Lion has a dick, right /jp/?

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Anonymous Sun Mar 18 22:37:21 2012 No.8724331 [Reply] [Original]

Lion has a dick, right /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 22:40:21 2012 No.8724340 Male raised female so yes The name alone should've given it away really who names a female "Lion"

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 22:53:20 2012 No.8724387 Lion without a dick is not Lion

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 22:53:50 2012 No.8724394 >>8724340 it's a guy

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 22:59:20 2012 No.8724416 >>8724340 It doesn't make any sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 22:59:21 2012 No.8724419 >>8724340 ur mom she naemd ur illegitimate bruther lion from bcus my dick in hr ass had the saejm majesty as mufusa from the lionj king

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:04:50 2012 No.8724438 without love her dick cannot be seen

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:07:51 2012 No.8724457 >>8724438 his No surprise you didn't understand umineko.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:09:51 2012 No.8724462 >>8724438 I thought that in the last tread everyone agreed that Yasu was born male

Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:11:51 2012 No.8724469
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Guys, I know very well that it's entirely possible that Lion is male, but to be honest, EP5 is the only thing that supports this, and even then, the voice on the phone was definitely stated to be of ambiguous gender. Also, Natsuhi didn't want anything to do with the baby and had servants to take care of it in her stead, and it was only in her care for a few days anyway, so why not consider the possibility that she just assumed the baby was male because Kinzo was probably looking for an heir and he's sexist?

There's also the fact that pretty much everything other than EP5 leads us to believe that he/she is actually female, or at the very least, has always taken on a female role in life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:14:50 2012 No.8724474 Lion's probably a guy. Ryukishi would love to make Battler and George both gay. Umineko in its entirety was a genderfuckery VN.

Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:23:51 2012 No.8724523

>>8724469
Yasu was born male, raised as female.
And yeah... what about Kanon, Zepar and Furfur shit, Lion and the last gay porn tip? The fact that it's really improbable that Lion is a girl in his world, unless it was a bunch of illogical shit. Why the man from 19 years ago even appeared as male but not of ambigious gender if Nappi didn't know his real sex anyway? And what if she knew? The're is no guarantee that she didn't. And she seem to know, because why else she hadn't suspected Erika, when Genji just informed her about guest arrival and she calmed down once she learned thet it was a girl, ha? Holes everywhere.
Were you even in the last tread, guy?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:27:50 2012 No.8724545 She/he's an angel, no gender.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:29:21 2012 No.8724555 >>8724545 Sadly Yasu is not, which makes Lion a human with a gender.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:34:50 2012 No.8724586 Can we see him naked?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:36:50 2012 No.8724602 penis and testes destroyed on rocks, limited testosterone, girly boy

Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:37:50 2012 No.8724610

>>8724523
First off, I'm not trying to say that Lion is a girl. I'm saying that there is no conclusive evidence either way, so why jump to the conclusion that Lion is a guy?

>Kanon
I don't see how wanting a little brother (which is exactly what was said in EP7) correlates to "I'm secretly a guy."
>Zepar and Furfur
They're there to emphasize the role that love had in everything, especially with regard to Lion's inner conflict, and to be dramatic, and to show that gender isn't very important when it comes to love. That's how I see it, anyway.
>unless it was a bunch of illogical shit
What do you mean by this?
>Why the man from 19 years ago even appeared as male but not of ambigious gender if Nappi didn't know his real sex anyway?
That's like asking me why Lion appeared as a female throughout the entire rest of the series (aside from Kanon). The reasons for both of these are entirely up to interpretation and therefore do not necessarily imply it one way or another.
>And what if she knew? The're is no guarantee that she didn't.
All we can do is speculate on this, because there's no guarantee either way. I only raised the possibility that she might not have known, and the reasoning for why that might be the case.
>And she seem to know, because why else she hadn't suspected Erika, when Genji just informed her about guest arrival and she calmed down once she learned thet it was a girl, ha?
Because she thought Lion was a guy regardless of what gender he/she actually was. That much, I already explained.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:38:20 2012 No.8724615 >>8724523 Besides, from where Yasu would know whether Natsuhi knows? It's not like Genji was stalking her for whole three days and the only person that could have known was that servant who died. Maybe Yasu sees spirits or has an exelent memory? Dumb.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:41:50 2012 No.8724629 >and to show that gender isn't very important when it comes to love. well, that kinda worked for me. i'd like zepar regardless of gender.

Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:49:51 2012 No.8724656

>>8724602
I think that's more or less evident. People are still asking if the guy is male, but that's one of the few things in the whole fucking novel that are not hard to interpret.
How can you have a body that can't love, a body that enables you to pass as a person of both genres? Your family jewels get crushed, and that's that. No hormones, no libido, no male development, etc. If Yasu were a female, nothing like that could happen, save for some bizarre brain injury.
Simply by observing the nature of Yasu's suffering, this level of reasoning is possible for an anonymous goat. What do you think, everyone?

Anonymous Sun Mar 18 23:56:51 2012 No.8724702

>>8724610
>I don't see how wanting a little brother (which is exactly what was said in EP7) correlates to "I'm secretly a guy."
It was when Kanon was Shanon's imaginary friend. Once Yasu solved epytath and learned the truth about her body something changed and Kanon became as important as Shanon(also in their duel he states that he has equal chance in winning against her, so yeah). She had a gender disorder in last two years. It's obvious.

>to Lion's inner conflict
Since when Lion had a conflict? Everything I saw was an annoyed reply because of stupidity of this question.

>What do you mean by this?
Better read here:
http://akatokuro.tumblr.com/post/8970136535/thoughts-on-lions-gender

>That's like asking me why Lion appeared as a female
Lion's look gives ambiguous feelings. In the novel he appeared as a next family head, male clothes, guy's manners, also the man from 19 yers ago, who was talking about being Jessica's older brother by one year and stuff. Not really feminine in Ushiromiya family.

>Because she thought Lion was a guy regardless of what gender he/she actually was. That much, I already explained.
Still she couldn't be sure without cheking herself and >>8724615

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 00:16:20 2012 No.8724817 >>8724523 Will/Lion/Hideyosi otp

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Anonymous Mon Mar 19 00:46:20 2012 No.8724920

>>8724656
Ovaries can be destroyed, especially if you're an infant who just fell off a cliff with a bunch of sharp rocks below, and you receive injuries that are so bad that the doctor says it's a miracle you survived.
>something changed and Kanon became as important as Shanon
Kanon was created roughly half a year before Lion solved the epitaph, I'm pretty sure. We also never saw how important he was before it happened, so he wasn't necessarily less important then.
>(also in their duel he states that he has equal chance in winning against her, so yeah)
Isn't that only referring to his love for Jessica? That says nothing about Lion's gender.
>Since when Lion had a conflict?
Yasu also shares the name Lion, you know. I'm talking about Yasu. Remember EP6? A huge part of it was the conflict between personas. And at the very least, it's true that Lion loved both Battler and George, so there was a conflict.
>Lion's look gives ambiguous feelings.
Will even mentioned that, throughout Umineko, a point had been made of making Lion's gender ambiguous. So yes, it was ambiguous, and that's my entire point here. Ambiguous =/= definitely male. Lion could even be a hermaphrodite, or some shit like that.
>next family head
Because Kinzo wanted Lion to be the next head, yes. And Kinzo loved Beatrice, so he would have made Lion the heir even if Lion was a girl. So, this implies nothing.
>male clothes, guy's manners
This much is entirely up to the reader's opinion. It seemed ambiguous to me.

>Still she couldn't be sure without cheking herself
Just like how you can't be sure of it without checking yourself, and yet you seem pretty sure, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 00:52:50 2012 No.8724942 >>8724920 >Ovaries can be destroyed She'd still be able to feel pleasure and take a good dicking. A male with (actually, without) a destroyed penis and testicles, on the other hand...

Anonymous Mon Mar 19 00:56:51 2012 No.8724955

>>8724942
"A body that cannot love" could mean any number of things. In an interview, R07 made a big point of saying that Yasu cannot have George's baby, so that's about the only thing that's certain...

I think that the entire reason for Yasu being portrayed with an ambiguous gender is the "body that cannot love" thing, which caused him/her to develop a furniture complex.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 00:57:51 2012 No.8724957 If Lion was a female to begin with, there wouldn't be any reason to make it ambiguous.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 00:59:51 2012 No.8724966 >>8724957 Furniture complex. I just explained that much.

Anonymous Mon Mar 19 01:16:21 2012 No.8725020

>>8724920
>Kanon was created roughly half a year before Lion solved the epitaph, I'm pretty sure.
That was the time when Kanon was Shanon's imaginary friend. Nothing more.

>Isn't that only referring to his love for Jessica? That says nothing about Lion's gender.
It says that Kanon is equal to Shanon in Yasu's gender disorder. That implies that Yasu was genderless.

>Yasu also shares the name Lion, you know. I'm talking about Yasu.
Can you write like a normal person? Not everyone can understand what you mean by name Lion since two characters share it.

>Remember EP6? A huge part of it was the conflict between personas. And at the very least, it's true that Lion loved both Battler and George, so there was a conflict.
Jessica was there as well. And the conflict was about Yasu's love problems which came from her furniture complex.

>Will even mentioned that, throughout Umineko, a point had been made of making Lion's gender ambiguous.
And he says that it's a mystery. Ryu gave more than enough hints to solve it.

>Lion could even be a hermaphrodite, or some shit like that
It doesn't make much sense. Did you even read this?
http://akatokuro.tumblr.com/post/8970136535/thoughts-on-lions-gender

>Because Kinzo wanted Lion to be the next head, yes. And Kinzo loved Beatrice, so he would have made Lion the heir even if Lion was a girl.
Eww... I don't wanna copypast stuff from that link, so just read it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 01:18:20 2012 No.8725030 >>8724966 and what does it come from?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 01:19:51 2012 No.8725039 Delicious Kawasumi Ayako voice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 01:21:21 2012 No.8725044 >>8725039 On a trap.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 01:26:51 2012 No.8725068 >>8724955 And Ryu said that Yasu's body is unable to make love. So it means not just children but sex as well.

Anonymous Mon Mar 19 01:58:21 2012 No.8725140

>>8725030
And I just explained that too: because he/she saw him/herself as subhuman due to not being able to procreate for whatever reason. Honestly, even if it's a guy with a damaged penis, that wouldn't justify it any better.

>>8725068
It's entirely possible that there is some disability which complicates this in some major way. Also, Japanese words have multiple meanings, and this was only said in one instance...

>>8725020
>That was the time when Kanon was Shanon's imaginary friend. Nothing more.
This is Yasu we're talking about. Imaginary friends are just as valid as real people to him/her.
>It says that Kanon is equal to Shanon in Yasu's gender disorder.
It's a battle to test their love, not their importance. What does gender have to do with love?
>That implies that Yasu was genderless.
Genderless? I thought you believe that Yasu is male (which is possible, of course).
>And he says that it's a mystery. Ryu gave more than enough hints to solve it.
Didn't he also say that there really wasn't enough hints for him to find the answer? He asked Lion about it, Lion didn't respond, and then he decided he didn't care about it anymore and never mentioned it again.
>Did you even read this?
I plan to read it. But since it's very long, and I'm a slow reader, I don't have the opportunity to at the moment.

Anonymous Mon Mar 19 02:26:51 2012 No.8725226

>>8725140
>This is Yasu we're talking about. Imaginary friends are just as valid as real people to him/her.
No, they're not. She's not delusional or something.

>It's a battle to test their love, not their importance. What does gender have to do with love?
If you solve Kanon\Shanon quiz in ep8 they talk about a duel they were supposed to do much sooner. The duel happens without love trial, which screams that their duel has different meaning from love trial. For example, if Yasu is genderless and wants to decide with wich gender she will settle down everything?

>Genderless? I thought you believe that Yasu is male (which is possible, of course).
In the cliff acsident became genderless and was raised as a girl, before was male. That's what I think.

>Didn't he also say that there really wasn't enough hints for him to find the answer?
No, he didn't say anything.

>He asked Lion about it
He asked because he wanted to confirm his theory, like with three Beatriches, how Maria met Beato and other. It's just Lion refused to answer.

>and then he decided he didn't care about it anymore and never mentioned it again.
He didn't mentonied it because it was rude to Yasu, to her "heart".

>I plan to read it. But since it's very long, and I'm a slow reader, I don't have the opportunity to at the moment.
Be sure to read it. It's very interesting and makes a lot of sense, to me atleast.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 03:17:51 2012 No.8725329 >>8725140 When Yasu said that her body is unable to make love in japanese she meant it in sexual way. It was discussed right after ep7 came out.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 04:04:53 2012 No.8725439 >>8725349 HUEHUEHUE OH NO SPOILERS XDDDDDD

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 11:17:26 2012 No.8726785 Wake up people!

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>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 14:05:25 2012 No.8727542 In Umineko, are we ever shown the initial Yasu that started all these endless iterations? Or is it just a mentioned only character?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 14:21:55 2012 No.8727595 >>8727009 I'm sorry, Battler.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 19 16:29:25 2012 No.8728205 >>8727542 Yes. In the 7th novel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 01:35:31 2012 No.8730388 So everyone agrees that Lion has a dick?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 01:47:30 2012 No.8730429 Umineko is such a bullshit

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 12:36:21 2012 No.8731775 >>8730429 You are a bullshit/

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 12:45:20 2012 No.8731790 Hey assholes. Where can i download umineko chapter one?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 12:50:50 2012 No.8731796 >>8731790 Wanna read the novel because of traps~?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 13:31:20 2012 No.8731895 >>8731796 Not necessarily but because it is famous. And my friend recommended it... Last time when i saw him...

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 13:33:20 2012 No.8731898 I like how r07 is fine with writing about how Kinzo turned his own child into a sex slave, but Yasu having gender identity disorder is apparently an "adult" topic that needs to be hinted at.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 14:19:50 2012 No.8732054 >>8731898 I find it really funny.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 14:22:20 2012 No.8732068 >>8731898 That's because Yasu's situation is about heart and such.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 14:23:50 2012 No.8732079 Fuck yasu,shitty boring answer,shitty motive she ruined umineko. 1-4 were the only good eps before all the shannon/kanon shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 14:25:50 2012 No.8732091 >So everyone agrees that Lion has a dick? Nope. Yasu lost his dick when he was thrown down the cliff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 14:30:20 2012 No.8732113 >>8732091 Lion isn't Yasu. Lion was never thrown off a cliff. QED, Lion has his dick.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 15:16:51 2012 No.8732301 >>8732113 Great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 15:18:50 2012 No.8732309 >>8732091 oh my, are you that Touya guy who doesn't want to call Yasu Yasu?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 15:54:51 2012 No.8732444 The big question is why Yasu didn't use the gold to get surgery done for all the penises and boobs Yasu would ever want. Money can get you anything!

Anonymous Tue Mar 20 16:17:21 2012 No.8732540

>>8732091
You can't lose your penis by being thrown off a cliff. Dicks aren't made of glass.

Yasu's real problem is that Genji, Nanjo, and Kumasawa are a couple of retards. I mean seriously, raising him as a girl and forcing him to become a servant? Fuck where they thinking?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 16:19:51 2012 No.8732553 >>8732540 Tell that to real people who lost their dicks, guy. Such things happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 17:43:22 2012 No.8732949 >>8732540 >You can't lose your penis by being thrown off a cliff. Dicks aren't made of glass. There were sharp rocks down there, so it was possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 17:56:21 2012 No.8733006 >>8732540 No, not made of glass, but when something falls some meters into a floor of sharp rocks, it doesn't have to be made of glass to break.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 18:03:21 2012 No.8733030 >>8733006 ten meters, to be accurate

Anonymous Tue Mar 20 18:14:32 2012 No.8733066

>>8732540
Since Yasu was dickless it was dangerous to present him/her as a boy, even with lowered age. And because of the lack of testosterone Yasu wouldn't develop, unless getting injected, what is also quite suspicious.
People with such problems nearly always are raised as girls.

Anonymous Tue Mar 20 19:08:33 2012 No.8733307

Having gender identity disorder does not mean your penis magically broke off from a fall of a cliff. I mean, when's the last time you heard of someone having their dick removed due to a fall? Yasu's mental issues comes from the fact that he was forced to live as a female, when his true gender is male. The whole "body unable to love" could mean anything. Since it was in reference to George's desire to have kids (which is a dick move, considering the fact he apparently knows about Yasu's dick), it probably just means that since Yasu has no womb, he's unable to have a baby. It doesn't mean his dick is magically gone.

Anonymous Tue Mar 20 19:16:03 2012 No.8733352

>>8733307
"he apparently knows about Yasu's dick"
He does? That's the first I've heard of this... After all, R07 pretty much confirmed that George does not know of Yasu's complications in the Answer interview, and that if he did, he would change his dreams to account for it.

Anonymous Tue Mar 20 19:28:32 2012 No.8733407

>>8733307
Don't know if troll...
Look, nobody is saying he lost his genitals BECAUSE he has some disorder.
I don't know if it was at the end of EP6 or EP7, but there was a scene with a few 1-page flashbacks, where you can feel his suffering. In one of them he curses Genji and etc. for letting him live with 'this kind of body that can't love' or something.
Why the fuck would they raise a healthy male as a female, huh?
Also, we're not talking about it 'magically breaking off'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_fracture
>Non-surgical approaches result in 10%-50% complication rates including erectile dysfunction, permanent penile curvature, damage to the urethra and pain during sexual intercourse.
And that's not even close to what could happen to a BABY if he FELL TEN METERS into ROCKS.
Sure, you could present the possibility of Yasu being an infertile female. But if you consider everything, there's no way R07 would make it AMBIGOUS AS FUCK if that was the case.

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Anonymous Tue Mar 20 19:45:03 2012 No.8733468

>>8733431
I still dont understand the Shannon/kanon thing and how they couldn't tell. you i really dont care, umineko went down hill as soon as all that yasu and LOVE shit started and beato died. If beato stayed real and battler kept on fighting, and the whole yasu thing wasn't the answer, i have a feeling umineko would of been much fucking better.

Anonymous Tue Mar 20 19:55:03 2012 No.8733500 [DELETED]

>>8733468
It's not necessarily worse this way. It's just much more complicated.

If you think deeply enough on it, it is possible to arrive at an answer that satisfies you just as much. Is it the real answer? There's no way to know.

Besides, it's also possible to reason that Beato really was a real witch outside of the game boards. That's just how open Umineko is to interpretation.

And by the way, accepting magic in Umineko is not necessarily the same as "refusing to think further." It's not nearly as simple as "witches did it" unless you just want it to be.

For example. Obviously, on the game boards, it had to be possible for humans to do everything, or else it wouldn't be a fair fight between witches and humans, fantasy and mystery, anti-fantasy and anti-mystery. With this in mind, all of those locked room mysteries don't crumble with a mere "it's magic."

And this is only natural, because Beatrice was a person who loved by Fantasy and Mystery.

Anonymous Tue Mar 20 19:59:33 2012 No.8733506

>>8733468
I hate the Shkanon thing as much as the next guy, don't misunderstand me, but I can at least forgive the crossdressing. Well, not from the point of view of the cousins (George PROPOSED MARRIAGE to a guy crossdressing as a girl?), but from the siblings'. We only know about few servants because they were the ones that were in the island those days. But only because of that were Natsuhi and Krauss made to interact that much with Shkanon. Normally, it works out as "Shannon/Kanon/Servant, bring me tea please. Thanks. Did you close the windows? Good. You can go". It's easy to imagine how Natsuhi and Krauss didn't think much about it. That's if Genji arranged paying twice to the same person and etc.
It's idiotic, but understandable.

Anonymous Tue Mar 20 20:08:33 2012 No.8733539

>>8733506
The one thing that pissed me off was how fucking much of a pussy battler turned out to be. He went from being a really good mc in the start and the twists made it even better, but then he stopped fighting all together, i mean what was the whole point of turning the chess board over? I mean he just went, well i guess ill fucking give up, the end. It was a huge let down and hes whole entire character went downward. All through ep6-8 i was waiting for them to turn the chess board over and crack the screen, thus fighting back against all the yasu and love bullshit.

Anonymous Tue Mar 20 20:11:03 2012 No.8733550
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>Lion has a dick, right /jp/?

Stop puting dicks to fucking EVERYTHING! god damn it! I'm sick of seeing fucking penises on /jp/! If I wanted to see a good penis I would look inside my pants!

Seriously, I am not homofobic. But if there is a reason why homofobia exists, it's definitively YOU.

I like mi drawn girls natural and without a fucking damn penis, so stop corrupting them!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 20:12:04 2012 No.8733553 >>8733550 blame /soc/ and them destroying /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 20:14:33 2012 No.8733560 >>8733553 Please return to your shitty meta-thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 20:21:04 2012 No.8733583 >>8733560 Where you not here when /jp/ wasn't gay and hated anything 3d sex? now you guys act like gay normalfags.

Anonymous Tue Mar 20 20:33:36 2012 No.8733620
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The problem is not only to talk about penises. The problem is:

> Girls with dicks thread.
> "Would you suck it, /jp/?" threads with photograps of a real and disgusting penis (I'm tired of reporting these).
> Guys wearing panties threads.
> "Little Girl Wannabe" threads.

etc etc.

What does all of this has to do with /jp/ anyways? Go to fucking /hm/, you morons!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 22:01:34 2012 No.8733931 >8733539 I think he figured out who the real killers were around the end of Episode 5 and decided he didn't want that to become known - so he defected and worked for the witches' side instead. That was about when I guessed who the killers were.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 20 22:10:33 2012 No.8733956 >>8733620 Is this trolling or is there just someone this retarded on /jp/? I thought we were better than this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 21 00:45:40 2012 No.8734539 >>8733931 And who are the killers?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 21 00:49:40 2012 No.8734552 >>8733956 Is your post trolling or is there just someone this retarded on /jp/? I know for a fact we're not better than that, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 21 00:55:40 2012 No.8734569 >>8733620 Traps aren't allowed in /hm/, moot said so

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 21 16:54:40 2012 No.8737138 So everyone agrees that Lion has a dick?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 21 16:58:39 2012 No.8737155 >>8733956 Of course trolling, stop replying.

Anonymous Wed Mar 21 17:45:10 2012 No.8737309

>>8733407
>In one of them he curses Genji and etc. for letting him live with 'this kind of body that can't love' or something.
Yasu is mentally disturbed and bugging out because he can't pop out the babies that George wants. Of course he's going to blame the people that "forced" him to live.

>Why the fuck would they raise a healthy male as a female, huh?
These are the same people who stood around while a man raised his daughter to be a sex toy. In other words, why the fuck not?

>And that's not even close to what could happen to a BABY if he FELL TEN METERS into ROCKS.

Then he should have worse injuries than a broken fucking dick. The fact that he is alive itself is some kind of miracle, considering his mother fell from the same damn cliffs and BROKE HER FUCKING NECK.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 11:11:31 2012 No.8740143 File: 491 KB, 520x1112, rio_a13_痛い１.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] H-how ypu can even talk about such things?! You have no shame!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 11:41:31 2012 No.8740207 >>8740143 this is 4chan, nobody has any shame here, my good leon. shame is for girls and betas.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 11:58:01 2012 No.8740271 File: 505 KB, 1400x1900, 396232.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8740143 because the se goats need fed and we only care about the truth not magic

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:01:30 2012 No.8740279 So no one's posting any trap porn then? Right, well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:06:00 2012 No.8740299 >>8740279 there's hardly any zepar porn (2 coop fellatios with furfur), and most of lion stuff is with female lion. i don't remember anymore traps in seacats.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:08:30 2012 No.8740300 >>8740207 But everyone on /jp/ is beta, what are you talking about? >>8740271 "because the se goats need fed and we only care about our opinions not magic" ftfy

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:25:31 2012 No.8740358 >>8740207 >on 4chan >not beta Who am I quoting?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:27:00 2012 No.8740368 File: 160 KB, 512x600, 21388696_p8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8740279 Lion is too pure for such lewd things.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:48:30 2012 No.8740452 >>8740368 what is this shit? a dick?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 12:57:30 2012 No.8740487 >>8740368 But one day he'll need to pleasure Will

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:16:30 2012 No.8740560 >>8740368 Someone translate it

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:46:31 2012 No.8740673 File: 506 KB, 568x1112, rio_a12_怒り１ａ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8740207 That's not an excuse!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:48:31 2012 No.8740679 File: 332 KB, 640x480, 1331223777962.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Everyone is about to get their ass pinched. EVERYONE.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:49:30 2012 No.8740680 File: 520 KB, 664x1112, rio_a11_驚き１.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8740368 Wh-what is this?! Who made it? I would never wear anything like that!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 13:59:30 2012 No.8740705 File: 441 KB, 515x1100, rio_b11_怒り１ａ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8740679 This tread will not be closed until I get my replies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:18:31 2012 No.8740778 File: 220 KB, 679x739, 21388696_p6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8740680 Your lewdness knows no bounds, Lion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:29:32 2012 No.8740813 File: 497 KB, 520x1112, rio_a13_叫ぶ２.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8740778 How can you even draw things like that! You're shameless person! Do you even have respect for other people?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:37:32 2012 No.8740842 File: 159 KB, 550x600, 21388696_p9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can one family be so lewd?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:43:01 2012 No.8740862 File: 236 KB, 1000x750, 25.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The things i would do to his cock, dude

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 14:44:01 2012 No.8740863 His lewdness is a great nightmare. His dick is defendless. It contracts every time i move, looking like a second reproductive organ. Lion's dick ---- The dirtiest part of him is right in front of me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 15:02:31 2012 No.8740928 File: 525 KB, 664x1112, rio_a11_叫ぶ２.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8740842 >>8740862 >>8740863 Stop this immediately!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 15:05:32 2012 No.8740937 File: 273 KB, 635x600, 21388696_p11.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8740928 You're a slut.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 15:10:02 2012 No.8740956 File: 168 KB, 555x600, 21388696_p10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 15:46:01 2012 No.8741069 File: 637 KB, 1280x960, 234576.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8740862 The things i would force him to do to my cock, dude

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 15:58:01 2012 No.8741103 File: 633 KB, 801x1208, wil_b12_ニヤリ１.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8740928 Don't worry Lion, I'll make you cum until you die.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:02:31 2012 No.8741117 File: 505 KB, 568x1112, rio_a12_驚き１.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8741103 W-Will? A-are you alright?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:17:31 2012 No.8741156 File: 485 KB, 864x1200, 23581861_p3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So much lewdness.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:19:02 2012 No.8741162 File: 27 KB, 231x471, Toya.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8741103 Shut up, Battler.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:32:31 2012 No.8741218 File: 652 KB, 873x1208, but_d24_驚き２.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8741162 Ikuko, don't jump in like that!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:33:32 2012 No.8741224 >>8741156 We need only male Lions here

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:35:32 2012 No.8741234

I believe the miracle depends on gender.

"Lion" is born a girl usually, get thrown off a cliff, becomes "Yasu" and the tragedy happens.
In the small chance of a miracle, Lion is a boy, and remains with Natsuhi.
We can justify it in few ways:
1. Natsuhi has "less motive" to throw the baby off the cliff if it's a boy. If she has a boy, of the first son, she can be almost certain he'll become the head of the family, when it's a girl, it's just a whining girl. If HER raised baby will become the head, she has a reason to hold back her pride in order to become the mother of the family head. What makes it the "Core" of the entire mystery.

2. Zepar and Furfur are each other's opposite gender, it's implying Yasu and Lion are also opposite genders.

3. We know incest children tend to be confused over their genders sometimes, or be sexually confused. I think Lion is a very girly girl.
Now, Natsuhi will probably won't let her SON grow long hair, but in the same amount won't let her DAUGTHER wear pants. However, if Lion is a boy, Kinzo will probably approve letting him grow long hair, since it will help Kinzo see Beatrice more in him, like a small hope for him.

Besides, if Lion was a girl, I believe that at least in Beatrice funeral, Kinzo would liked her to wear a dress there.

Miracle depends on gender. Yasu is a [damaged from cliff falling] girl and Lion is a girlish boy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:35:32 2012 No.8741238 >>8741156 he doesn't have a dick here, so it's not Lion

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:37:31 2012 No.8741252 >>8741234 are you dumb?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:41:31 2012 No.8741285 >>8741234 Read it: http://akatokuro.tumblr.com/post/14711892238/endlesswitch-goldennocturne-tohluse

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:43:01 2012 No.8741298 I like to think that at least Meta-Beatrice is a girl.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:44:01 2012 No.8741304 >I think Lion is a very girly girl. Guy, are you nuts?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:46:02 2012 No.8741315 >>8741298 She is and always will be one, even if Yasu was born as guy

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:50:02 2012 No.8741342

>>8741252
I love you too, anon.

>>8741285
I know Tumblr guys, don't like the fandom there.
The point is, miracle or not, we're talking about human feelings. I believe the miracle is not about if Natsuhi was in the mood to kill a baby or not, but needs more a motive, or more to say, LESS MOTIVE to kill the baby.
If she has a promised future to be the mother of the head, she might hold back her pride and not throw that baby, and if it's a girl, she has no reason to keep a child that's not hers.

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:55:03 2012 No.8741370

>>8741342
>I believe the miracle is not about if Natsuhi was in the mood to kill a baby or not, but needs more a motive, or more to say, LESS MOTIVE to kill the baby.
If she has a promised future to be the mother of the head, she might hold back her pride and not throw that baby, and if it's a girl, she has no reason to keep a child that's not hers.
OKAY THEN LETS TELL RYU THAT THE EXISTANCE OF THE MAN FROM 19 YEARS AGO AND THE ENTIRE EP5 IS POINTLESS AS WELL AS YASUS GENDER DISORDER AND HER MOTIVE FOR A MURDER HA HA HA
Besides Bern told that Nappi not throwing Lion from the cliff was just her whim

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 16:59:03 2012 No.8741391

lion was born female and raised male because kinzo would not accept a female heir.

meanwhile yasu was transgendered but which set of genatilia that actually worked were rendered useless when it fell off the cliff, so then yasu just indentified as female from then on because no working ponos or vagoo might as well be female

Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:02:02 2012 No.8741399

>>8741234
>Natsuhi has "less motive" to throw the baby off the cliff if it's a boy.

That makes no sense. Yasu being a boy gives her a hell of a lot of motive to toss his ass, especially once she found out she's pregnant. She made it pretty clear that she would do anything for her child, even to the point of becoming a demon, so offing Yasu makes complete sense. She wants her child to become the next head of the family, which would have never happened if Yasu had been allowed to live.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:02:02 2012 No.8741400 >>8741391 READ THE TREAD RETARD http://akatokuro.tumblr.com/post/8970136535/thoughts-on-lions-gender

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:04:32 2012 No.8741409 >>8741399 Yasus existance just hurted her pride

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:05:02 2012 No.8741417 >>8741391 >>8741234 Did they fell from the moon?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:11:02 2012 No.8741436 >>8741400 no because that was written by a dirty fujoshi

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:15:32 2012 No.8741451 >>8741436 OH WELL, AT LEAST SHE KNOWS THE TRUTH AND YOU DON'T

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:18:02 2012 No.8741465 >>8741451 If you actually believe that's the truth, you're a goat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:22:03 2012 No.8741481 Lion only has a dick in Battler's imagination. Because he's a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:24:33 2012 No.8741491 >>8741465 Really? You didn't even read it and your truth makes no sense at all. Go fuck yourself or suck Lion's dick.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:25:33 2012 No.8741499 >>8741465 >>8741481 a troll?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:27:02 2012 No.8741516 >>8741465 A heartless goat shit appeared

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:28:32 2012 No.8741522 >>8741481 Man, Battler's the one with the imaginary dick. I mean, it's obvious that Battler is Ikuko and Toya is Yasu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:30:02 2012 No.8741540 >>8741531 Only you don't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:30:04 2012 No.8741531 File: 246 KB, 1000x1000, 1279587524935.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] In the Golden Land everyone has a dick.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:30:32 2012 No.8741535 >>8741522 Yasu doesn't have a dick, Lion does

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:34:02 2012 No.8741566 >>8741522 Homophobes are coming.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:38:32 2012 No.8741587 >>8741535 >Yasu doesn't have a dick Yasu has a dick.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:41:02 2012 No.8741610 >>8741587 Since when? She lost it thanks to Nappi

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:44:32 2012 No.8741621 File: 104 KB, 850x359, 1306163708757.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Beatrice - Vagina Yasu - Cock Claire - Vagina Shannon - Cock??? Kanon - Cock Lion - Cock Choose your waifu accordingly

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:45:03 2012 No.8741633 >>8741610 So in some magic way he was tossed off a cliff and the only thing that happened was his dick got snipped? No crippled limbs. No broken neck. No dead body. Just a dick that's supposedly been snipped making him a girl? Shit makes no sense, son.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:50:33 2012 No.8741655 >>8741633 Then you want to say that Yasu is just an insaine gay transvestite?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:57:03 2012 No.8741683 >>8741655 Gender identity disorder =/= insane

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 17:59:02 2012 No.8741700 >>8741683 Okay, then just gay transvestite?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:05:32 2012 No.8741733 >>8741700 Pretty much.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:29:33 2012 No.8741838 >>8741069 Whose cock is that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:35:03 2012 No.8741866 >>8741838 Yours.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 22 18:59:02 2012 No.8741950 Isn't it obvious? If you pick magic, Yasu is a girl, and if you pick Trick, it is a trap.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 10:31:07 2012 No.8744581 >>8741655 So even if we say that Yasu didn't get dropped off a cliff, it's still somehow 100% certain that they're male?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:47:38 2012 No.8745347 >>8744581 Yes, people already discussed that earlier. It's certain.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:50:37 2012 No.8745352 The question can only be answered by lots and lots of H-doujins.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:53:37 2012 No.8745358 no big tits? Won't bang

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 14:57:37 2012 No.8745373 >>8745352 trolls again

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 15:22:08 2012 No.8745455 File: 202 KB, 656x556, lambdacross.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 15:29:07 2012 No.8745479 >>8745455 You can't read? We were discussing Lion/Yasu's gender and decided that they are male while some trolls were running around. FIN.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 15:48:08 2012 No.8745531 File: 1.03 MB, 826x1000, 12904074.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Leeewd

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 15:57:07 2012 No.8745566 >>8745531 Lion has a dick! Not hers but it's a dick and she has it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 16:00:07 2012 No.8745579 >>8745566 Everybody wins!

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 16:07:37 2012 No.8745599 >>8745566 when you'll stop trolling people, piglet?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 23 16:10:37 2012 No.8745604 >>8745566 Lion is a guy. Everything is already decided. You lost.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 04:31:43 2012 No.8747752 >>8745531 so much lewdness

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 17:22:09 2012 No.8750070 File: 502 KB, 568x1112, rio_a12_デフォ２.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thank godess, it stopped already. Do you hear me? No more of these discussions and pictures, they are disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 24 19:17:39 2012 No.8750524 File: 636 KB, 756x1219, but_b11_エロ１.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8750070 Are you ashamed, Lion-kun~?

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