit, he just borrowed old and tired arguments from some old JapanToday article (also authored by some K-Pop loving faggot who couldn't see the contraddiction in his arguments), cherrypicked them (since the sources already did it for him), made up some rules that don't exist even in the first place (IDOLS SHOULDNT BE ACTING MATURE!!!111!!!) so that he could complain about their infringement, then cranked up the hyperbole machine up to 12 (FASCISM IS AFOOT!!11) to make himself look like a pure uniqe misunderstood snowflake.

Why should we take seriously what's essentially a patchwork of other similarly misleading articles, especially since the author himself gives the impression he has no first-hand knowledge of the subject he's lashing out on?
We could discuss on an equal footing, but what assures me that all the talk and evidences against his theories won't fly right over his head since it's just shamelessly parroting someone's else (skewed and ridiculied) opinions?

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>>9088281
...nope. Same as always.

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Are the people against cute fucking homo or something?
Why would I watch stuff without cute girls?

I am not a faggot that like manly men.

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But seriously: fascism.

It's like some 15 year old faggot used words he doesn't know the meaning of just to sound more heavy and meaningful.

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>>9088311
I was honestly confused by the choice of word, as I couldn't understand how excessive capitalism would lead to fascism--in popular culture, no less. I had to check the dictionary to make sure I didn't misunderstand the concept.

Turns out OP was just a faggot like always.

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Some of you hate the article, some of you hate whoever contradicts your opinion, and toss shit to each other, but this is the kind of threads you visit /jp/ for. In the end you're all loving this.

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Hehe. The thread doesn't even bump anymore.

>>9088328
Thanks. I love you too.

Oh and by the way, I'm not the writer of the article. I was just looking for "japanese fascism" on google images and found the article by accident.

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>>9088346
True, I get a sort of indignant pleasure knowing that I am more intelligent and knowledgeable than other people, and from intellectually owning them. What about you? You must get some sort of satisfaction out of flaunting your ignorance.

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>Bash idol groups because they occasionally wear frilly dresses and pleated skirts, A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF MISOGYNY AND SEXUALIZATION OF THE INNOCENTS OH MY GOD ALSO FASCISM

>Praise KPop, which lets 14 year old little girls dance like this as a general practice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiKIy4vM6Q8

Amazing logic, indeed.

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>>9088453
Sexualization is better when it has universal appeal and isn't just for the otaku.

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>>9088479
>This turd is better than the other turd.
This is what you sound like.

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>>9088479

I hope your response was ironic and subtly supportive of my viewpoint, otherwise I might want you to redirect you to this
>>9088102

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>>9088500
>I hope your response was ironic and subtly supportive of my viewpoint
Of course it was. I also like how he admitted that j-pop does have international fans, and that he called them "fringe geeks". I guess k-pop fans are simply better than j-pop fans.

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>>9088479

>14 year olds in skintight tube dresses shaking their asses at the audience and spreading their legs to give gratuitous pantyshots as a sorry excuse for a "dance routine"
>universal appeal

Yeah, maybe among your jailmates.

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>>9088500
Your links just prove that only otaku like AKB.

Now fuck off please.

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>>9088548
You obviously have a very broad definition otaku, because the videos show people of all age groups and genres.
It seems that to you everyone who is a fan of an idol group and attends their events is obviously an otaku of the worst kind, which just proves you know fuck all.

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Most Japanese dislikes AKB48 and K-Pop.

AKB48 = K-Pop = Dentsu (ad agency)

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>>9088776
How terrible, someone actually having the bright idea of advertizing oneself.

Why can't they do it like the rest of world, who doesn't have to rely heavily on well-know music labels, influential entertainment gurus and expensive publicity and guerrilla concerts...

Oh wait...

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>>9085818

BBC did a story about K-pop a while ago actually

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J-Pop used to be churned out idols and seiyuus who thought they could make it big in the world of music by putting on some clothes and singing, they were disposed of with ease in a matter of months.

K-Pop was pretty much exactly the same, they saw how much money the Japanese market was making and copied them.

But J-Pop is better because aside from all the shitty churned out stuff, there are lots of good artists with good tracks that put pop music in every other corner of the world to shame.

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Everything Japanese is on a nosedive in recent years.

Anime feels watered down, J-Pop is especially watered down. Shitty light novels which are basically made for anime with ridiculous titles are being churned out.

Even all my favorite western bands have gone to shit. I'm talking the past 3 years or so here, no nostalgia nonsense, just a genuine decay of creativity everywhere.

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>>9089091
Sounds like depression.

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>>9089106

One of my favorite bands released an album in 2009ish when things started plummeting, it was very weak and the fans complained. Then a couple of years later they released another album basically admitting that the last album sucked and that this one would be a return to their roots.

It used the same production techniques, guitar effects and so on as their original popular stuff but it completely lacked soul and everyone noticed it. Now they're pretty much depressed, not updating their twitter and trying to do gigs featuring songs only from their old popular albums.

I won't say which band, because it's embarassing and not /jp/. But really...I think people have just given up being creative, nobody can get inspired anymore.

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>>9089124
That almost sounds like my favourite band. At least my favourite singer (part of that band) is still capable of writing good songs.