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8599387 No.8599387 [Reply] [Original]

Shiki can kill Servants. Discuss

>> No.8599395

Tohno can in fact kill servants.

When he killed Arcueid, 17 cuts landed in "an instant".
This is on the same level as 5th grail war Asassin's Tsubame Gaeshi. This is in fact canon. Non only that, but Arcueid was not able to notice she was being followed, nor feel any killing intent from Tohno until the blade already killed her. This is on the same level as asassin servant presence concealment.

In the official Tsukihime manga, Shiki was capable of slicing and killing lightning shot at him by Roa. A low estimate of the speed required for this would land at 96,000MPH, which is the atmospheric discharge of lightning at denser levels (closer to lower altitudes.)

Tying together presence concealment, Zelretch level ability (flash sheath), and A class speed, Shiki could in fact stand a chance against most servants. His trump card that would place him above anything summoned under asassin card would be that he essentially has an instant kill move if he ever gets near, making him a very deadly oponent.

To use concrete evidence of Shiki proving himself time and time again, we can look at who in fact he has killed.

Nrvnqsr Chaos the 10th apostle. In one attack Tohno managed to kill all 666 of his lives.

Michael Roa Valdamjong, said to be immortal by traveling between Akasha and back, "reincarnating". Tohno severed his connection to Akasha, erasing his existance.

It's good to take note here, that Servants are tied to the Akashic record in the throne of heroes, which is what allows them to be summoned in the first place. When shiki kills a servant, they can no longer be summoned. Sounds like just the kind of person Archer was looking for.

In the "Talk" side story for Tsukihime, Tohno manged to kill the forest of Einnashe, the seventh dead apostle. He also managed to kill Einnashe's reality marble.

>> No.8599404

Oh boy, here we go again

>> No.8599406

>>8599395
...However, none of this addresses the problem that he'd probably fry his brain just from thinking of killing one.

>> No.8599415

Shiki can't kill Touhou, the end.

>> No.8599435

Whatever, he can make the best and strongest pure girl fall in love. It's already awesome.
I'm quite sure Nanaya could even seduce VOID Shiki.
He's basically a plot fucker, he's able to do anything if needed.

>> No.8599439

>>8599435
He's too sexy for an MC.

>> No.8599446

While I'm at it, Azaka is SO MUCH better than Rin.
Nasu sure fucked up FSN.

>> No.8599451

Anyone know when I might get functional copies of the downloadable windows version of Realta Nua? I've been meaning to play through Unlimited Blade Works with voice acting, but the mirrormoon patch only works with their shitty translation.

>> No.8599454
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>>8599439
Indeed

>> No.8599458

>>8599454
WHY NO BULGE?

>> No.8599478
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8599478

>They are "nothing" to start with. It is meaningless to kill something not part of the real world.

When Gilgamesh is summoned, the world doesn't view Gilgamesh as a magical construct with the shape and form of Gilgamesh.
It recognizes Gilgamesh as Gilgamesh, but also finds an error. Gilgamesh died so and so many years before BC, Gilgamesh is already dead! And because of this error the world tries its best to correct this mistake, hence the massive mana upkeep of sustaining a Servant. The only thing keeping them from being corrected is the constant stream of energy.

Any particular reason as to why the Shikis' Eyes would fare any better than the mechanisms of the world, and recognize them as something other than something already dead? Is one to believe that they are smarter, and thus have more control in how they can interpret things with their eyes? Or something like that, really?

At best, I could see them severing the contract feeding them with energy, like Rule Breaker.
But I can't believe it would be anywhere near easy for them to "kill" that of which is no longer part of the real world, nor even alive for that matter. An error the world itself fails to view in a manner enabling them to casually dispose of them. Why should Shiki be able to?

>> No.8599481

>>8599458
Authentic Japanese penis.

>> No.8599489

>>8599458
because if this image were any lewder it would turn the entirety of /jp/ gay in one fell swoop

>> No.8599526

>>8599489
I find it interesting that with his looks, he could accomplish both seme and uke roles excellently. Perfect bishounen.

>> No.8599528

Servants can kill Shiki. Discuss

>> No.8599661

>>8599478
Shiki can kill the the constant stream of energy, discuss.
It'll be like Arcueid invincible mode, becoming not so invincible.

>> No.8599791

Shiki can kill gravity and go to Krypton to get himself a balling cloak. Discuss

>> No.8599807

>>8599791
Why wouldn't he just cut himself a wormhole?

>> No.8599814

>>8599526
He looks like a dominant uke. One that would pin you down and ride you.

>> No.8599874

>>8599415
but that's because touhoes aren't connected to akasha in any way, since they belong to a completely different universe altogether, so he wouldn't be able to see any lines on them.

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>>8599814
I know right? And he is a tsundere too.

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8602549

Nanaya thread got 404'd...

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8602576

Four vaginas can kill Shikis. Discuss

>> No.8602586

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lO_Egk4cmM

>> No.8602598

Words cannot describe how bad I wanna blow shiki.

>> No.8602601

>>8602576
But his gland is super-effective on vaginas.

>> No.8602604
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>>8602598
Which one?

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8602608

Shiki can kill Shki. Discuss.

>> No.8602616

>>8602586

lol Illya smiling "wow you really killed him" I lost it, they could've at least given her a different portrait and dialogue

>> No.8602617

>>8602604
All 6 of them.

>> No.8603568

>>8599446
>whats to fuck her brother

yeah, nah

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>> No.8604341

>>8604319
Average Shirou fan:
Explain further plzzz xD

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>>8604319

>> No.8604466

>>8603568
It makes her even more awesome.

>> No.8604471

>>8604319
If only due to how Shirou fans always seem to have to argue for why they do like him, as opposed to Shiki where people rarely ever question it in the first place.

>> No.8604496

>>8604471
shiki is pretty much normalfag and not that interesting unless he goes nanaya mode.

>> No.8604503
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>> No.8605007

>>8599387
all i see is jojo

>> No.8605047

Shiki is pretty much the best VN protagonist ever.

>> No.8605064

>>8604496
and shirou is about as dense/lukewarm as they come.

>> No.8605860

>>8605047
Shiki is pretty much a generic VN protagonist when not in Nanaya mode. Enen Nasu admitted that he was too influenced by normal dating sim protagonists when making Shiki.

>> No.8605879

>>8605064
Shirou has to have a reasonable amount of brains, considering the fact that Archer is pretty smart.

And Shiki is quite dense. When asked if he's a Christian he says "Chris-chan? What's with that question, all of a sudden? I don't know any girl who's got a name like that."

>> No.8608261

>>8605879
But it's ok for him to be dense bloke with a head full of air, because he doesn't impose unreasonable moral standards even not practical to do so.
Instead he changes from dense airhead to having huge urges to kill stuff, and have blackouts. Which is obviously fine.

No, but to be more serious, I somehow bet it's /a/'s fault and that out of context image with Shirou and the subbed text of people dying. Cause that's almost the only significant difference I can think of compared to Japan's communities who don't treats Shirou pretty much the same as Shiki.

>> No.8608299

>>8603568
>not wanting to fuck your brother
I swear, girls, you don't know how to have fun

>> No.8608354

>>8599387
>>8599387

sauce on this?

>> No.8609186

Shiki >Shiro. nothing to discuss

>> No.8609208

Why are you guys so autistic with type-moon stuff

>> No.8609217
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8609217

>>8609208

BecaEXCALIBUR

>> No.8609230

>>8609217
SEIBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.8609232

Again.

Technically speaking, Shiki CAN kill 5th HGW Gilgamesh and Saber because they both have real bodies.

Potentially speaking, Shiki's eyes have no limit to them unlike Ryougi's eyes in terms of targets. Shiki only has brain limits of blowing up before he can understand things, and in Nasuverse, weaknesses can be retconned by Nasu like a bitch. Ryougi could kill Servants in the Moon Cell Grail War after all. The potential is there.

Now stop asking the same damn question every damn time.

>> No.8609242

>>8605879
Not knowing what a Christian is =/= dense.
Being ignorant =/= dense.

>> No.8609253

>>8599478
>Any particular reason as to why the Shikis' Eyes would fare any better than the mechanisms of the world
Shiki's eyes are connected to the Root (Akasha). He is able to see the inherent weakness of everything since everything belongs to Akasha. He is currently only limited by his brain, but as Nasu has already told us, if he didn't have this limit on his brain, the MEoDP allows him to cut concepts up easily (the same way Ryougi does it).

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>>8609242
Man, knew dose blue eyes ment he's a honkey.

>> No.8609682

>>8609253
>Shiki's eyes are connected to the Root (Akasha).
Yes, but the point of all that was the little detail that Akasha is already trying to dispose of them.

>> No.8609686

>Shiki can kill Servants. Discuss

I honestly can't believe that after all this time we still have threads like this one.

>> No.8609692

>>8609682
Akasha is the Root, which is everything, which is where the Origin is located.
It's not the same as the World, which is either Gaia or Alaya.

Stop mixing shit up, boy.

>> No.8609699

>>8609232
F/E Servants aren't dead things not part of the real world, they are merely data constructs and not nearly the same.

>> No.8609711

>>8609692
I am not the guy that the first post, but is it really gaia trying to do it and not akasha? The throne is located in akasha at least.

>> No.8609719

>>8609699
Servants are also data constructs. They are also based on people who actually lived and are dead.
Don't confuse Moon Cell Servants (and normal Servants) with the data stuck inside the Throne of Heroes.


That's why even if people like Ryougi kills their Servant constructs, the Throne of Heroes data copies remain existent. They are two different things.

>> No.8609728

>>8609711
It doesn't matter if the Throne is in Akasha. Servants are not the same as their original copy in the Throne. The Throne is just a datacenter where the original profile exists.

Servants are the copies called forth from the Throne by a bunch of mages to do their bidding in the World.

>> No.8609744

the wiki mentions how the ones who can use true magic somehow reached the root or are at least very close to it. confirm/deny?

>> No.8609785

>>8609719
>Servants are also data constructs.
Not really. Not in the same sense at least.
Moon Cell Servants are still for all intents and purposes, data, 0s and 1s, in what happens to be a highly advanced system. There is no error, they are on the opposite successful models similar to things of the past.

Regular Servants/Ghost Liners are at their core made out of the ever changing properties of ether to recreate that of which once was. These "spirits" are what they were, and are recognized as such.

>> No.8609799

>>8609728
>It doesn't matter if the Throne is in Akasha. Servants are not the same as their original copy in the Throne.
It's either Akasha or the World, or both, that is trying to kill them. So what is it?

>> No.8610530

>>8609799
Obviously the World is trying to suppress their existence. The World isn't Akasha. Akasha is a thing beyond the World. The World is a mere part of Akasha. Akasha is not a mere part of the World. This is not rocket science.

That said, Akasha doesn't really give a fuck because it's everything. So it's the World that tends to crush Servants and Reality Marbles because of contradictions that shouldn't be.

Akasha isn't trying to crush anything. The World is the one doing the crushing.

>>8609785
Those 1s and 0s can't be physical the same way digital data is never physical. You need something for them to be based on, the same way Servants are made of.

>> No.8611848

>>8609728
What if the Throne is a chair?

>> No.8614568

>>8611848
Then Shiki could easily destroy that chair

>> No.8614595
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>>8610530

>Those 1s and 0s can't be physical the same way digital data is never physical

1 and 0 are just the operational status of a very real data bit giving instructions for a logic gate or what have you.

It's physical.

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8619047

Ryougi can't suck cock. Discuss.

>> No.8619069

>>8619047
Why can't she suck cock? Sounds like something you're making up on the fly.

>> No.8619076
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>>8619047

She can

>> No.8619080

>>8619069
Yes, I don't want this thread to die....................

>> No.8619086

Himegami from Toaruverse can kill Arc.

Discuss.

>> No.8619110

Ran is the nine-tailed fox from Naruto. Discuss.

>> No.8619274

>>8619110
Get the fuck out with your fanfiction

>> No.8620537

>>8619080
me too :D

>> No.8620554

>>8619274
That's actually not fanfiction. ZUN confirmed in an interview that Ran's character design was inspired by the kyuubi from Naruto.

>> No.8620584

>>8605860
> Enen Nasu admitted that he was too influenced by normal dating sim protagonists when making Shiki
Yeah, too bad he never said that.

>> No.8620592

>>8620554
Link to the interview or gtfo.

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>>8620537
Why? Who the fuck are you?

>> No.8622097

Shiki can suck Servant cock. Discuss.

>> No.8622118

>>8622097
Nothing to discuss, Shiki is a slut.

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