do you think that NEETs are as they are because of a guilt complex or a complete lack of guilt?

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Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:28:57 2012 No.8792470 [Reply] [Original]

do you think that NEETs are as they are because of a guilt complex or a complete lack of guilt?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:29:58 2012 No.8792472 I feel guilt. But I am also unable to help myself. I suppose some people genuinely are unashamed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:31:27 2012 No.8792476 >>8792472 in what way cant you help yourself? Like an invisible wall of sorts?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:31:28 2012 No.8792480 What's with these topics?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:32:57 2012 No.8792484 The way they are is a mechanism of natural selection which causes weak males to isolate themselves from others and thus avoid soiling the gene pool with their abortive seed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:33:28 2012 No.8792485 File: 86 KB, 808x829, 1311365469621.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Asuka sucks, Rei is better. There, I said it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:34:57 2012 No.8792486 >>8792484 hmm, so you suppose its natural for NEETs to occur within society as humans. But why is there hate against NEETs then?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:35:27 2012 No.8792490 I think I make myself feel guilty because I need to to not always fuck up relationships because I don't give a fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:35:27 2012 No.8792492 >NEET is synonymous with hikkikomori Stop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:35:58 2012 No.8792493 I don't feel guilty at all

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:37:57 2012 No.8792499 >>8792486 For the same reason people shun the gays, because it's detrimental to reproduction and furthering the species.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:37:57 2012 No.8792500 File: 56 KB, 640x480, eva_asuka113.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8792485 im afraid im going to have to disagree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:38:27 2012 No.8792501 >>8792492 This.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:39:57 2012 No.8792507 >>8792499 is it not more of a "eww, what the fuck? how can someone live like this?" Like a culture shock of sorts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:41:57 2012 No.8792518 >>8792507 It's the same thing. People don't want their children to be filthy shut-ins that can't attract a mate and don't reproduce.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:45:28 2012 No.8792523 Who the fuck cares?

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:47:28 2012 No.8792529

>>8792518
id say its not "attract a mate and reproduce".
I dont think humans actually think like that anymore, they really dont.
I think its more the parents dont want to be in a situation where they are asked at some "shtick-it-up-your-butt" family gathering; "and whats anon doing?" I think its really that simple. Things are always that simple.

"Umm... Umm... well, hes kinda taking a gap year... or two..."

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:49:27 2012 No.8792535 File: 81 KB, 253x335, 04_Baby-cockeyed.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8792523 i do. I find it interesting, arrowfag

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:51:27 2012 No.8792543 because society is fucking toxic you conflate NEET with hiki and shame with guilt

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:51:27 2012 No.8792545

>>8792529

>I dont think humans actually think like that anymore, they really dont.

Are we using the same internet? It's all they think about.

>"Umm... Umm... well, hes kinda taking a gap year... or two..."

You taking a gap year is a sign of your inferiority, the inferiority of your genes to be precise. That's why it bothers your parents.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:51:28 2012 No.8792547 File: 269 KB, 640x480, FREAK AM I.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What am I to you? What am I, hmm? Some kind of a circus freak? Is that it? Is that it? Huh? Some kind of a freak? Maybe I should shitpost all over /jp/. Do you like it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:53:57 2012 No.8792555 >>8792545 >/jp/ - Amateur Eugenics

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:54:57 2012 No.8792557 Not guilt, shame. Do you even lift, OP?

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:56:27 2012 No.8792561

>>8792545
i agree and disagree. In alot of cases, humans think of genes, subconsciously. But in the case of a Parent with a child who has grown up in an unconventional way and is still relying on said parent, i think its more a simple situation of; "this isnt fair, what will the neighbours think?" The "what wil the neighbours think" idea doesnt have to do with genes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:58:58 2012 No.8792570 File: 592 KB, 1000x635, 6f6645cb294ffb7bc32b1280ced2a049.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8792485 >Asuka sucks, Rei is better

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 16:59:28 2012 No.8792572 >>8792557 im still in school, but i guess i dont really do much, yeah.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:02:27 2012 No.8792590

>>8792561

>The "what wil the neighbours think" idea doesnt have to do with genes.

They care about what others think because being accepted into society is part of passing on your genes, of course. Everyone who has already passed on their genes will naturally want those genes to be passed on further it's an integral part of their original will to have kids.

Do you seriously think the opinion of a few people that live close by is the cause of your parents disrespect for you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:04:57 2012 No.8792597 >>8792590 im not really sure. Theres just something about the genes thing that doesnt stand straight for me. Humans just dont seem that simple...

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:07:28 2012 No.8792602
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What shame is there in being a NEET or a hikki?

I see nothing wrong with someone who enjoys staying inside and prefers a life of isolation and introspection. If anything, it's actually quite admirable.

Most people spend their entire lives out there, socializing, forming families, chasing a career, all while believing that these things are meaningful and important. NEETs have seen past that though. There's no point to any of this, so why bother doing anything but enjoying your hobbies and exploring your mind through introspection if that's what you find enjoyable?

Socialization is fine if you genuinely enjoy it, but to do something simply because it's normal in our society or because your family wants you to do it is just to fall to peer pressure and betray your own personality.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:10:27 2012 No.8792612

>>8792602
Because you're living off other people and not pulling your own weight. I may not feel shame for being one but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking it's an honorable life.

Now if you were a hermit living on the side of some mountain that might be cool.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:11:57 2012 No.8792618

>>8792597

>Humans just dont seem that simple...

Humans are animals like monkeys and dogs, just that unlike them, we are much more complex, and thus more unpredictable. This gives some people the illusion of posessing a soul or free-will. In fact you are just a very complex, fleshy machine.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:12:27 2012 No.8792621

>>8792602
true.
But in the same sense arent people who go and do something incredible that involves other people a way of saying, in the same way as you have just described, "Well, its all pointless, but i might as well just do something fucking great before the end". Aah, maybe i shouldnt post this on /jp/... ah, who cares...
...in reality, give it a few years time, ill be on this everyday, nothing else. The sad thing is i didnt realise it was creeping up on me. God damn it! Someone invent the fucking time machine already!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:14:27 2012 No.8792633 >>8792612 yeah, i always tell my friends: "well, if i fail my finals, ill just live on the side of a mountain as a hermit" They dont believe it of course, but considering my prospects it might not be a bad idea

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:15:57 2012 No.8792642

>>8792590

>is part of passing on your genes

Why would anyone care about this? To be motivated by "passing on your genes" is such primitive and mindless behavior. A desperate and laughably irrational grasp at clinging to life.

Immortality is impossible and leaving a legacy has no meaning. You will be dead. What does it matter if you have left behind no children or dozens of children? You won't be consciously aware of their existence after you die, you just spent a lifetime trying to satisfy a reproductive instinct. I would expect that kind of mindless behavior from a chimp or a dog, but a supposedly intelligent human? It's shameful to allow your life to be controlled by such a thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:16:01 2012 No.8792648 File: 61 KB, 600x600, 1332691904925987.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I was kind of NEET for half an year. But my anxiety was acting up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:16:01 2012 No.8792646 >>8792602 Where is the part where they starve to death once their parents die?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:16:01 2012 No.8792649 File: 18 KB, 247x343, robotsofdawn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8792618 ... yeah, maybe... >cries a little

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:18:57 2012 No.8792657 >>8792642 It's probably subconscious.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:19:28 2012 No.8792659
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>>8792602
The bad part comes when you can't even go buy food, or even rarely speak normally to people. NEETs/hikkys don't usually know how to talk to people. At all.

I was reading I am a hero just now, and that man's socializing is painful to watch, at times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:19:28 2012 No.8792661 >>8792642 i was waiting for someone like you to come around. I totally agree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:22:28 2012 No.8792673 File: 474 KB, 1219x633, hero02.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8792659 i am a hero = nice choice of manga. But he's not even that bad, he has a girlfriend! Well, kind of...

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:22:28 2012 No.8792675 >>8792621 there isn't a single day, that i don't think about going back in time.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:23:28 2012 No.8792678

>>8792621

>"Well, its all pointless, but i might as well just do something fucking great before the end"

Greatness is subjective though. In the grand scheme of things you can't really do anything that is even noticeable, let alone great. You could blow up the entire earth and it would be a small and nearly unnoticeable event in the unfathomably huge universe that we live in.

The only greatness you can accomplish in life is based upon what you consider to be great. It's a subjective goal that you determine. A great life for someone who loves eroge might be a life spent doing nothing but playing eroge and posting on /jp/, but a great life for someone else might be something completely different.

Nothing has any inherit value, so you have to assign value to things in life based upon your own personality and what you personally find enjoyable. The trap you must avoid though is allowing society, family, or other people tell you what is a good life, rather than determining it on your own.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:23:57 2012 No.8792680 >>8792675 same.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:24:27 2012 No.8792684

>>8792642

>Why would anyone care about this?

Because millions of years of evolution are hard to fight against. Because 99% of people fap and still have some trace of a sex-drive even though they aren't reproducing.

>Immortality is impossible and leaving a legacy has no meaning.

It has no meaning to you If you have no legacy to leave behind. If you worked all your life and achieved things that you are proud of you wouldn't want them to go to waste, would you? To have your effort be in vain? In the end you are right now communicating with me using means that wouldn't exist if people thought a legacy was meaningless.

>It's shameful to allow your life to be controlled by such a thing.

How is it anymore shameful than being a hikki, if it makes someone happy? Also, you are also controlled by instincts, just that your instincts cause you to hide in your basement.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:26:28 2012 No.8792689

>>8792678

this might be so in some very special cases,
but generally you'll find deep within a NEETs noggin that there is something more.
Of course i know that everything is subjective;
you're making a pretty simple argument that i've heard so many times before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:29:58 2012 No.8792699 >>8792684 Yes. Once you've actually done something nobody has ever done before... there is nothing like that. Of course, the world isn't balanced like most people say. The amount of work put into something does not necessarily = the result

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:31:27 2012 No.8792707 >>8792699 >Yes. Once you've actually done something nobody has ever done before... No. It doesn't have to be anything big. Every little bit counts in the end. >there is nothing like that. How do you know?

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:36:57 2012 No.8792731

>>8792684

>How is it anymore shameful than being a hikki, if it makes someone happy?
>if it makes someone happy?

That's exactly what it all boils down to though. There is nothing wrong with raising a family or reproducing, but only if it truly makes you happy to do so.

The problem arises when you look out at the people who didn't consider this and just had sex because they blindly followed their instincts or social pressure. They are unhappy, their life cannot support the children they have, and that decision did not make them happy. You must always consider the long-term consequences of any decision. Instincts are not based in reason and to blindly follow an instinct will lead to far more unhappiness than the momentary joy that came from the initial pleasure of satisfying that instinct to breed. This is clearly visible in any poor area where they have far more children than they are able to feed and they are miserable because of the overwhelming stress.

If what makes you happy in life is really just creating a family then by all means you should pursue that with all of your heart, but if you simply want kids because of the social pressure of "it's expected for me to have kids by a certain age and my family will be disappointed, so I should do it" then you aren't following your own happiness, but rather the opinions of others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:37:27 2012 No.8792732 >>8792707 hmm, i guess i dont know... But i PRESUME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:39:27 2012 No.8792742
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I am legally NEET but I still sometimes work and earn money off the books. I do that so I can still reap the benefits from the government while making a nice bit of money on the side. I live alone without my parents and I live a nice cozy life. I don't feel any guilt.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:42:27 2012 No.8792759

>>8792731

I don't disagree with any of that. Doing something because society tells you is stupid, doing something that your instincts and genes tell you is perfectly fine. The two might overlap but they are not the same. I was just explaining to the guy why his parents, as people who are all in with passing their genes on, would care about it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:42:27 2012 No.8792760 >>8792742 this sounds like a pretty nice life.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:47:57 2012 No.8792780

>>8792689

>but generally you'll find deep within a NEETs noggin that there is something more.
>that there is something more

What else is there though? I'll agree that this definitely applies to a NEET or a hikki who is like this out of anxiety. Inhibition is just the suppression of your personality, but there many reasons for why someone not chained down by inhibitions would want to live this lifestyle.

Schizoids, people who genuinely dislike the company of humans, monks, hermits, scholars or spiritual people who have ambitions that lie in the pursuit of internal goals like expanding their mind or experiencing different states of consciousness. All of these people fit the definition of a hikki, but they are doing what they love.

Isolating yourself out of fear is to suppress yourself and these people should consider some way to defeat their anxieties or at least find what they love most in life, but there are many reasons for isolation that are based in being happy and following what you're passionate about and there is no shame in that. It's very admirable to live a life of doing what you enjoy because to do anything else is to live a life that wasn't worth living in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 17:51:27 2012 No.8792796 >>8792780 ok, yes. You used examples so you make a very good point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 18:46:58 2012 No.8793020 >>8792484 >>8792486 >>8792499 >>8792507 >>8792518 >Only caring about reproduction. Fuck off back to >>>/soc/

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 19:09:58 2012 No.8793122

I became a NEET due to very high social anxiety. It led to me being unable to go to college so I dropped out. I don't know if what I feel can be called guilt but I really hate the fact that I'm unable to do what I want with my life because of a stupid feeling I can't control.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 20:06:38 2012 No.8793294 >>8792476 Yes, exactly. An invisible wall, a mental block. A mind over matter, sort of thing. You're aware of the situation, but you can't help it. Very strange feel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 20:15:38 2012 No.8793340 Speaking personally, I'd say lack of guilt. I stay in all day every day because I just don't give a fuck.

Dear NEETs Adventurer D Mon Apr 2 20:30:08 2012 No.8793394

Hiya. Don't feel too bad, I used to be a NEET like you. One day, I decided to change everything. I ventured out and got a job. This was... 5 years ago (wow, how time flies).

I wish to send a warning back: it is difficult. Very difficult. And people can truly be monsters. I don't think I'm as unhappy now as I was back then... even with the difficulties. It's a bit better than being bored every waking moment.

If only there was a way to be half NEET. To still leave the home, engage with people, bring home the bacon, and buy anime figures. I think it is called retirement. Only 28 now, but I'll keep exploring and let you guys know.

In the meantime, any questions I can help you all with?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 20:32:08 2012 No.8793401 Why would I feel guilty as a NEET?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 20:37:38 2012 No.8793417 >>8793394 Did you finish college/university?

>>	Adventurer D Mon Apr 2 20:40:38 2012 No.8793423 >>8793417 Yes I did. Work will be paying for my master's as well!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 20:43:09 2012 No.8793435 >>8793394 Dear Dr. NEET I have not ever worked; what kind of employment should I seek that pays enough to sustain myself frugally?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 20:46:08 2012 No.8793449 File: 28 KB, 800x473, 1331770056876.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8792646 it's probably subconscious

Adventurer D Mon Apr 2 20:58:08 2012 No.8793496

>>8793435
Dr. NEET, has a nice ring to it!

Hmm. I'm sure you've heard of the comparison:

>"Back in my day, one would start working in the mailroom of a company and work their way up! Nowadays, you need a degree in Mailrooming to just get your foot in the door."

But, this is the hand life has given you, no choice but to work for your keep. Since you have nothing holding you back- why not shoot for something that most people will never have? Work for an industry or something that interests you (but not videogames/anime haha). If you find something that really interests you, you will naturally shine during the interview and while doing the mundane bullshit. It'll take some time to get rid of the social awkwardness (god knows I still have trouble with voice projection and eye contact), but you are the only one who will make your life. I force myself to look people in the eye and hold my ground in heated discussions.

Sorry that is really freaking vague =/ But as is life.

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