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8491366 No.8491366 [Reply] [Original]

Why are you wasting you time on /jp/ when you could be watching a master piece like Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPIJpz9zh-4

>> No.8491377

Also dat Ai wa Boomerang http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ake1btEkSF8

>> No.8491379

Hmm... But i'll be soon back. Again...

>> No.8491387

>>8491366

This was actually one of the first UY titles I ever saw, in fact I still have the VHS boxed away.

>> No.8491393

What a coincidence, I just started watching the TV series.

>> No.8491401

>>8491393
watch this movie right after your done, its a master piece from the golden age of anime.

>> No.8491412

>>8491401

Heck, all the films are good. I have all the films except Beautiful Dreamer on LD. One of these days I'll find the CPM release of Beautiful Dreamer on LD for my collection.

>> No.8491416

>>8491412
Really, i only actually watched Beautiful Dreamer, how are the others? Any of them better then Beautiful Dreamer?

>> No.8491424

/jp/ - Anime & Manga

>> No.8491426

>>8491424
Only 70s-80s here, it was the only time anime was good.

>> No.8491428

>>8491424

/a/ isn't old enough to discuss classic titles with any kind of intelligent attitude. A couple years ago I attempted to start a few threads about classic titles, and they were immediately ignored under a mountain of piss and shit.

>> No.8491430

>>8491426
Don't kid yourself--there were plenty of shit anime then too. You're just blinded by confirmation bias. In a few decades you'll be saying the same thing about the 2000s.

>> No.8491436

>>8491428
yeah /jp/ is the only place to talk about anything before 1990, that is not mecha.
>>8491430
If anything was shit, its was even better than the normal anime you get today.

>> No.8491438

>>8491426
70s? You are kidding me. You are just trying to avoid 90s because you are such an old fuck.

>> No.8491439

>>8491428
You weren't alive in the 70s, and you were a child in the 80s at best. Don't play the age card here. Plus I've seen plenty of /a/ people talk about old classics like Studio Ghibli's.

The fact remains that anime and manga discussion belongs on the anime and manga boards. Try >>>/anime/ if /a/ is too mainstream (not using that word mockingly; it really can be a problem).

>> No.8491442

>>8491430
Anime was definitely not good from about later part of 1995-1999 and later part of 2005 - 2010

>> No.8491444

>>8491436
>If anything was shit, its was even better than the normal anime you get today.
I've seen plenty of terrible 80s anime. You need to broaden your horizon a little. Go beyond the "classics", they're considered such for a reason. A sweeping statement like "anime was better in the 70s/80s" reeks of ignorance.

>> No.8491448

>>8491430

Of course there was plenty of shit. There's shit everywhere with a few diamonds poking out in ever decade, but personally the nostalgia factor for watching good titles first experienced in my late teen years is very strong... I can't say they're better than more recent titles, but I will say they will always have more of a sense of history and more fond memories associated with them.

>> No.8491451

>>8491439

I'm 35... Yes, I grew up mostly in the 80s, but I was most certainly alive in the 70s.

>> No.8491454

>>8491439
Yeah. But i feel you really. I know how it feels. The age...

But, anime's golden years were from 80s to 90s. 70s Were the great beginning.

>> No.8491455

>>8491439
Joe was a master piece from the 70s


>>8491436
Anything from late 1990s was retarded, 80s shows actually had a while selection of genres and masterpieces every fucking year. while late 1990s tired to keep it but failed because they started going for kids instead of fans, then in the 2000s everything became plotless and repeated over and over besides very little. 80s tired to do everything different no matter what and it worked.

>> No.8491464

>>8491430
There were tons of better anime in the 80s no matter how you look at it. I cant really remember anything from the 90s and 2000s that really got me going, "holy shit this is a masterpiece" and even today im watching 80s shows that i didn't before so there is no nostalgia factor. It just really because that artists and creators made what they wanted and didn't look for fans, unlike the all of the 2000s for the most part.

>> No.8491468

First anime I ever watched was Space Cobra. It was absolutely terrible. Your typical 90s mahou shoujo or 2000s "moeblob" anime was better than that pile of garbage. This is why I think "decade x was better than decade y" is stupid. It's like when people say Hollywood was better in the 30s or whatever. They pumped out terrible movies as cash cows then just as they do now. Hell, Casablanca was never intended as anything else.
People are stupid and blinded by nostalgia.

>> No.8491469

>>8491455
>then in the 2000s everything became plotless and repeated over and over besides very little

But everything old 4chan loved happened in the early 2000s. Their Love Hinas and their Azumanga and their Kouyama Mitsuki-chans and their Hare-Guus and their Abenobashis and their Macross Zero styles and their YKKs.

>> No.8491474

>>8491469
>Their Love Hinas and their Azumanga and their Kouyama Mitsuki-chans and their Hare-Guus and their Abenobashis and their Macross Zero styles and their YKKs.
You sure showed us, grandpa.

>> No.8491475

>>8491468
>Space Cobra
you mean the shitty movie? because the tv series is loved and really good.

>> No.8491479

Hey janitor, do your job.

>> No.8491477

>>8491474
If you don't like old 4chan then you can go be elderly somewhere else.

>> No.8491478

>>8491468
actually most of us are not blinded by nostalgia, you just have really shit taste.

>> No.8491486

>>8491477
I hated it. I like those shows but 4chan was stupid in 2004-2005 or whenever we're talking. Worshipping MS Paint penises and spamming Azumanga Daioh macros wasn't as fun as most people seem to think.
Go invent a time machine and head to 2004 4chan. You'll squeal and be all excited every time someone says "Wapanese" or types zany anime catchphrases in all caps, but after an hour you'd get bored and realize 4chan has always sucked.

Think we're getting sidetracked here.

>> No.8491492

>>8491468
How in the fuck can you hate space cobra? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3rfA1YdoOA

>> No.8491494

>>8491469

Well, 4chan still loves those things, and a few things from the 90s such as Eva. Big deal.

In any case, much like with gaming, I believe fans owe it to themselves to go back and discover all the great old titles from decades past. There's some amazing stuff out there.

>> No.8491495

>>8491492
Almost as boring as City Hunter.

>> No.8491500

>>8491492
Did he just carry spare arms around with him or what? I never got that.
How did he control them anyway? I mean his Psychogun was just...flat.

>> No.8491501

>>8491495
Get the fuck out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zm88MCYyCg

>> No.8491506

This makes me want to dig out my LDs and have an 80s marathon... Start with UY, then move on Orange Road, Venus Wars, Project A-KO, Riding Bean, Bubblegum Crisis, and then finish up with Robot Carnival.

Too bad I have to get up early tomorrow.

>> No.8491511

>>8491492
Oh fuck I remember this.
The animation was pretty good, but as a show it was pretty lackluster. Generic action-with-tits shonen anime. Kind of reminds me of those exploitation/sci-fi films like Barbarella.

Anyway, if it was released today it would just be another generic anime nobody cares about. It's nothing special and definitely not a classic.

>> No.8491512

>>8491495
you gonna tell me you hated Patlabor too, right?
go back to /a/.

>> No.8491518

>>8491511
yeah right, my ass.

>> No.8491526

>>8491444
I agree. I've been loyally watching animation and playing video games like some OCD autist since the 80's. Quality-wise all the decades are similar with their own hits and misses.

You do primarily love what you grew up with in the end though. Cel animation and 2D games with sprites will always move me the most; however, even though I know those techniques are not necessarily "better" than what's mainly used in modern times.

>> No.8491533

>>8491526
But Cel animation/hand drawn DOES look better.

>> No.8491528
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ＷＡＲＮＩＮＧ！　ＷＡＲＮＩＮＧ！

>> No.8491531

>>8491512
> Patlabor
I KNEW SOMEONE WOULD MENTION THIS.
I hated it. Maybe it's because I was a kid and I saw the English dub and I've never really been into mecha. Maybe I'll give it a try again, I just remember it being one of those cartoons that would give me a headache because there was nothing else on and I had to watch it.

>> No.8491537

>>8491531
anime in the 80s was not made for kids, so yeah you would hate it and think it was boring, like /a/.

>> No.8491540

>>8491533
Nah

>> No.8491547

>>8491533
* for certain categories of "better".

I prefer it too, but depending on the context digital animation can look better. Like I loved Ghost in the Shell's use of CGI (yes hello I mentioned GitS I am a plebeian faggot).
It's kind of a double-edged sword though. Sometimes hand-drawn tweens look unnatural and it takes you out of the show. Other times you see super-smooth tweens that look like they were done in Flash (Rozen Maiden is a good example) and it makes you wish they'd hired cheap Chinese laborers to do that shit instead.

>> No.8491550

>>8491540
the new shit just doesn't look good without the hand drawn shading and lines.

>> No.8491572

I bet the people saying that the 80s wasn't the golden age, hasn't even watched or sat through a 80s show because they have shit taste and cant watch something without lolis or a retarded mindless plotless harem. Thanks, your the people that destroyed anime.

>> No.8491580

>>8491572
Real sound argument there, Timmy.

>> No.8491611

>>8491537
> anime in the 80s was not made for kids
OHSHITOHSHITOHSHITOHSHITOHSHITOHSHIT

>> No.8491631

>>8491611
It wasn't and there is a reason why, all the kids who watched anime during the 70s got older and wanted more mature shows. thats why most of the 80s anime was more mature.

>> No.8491640 [DELETED] 

>>8491611

wtH's "fuk it I'm outta this thread" pic.jpg

>> No.8491659
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>> No.8491666

>>8491659
Right is objectively cuter.

>> No.8491668

>>8491666
They look like aliens.

>> No.8491670

>>8491666
More like soulless shells and shit art.

>> No.8491672

Honestly I don't fucking know.

time to find a torrent.

>> No.8491676

>>8491666
>objectively
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

>> No.8491679

>>8491668
They look like anime characters, silly.

>> No.8491684

>>8491672
http://www.bakabt.com/149045-urusei-yatsura-movies-lre.html
here, all the movies.

>> No.8491693

>>8491659

Where's Nene from Bubblegum Crisis, and Yuri from Dirty Pair? They were pretty delicious.

>> No.8491698

>>8491659
Why does the right all have those huge kawaii uguuu eyes and derp faces?

>> No.8491707

>>8491698
because all the good artists died.

>> No.8491724

I kind of want to dig out all the bad shows from the past couple decades and make a picture comparing them to the best modern ones, but fuck, I value my sanity too much for that. Shit old anime was much more shit than even the shittiest modern anime.
Anyways, anime as a whole has been steadily improving, and I couldn't be happier.

>> No.8491725

>>8491698

It's called looking kind of cool... get it right.

>> No.8491729

>>8491684
cool

when do I watch the tv series?

>> No.8491733

>>8491724
>anime as a whole has been steadily improving
How how you even say that with a straight face is beyond me.

>> No.8491752

Anime has become a characature of itself, anime now is more about having typical anime character tropes and other self-referencing shit in it rather than making anime out of imagined scenarios and writing it like that.

We're in the meta-age of anime, anime about anime, inspired by anime, build on anime foundations. Someone just needs to stop and think about shit for once and maybe read some books, live life, watch non-anime movies and get ideas from those instead.

>> No.8491753

>>8491733
Well, it's the truth after all. Maybe you'd think so as well if you actually watched them instead of making wild generalizations.

>> No.8491748

>>8491733
Taking off your nostalgia goggles vastly improves ones control over their facial muscles, I guess.

>> No.8491760

>>8491748
Sorry but i have no "nostalgia goggles", i fucking watched all these 80s shows only like 3 years ago, you just have shit taste. I cant even wacth any of the new stuff because of how much if a waste of time it is.

>> No.8491773

>>8491760
Somehow I don't think the opinion of someone who's unable to even type properly matters all that much.

>> No.8491771

>>8491752
yeah, it makes sense too because all the old men that made the golden age of anime actually had skills as writers and went to fucking college for art and read books, instead of basing everything off of fucking anime.

>> No.8491785

>>8491760
Not the guy you're replying to, but is it possible you like the shows more simply because they're from the 80s? I mean, if there was an 80s moeblob show, it would be "ahead of its time" and plenty of people would love it. I'm sure such a show would be a cult classic, but it would be overlooked if released in the 2000s.
Not that liking old things for the sake of being old is bad, of course. I like old games because only having a few kilobytes of memory and a limited color palette meant games had to be overall better to be worth playing (though there was a lot of shit then too). I guess the same applies to 80s animation/storytelling techniques.

>> No.8491789

>>8491773
Nobody typed properly in the golden age!

>> No.8491792

>>8491752
Even if that were a valid criticism(which I don't believe it is), you're comparing shows of an ever-growing "good old days" with the ephemeral "now".
Take a set period of time recently, compare it with a set period of time in the past. You'll be amazed at how small a part of overall anime production the "good" shows constituted back in the day, just as they do now.

>> No.8491797

>>8491773
yeah nice come back shithead. have fun with your shit shows that have no feeling or originality.

>>8491785
Nope, the shows just have more feeling, more plot,character development, better art,etc. instead of the same shit over and over again with characters that seem flat as fuck.

>> No.8491812

>>8491792
most shows today are terrible, while shows in the 80s were just all around better, its not that hard to understand and if you would go and watch a ton of 80s anime you would fucking see for yourself. There is no fucking nostalgia, anime just was a lot better in the 80s and thats that.

>> No.8491822

>>8491797
I think that's unfair. There are plenty of modern shows like that.
Name some 80s shows you like and I'll type up some 90s/2000s/2010s recommendations. Then you can tell me which you've watched and what you thought of them. Just keep an open mind.

>> No.8491832

>>8491792
Thing is back then you had kids shows (mostly tv series) and otaku anime (mostly ovas).

The anime made for otaku were better than they are today. Today's otaku anime are complete trash. If there's anything that's interesting today it sells nothing and there's even less incentive to make it next time.

>> No.8491839

>>8491812
Are you playing devil's advocate or something here?

>> No.8491833

>>8491812
It's hard to counter such a well thought out argument.

>> No.8491835

If you like shows with plot and characters, you will like the 80s. If you like mindless fan pandering and highschool shit, then you will like everything from the 2000s. If you like mindless action with very little plot, you will like the 90s.

>> No.8491847

>>8491812
There weren't any less bad shows in the past that there are now. A lot less of them ever got translated, though, and most are forgotten by now - just as most modern shows will be forgotten a couple decades from now.
I don't know why I'm even typing this, as you're obviously an autistic kid who wandered out from /a/ in desperate need of validation for his posturing and not someone interested in any discussion, but still.

>> No.8491855

Never knew /jp/ had such shit taste, but i guess /a/ really did take it over.

>> No.8491858

>>8491855
Are you incapable of posting anything other than ad hominems?

>> No.8491869

>>8491847
No, even the lesser know shows are being translated today from the 70s and 80s, and they are better then the shit that comes out today, a lot better.

>> No.8491874

Hey guys so like, I've never watched old anime. Give me a list of titles or something, I want to see the fuss.

>> No.8491875
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8491875

what the fuck happened, /jp/?

>> No.8491879

>>8491869
That's nice and all.
Only it's not true, but that's a small point, you can easily ignore it, I'm sure.

>> No.8491883

>>8491874
Go watch sdf macross,zeta gundam then ask for more.

>> No.8491888

>>8491883

Okay.

>> No.8491889

>>8491879
yeah, have fun having shit taste and not watching actually decent media.

>> No.8491896

>>8491889
You're like a brick wall or some kind of bot.

>> No.8491895

This thread is an eyesore.

>> No.8491906

>>8491895
It just shows how shit /jp/ really has turned into. fuck this place.

>> No.8491921

>>8491888
Those are actually horrible recommendations to start with. Start off with some short stuff. SDF macross can't realy be appreciated for beginners to mecha and watching zeta gundam before the original is absolutely retarded.

Try out Wings of Honneamise, Dirty Pair, You're Under Arrest, patlabor

If you want longer series try Maison Ikkoku, Touch, Galaxy Express...

>> No.8491923

>>8491906
Well, see you tomorrow!

>> No.8491944

>>8491921
I don't understand people who think Maison Ikkoku is good.
Like, I don't even think they're human beings.

>> No.8491941

>>8491921
sdf macross is fine for beginners , if you have good taste that is. but yeah he should watch Maison Ikkoku also.

>> No.8491953

>>8491944
get the fuck out, you have the biggest shit taste i have ever seen.

>> No.8491968

>>8491944
people who like good characters, romance,world building,and good art like Maison Ikkoku.

>> No.8491970

>>8491953
It's funny you say that because your "u have shit taste" posts would fit right in on /a/.

>> No.8491977

>>8491921

Eh, I'll play it by ear with Macross. If I don't like it after a few episodes, I'll save it for later on.

Thanks for the other titles, though. I'll hang on to them.

>> No.8491978

>>8491972
I guess you like shitty harems then.

>> No.8491972

>>8491953
Sorry, I don't dig soap operas.

>> No.8491987

>>8491978
You sure told me.

>> No.8491993

>>8491987
harems are the number one thing that ruined anime altogether. At first it was fine because tenchi was pretty decent, but then it just destroyed anime.

>> No.8491997

>>8491875
That one on the right is totally disgusting an abomintation. There is so much more detail and passion in the left one. Fuck you. Fuck you all to hell. How dare you compare!?? With that.

>> No.8492003

>>8491993
>tenchi
>pretty decent
What the actual fuck.
Fuck, I'm out of here, you people scare me.
And here I thought I was out of touch with reality.

>> No.8492004

>>8492003
Don't worry anon, it's just one very vocal guy.

>> No.8492007

>>8492003
it was decent because of world building and characters, thats it. plus he actually gets a harem, unlike every other harem after it.

>> No.8492020

>>8491993
Do you seriously prefer DRAMA over cute girls and fanservice? People like you are why old anime is so shitty. Thankfully you're in the minority now.

>> No.8492016

I'm pretty sure the 80's guy in this thread is trolling but given that there are actually some people retarded enough to think that way I worry that he might be serious.

>> No.8492022

>>8492020
And you're the reason current anime is trash. I don't understand how you can watch the same garbage every season and be happy.

Well, retards can be happy too I guess.

>> No.8492023

>>8492020
go fuck yourself.

>>8492016
Oh im serious, because it true.

>> No.8492030

>>8492020
Also i actually liked having mature women in my anime, not 15 year olds.

>> No.8492035

>>8492030
Cool. I personally prefer 10 year olds in my anime.

>> No.8492039

>>8492030
Oh wait, you're the "mature women" guy? That explains a lot.

>> No.8492044

>>8492039
MILF lover = 80s anime guy = good old days-kun

>> No.8492050

>>8492022
I swear i really don't know how they can even sit through 10 mins of it, I try but then im like, fuck this shit and do something else. You have to be a total mindless human to enjoy that shit.

>>8492035
your the reason everything went to shit, because you attention faggot loli fans took over the anime seance.

>> No.8492058

>>8492030
>i actually liked having mature women in my anime, not 15 year olds.
Never happened.

>> No.8492063

>>8492050
Unfortunately there are few shows with a loli focus. A shame, I know.

>> No.8492067

>>8492058
see >>8491659

>> No.8492071

>>8492058
yeah, go watch some fucking anime other then you high school harems. Most characters from the 80s were in their 20s to 30s and even older characters got main parts. now if it older then 18 it not important.

>> No.8492076

>>8492050
How are you a fan of older anime when you type like you just discovered the internet?

>> No.8492082

>>8492076
I type with one hand and im fast, bad habit.

>> No.8492088

>>8492050
Well everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but it's not like anime has objectively become shitty. It just depends on what you like.

I'm sorry that today's anime isn't interesting to you, but there's still plenty of western media that you'd probably enjoy.

>> No.8492091

>>8492067
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_%28fallacy%29

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>>8492067
See what? a bunch of teenage girls on the left side? Pic related, it's a 15 year old girl.

>> No.8492111

>>8492091
>anime never had mature girls
>what about these?
>no you cherry picked those
Nice try

>>8492101
A few of the girls on the left are 15 years old. The difference is they look like they're 15 instead of 10

>> No.8492113

>>8492088
Sorry, hollywood is even more shitty.

>>8492101
yeah, she was and acted like a real 15 year old slut, which was realistic. the mc picked misa, a much wiser and realistic choice.

>> No.8492118

>>8492030
I agree, though you're dense if you think having teenage main characters is a recent development.
I liked when anime women had that...pointy look to them. You know the one.

>> No.8492126

>>8492111
I'd like to see the 10 year olds you know.

>> No.8492127

Because I'm still watching the show

>> No.8492131

>>8492118
I'm not saying there were no 15 year olds, im saying mature characters COULD OF been main characters and were, even the 15 year olds felt realistic and were human. unlike the fake stereotype shit you see today.

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>>8492131
Will someone pinch this motherfucker and wake him up?

>> No.8492153

>>8492131
>COULD OF
You're doing this on purpose, aren't you.

>> No.8492154

>>8492131
You act as if "realistic" is a good thing. Also, why are you posting about this shit on /jp/ of all places?

>> No.8492155

>>8492131
> COULD OF
Eww.

>> No.8492160

>>8492131
Stereotypes in cartoons?!
I don't habeeb it!

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