/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

why haven't you learned Japanese yet /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

Tomorrow, I swear it!

[Anonymous No.]

Because it's useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652874
So are you, anon, so what difference does it make?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652871
You said that yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

I.. I'm not confident enough in my language learning abilities.

[Anonymous No.]

>implying I haven't

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652887
>implying you have

>implying we both don't deserve to be banned for misusing the quote function

[Anonymous No.]

too lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

Things will be different tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm on it, I started yesterday with my hira!

[Anonymous No.]

Seriously /jp/, just do it already.
If you like eroge, learning Japanese is just about the best thing you can do for yourself. You miss out on a lot if you only stick to translations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652880
This time for sure!

[Anonymous No.]

I am actually doing my Anki reps right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652884
You can learn it.
Ｉ　ｂｅｌｉｅｖｅ　ｉｎ　ｙｏｕ，　ａｎｏｎ．

[Anonymous No.]

Useless language, outside of doing it for recreational enjoyment. The benefit is that you gain access to the best Manga/Visual Novels/Roms and other books and stuff that'll never get translated, and never having to read subtitles, or need to read them again.

With how things are now I dont see the point, most good stuff gets translated, you could just get a job and college courses banged out and pay a translator with the money you'd get from an education, if you go nazi and learn it in 2 years.

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>>8652928

Good, I just finished a half hour ago.

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>>8652961
What if you want to move to glorious Nippon and get yourself a kawaii wife?

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>>8652961
That's really only true of anime. There are lots of great video games that don't get translated, and with visual novels you get the tip of the iceberg (almost always poorly translated, because of the length and complexity)

[b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc No.]

I try during the summers but then school comes along and no time I guess.

[KING OF /jp/ !2K23m85knQ No.]

>>8652975
get some Bachelor's degree and work as english teacher

[Anonymous No.]

I put so much time learning things that were supposed to be useful that turned out not to help me. If I had time again I would spend it differently, but now I lack the motivation and am ill.

[Anonymous No.]

It's a lot like getting a job. Or making things.

I swear once my backlog gets less insurmountable...

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>>8652961

Outside of your native language, do tell, which languages are "useful" Keep in mind Japan has the 2nd largest economy in the world.

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>>8652961
You could say that about almost any language outside of English and Chinese. I don't see how recreational purposes aren't a good reason to learn a language. And there is still tons of stuff that will never get translated regardless of its quality. Even the great VNs don't get translated for years after their release, if they ever do (see: Air).

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>>8652961
>most good stuff gets translated
Cool how you make this claim despite not knowing Japanese and thus not knowing the quality of stuff that doesn't get translated.

[Anonymous No.]

after getting incredibly bored memorizing kanji, I just started text-hooking visual novels and reading slowly, making sure I understood sentences. it was much more fun and my comprehension has improved dramatically in a few months

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>>8652989
But I want to make money with my job.

[KING OF /jp/ !2K23m85knQ No.]

>>8653005
its not that bad payed , depends how long you work for them and how many students take your class

[Anonymous No.]

I am studying it

I don't even know why, I'm not THAT into anime\manga\VNs

I guess I just feel good about spending my time learning rather than playing vidya

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>>8653004

I'm gonna start reading more once I have the core 2k down pat, I'm nearly done memorizing all the kanji meanings in kanji damage, just have to make sure I know the vocab to go with them.

[Anonymous No.]

I'll start tomorrow for sure. I just need like a week anyway because I skipped classes in harvard and have an IQ of 14 quadrillion.

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>>8653009
What if I want to get a different job there. Like, say, something a degree in computer science could get me. Do you know anything about that?

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>>8653021
Skipping your classes is never a good idea, anon.

I know what you meant.

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>>8653022

You'd either have to join a military branch or have a masters degree to get into glorious nippon that way.

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>>8653022
Get a job at a foreign company with offices in japan.

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>>8653030
I was planning on getting my master's anyway.

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>>8652930
I suppose I will give it my best shot. It's not like I have anything to lose. Thank you for believing in me, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

I am learning. The first day or two of a new lesson in Genki is the hardest because of the new group of vocab; however, using anki and using the new vocab in sentences with the grammar I already know takes care of that problem very quickly.

[KING OF /jp/ !2K23m85knQ No.]

>>8653022
Don't know , I think its possible , but depends on your Japanese skills and working exp.

I just know about some guy who worked at wall street for a few years and with 30 he came to japan and spend the first year as english teacher until he found a much much better job for some big company.

[b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc No.]

Actually aside from two schools here I did jokingly apply to a nippon university for a similar degree and go in somehow despite their program only taking 5 students a year. Kind of a big move but at least I could continue language learning during the school year ┐(´ー｀)┌

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>>8653058
How much Japanese did you know when you applied?

[b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc No.]

>>8653078
Minimal, it's an English program so it's not necessary.

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>>8653082
If you're in a generous mood, could you please tell more?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm too old to learn a new language.

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>>8653082

What's the program called? Is it just part of your school?

[b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc No.]

>>8653093
It's kind of unrelated to the OP. I'm getting another library sciences degree and applied to a school in Toronto, Montreal, and for fun in Japan at a school with the same program, but they have a smaller English one in addition to their normal Japanese one. For fun because I don't know if I'd actually go / didn't expect to get in since their English library degree only accepts 5 people, but I got in anyway so now contemplating going. Just blogging / semi related since I'd be able to continue language study during the school year as opposed to stopping after summer like I normally do.

[Anonymous No.]

I am learning, I just started last month and I am at 500 kanji and learned all of tae kim's basic grammar. I plan on learning all of the Jouyou Kanji and then moving on to compound words. I am not sure when I should start trying to reads things to help me out though, I tried to read Kizuato yesterday but the only thing I could make out was that he was dreaming, it was late at night, there was pitch black darkness, the MC's cousin is hot, he felt like he was in cage, and he kept begging for morning to come.

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>>8653113

It's related enough.

So you just found a college and applied to it? Where did you find it and how is your track record as a student? Do you figure if I just had an amazing GPA that I could just apply to a school and get student visa easily?

[Anonymous No.]

今ちゃんと勉強してますけどまったく難しい。
まるで基礎もぜんぜん知らないほど話そうとする時、ゆっくり考えなければ
文法的にゴミが出る。この文書だって、５分かかるし…

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>>8652961
>most good stuff gets translated

This is kind of attitude is just the worst.
I'm sure there's plenty of games that you'd love, but you'll never play them because the translators decided they aren't worth the effort.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been doing RTK for a few weeks and I'm on 305 so far.

[b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc No.]

>>8653141
I think while I was applying to the closer schools, I just looked around to see if there was something in japan, in english, out of curiosity.

It's a masters degree and I had to provide proof of my B.A. but didn't actually have to give a transcript which is good since my grades were pretty average. Since then I've gotten a library related diploma and my grades are all super high and I've gotten to work in the government in related fields through that, so I figured I had a good chance over someone just applying out of interesting after getting a bachelor's like one would normally do.

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>>8653173
How'd you find it, just googled "library sciences master's in japan"?

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>>8653159
その感じよく分かる

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>>8653022
There's demand for bilingual IT professionals and things to work for multinational companies or do international business or whatever. Depending on what sort of interactions they want you for they may prefer a foreigner to a Japanese in those roles.

English speakers without Japanese not so much anymore.

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>>8653164
Like Euphoria, for example.

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>>8653184
I've been learning Japanese for a year now, and still have a few more years before I have to worry about that. Hopefully I'll know enough to be considered 'bilingual' by then.

[b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc No.]

>>8653179
I forget, but something like this probably. I don't think anyone told me about it.

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>>8653140
>Not sure what to read.
An older RPG, for the Famicom or GB, perhaps.
They lack kanji, but still give decent script.

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>>8653049
>That pic
I really doubt that you will be able to learn Japanese that way, like it says it's harder to do at an old age so I don't think you can get the same immersion effect you get when you are young.
Also why not learn Kanji and be literate?
You're going to be spending so much time watching anime with subs you might as well just take that time to actually learn the language and become bilingual

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>>8653245
Are you that autistic as to not realize it is a joke?

[Anonymous No.]

>that feel when half-Japanese
>that feel when being raised learning both languages

Feels oftentimes useful, man. Now I'm planning to learn a third language. Any recommendations in terms of usefulness?

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>>8653183
>>8653159
誰か僕らに励ます言葉とかぺらぺら話せるようになれるコツを教えてくれ

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>>8653267
Not useful but Korean is pretty also are you that drawfag guy from the OC threads?

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>>8653262
Well it is on the brink of stupidity but I wouldn't be surprised if someone adheres to that

>>8653267
Knowing English is pretty much as good as it gets, every other language is sub-par in terms of usefulness. I really comes down to what place you'd like to visit in the future

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653267
German if you're in the EU.
Otherwise, Mandarin.
I'd learn Russian though, cause it sounds nice.

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>>8653267
You could learn Mandarin Chinese, the language of our future overlords.

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>>8653267
English is the 3rd most spoken language Spanish and Chinese(Mandarin) are above it

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>>8653267
Spanish, all the important chinese people already know how to speak english.

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>>8653292
>Russian sounds nice
It doesn't.

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>>8653354
I think French sounds nice.

[Anonymous No.]

I think Russian sounds nice when spoken by a girl. Unfortunately I am not one of those, so I will probably never attempt to learn it.

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>>8653359
So do I. I prefer my basic knowledge of French over my slightly more comprehensive knowledge of Russian.
>>8653362
Perhaps.
И and Ы are difficult to differentiate, though.

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>>8653362
Native Russian speaker here,

This language just generally sounds like shit, too many hard sounds, lots of Xh words (like the ones that are replaced by H in English)... just generally not a very soft language compared to others

Also studying a language because you think it sounds good is silly.

>>8653267
Might as well go for Chinese, since it's the most commonly spoken, besides English, all other languages are pretty much equal in terms of usefulness

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>>8653380
How hard is French to learn for a native English speaker? I might learn it someday.

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>>8653392
French is super easy go for it.

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>>8653390
Soft doesn't mean that it sounds nice.

Seriously, on top of my native language I studied English, French, German, and now Japanese, and thanks to my family I heard a my share of Russian and Arabic.

Out of those, Japanese and Russian are the best sounding.

French is by far the worst. I have no fucking clue where the stereotype that it sounds romantic or sexy came from.

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>>8653392
All the words in french are the same.
I hear that the grammar is more difficult than Spanish, but I don't care.
Grammar is the easy part of a language, remembering the genders of French words is more difficult.
At least Russian has A and Ya for female, Ye and O for neutral.
>Also, inb4 /lang/ thread

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>>8653465
Russian has differentiation for verbs between Gender, and time, so you need to remember like 6 variations for every verb, and don't even mention the exceptions

I think it's harder than French, or most other languages in terms of grammar

That being said though, difficulty shouldn't deter anyone from learning a language

[Anonymous No.]

I shall know between four to six languages in my life. And it won't be like the idiots who say that they know Spanish, Portuguese, French, and Italian and are proud of it.
Most of them will be from different language families.
Really, once you learn your second language, it becomes so much easier to learn a third.

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>>8653495
English has irregular time variations in verbs too.
Run, Ran.
Did you forget that French also has those six present tense variations, same as in Russian?
French has many more exceptions, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653514
Russian grammar is definitely harder to learn than French.
Slavic languages are pretty much the hardest European languages to learn. Romance languages are the easiest.

[Anonymous No.]

Back to the context of the thread

How is Genki for learning Japanese?
Have any of you read it, how are your experiences with it?

I downloaded it, at lesson 2 now

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653528
>Russian grammar is definitely harder to learn than French.

[Anonymous No.]

誰も上級レベルまで日本語を習ってないの？いや、日本語だけじゃなく、外
国語のどれでも一つ。話さないで本やゲームや教科書だけ使ったらいつか
上手に話すことが出来るか？なんか、会話は必要じゃない感じがしますけ
ど基礎を身に着けないとな

[Anonymous No.]

OTOKONOKO WA
JUUCU O NONDE IMASU

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653616

Isn't that a girl though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653616

That's an onnanoko, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653627
>>8653621
年増

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>>8653390
Incidentally, there are about nine times more Chinese than Americans. For business, Japan, Germany, Chinese are great, but aside from that Chinese isn't worth crap. Japanese have there animus and Germany have their scientist papers.

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>>8653616
女の子は俺の精液を飲んでる。

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>>8653616
Guys, seriously, Rosseta Stone sucks for learning non-latin laguages, like Mandarin or Japanese.
I think it's fairly cool for things like German or French, but for the others stick to the books/other programs.

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>>8653750
Why? Does it not teach you kanji and grammar or something?

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>>8653771
Regular minds won't memorize the kanji/chinese characters out of just listening to how they sound, and clicking the option you've heard before.
I guess it's fine if you are just trying to learn to hear the language, but it won't help you to write it right.

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>>8653771
It doesn't even teach you kana.

[Anonymous No.]

I am sitting by my computer with my recently acquired Genki course book right next to me.

It is literally scaring the shit out of me because I haven't tried to seriously learn Japanese in about 3 years. I am so terrified of failure that I don't even want to try.

But I know that if I don't try I'll never succeed and that means I'll never get a chance to read all the MILF VNs out there and I'll never get a chance to translate them for all my /jp/ bros who like that sort of thing. That and I felt the same way about working out at the gym. I may look completely dumb with my manboobs swaying on an elliptical but little by little I'm getting thinner.

Trying to accomplish stuff is really hard but if I succeed it'll be all worth it and even if I fail I know I'll feel better that I tried.

although right now it's past midnight, not going to try right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>why haven't you learned Japanese yet /jp/?
Because I like to spend my time on, you know, actually having fun.

[Anonymous No.]

I learned Hiragana and katana with the Japanese in Mangaland books and Anki, it's all about memorizing, however kanji its a different story...

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>>8652994
3rd largest economy. it's not 2010 anymore.

we China now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8654180
I thoroughly enjoy studying Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Chinafag here, I am learning Nipponian so I can play my doujin games. The grammar isn't that hard to learn; I'm finding that the most difficult thing about Japanese is memorising Kanji

inb4 "hurr you gooks invented moonrunes, derp derp"... it's difficult for me since one kanji can have a handful of readings in Japanese, and I don't know which one to use at the specific time. Sure, context is important, but whenever I see a particular kanji in a sentence, I don't know whether to use the on'yomi reading, or the five different kun'yomi readings. Don't get me started with reading Japanese personal and location names.

In Chinese, all moonrunes only have one reading, except for a very small handful. 日 is only "ri" in Chinese, but can be ni, nichi, hi, bi, jitsu, ka...

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>>8654250

Does the divide between Simplified Hanzi and Kanji cause difficulties, or are you from HK/Taiwan/the expat community?

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>>8654222
This

I'm literally doing it on my free time instead of playing vidya, and it is just as fun

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>>8654250
I wouldn't worry about the readings of individual kanji unless it's common to see that kanji by itself, in which case it will usually only be read one way.

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>>8654266
It's not that hard for a mainlandfag to read Traditional Chinese. We watch a lot of HK/Taiwan media here, so it's second nature that when we see 風, we recognise it as 风. Though, I've heard that Taiwanfags and HKfags find it difficult to read Simplified. I guess it's easier for us to read their literature, and more difficult the other way around.

Taking that into account, no, the shinjitai kanji used in Japan isn't really that much of a hassle for the Chinese weeaboo (does that even make sense?) community.

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>>8654250
>Japanese personal and location names
Now this is insanely confusing to me. I have no idea how you're supposed to be able to read one you're unfamiliar with

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>>8654297
I'm just trying to boost up my Japanese vocab, so far it's the only barrier left stopping me from being able to open a Japanese newspaper and being able to read it out loud. I can understand *most* of what it means, via context, but many of the "Japan-only" vocab (i.e. not 漢語) I might have limitations to what I understand.

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>>8654303
I don't know if you are outside of the common ones. It seems like they'll usually tell you how it's read when they first meet you.

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>>8654303
Furigana readings exist for a reason, unfortunately. As do awkward social faux pas apparently.

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>>8654326
I should add as a note that this is from my anime-watching experience.

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>>8654303
I just DON'T READ NAMES, at all, if I come across one that I don't know.

It's quite impolite to get someone's name wrong in Japan. I'm already socially awkward enough; I'd rather not get some guy cranky over my lack of linguistic ability.

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>>8654334
A lot of that in fiction is because the writers are bullshitting their fucking ass off with names and thus explaining to the audience how clever they are. Chuunibyou and all that particularly.

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>>8654303

Given names are impossible, but place names and surnames generally read according to common kun readings.

[Anonymous No.]

>Complains about things being bloated
>Using .NET and VB

[Anonymous No.]

Why haven't you learned Korean yet, /jp/?

You know deep down inside you want to. Stop lying to yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8654363
Well, I like that they have a sane, modern writing system, but unfortunately the people using it are all koreans...

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>>8654363
Learning Korean is /jp/ related.

Korea was once part of the Japanese Empire. Therefore, Koreans are Japanese. Hence, Korean is a language of the Empire of Japan. Japan makes doujins and "otaku culture", and therefore by extension, Korean is otaku culture.

[Anonymous No.]

How many kanji does /jp/ mine per day? I'm afraid that I'm doing too little. Is 20 new kanji, plus 50 revision kanji, an OK way of memorising them?

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>>8654733
Just use Anki. Actually, in my opinion you shouldn't learn kanji separately from the vocab, but that's really up to you if you think it'll help you learn better.

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>>8654733
I started off with 5 a day in the first few weeks and gradually did more, at the end I was at something like 10 on weekdays and 15-20 in weekend days.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but if I had gone faster than that I would probably have forgotten more than I actually learned. Actually, I still failed to remember a lot of the lesser used ones.
As long as you feel like you remember your shit it doesn't really matter how "fast" you go, though. Just make sure you don't go overboard in your enthusiasm and end up forgetting everything instead.

[Anonymous No.]

So did everybody do their anki reps today?

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>>8654733
30 on a shitty day, 40 on a regular one and 60 or more on a good day.

Also depends on how many reps I have to do the next day. I'll try to always stay below 300.

[Anonymous No.]

Any idea on how long it would take to become fully fluent?

I want to know if it is worth the time.

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>>8657935

Well I've got another deck to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8658281
The time it takes is dependent on you and your interest, but it is definitely worth it if you like any of the typical /jp/ things.

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>>8654733
I learn 20 a day via Kanji Damage, once I learn all of the joyo kanji I am going to learn compound words. I use anki btw. I already have some grammar down but I imagine that actually reading will help solidify my grammar skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>生 - き
>女子 - おなご
>灰 - puckery juice

this deck is trolling the fuck out of me

[b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc No.]

Also language tools = best use of smartphone

[Anonymous No.]

>>8652989
AHAHAHAHA YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA DO YOU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz2LItQAlMA

WORST FUCKING IDEA EVER

[Anonymous No.]

>>8658386

>mentions OWS in description.

Ignored.

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>>8658386
>Japan's troubled economy has caused it to slip from second largest to third largest in the world behind the USA and China.

Oh no, their not in the top 2 anymore. Japan must be a shithole.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't because I'm too busy learning to compose glorious ZUNmusic and programming.

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>>8658434
It's not like China's economy blowing up had anything to do with it either. Nope.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone here here use the Rikachan Firefox extension? I know it's not exactly for learning, but it helps me navigate Japanese sites a bit.

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>>8658458
I'm pretty sure we all do.

[Anonymous No.]

The reason you don't go to Japan to teach English anymore is because:

1) Low entry barrier. A BA isn't as rare as it used to be and there's no set in stone qualifications needed to teach English in Japan. You don't need a degree specifically for TOEFL or anything.
2) Lots of teachers and ex-teachers in Japan, plus all those kids who want to go to Japan
3) The Japanese companies know the above two things and they're going to pay you peanuts and work your ass to the bone. You're very replaceable.

The only "good" program is JET and that's full of competition and people who are far above the average /jp/er in appeal and skillset.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm in the process of learning it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8658458
I use rikaikun for chrome

[Anonymous No.]

It's taking alot of time reading throught both Genki 1 & 2 and doing both of the workbooks, is it worth doing the workbooks?

[Anonymous No.]

Learning kanji is by far the easiest part of Japanese
A few thousand is nothing to get worked up about
Language learning is a very long road

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone here practiced their Japanese with another /jp/er?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8653049
Can somebody post the legit version of this guide, Ive decided its finally time to start learning.

[Anonymous No.]

I studied Japanese for three years and I was in Japan for a while.

Reason I haven't *mastered* it is because it has no use in my daily life. I don't speak to anyone personally who knows Japanese.

If I knew it, well, I'd be browsing Japanese sites all day

[Anonymous No.]

I've started using share to acquire raw manga to translate. I plan to post translated chapters on MangaTraders, but should I also upload the raws somewhere more accessible? Where would be a good place to post them?