/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Hanako is dead.
The creator of the VN got sued by Disney for 6,000,000 yen.
http://hanakovn.web.fc2.com/

[Anonymous No.]

I don't even know what that is.

[Anonymous No.]

I saw this coming

[Anonymous No.]

I guess it was too Disney.

[Anonymous No.]

is this for real?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480140

[Anonymous No.]

Don't know what this is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480140
>>8480149
>>8480151
Browse /jp/ more

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480156
>lol newfags don't know about my hanakos xD

[Anonymous No.]

Oh that VN messed with disney's iconic character
all I can say the creator had a lot of guts to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480138
There's no way Disney is sueing a free game like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480157
It takes more guts to write rape of a child and how many VNs have done that?

[Anonymous No.]

Disney should just stop bitching around, the guy did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480165
OP is full of shit.
The guy propably got a email from Disney asking him to remove the character, that's all.

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't that like $10? Why would that stop them?

[Anonymous No.]

It's the Japanese's fault for using a copyright character.

[Anonymous No.]

The guy was sued just for that?
Their copyright law sure is strict beyond belief

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480172
Copyright is a terrible imaginary restriction.

But I doubt Disney bothered to go that far, OP is probably trying to spread fear.

[Anonymous No.]

You know how it goes

You fuck with the da mouse
Disney takes ya house

[Anonymous No.]

Hanako?

What the shit is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480138
How the hell did you know Amorico was sued?
That site only said they closed the project.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480192
a good higurashi

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480192

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480196
On that guy's twitter

>>Disney was saying my game is defaming their character (Mickey Mouse).
>>I gave them my phone number. I'm hoping to make an amicable settlement with them.
>>And let me clear it out with them that I don't hate disney.

https://twitter.com/#!/kotoha_amorico/status/162331842924646401

[Anonymous No.]

>Used copyrighted Disney character in commercial eroge
>Didn't get sued out of existence
Welp how do copyright works

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480192
That's already been covered. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>No matter what I tell them, Disney keeps criticizing me.
>>They may file a lawsuit.
>>They want me to stop the game project and wants compensation of 6 million yen.
>>Did I do something that bad?
>>I'm sorry if anything happens to this project..

https://twitter.com/#!/kotoha_amorico/status/162354234564677632

[Anonymous No.]

Funny part is that Disney couldn't do shit in the US. Parody and all that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480227
I think I just shitted bricks, lol.

[Anonymous No.]

Damn those capitalists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480227
That's really messed up.
It's really disturbing reading these tweets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480231
Pretty sure they could have done something with all their influence and money. The funny thing about the parody laws is where the judges draw the line. If some judge thinks the parody serves no real purpose, the laws don't apply.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480157
So that's where this was from.

You guys have to know this is Disney, they're infamous for catching anyone using their work for any kind of purpose without their consent. When Waltz was still alive, he had his work stolen from him by some other guy - I don't remember his name; thus, why Disney Studio is so anal about copyrights.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480244
Best part is that Disney ripped most of their stories straight from the Brothers Grimm and similar sources.

[Anonymous No.]

Daammit. I was looking forward to the rest of the chapters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480227
Now that's scary

[Anonymous No.]

Is suing him really necessary? How heartless can you be?

[Anonymous No.]

Disney=Jews

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480261

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480261
Why do we never blame mormons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480244
Didn't Disney sue some school district for publishing a photo of a Cake with Mickey on it in their newspaper, some years back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480227
Are all nips this moe?

[Anonymous No.]

Damn this type of crap is not helping other countries like Americans..

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480227

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480277
Because Mormons support having loli harems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480290
That's not bad, the more presence America has the worse things get. No-one should have that much power.

[Anonymous No.]

He shouldn't have posted his game on non-japanese websites.
He'll probably tell everyone that VNs should stay in Japanese territory.

[Anonymous No.]

Doesn't Japan have parody laws? Maybe that's why their humor is lacking.

[Anonymous No.]

Typical /jp/ bitch whining. Copyrights aren't rocket science.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480303

Exactly.

>>8480304

There's a cultural difference between Japanese and Western humor, which is why books like the Bakemonogatari series aren't as popular with Westerners.

[Anonymous No.]

Talk about a Disney VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480312

Did you read this>>8480227 ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480313
>There's a cultural difference between Japanese and Western humor which is why books like the Bakemonogatari series aren't as popular with Westerners.

No, not really. Cheap grade humor seen in 2bit series like Bakemonoshit does not equal the quality of all Japanese humor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZIpmp_nVo

Gets me every god damn time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480313
There's humor in Bakemonogatari?

[Anonymous No.]

You people really think that it would be any different in the States? Disney has a long history of shit like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>僕はそんなにも悪いことをしたのだろうか。もし何かあったらごめんな
さい
Japanese reading comprehension question since I'm confused, is he saying (as the translation above states) that he's sorry if something happens to the project, or is he saying that he's sorry if he did something that bad?

[naitoknaito No.]

Another who bites the dust.
I'm the only who has a feeling of this comfortable world we've been living in crumbling slowly but without pause, it's overwhelming at times like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480328
Seriously.

http://danbooru.donmai.us/post?tags=mickey_mouse+censored&commit=Search

That's why we have this popular gag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480322

>cheap grade humor

But that's what japs like. Also, have you ever watched Japanese comedy outside of anime? They're 100% untranslatable due to linguistic and cultural differences.


>>8480324

I said the book, which does a better job at doing perverted dialogues. Go back to /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480333
>>もし何かあったらごめんなさい
Means I'm sorry if anything happens.

I believe he refers to his game at this case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480333
can't be the latter because 何かあったら is quite literally "if something happens", it would be a completely different form for "if I did something that bad". It's probably just typical japanese responsability for troubling the fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480224
what is this from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480341
>>8480346
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480227
>They want me to stop the game project and wants compensation of 6 million yen.

Ah, why do I feel nothing but hate for Disney?

If only people embraced the Path of ZUN...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480324

The anime is largely fanservice for fans of the novels.

- watching any anime adaptation of manga/LN/game
- not having experienced the source material first

That's some narutard-level behavior there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480355

This. With the internet, authors and other content creators have so much power to do their own distro without having to suck media conglomerate cock.

[Anonymous No.]

If any of you guys wrote a character and it was used like this, /jp/ would be arguing the exact opposite.

Though I think this should be covered under fair use, which allows parody works. Though I guess this guy did use a copyrighted image directly, which may be the problem.

I doubt he got sued though. Probably just a C&D. Happens all the time. A few years ago I was helping out a guy called Joe Valentine or something on the music for a project called Chrono Trigger Resurrection, which was basically a 3D fan remake of Chrono Trigger. Of course Square weren't too happy and it had to be pulled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480359
I just pulled that image on a whim. But I have read some of the LN, and my question still stands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480368
> Probably just a C&D.
In this case, why the point of C&D if the author can simply replace the "black mouse" with some other foe? No mouse, no infringement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480369

>But I have read some of the LN, and my question still stands.

Which one? And what part of the LN do you find distasteful? Do tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480384
I've seen that happen with similar projects, actually. I don't know. I haven't seen a C&D in years. I'll need to re-read the DMCA. Common sense suggests they can only say, "Stop using our intellectual property," rather than, "Abandon your whole project."

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480368
> Probably just a C&D.
In this case, what's the point of C&D if the author can simply replace the "black mouse" with some other foe? No mouse, no infringement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480359
Why are you using -'s instead of >'s?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480393
He was using them as bullet points because he wasn't quoting anybody.

Why he didn't use the plaintext standard * or even • or ‣ is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480393
>>8480401

Welcome to post-/jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480227
who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480386
Who said distasteful? The VN was somewhat enjoyable, but I don't think humor was its strongest point. Guess it was too subtle or whatever. Never mind.

[Anonymous No.]

• 2012
• Still using yellowtext

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480406
*LN

[Anonymous No.]

the compensation shit is probably just to scare him into giving up
still, mascots are serious fucking business

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480408
He provided a uniform resource locator, stop being fussy on purpose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480161
>>8480165
>>8480178
>>8480182

>Disney
>sue
>etc

Disney issues Cease and Desist orders immediately whenever someone uses on of their copyrighted properties. They are protective, but they usually don't sue unless they resist cease and desist unless Disney feels like it had damages in the range of millions of dollars. 6,000,000 yen is only about $75,000. This sum is hardly worth Disney and their team of lawyers going into international copyright court for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480406

>too subtle
>[Nishio Ishin's novel]

You're either bullshitting that you've read any of the Bakemonogatari books, or you can't read Japanese very well.

>Never mind.

Didn't mean to call you out or anything. I just find it fascinating and slightly irritating that Bakemonogatari haters on both /jap/ say shit like NISHIO IS THE CANCER OF ANIME without having any real arguments.

I don't even like all of his books. Some of them are just plain boring, like the first half of Nekomonogatari Black and the second volume of Nisemonogatari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480231
>Funny part is that Disney couldn't do shit in the US. Parody and all that.

Actually they can and do. Disney is one of the most protective copyright holders in the USA, and if it is not clearly a parody (say SNL etc) they will likely contest it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480339
>Also, have you ever watched Japanese comedy outside of anime?

The god damn YouTube video I linked to was a 3D Japanese comedy, you tool.

>They're 100% untranslatable due to linguistic and cultural differences.

No, I think a Japanese girl with a fanatical worship of Black "Culture" is pret-ty relatable, especially for most of us who had "weeaboo" inclinations at one point or another.

>>8480355
Blame the Jews who took over Disney.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480431

This. I don't know why Disney would sue over such a small thing like this, nevermind sue somebody overseas.

I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry, like that amusement park in China that's "not" Disneyland.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480224
Where the hell is that from

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480438
>NISHIO IS THE CANCER OF ANIME

It's true. SHAFT is the only thing that makes it interesting. Without SHAFTimation, any Nishio work would be the worst most boring piece of shit ever, like Ghost in the Shell except with more shallow philosophy and ghost crabs instead of cool shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480500
I think it's forest. I never played it but I recognize the textbox from inganock/sharnoth

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480224
Because it probably doesn't say Pooh in Japanese, and with the limitations of the Japanese sylabary, it is probably easier to get away with parody, especially since the visual image is obviously inspired but not the same as Winnie. Aslo a Pooh is what Winnie is, the name of the Pooh is Winnie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480509
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480487

I'm talking about more traditional comedy, like that show they run with the hosts dressed in kimono, and it's been running for like half a century.

I forgot the name, it runs on exported NHK every week.

>No, I think a Japanese girl with a fanatical worship of Black "Culture" is pret-ty relatable

That would fall under this category:

>Wm. Penn wrote in the Daily Yomiuri, the Japanese television industry “have tossed a rubbish barrel of programming at us and presided over a gross lowering of standards that has caused a whole new generation of viewers to be raised on a diet of the most vapid junk TV. Like junk food, it numbs the taste buds and after a while, one can no longer appreciate delicate flavors and more hearty, healthy fare.”

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480502
>philosophy
Uh what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480508

More like Disney doesn't own Winnie the Pooh

They just created an animated adaption

Like Cinderella.

As long as they aren't using Disney's Art, disney can't say jack

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480502

>most boring piece of shit ever, like Ghost in the Shell

What the christ am I reading?

>except with more shallow philosophy

*Harry Potter has a shallow philosophy, and is therefore shit
*Star Trek DS9 has too many filler episodes with elementary storytelling and recycled morals, and is therefore cancer
*Princess Tutu is marketed to kids, and is therefore too immature for my tastes

You see where I'm getting at?

- I like to pick apart popular anime series for frivolous reasons
- I am a sloppy critic
- I don't know what I'm doing on a board where VNs, the platform of the lowest tier in art, are the main purpose of its existence

Pick all three before you suck my cock, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480502

6.5/10

Good effort. Keep it up and you might be able to derail entire threads with less effort in the future, like this guy>>8480304

[Anonymous No.]

So 6 million yen for this...
http://youtu.be/E0ivgbngrjc

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480537
>Disney doesn't own Winnie the Pooh

I'm pretty sure they actually bought the rights to it at some point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480502 worst most boring piece of shit ever, like Ghost in the Shell except with more shallow philosophy
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480557

Dirty japs stealing American creativity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480542
> *Harry Potter has a shallow philosophy, and is therefore shit
On a related note, wasn't there some guy who write a series of books like "Harry Potter and Philosophy"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480537
You can't buy the rights of something like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480573

There's a whole series on "X and Philosophy."

World of Warcraft and Philosophy
Star Wars and Philosophy
Twilight and Philosophy

[Tokiko No.]

>>8480587
How disgusting. Philosophy should be as difficult to read and complex as possible to keep them away from the field. The last time I went to a bookstore, I went to the metaphysics section in expectation of interesting theory, but I just found wicca magic crystal bullshit. Fucking new agers. Fucking normals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480608

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480608

Modern philosophy is an incestuous industry of extraneous bullshit that gets regurgitated over and over again.

Deal with it.

[Tokiko No.]

>>8480619
Maybe quantum science should be the field for me then, huh? I'm really good with math and science and I think black holes and all shit are interesting (though, admittedly, I know next to nothing about higher-level sciences).

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480164
>It takes more guts to write rape of a child
Nope. It doesn't.
Nobody really important gives a shit about raping children.
Corporate idols however are big money and fucking with them is always big deal, even in VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480617

Who the fuck still posts bawson in 2012

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480631

>>8480617

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480224
can anyone please tell me what eroge this is and why it's referencing winnie the pooh?

[Anonymous No.]

OY VEY IT'S LIKE ANOTHER SIX MILLION OF US ARE BEING GASSED ALL OVER AGAIN.

Copyright is the cancer killing creativity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481519
Whata fuck man

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481519
Theft is being called creativity these days?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481519
Amusing since copyright was supposed to promote creativity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481475
Forest. Poor Winnie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481554
No it was supposed to protect the rights of authors.

You don't know shit. I bet you weren't even alive when the Berne Convention was signed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481551
Despite what your deluded police departments tell you, people don't own ideas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481572
You're just ``mad jelly'' of my INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481569
>>8481554

Actually, it was to protect the rights of the capital holding class who owned the printing machines. Governments granted licenses to allows presses to run, in return, the presses did not distribute seditious materials. Aristocrats made money, authors got a small cut, and the state was secure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480182
>>8480244
>>8480284
Copyright lobbyists, especially those that serve the interests of Hollywood, are one of the worst things to happen to the world.

Originally, copyright was limited to a maximum of 28 years. If you created something, you had 28 years to get all you could out of it, because after that it became public domain

Movies like On The Waterfront and Seven Samurai, and even the first two books of The Lord of the Rings would be in the public domain now, free for anyone to use and enjoy and remix and learn from if lobbyists from companies like Disney hadn’t argued for copyright laws to be changed in 1976 to better serve their money hungry interests.

See the link below.

http://www.law.duke.edu/cspd/publicdomainday/2012/pre-1976

Duke University compiled a list of all of the films that could have entered the public domain this year were it not for these Jew-serving lobbyists from Hollywood.

If we were still under the copyright laws that existed until 1978 . . . Up to 85% of all copyrighted works from 1983 could have been able to enter the public domain on January 1, 2012.

But, nope, the Copyright Jews want us to wait until fucking 2051 for anything to enter the PUBLIC DOMAIN at all.

Lobbyists and their Jew masters are truly a blight upon the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480542
He's right.

Name one interesting thing about Bakemonogatari that isn't the animation/editing style.

Also Ghost in the Shell is boring

[Anonymous No.]

I've always found it funny how copyright laws do the opposite of what they were made for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481710
Worst part is, all a jew has to do is cry "HOLOCAUST!", and instantly everyone and anyone bends over backwards to meet his or her needs, in order to not be branded "anti-semitic".

Just look at the city of New York.

What a sad, sad world we live in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481769
Fuck off faggot. They made lampshades out of human skin. Show some respect to the Chosen People who suffered.

[Anonymous No.]

>Disney
>Suing the japs over copyright infringement.
Hilarious.

And isn't Mickey supposed to be public domain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481786
> isn't Mickey supposed to be public domain?
Hahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481715
Lolis
Kanahana
Fire sisters

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480157
I've always wondered by Japanese always censored Mickey or drew a mouse hinting at Mickey, but never actually drawing Mickey.

Now I know why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481769
I dont get normals. Some nigger crys about slavery, I say, when were you enslaved? Some jew cries about holocaust, I ask them when they were in an internment camp. The answer is always the same, "well I wasnt BUT my Ancestors were" Then I tell them to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481805
>>8481776
>>8481769
safefag

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck.

>disney sues some guy for using one of their characters
>turns around and uses joy division's album art without their permission hoping to make money from it

WHAT A BUNCH OF CUNTS.

[Anonymous No.]

http://blog.livedoor.jp/janews/archives/6622461.html
this should be blamed

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481710
28 years is an arbitrary limit, just like any other limit you propose.

There really isn't anything evil about wanting to make money out of your own creations. The only thing you're arguing is that the time limit should be shorter for no actual reason at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481710
>Doesn't want to pay $5 for a book or movie
>accuses other people of being jews

[Anonymous No.]

>>8480227
>最近ミッキーに関して質問を頂くのですが、ディズニーはパロディーに
そもそも優しい会社だと思うのです。海外では普通にファンアートが見かけ
られますし、著作権が切れた日本では尚更問題ないと思ってます。

>I've been getting some questions about Mickey recently, but I have little doubt that Disney is quite kind regarding its property. You can see fanart on Western sites, and I would imagine there would be even less of a problem in Japan where the copyrights are cut off.

www

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481814
It works both ways.

Disney had to pull the T-shirt due to copyright infringement, probably also settled to avoid going to court.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481710
If you don't care about the sorry state of the public domain today, then you need to get the fuck out of /jp/.

Public domain isn't just about getting to enjoy music or films for free, but being able to enjoy shit like science for free.

For instance, many copyrighted scientific journal articles about shit like the synthesis of DNA- and RNA-like molecules, the effect of placebos, the experimental confirmation of the existence of the antiproton, fibre optics, or the synthesis of mendelevium remain behind paywalls

See this link for an example:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/122/3176/907.full.pdf

Seriously, it's a downright shame we have let Hollywood have such cancerous control over our government.

[Anonymous No.]

Disney will never forgive Japan for making an entire industry based off of its style.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481847

Forgot to add that if those copyright laws from 1978 were never changed, all those science articles would today be free and available to the public.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481817
also
http://blog.livedoor.jp/janews/archives/6645769.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481847
You’re post-90′s generation, right? …I’ve rarely seen such mental retardation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481823
>>8481836
Brainwashed, uneducated Jew cock-suckers detected.

Copyright laws does more harm than good, especially to our culture.

See those 2 links for further info:

http://chronicle.com/article/Out-of-Fear-Institutions-Lock/127701/

http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/a_trove_of_historic_jazz_recordings_has_found_a_home_in_h
arlem_but_you_cant

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481776
Lies.

Only nigger warlords do such barbaric things.

You are merely conditioned to be frightened of the things an entire country can accomplish with proper guidance.

Try harder next time, JIDF.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481847
>Subscribe/Join AAS to view this full article!

What point are you trying to make, exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13847024

著作権は永遠に不滅です！

[Anonymous No.]

So wait, let me get this.

Some japs make a free VN using parody material and got sued for copyright infringement?
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481901
The demo is free. But he was planning to sell the full game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481901
Going by his twitter post the people in charge of handling this are offensive gits. Not surprising. Besides Disney in general is terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

Why doesn't this guy just cut off communication and tell disney to come to his house and get him if they give so many shits?

Japs aren't any good at STICKIN IT TO DA MAN when they need to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481906
>>8481916

I see, so i take Mickey was one of major character(stolen) in this VN and not just some homage?

But still. America, I'm disappoint..

[Anonymous No.]

This would be a pretty great way to commit suicide.

Do something like this to get sued by Disney and then commit suicide because you can't possibly pay. Would be all over the news and Disney would probably look like shit(assuming what you were doing was as small-time as this).

[Anonymous No.]

Why is the blog post in english if the game isn't in english

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481943
It wouldn't be reported in that case. Who do you think owns the news media?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8481836
>Implying anyone can be more Jew than an industry that flagrantly practices these dishonest business practices

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting