/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

What's your favorite way to study Kanji, /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

masturbate to them.

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>>8898021
draw them faggot

[Anonymous No.]

Is learning Kanji hard?

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Eroge every day.

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>>8898043
What this gentleman said.

I'm not big fun of learning words (and here kanji) on their own in any language.
You should make it something enjoyable. To feel that you actually managing something.
Not taking it like a "studying" in that negative sense is, in my opinion, the most essential thing.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been doing Anki for a while, but I've noticed after I've wrote them a few times I remember them incredibly well.

[Anonymous No.]

Did kanjidamage back then. Repeating them over and over took 13 months. Always on the verge of crying and laughing. But now I am pretty confident to know ~1900 of these fuckers.

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>>8898169
>1900 kanji in 13 months

HAHA OH WOW. You should give up while you can.

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How many Kanji are there?

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>>8898169

1000 without any kind of drill after 15 months. Should I be sad?

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>>8898021

What's the point of learning a primitive language? Are you going to write haikus about being a virgin? Learn a real language like Spanish.

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>>8898208

It's so we can watch anime, read LN's and VN's without needing it translated.

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>>8898204

About 2100, I guess.

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>>8898207
Nope its actually pretty good in my opinion.

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>>8898204
The kanji number in the thousands. 2000 puts you at the 90% of the most common kanji, another 2000 puts you at around 99%.

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>>8898225

How the fuck do you remember them all?

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>>8898229
Raw memorization.

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>>8898229
By using them while reading and writing. Just like how you remember thousands of words while you read English text.

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>>8898235

That's not quite right in my opinion (if you mean that one has to know them perfectly, which means actively in other words). Passive knowledge of most of the kanjis are all you need nowadays.
I mean, if you can write some basic things you need for your daily life, but can't remember some more complex kanji from time to time, you can just look it up in dictionary (electronic ones are really useful) and nothing will happen.
What I wanted to say is, that passive knowledge is far more easier than actual trying to just learn kanjis separately.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't know about "kanji", but my favorite way to study Japanese is to actually read things I am interested in in the language (while looking up words I don't know, of course) rather than memorize characters out of context along with imaginary "meanings" and then go back to reading fan-translated shit anyway.

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This place...smells ....like weebao faggot.

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>>8898208
>Are you going to write haikus about being a virgin?
この摩羅が何ら真婿を未だ不知

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>>8898272
Parsing things through Google Translate can't really be called reading.

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>>8898233
this.

read jap, use translator, write down things you want to say and things you read often.
You'll have an easier time remembering those.
doesn't matter if you actually don't say it to someone, we all have those imaginary dialogs, where we argue with people in our mind discussion or whatever.

>>8898272
>rather than memorize characters out of context along with imaginary "meanings"
enjoy your limited vocabulary and constant need of translating tools, scumbag.

[Anonymous No.]

>What's your favorite way to study Kanji, /jp/?
anki
I'm on 1365 or so
It's quite easy really.
I also own the book but barely use it, just skim it before bed.

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>>8898328

And how much actual Japanese can you read and understand?

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go around mah blocks and shoot some niggas

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>>8898337
I don't know grammar very well yet and I hardly know any compounds, or whatever the multiple kanji words are called, so only basic sentences.

going to bed bye

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>>8898337
Much more than someone who doesn't.

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>>8898350
Still not enough for Muramase.

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>>8898349
why the hell would you learn 1300 kanji without studying grammar during that time

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I learn words from favourite songs - I take lyrics, cut all kanji and make cards and learn them on my way to work. Then I singalong.

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>>8898208

Fuck Spanish. Every Spanish teacher I had in middle/high school was a bitch and acted like they know a superior language.

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I got up to 1.3k in a month by using anki, but I've had to slow down for back to back midterms and finals coming up.

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>>8899253
What on earth can you even use Spanish for?

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>>8899269
Not much, unless you plan on doing business with spain or latinos. Otherwise the only perk is being able to talk to manual laborers.

Any latin immigrant worth talking to can speak English anyway.

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>>8899273
Exactly. Somehow it's the most popular foreign language for students to learn solely because of fact ,,second most used''.

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>>8899280
It would've had decent literary use if their media culture was worth anything. But nope. Latino tv is basically American TV and bad soaps with more FUTBOL.

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>>8899286
>literary use
>tv

ISHYGGDT

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>>8899280
When I tell people I learn Japanese they ask me why I don't learn Chinese instead.
I guess every language has its natural counterparts to learn. Like German(me) -->English --> French--> Chinese. People will rather go with the norm and learn a language that puts out the most profit then do what they are actually personally interested in.

Il est un chien et il ne mange pas de gâteu. Relative aux image

Captcha: Seen byQaste

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>Heisig

Let's learn over 2,000 characters by memorizing really abstract and repetitive mnemonics.

>YOU CAN REMEMBER THIS ONE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A SWORD FIGHTING WITH A FISH HOOK ON A SOCK WITH ANOTHER SOCK HANGING OFF THE SIDE OF THE SWORD AND WITH A CLOAK AND DAGGER

I have no idea how anyone gets any use from that shit.

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>>8899604
You just need to find what;s working for you.

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>>8899604

Because you have apparently not grasped the basic idea of mnemonics at all

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>>8899517
You should reply that learning Chinese is for filthy communist and proceed to backhand them with your freedom-knuckle.

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>>8899634
Neither have you, if you think remembering a sentence per kanji for 2000 kanji is efficient.

Heisig is like anti-mnemonics.

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>>8899604
and that's why any sensible person would choose kanjidicks. His mnemonics feature my favorite rappers

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>>8899604
What can I say?
Oh, I know the right person for this situation. She wants to tell you something.

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>>8899663
Shit doesn't work as well as Heisig.

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>>8899780
Heisig made me stop after 40 kanji. Kanjidamage motivated me to go to 500 Kanji, and I don't intend to stop. Those yomi are a huge help in memorizing.
Your move

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>>8899844
Whatever works for you is fine.
How did you learn with Kanji damage ? Did you do flashcards or made your own deck with Anki or what ?

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>>8899847
I used the website. Learned 15(later 30) Kanji a day in the morning and did reps with one of the existing Kanjidicks decks in anki... all over the day. Kind of sloppy, but it works so far.

By the way, do you listen to music while learning?
I mostly use these
http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/18922015
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10309939

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>>8899860
Sometimes. It depends on how focused I am when I'm studying but most of the time I do listen to music.

Did you learn just the meaning or readings too ?

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So, before being able to read decently a VN I have to study for other 15 months - I know only Hira and Kata - ?
I wanted to read Miyako Route Majikoi before it got translated ;_;
Do you think something like Atlas helps or just ruins the reading? I want at least being able to enjoy VNs at 90%, why's the world so harsh?

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>>8899919
The way I look at it, it doesn't matter if I can use the Japanese in more then a year because I rather study now and work hard then look back and think to myself that I should have learned already.

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>>8899930
That kind of thinking is what made me start.

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>>8899942
But then I hit a huge wall named Kanji. Fuck it though I ain't quitting.

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>>8899873
whenever possible, both, and jukugo. I found it hard to remember 主 without knowing that you can form 御主人 with it.

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>>8899984
Did you learn all of the Kunyomi ? Shit is confusing how am I supposed to remember them all ?

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>>8899919

I started with reading when I had about 400 kanjis.
After you start that, it just gets better on its own. At least in my case.

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>>8899988
Not him but I try to at least remember the translation and onyomi or kunyomi. You will learn both kun and onyomi in the vocab anyway so concentrate on the meaning.

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>>8899919
Atlas is shit. Use JParser instead. That way you also learn while reading, though try to read from the game first before using any outside help.

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>>8899988
funnily, it's the Kunyomi I have the most trouble remembering most the time. Some other times, they are fairly simple to remember , like amai or ookii. Probably because of all those anime

Some difficult onyomi are those which all sound similar and look similar, like many 青　compounds having "sei".

>>8900016
yes, sometimes I just neglect certain readings and hope to at least remember one of them. I wonder how this will look like in two months, should be done with Kanjidicks by then.

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>>8900022
>compounds
I'm not sure if that is the correct expression here, what I meant are Kanji including this radical.

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>>8900022
Learning both kun and onyomi is way too much for me right now. I just consider that I recalled the kanji correctly when I remember it's onyomi and translation. I almost always ignore the kunyomi and jukugo. I hope it won't comeback to bite me in the ass later.

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Mnemonics are just a crutch for people who have poor visual memory.

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>>8900046
Mnemonics never helped me one bit. Memorizing where the radicals are and which ones are on which kanji helps me.

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>>8900050
>>8900046
some of them are funny enough to be actually helpful.

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>>8900064
He's the fucking Van Gogh of ursine immolation. If only all of the mnemonics were that awesome.

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>>8900046
You use mnemonics in your head whether you like it or not.

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>>8898204
A huge fuckton of kanji, but there are about 2000 essential ones, if you know these, you're good to go.

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I can't even remember the hiragana or katakana. There is no hope for me.

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>>8900088
Write every single character down. 50 times.
DRINK BEER

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>>8900095
I think I've forgotten how to write.

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>>8900097
How about you go fuck youself then

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>>8900088

Use your ds and look at the chart on pictochat. Write whenever you have your pants down and not in front of the computer. Do it when you're showering, shitting, walking to the mailbox, picking your nose etc etc....

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>>8900088
try to read stuff on the web. Try to read frequently. Get used to the those fuckers. Half a year passed for me since learning with the glorious Mr. Nama, and I still confuse some katakana sometimes.

>>8900111

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>>8900088

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEA54VJEdE&feature=bf_next&list=PL9987A659670D60E0

YOU BITCH

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>>8900088
Just start on some kanji and vocab decks in anki. I "knew" hiraganaa and katakana when I started, but having to read hiragana and katakana to know what the damn kanji said made it go from something I had to think about to an instant connection just like english letters.

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>>8900073
No I don't. Do you use mnemonics every time you try and remember how to spell?

[SadJPer !!mLLZzgnduHO No.]

Thanks /jp/. I was considering starting up on learning japanese again and now I've got a bit of motivation to actually try oncemore. lets just hope I stick with it this time

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How many hours each day should I dedicate to learning Japanese?

What's pretty much the sustainable maximum amount of hours per day? My big problem with learning things is that I usually go all out within the first month, spending nearly 8 hours obsessing over it each day, and then burn out. I need to schedule out long-term goals so it feels like a routine instead of an endurance test.

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>>8900678
Only you can say what is sustainable for you. Some people can only put an hour, some put twelve.

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"I'll definitely study today" -> fap -> eat -> refresh /jp/ -> repeat until bedtime

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Kanji isn't even the hard part anymore. I hate the fucking kana anymore. Nothing more frustrating like coming across something like 「らって」 and having to way in hell in knowing if it is a noun, a sound, a verb or fucking anything.

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>>8900723
Context is important to consider; also, that doesn't mean anything technically, so it may be onomatopoeia for who knows what.

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>>8900687
I want a sloppy cum burger too...

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>>8898021
50 kanjis a day from kanjidamage, reviews using the "lazy mod" method. No need to make it more difficult than it has to be.

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>>8900021
Hey, have any of you managed to get Mecab working in TA? No matter what I do, it tells me it can't find Mecab.

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Bought a book aimed at japanese kids that covers 1-1000
Then a book aimed middle school kids
Then a book aimed at high school kids

You fuckers over complicate learning Kanji so much.

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>>8899658
>Neither have you, if you think remembering a sentence per kanji for 2000 kanji is efficient.

Except the mnemonics disappear after a few reviews in Anki, after which the kanji comes to mind naturally as soon as you see the keyword.

Sorry that you have no understanding how Heisig or SRSing works.

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>>8902171
>buy
also, the order you learn the kanji in is... well. Heisig/Kanjidicks at least order them by new radicals and stuff.

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>>8900678
That's the best thing about Anki decks. When you feel like you are burning out, stop adding new cards and just review the ones you have until you feel like learning new stuff again.

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>>8900046
It's silly to inconvenience yourself by obstinately refusing to impose humane limitations upon yourself. Hopefully you will learn that you're a human too, and that these tools are here to make it ｅａｓｉｅｒ for you.

>>8902121
I have it working. Unfortunately, it's a long time ago, so I can't help you. I can't remember running into any problems, though.

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>>8902201
If you could give me the version number of the TA you're using, that would help a lot. Or were you saying you've uninstalled it now?

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>>8902204
0.4.9r171

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>>8902171

Why would you need something like that?

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>>8900723
Fucking this. Kanji you can always check up from a dictionary but then shit like fucks everything up. Put it in a dictionary and it shows ten different meanings.

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>>8900723

That's not really the hard part.

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>>8902522
The hard part is THIS *grabs dick*.

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>>8900723
>「らって」
Isn't that just a lewd slut trying to say だって while experiencing the pleasure of being cummed inside?

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>>8902534
No. It means steering wheel.

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>>8902542
what

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>>8900723
Kana isnt even the hard part anymore. Its japanese people pronouncing words totally different than how they should be.

Not so much a problem when you can infer a meaning from context and possible word matches, but by that stage you already know enough

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>>8900723
Maybe it's a typo. Typos are really scary when trying to learn a language, since there's no way to separate typos from obscure slang with a dictionary. So you can struggle figuring out the meaning of something for ages while having no guarantee that it's even supposed to make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

So I just started RTK3 today after finishing RTK1 a while ago. I recommend them to anyone studying the language, I feel like I am Japanese already.

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>ctrl +f
>namasensei
>no results
YOU BITCH

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>>8902701
mentioned indirectly multiple times, read the thread

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>>8902596
That's pretty much why I don't usually concern myself with not understading things, especially things I'm seeing for the first time. If it's something meaningful, I'll see and learn it later and get it the next time around.

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>>8902583
Kana is easy as fuck with memrise.

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>>8902701
That guy should be a teacher.

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>>8902701
I actually found him from this thread. I'd seen him mentioned, but I had no idea what he was like. Usually I hate gimmicky YouTube people, but this is sure as hell going to make everything more memorable.

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>>8903552
He explains the Grammar pretty great, some of these books are hard to understand.

[Anonymous No.]

Heisig/Koohii is good, Kanjidamage too. If neither of them works just learn them in context. Using an SRS helps a lot. Learn readings in context later. RTK3 is unnecessary, just learn them when you find them.

>>8903566
If the books are hard to understand, try learning the grammar in context, it usually makes more sense.

>>8903072
Hiragana took less than a day to learn back then, wrote a program to drill it copying long texts of hiragana to romaji. I learned Katakana in context.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone recommend a good kanji dictionary?

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>>8903969
Katakana is sometimes a bitch because of shit like　ツ　シ　ソ　ン．
You get used to it eventually but it's annoying at first.

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>>8904245
jisho.org, tagainijisho or an electronic portable dictionary. Learn to search by components, it is so much faster than stroke order or radical lookup.

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>>8904245
I've used http://tangorin.com/ so far.

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>I learned XX kanji per day.
I laugh every time time I read this.

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>>8904493
Be careful of the example sentences though, they are, as far as I can see from the The Tanaka Corpus, which may contain errors or just sound... off.

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>>8904510
Because ?

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I would only really care about them if I actually have a conversation, right? Don't think that will ever happen

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>>8904521
*meant those sentences
>>8904513

also,
>These sentences may also be good for Japanese reading practice. However, just remember that if these sentences are a high percentage of your "Japanese input," you may be indirectly learning unnatural-sounding Japanese, which could affect the way you sound when you speak Japanese, in much the same way as men who learn most of their Japanese from a girlfriend start to sound a bit gay.
Finally some refreshing honesty.

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>>8904414
Also ク　ケ　タ　ヌ　フ　ウ　ワ

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>>8904532
Don't worry. It will get worse:

大
天
太
夫
央
失
人
犬
矢
本
木
欠
末
朱
未
丈
才

There are probably more like this.

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>>8904526
Yeah, I think you're better off getting good sentences from textbooks, kodansha or kenkyusha. After a while though you can just start reading whatever you feel like, the Japanese grammar isn't that complicated.

Also, AJJAT (not ajjat plus or that shit) is presumably good for learning, my methods for learning were similar to his original 10k sentences + input method.

>>8904547
Not to mention
士土 or 未末. Most of the time context helps.

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>>8904547
Nobody said it'll be easy.
I bet reading similar Kanji is less painful in context though.

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>>8904561
>士土 or 未末
What the fuck.

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>>8904563
by strg-mousewheeling a bit or having eagle eyes you can discern the differences.

I liked the Kanjidamage hints for those.

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>>8904563
those are pretty easy since they're common

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>>8904563
Yeah, those are all very common, but context separates them well, since they have very distinct meanings.

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>>8904563
My favorite: 曰日
(Ok the first one is super rare, and yes you will get them with the context)

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>>8904587
To be fair though the second one is one of the most common Kanji there are.

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>>8904587
曰 I can only count a handful of times I've seen this most being related to learning kanji/japanese.

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>>8904571
Japanese is impossible with a small font I swear.

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>>8904635
It's really common in 曰く, but that depends on what you're reading I guess.

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>>8905637
Agreed. I wonder how the hell Japs can read Kanji on PSP/DS games...

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>>8905637
>>8905735

You're just both noobs. I bet you think they speak fast too.

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>>8905735
What? The text is large and most definitely readable.