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Good evening /jp/.

How do you feel about American made visual novels? Do you think we will ever see any H-scenes/american voice actors in what few American visual novels are coming out?

Is American culture simply too different to truly grasp the essence of a "visual novel"?

>> No.8954019

They're shit.

And your pic isn't a western game.

>> No.8954021
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8954021

OELVNs have just as much potential as japanese VNs.

Thus far they have failed to live up to the potential as well as japanese VNs have.

>> No.8954024

>>8954021
Nah they are way worse. Can't even do shitty versions of eroge right.

>> No.8954026
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8954026

VNs are for hack writers who couldn't make it as real authors. Why would I read garbage written by losers living in their parent's basement when I could read good stories like Atlas Shrugged or Crime and Punishment?

The Americans who produce anything in this subcultural medium are race traitors and should be treated and such by boycotting their inferior products and preferably deporting them to glorious Nipon where the people are boring, monkey-faced plebs and their economy makes the U.S. look like Germany.

>> No.8954030

Analogue: A Hate Story is now on Steam.

Just saying.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/209370/

>> No.8954033
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>>8954026
>good stories
>like Atlas Shrugged
> losers living in their parent's basement

>> No.8954036
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>>8954033
Shut up.

>> No.8954038

Pretty much shit and pretentious, probably because they lack foundation.
Just like Kritzinger's failed project.

>> No.8954040
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>>8954039
No.

>> No.8954039

>>8954036
Post the fat one

>> No.8954044

>>8954030
Nobody cares, Chris.

>> No.8954051

>>8954026

That's like saying fingerprinting is for artists who couldn't make it as real artist.

Who's to say that an artistically inclined person can't find just as much creativity and genius in a fingerprinting as in a sculpture?

>> No.8954077

>>8954030
Story of used goods. No thanks.

>> No.8954082

>>8954017
They belong on >>>/v/

>> No.8954086

>>8954082
They belong on >>>/vg/, cockmaster.

>> No.8954110

>How do you feel about American made visual novels?
As long as they're in the realm of Doujin, they will never be good.

There's nothing wrong with the concept, but pretty much all the good VNs in Japan are made by actual companies, just like all the accepted VNs type things in America, like Mass Effect or other games with relationship elements, are done by companies with actual budget.

>Do you think we will ever see any H-scenes/american voice actors in what few American visual novels are coming out?

If internet types weren't moralfags, sure. It's probably more likely in a company with an actual budget to get softcore, but I don't think there will be much hardcore ever either way since there's a stigma that makes it hard to host or sell. We don't have a Comiket culture where it's easy to sell hard porn games you made to a niche audience.

>Is American culture simply too different to truly grasp the essence of a "visual novel"?
What essence? Choose your own adventure with too many words and moe?

>> No.8954113

>>8954024
Did you even read his post?

>> No.8954114

>>8954086
Who cares whatever shithole it is. It's not here.

>> No.8954119

>>8954017
>fifteen ahoge

>> No.8954130

Visual Novels are retardedly seen as subset of games in the west, instead of its own storytelling medium. And the best writing the gaming industry in the west has to offer is Bioware, which isn't really that great.
Thus aspiring writers resort much rather to novels or comics if they want to tell a serious story.

(And yes, I realize most VNs are crud, but still miles above 99% of video game writing)

>> No.8954150

>>8954130
VN's have a completely differnt target audience than mediums which are used to tell a "serious story". If most of VNs don't appeal to you it's time to take a hint. You don't belong to the target audience.

>> No.8954151

>>8954130 Visual Novels are retardedly seen as subset of games in the west, instead of its own storytelling medium.
Visual Novels are videogames, nerd.
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>> No.8954164

>>8954150
With 'serious story' I meant a work for the purpose of telling a story rather than as padding for a game meant to be enjoyed for its gameplay value.
It can be inane slice of life shit or a dostoyevskyan masterpiece, it doesn't matter, as long as the central purpose is telling a story.

I have no clue what you are trying to say with the last part.

>> No.8954165

>>8954164
>work for the purpose of telling a story
It's porn, son. You're supposed to masturbate to it.

>> No.8954171

>>8954164 With 'serious story' I meant a work for the purpose of telling a story rather than as padding for a game meant to be enjoyed for its gameplay value.
Like 75% of adventure games you mean?
You'd fit right on the videogame boards since you don't seem to know much about them.

>> No.8954174

>>8954171
>Like 75% of adventure games you mean?
98% of people like to pull statistics out of their ass.

>> No.8954181

>>8954165
YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND DAD YOU'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND

>> No.8954187

There was Heavy Rain. Does that count?

>> No.8954189

>>8954187
Heavy Rain was more like an interactive movie I think

>> No.8954194

>>8954171
Yeah and tell me how common adventure games or generally story focused video games are nowadays.
I forgive you for thinking I am some /v/ hipster thinking VN are some great art form tho, because they are a common pest.

>> No.8954261

>>8954086
>>>/vg/4131278

>> No.8954754

>>8954189
How about Plumbers Don't Wear Ties? That's not interactive movie at all.

>> No.8956357

That can be an OELVN

>> No.8956362

>>8956357
for >>8954754

>> No.8956435

I haven't seen many but I don't see why they would be inherently worse than Japanese VNs.

The real problem is that the group of people who fit into all groups of "likes VNs", "wants to make a VN", "good writer", and "can program them" is insanely tiny. Combine this with almost no chance of making even a sliver of money on them...

Also finding a good artist is hard as fuck too.

>> No.8956458

>>8954026
>like Atlas Shrugged

This is ironic, right? Crime and Punishment was written by a Russian, too, so it doesn't qualify as western.

>> No.8956703

>>8954110
>As long as they're in the realm of Doujin, they will never be good.

But type-moon started as a dojin group and 07h Expansion still is on paper. Plus Higurashi's production cost was about zero.

Despite that they produced some of the most popular and appreciated visual novel out there, in japan and the rest of the world alike.

Son don't come and tell me that you need a big budget to create a successful VN, that's just a pathetic excuse. Sure a high budget helps, meaning that you can sell a VN on special effects and a lot of graphic alone, but if a writer that really knew how to write were to make a VN it wouldn't go unnoticed, even if it was made on renpy with sticky figures and recycled sound effects and music.

The only problem is that, as you also said, if one was really good at writing he'd rather write novels and be appreciated by millions of people rather than write visual novels and be equally appreciated by the very limited niche of VN lovers that aren't weaboo enough to even give a chance to something that doesn't come from japan.

>> No.8956735

>>8956703
>Plus Higurashi's production cost was about zero.
And it showed.

>> No.8956754

>>8956735
Yeah nobody is saying otherwise, but the point is that that didn't stop it from becoming one of the most popular VN of our times.

>> No.8956849

>>8956735
people still gobbled that shit up like its crack

>> No.8956930

>>8956703
You are arguing that something being popular makes it good.

>> No.8956947

>>8956930
They're popular because the target audience thinks they're good.

>> No.8956966

X-Men First Class could have been a great VN as opposed to a sub-par movie.

>> No.8956995

>>8954026
Yeah, except there are a finite amount of classics, and most modern novels are teen-pandering shit.

Urobuchi and Nasu, among others, actually do make a living writing books as well as Visual Novels. Though I imagine you already know everything that I'm mentioning, since you're being a little too obvious.

Ayn Rand sucks ass, and Atlas Shrugged isn't even her best work.

Though I do like your deportation idea. I would definitely create a shitty OELVN if I got a golden ticket.

>> No.8957041

>OEL
This term is both embarressing and stupid, and the fact that the term lives on is shameful.

>> No.8957059

OELVNs have potential, but the art is either Western and ugly, or anime-inspired and ugly. The stories are hit or miss.

>> No.8957057

>>8957041
I prefer western VN

>> No.8957068

How do you guys feel about "motion comics"? Like, http://marvel.com/motion_comics ?

>> No.8957079

>>8957068
>motion comics
You mean cartoons?

>> No.8957085

The closest thing we have to a professional VN studio is Telltale. Also you can't tell me that the shit spit out on MSPA wouldn't sell well as a VN.

>> No.8957097

im ok if it looks like OP pic cause its kawaii

>> No.8957110

>>8957097
OP's pic isn't a Western VN, it's a localization of a doujin VN.

>> No.8957115

>OELVN
I dislike that term because it makes me think of olev, which most certainly most OELVN characters are not.

>> No.8957135

>>8957115
Fair enough. I won't use the term anymore.

>> No.8957137

How do you guys pronounce OELVN?

I say oh-elven.

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>>8957085
>Homestuck VN
The very thought of this upsets me very, very deeply.

>> No.8957144

>>8954110
>As long as they're in the realm of Doujin, they will never be good.
>pretty much all the good VNs in Japan are made by actual companies

I'm surprised more people didn't fall for this.

>> No.8957145

>>8957137
I call it "OH EELLLLLVIN"

>> No.8957183

>>8957057
The problem with that is that there are a lot of Russian visual novels, and those are western but they clearly aren't english.

On the other hand OELVN can potentially include VN that aren't made by westerners at all but are written in english by some Indian or Singaporean guy.

>> No.8957176

What about Chinese and Korean Visual novels?

>> No.8957189

>>8957176
They're all just translations of Japanese visual novels.

Corea would call them something different, like pictorial stories, just to be different from Japan.

>> No.8957205

I'd just like to remind you all that the acronym "OEL" was invented by ANN users and you should stop using it to refer to weeaboo-made media.

>> No.8957214

>>8957189
I remember reading something about a Wuxia VN based on a Chinese game. That's OC that's for sure.

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>>8957189
>They're all just translations of Japanese visual novels.

That's not true at all and you know it.

>> No.8957235

what's the name of the visual novel in the OP again?

Isn't it like 5 bucks?

>impending spoonfeeding babby

>> No.8957242

>>8957224
It is true for the most part. Chinese weeaboos mainly read translated VN, original Chinese VN are not very common.

I’m the guy who posted that screenshot a few days ago. It’s high quality but no voices because tiny industry.

>> No.8957258

>>8957242
In any case, this Chinese VN already looks leagues better than anything Westerners crap out.

The "best" thing that came out from them is Katawa Shoujo.

>> No.8957280

http://vndb.org/v/all?q=&fil=olang-zh

this is all I got from vndb, and one of them is actually japanese.

>> No.8957357

>>8957235
I just typed the names you can see in the scrrenshot plus "visual novel"

http://www.technologytell.com/gaming/92706/review-cherry-tree-high-comedy-club-for-windows/

It's not that difficult my dear anon.

>> No.8958011

>>8954017
>Do you think we will ever see any H-scenes/american voice actors in what few American visual novels are coming out?

Not as long as America thinks 2D sex is evil, no.

>> No.8958020

>>8958011
On that note, what do you guys think the chances of them leaving the bath scenes in Mugen Souls is?

>> No.8958021

>>8957205

You do realize that /jp/ practically IS 4chan's weeaboo board, right?

>> No.8958033

>>8958021
What does that have to do with his post at all?

>> No.8958041

>>8958020

They'll probably be left in since it's a gameplay mechanic, but they'll probably either:

A) Edit it so the swimsuits are bigger
B) Edit the bubble soaps to make it look less like cum
C) Remove both english and japanese voices for that minigame because it sounds like sex moans
D) Combination of the three

They wouldn't say "slight edit" if they were going to do away with it completely.

>> No.8958038

>>8958021
NUH-UH FAGGOT WEEABOOS ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WAPANESE WHICH MEANS LIKE "WIGGER" BUT FOR JAPS OR "JAPANOPHILE" WE DON'T WANT TO BE JAPANESE OR CARE ABOUT THE COUNTRY I HATE JAPAN I WISH IT GOT NUKED FUCKING JAPAN FUCK I JUST LIKE THE THINGS THEY MAKE THE FUCKING GOOKS THEY COULD ALL DIE FOR ALL I CARE

>> No.8958046

>>8957258
KS was pretty good for what it was.

That Chinese VN is yet another adaptation of a famous Chinese novel: Dream of the Red Chamber. It's the example everyone uses when bringing up Chinese VNs, and has been for almost two years. I'm not even sure if it's completed.

It looks great, but, like other Chinese works, it bring nothing new and must rely on its history. I'll pay attention when the Chinese make an all original VN. KS may have been derivative, but at least it was an original story, and one made by fans.

>> No.8958055

>>8958033

Because they used "weeaboo" as a pejorative when they post in 4chan's weaboo board. Kinda...hypocritical in my opinion.

>> No.8958062

>>8957205
What's wrong with ANN? It gives a good quick summary of anime and manga that you look up and you can find news and info about voice actors and series.

>> No.8958076

>>8958062
He was clearly talking about the terrible userbase.

>> No.8958139

Except the userbase isn't actually terrible.

It's just you know, not completely made out of Otaku.

>> No.8958148

>>8958139
The ANN defense force has arrived!

>> No.8958157

>>8954017

But anyway, if I had both the drawing and the writing skills I'd probably make a western eroge of my own. Using 2D girls of course; no one wants to see 3DPD-style.

>> No.8958163

>>8958139
The userbase isn't that bad, but it's hard to have good discussion since the moderators tend to have the last word before shutting things down. Not to mention, good points tend to be drowned out by Zac or whoever's fans once they state their opinion. It's too much of a herd over there.

>> No.8958190

>>8958163
>Zac
This guy doesn't even like anime anymore, hell he despises otaku culture. Why is he still head editor for an anime news site?

>> No.8958192

Anyway, on topic:

I'd like to make a VN if I had drawing skills, but I would probably never make an eroge because my fetishes are too niche and making the sex actually seem important to the plot is tough to do correctly.

I'd also try to make the art out of a mix of western and eastern styles. Nothin' saying you can't mix the two.

>> No.8958194

>>8958139
So it's terrible.

>> No.8958200

>>8958190
>This guy doesn't even like anime anymore, hell he despises otaku culture. Why is he still head editor for an anime news site?

Implying that anime is nothing but Otaku Culture.

Did you not see how he loved the utter fuck out of Madoka? In the recent ANNcast he said that Madoka was one of the best shows he'd seen in FOUR YEARS.

>> No.8958208

>>8958163
You aren't from her, aren't you?

jpers do not consider themselves weaboo and as a matter of facts you are more likely to find a stereotypical weaboo in /a/ rather than here.

>> No.8958206

>>8958200
But the only good thing Madoka had going for it was Homu.

>> No.8958211

>>8958192
>making the sex actually seem important to the plot is tough to do correctly.

I don't think it would have to be anything complicated, or anything silly like "We must have sex to restore our MP!" Maybe the two realize they like-like the other and want to try out this sex thing? Or they start by kissing one night, then touching more places another night, and finally they're ready for the real thing?

>> No.8958218

>>8958192
>I'd also try to make the art out of a mix of western and eastern styles. Nothin' saying you can't mix the two.

If only there were examples of this that can be pointed out. (No sarcasm intended, I am curious.)

>> No.8958220

>>8958200
>In the recent ANNcast he said that Madoka was one of the best shows he'd seen in FOUR YEARS.

That just tells me he did not watch anime at all four years prior to Madoka coming out.

>> No.8958235

>>>/v/
>>>/a/

>> No.8958236

>I don't think it would have to be anything complicated, or anything silly like "We must have sex to restore our MP!" Maybe the two realize they like-like the other and want to try out this sex thing? Or they start by kissing one night, then touching more places another night, and finally they're ready for the real thing?

Yes, that could work, but probably for a slice-of-life VN than anything fantasy.

>If only there were examples of this that can be pointed out. (No sarcasm intended, I am curious.)

Redline.

>> No.8958252

>>8958200
He wouldn't give a show like that the light of day if it wasn't being spread by Madokatards.

>> No.8958245

>>8958235

Fuck off.

>> No.8958253

>>8958245
out.

>> No.8958262

>>8958235
>>8958245
>>8958253
Real constructive argument, guys.

>> No.8958258

>>8958190
>Zac
>Only watch anime about Titties and Lolies
>Complain about seeing tits and loli

Every season, it's like he picks the ones he knows he likes the least just to write something stupid about it.

>> No.8958273

>>8958192
Why can't they just fuck because they are horny? The player will know it's a porn game. They don't care about how they get the porn

>> No.8958295

>>8958273

There's a difference between a game that was built entirely for porn, and a game that happens to have random-porn in the middle (Tsukihime comes to mind).

Also, it's just a personal thing; I always want to have really defined reasons for the fucking. Hell, when I write smut (very rarely) it can take me like 5 pages to get to the good stuff because I spend time setting things up. It's a little quirk.

>> No.8958308

>American made visual novels
I'm not sure I follow.

>> No.8958351

>>8954026
>Atlas Shrugged

0/10, try actually having a clue about what you are saying.


>>8954017
If Katawa Shoujo is any indication, I want no part of OELVNs nor the insipid fanbases that they spawn.

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