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We Westerners give the Japanese a hard time for not being able to say "L" but are there words or sounds in their culture that we butcher?

>> No.8978806 [DELETED] 
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8978806

west doesnt care about anything other than english

>> No.8978808

every word

>> No.8978814

Soft R sound

>> No.8978824

You forgot v, fi, the...

Also, they seem to switch p for b and vice-versa, a lot.

>> No.8978830

>are there words or sounds in their culture that we butcher
Most American's can't pronounce karaoke. I have no idea how the butcher it so hard.

CARRY O-KEY

>> No.8978828

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_dorso-palatal_velar_fricative

Get on our level.

>> No.8978832

Desu

>> No.8978835

>>8978814
There is no soft R sound in Japanese.

>> No.8978840
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>>8978832

Desu?

>> No.8978845

>>8978830
What's the correct pronounciation, carry-key?

>> No.8978853

>>8978808

>> No.8978851

>>8978845

Ka-RO-key

>> No.8978862

>>8978830
But that's an Englished word.
They (most, at least) are not trying to say it in native Japanese.

>> No.8978860

I have a quiet voice and problems with my tongue, so people often think I am saying things like "think" instead of "thing" and vice versa.

>> No.8978865

spanish here, i can pronounce every phonem, americans and asians suck at speaking

this is not otoko culture reported

>> No.8978871

Only English native speakers butcher Japanese. For speakers of languages with phonetics that aren't totally retarded Japanese is actually very easy to pronounce properly, since it has very clean and simple sounds, and very few of them. English speakers can't pronounce them because English has almost no clean sounds at all.

>> No.8978978

We butcher the vowels pretty much, the sustained syllables, the n

How the fuck did it become "tempura" with an M by the way

>> No.8978998

Meanwhile every westerner can't even into spanish that shares many similarities with english

>> No.8979003

Schwa.

>> No.8979012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA

Pretty much all the ones that don't have an English language example.

>> No.8979036

Every vocal.

>> No.8979049

People call TeX ``teks''.

>> No.8979078

>>8978978
>How the fuck did it become "tempura" with an M by the way

That's how Japanese pronounce it, though. ん　bekomes M when it stands before B or P.

>> No.8979109

>>8979078
This is what fansubbers actually believe.

>> No.8979124

>>8979109
No, that's just the way phonetics work. You need to bring your lips together to make the b- or p- sound, which changes n- sounds into m-.

>> No.8979140

plosives a shit

>> No.8979136

>>8979109

It's actually one of the first rules you learn when you learn Japanese. But whatever, I'm sure you know it better.

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8979509

Is this thread a troll? Japanese doesn't have silent letters or weird pronunciations. It's pronounced exactly how it's spelled. Karaoke is ka ra o ke. Tsunami is tsu na mi.
a = ah as in hot
i = ee as in heat
u = uu as in do
e = eh as in bed
o = oh as in toe

>> No.8979539

>>8979509
>ah as in hot

>> No.8979602

>>8979539
a as in knot

fucking eurocunts

>> No.8979620

we can say every sound they have, it's our accent but that can be fixed

>> No.8979631

>>8979602
naught?

>> No.8979638

If Japanese doesn't have silent letters how come they omit the "u" sound some times?

>> No.8979643

>>8979509
Some words look crazy to pronounce, like the name Inoue, but turn out easy as hell.

>> No.8979672

>>8979638
u-sounds and "shi" are the only exceptions.
And "u" is only if it's "part of a larger sound", and not "u" by itself.
And since the missing sound could only possibly be "u", it doesn't really cause any problems.

>> No.8979769

>>8979631
It's ah, you know fucking ah. ah. Except Japanese sounds are short and clipped with no drawl.

u is not omitted. It's whispered in the middle or end of some words to make it easier to pronounce. After an o, it means you say o again.

>> No.8979801

Karate
Tsunami
Karaoke

You know, every single one we use.

>> No.8979811
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8979811

nips butcher english in their accent, vice versa

thread's over, move along

>> No.8980000

English is a shit language. Why do you say the kara in karaoke and karate two different ways?

>> No.8980015
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8980015

>>8979509
．．．

>> No.8980011

As a native german I'm able to emulate most phonetics.

>> No.8980035

>>8980000

>> No.8980037

>>8980011

Except the 'th' in 'months'. It's horrible.

>> No.8980042

>>8980011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N95yelmVJBU

>> No.8980053

>>8980042

The girl is clearly a retard.

Also, try to say Streichholzschächtelchen.

>> No.8980063

>>8979109
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandhi

>> No.8980059

>>8980053
Nigger this shit is two fucking syllables.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmJPUhyJzkw

>> No.8980076

>>8980053
I did, slowly. I took German in high school. I'm listening to Silver Millenium right now BTW.

>> No.8980088

>>8980059
>read the word on it

See, that's the problem. Most of them probably never saw the word "Squirrel" in their life. English has retarded pronounciation/spelling rules. You either know how to pronounce a word or you don't. It's not really an indicator.

>> No.8980103

>>8980076

It probably came out as something like strikeholtsshacktelken, right? That's how most anglophones pronounce it.

It's actually an old trolling tactic to make fun out of silly foreigners.

>> No.8980109

>>8978798
The sound they make when they try to say "L".

>> No.8980111
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>>8980088
There are no special rules involved in the pronunciation of
"squirrel". One of them admitted to practicing it.

>> No.8980125

>>8980111
>There are no special rules involved in the pronunciation of "squirrel"

Which doesn't mean shit because English barely has any pronounciation rules. I'm not saying every German can naturally pronounce it, but it's really not that difficult. Main point is, you can't tell how it's pronounced by simply looking at the word.

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>>8980103
You mean they don't know how to say ch? I don't get what you mean with the other parts.

>> No.8980160

>>8980148
For untrained speakers it is difficult to say due to the combination of the different s- and sch/ch-phonemes.
Much like >>8980037 in english.

>> No.8980173

>>8980148
>You mean they don't know how to say ch?

Yeah, neither the 'soft' ch in Hähnchen nor the 'hard' ch like in Schacht.

>I don't get what you mean with the other parts.

>Worte wie Streichholzschächtelchen, Eichhörnchen, Nacktschnecke, Fachhochschule, Quietscheentchen und Strickstrumpf gelten als Sprachtest für Ausländer, da sie vor allem wegen der Konsonantencluster und der Wechsel zwischen Rachen- und Zischlauten recht schwer auszusprechen sind.

>> No.8980213

pronouncing tsunami as sunami even though the two are completely different.

>> No.8980212

Accents, Stress and Inflection.

Anglophones just can't get away from them.

>> No.8980217

>>8978845
The way it's spell

Car-a-okay

>> No.8980222

why are the janitors leaving this shit on the frontpage

>> No.8980314

>>8978865
Portuguese-speaker here.
And it's true. Americans can''t pronounce SHIT in japanese or any other languages outside of the anglo world. It's much funnier than japanese people trying to speak English.

>> No.8980353

English speakers can't pronounce "Beatrice" for the same reason they can't pronounce "Earis" which was turned into "Aeris\Aerith" so you wouldn't bite your own tongue.

You probably pronounce Aurora and Augustus like Oh-ro-ra and Oh-goos-toos despite the fact you have no problem pronouncing the right sound in words like "now"

>> No.8980394

CARE EE YOH KEE

>> No.8980861

>>8980353
Who pronounces words with an a with an o sound? Thats just stupid.

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8980888

>konnichwa
>not pronouncing the double "n" sound.

>> No.8980921

They have trouble with SI, th, and yi sounds as well.

>> No.8980924

English sucks, news at 10.

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>>8980222

>> No.8981002

>>8980861
>Who pronounces words with an a with an o sound? Thats just stupid.

it's not an "a" it's a diphthong "au" and french do that all the time.

>> No.8981013

The problem I have is, not the fact that they can't pronounce x, l, etc. It's the fact that like a 1/3 of their language is loan words from english.

>> No.8981041

>>8981013
You should check out Filipino language. For every words, there is an English loanword used.

>> No.8981047

>>8980993
This thread doesn't belong on /jp/, though, more /lang/ or /int/ or /trv/ or some other shitty board.

>> No.8981062

>>8980888
>American Japanese class, 4th semester
>finished with Genki II by the end
>only I can say words like sayounara or oyahou gozaimasu correctly
>talked to a woman who didn't know what Google was
>another one was unfamilar that one could find and download books from the Internet
>a few people talking about their favorite anime in self-introduction videos for employers to use when considering whether to hire them
>people constantly asking me what's this kanji, what's that kanji

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>>8981002

>french do that all the time.

Who gives a shit. The French are irrelevant and anything sharted out of their mouths makes any living being with ears cringe.

I never heard any educated native English speaker pronounce Augustus anything other than "Au(paw)-gus(cut)-tus(galLOP)" in English.

>> No.8981074

>>8981066
>The French are irrelevant
Too bad that when the frenchies raped the englishmen they molded your language according to their own.

>> No.8981078

>>8981074
Apparently they did a shitty job at it according to the guy in this thread saying we suck shit at french phonetics.

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