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Anonymous Sat Jan 14 09:52:59 2012 No.8410676 [Reply] [Original]

So I threw together a template of sorts for a /jp/ Essential Touhoucore list. This is where you guys step in. Should we put albums on it or just circles? And which albums/circles should be added. Already going to add stuff like Xi-On, Demetori, Mohican Sandbag, Buta-Otome.

Also, does anyone have a vectorized Toyosatomimi picture or is anyone willing to make one? I still have the .psd file so I can easily make changes to pretty much anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 09:54:00 2012 No.8410689 Why make such a spoonfeeding image?

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 09:56:00 2012 No.8410699
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This is a cute idea and one of the few things I like /mu/ for.
Though I hate adding -core to everything and I can see this just causing a lot of bitching. Maybe get a ton of ideas for albums then set up a poll on poll.fm or something.

And speaking of vectors, oreno.imouto.org is down.
Sad times...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 09:57:59 2012 No.8410706 >>8410689 >>8410689

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 09:58:29 2012 No.8410709 >>8410689 Are you the babby spamming prick? >>8410676 That particular image or a different one? I could probably be convinced to do one if it's a simple image. Also you might want to discuss in here? >>>/jp/8410156

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:00:00 2012 No.8410722 Why not let people find stuff they like by themself, to prevent that we take false pride in the music we listen to?

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:00:00 2012 No.8410724

>>8410709
I think this image looks pretty good, so yeah I guess we could go with a vectorized version of it. Want me to give the original one?

Oh, and I made this thread dedicated for this list since the other thread is specifically about Touhou music with vocals and I don't want to just invade the thread.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:01:00 2012 No.8410726

>>8410689
>>8410706
Not him but I care more about the process that goes into the image than the image itself. Plus I'm sure I'll discover something new from it, and I've been here for ages. It's not like I was going to make a, "HALP WOT TOUHOU MUSICS SHOUDL I LISTEN TOO???" thread otherwise.

I don't see why you people are so anti-helpful anyway. I get being elitist and encouraging people to lurk more and whatnot, but you should also be tolerant of the fact that new people do come here all the time. I'd rather they be educated than spam spoonfeeding pictures. This is why people created FAQs and HOWTOs and whatever else in the earlier days of the Internet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:02:00 2012 No.8410729 >>8410726 Yes well I'd rather have them lurk more and the rest of the board report their spam threads.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:03:01 2012 No.8410732

>>8410722
Well the point of an essentials list is that they're really good or must-listens. You can't really expect someone to go through that entire Touhou Doujin Music list and listen to everything. People need to get a foot in the door. Or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:04:01 2012 No.8410736 >>8410732 Actually, you can expect people to do that. If people don't have the time to do that because of jobs or school, well, they're better off not browsing this board at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:04:30 2012 No.8410734 >>8410726 >I don't see why you people are so anti-helpful anyway. Welcome to the /jp/

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:05:00 2012 No.8410741

>>8410726
>but you should also be tolerant of the fact that new people do come here all the time
Nope.
If someone is not able to shut the fuck up until he has learned enough about the board to be not instantly reported after making a thread then you shouldn't be here in the first place

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:05:30 2012 No.8410739 >>8410726 >>you should also be tolerant of the fact that new people do come here all the time You want them to stay?

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:05:30 2012 No.8410740
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>>8410689
They're generally done to either:
a) promote the author's favorite music,
b) establish the "canon",
c) troll,
d) have a "here, have this, now piss off" message ready for the newfags asking for recommendations

I don't think we really need any of those.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:08:30 2012 No.8410749

>>8410729
But that isn't going to help them get what they want. That's just going to make them better /jp/ers. Maybe every now and then someone who has lurked for adequately long enough will politely ask, "Hey guys, what are some good albums?" and everyone will chip in with their suggestions. If this happens often (as I suspect it does--I don't really visit music threads) then some sort of list would be nice. Hell even kopipe, though an image is just prettier.
Having something written down for newbies is a good thing. Just as the rules/FAQ are a must-read and give people a reasonable (but warped) idea of the 4chan community, this could be a good opportunity to help them get a feel for Touhou music.
Besides, I'm sure it would be useful for quite a lot of non-newbies too. I have hundreds of these albums and I can't be bothered to wade through all the shit just to find the good albums.
There's nothing wrong with making things convenient.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:10:01 2012 No.8410756

>>8410749
Making things more convenient opens the way for even lazier people to come in, who will ask for everything rather than spending 5 seconds to find it themselves.

I tend to like helping people help themselves, linking to sites where they can find things, a few cursory suggestions, and the like.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:10:01 2012 No.8410757 [DELETED]

I actually made >>8410354 years ago.
Seriously, there is no point in making it a spoonfeeding image. Circles die and new circles pop up all the time.
It is better to educate people to form their own opinions and learn google and xfades. Might as well make a spoonfeeding image to teach them how to google, how to use share/pd and how to use foobar.
I will just leave this picture here. Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:10:30 2012 No.8410752 >>8410749 There are already a million resources for finding good Touhou music. >There's nothing wrong with making things convenient. You don't understand. /jp/ _likes_ having barriers to entry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:10:30 2012 No.8410758 >>8410749 Actually there is. It's about keeping certain gates closed. This sort of behaviour encourages certain things most of /jp/ would rather not have around here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:11:01 2012 No.8410762 >>8410749 >There's nothing wrong with making things convenient. It is if people start thinking they are better /jp/ers by listening to a certain kind of music. I'd rather not have a /mu/ attitude here

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:12:40 2012 No.8410768

>>8410736
>http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=torrentinfo&tid=255825&showfiles=1
>copy-paste the list of files
>almost 4000 lines long

Even assuming something TERRIBLY optimistic like checking 2 minutes per album you get almost 6 days of just Touhou music if you did that. That's not something anyone has time for.

So a recommendation chart helps everyone not just the newbs.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:13:30 2012 No.8410770
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Let's see, the list holds 48 circles so I think that's more than enough to cover the most popular circles. So far I'm thinking of adding these:

-EastNewSound
-Alstroemeria Records
-Shibayan Records
-Swing Holic
-Sound Holic
-Demetori
-Xi-On
-REDALiCE
-Mohican Sandbag
-IOSYS
-C-CLAYS

And those who actually want to help and not complain about how Touhou music is a SUPER SEEKRET KLUB DO NOT ENTER, join #touhoucore on Quakenet. Also, we could just take out the /jp/ part from the Essential Touhoucore if that makes you complainers happy. Even if we make an image like this, it doesn't mean it's only supposed to be used to spoonfeed newfags in /jp/.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:13:30 2012 No.8410772

>>8410739
Well I certainly don't have a problem with it. You were new to /b/ or /a/ or whatever once, and now you're probably a decent poster. We should tell people to fuck off and lurk more, but there's nothing wrong with new people coming to our board so long as they're reasonably mature and intelligent. Again, they would come anyway; you see people obviously from /a/ and /v/ here every day.
Though I should stress I'm not saying we should super encourage people to flock here en masse and stay and all be friends. We shouldn't make a "WELCOME TO /jp/! ^__^" guide (though I did like those guidelines) or anything like that. It's just handy to have this sort of thing for when someone asks.

>>8410741
Post this, ask them to delete their thread, problem solved.
Although that might be a poor solution, since they obviously haven't lurked enough. I mostly mean people who ask in relevant threads (rather than making their own request threads), whether new or old.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:14:00 2012 No.8410778

I like the idea of this. However, there'd be a potential shitstorm a-brewin'.

Let me begin with a rather debatable question:
>should it contain all instrumental? You shouldn't want to shoo away people with japanese vocals, don't you think?

Also, if you're going to proceed with this idea, don't put circles, put albums.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:15:01 2012 No.8410781
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I actually made >>8410354 years ago.
Seriously, there is no point in making a spoonfeeding image now that I think about it. I only did it last time to separate the genre before remijam started to post link with genre. It was unheard of back then to hear people whine when uploaders upload with just a link and album name.
Circles die and new circles pop up all the time. Might as well make a spoonfeeding image teaching them how to google and xfades, how to use share/PD and how to use foobar.
I will just leave this here. Discuss.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:16:02 2012 No.8410786

>>8410770
So you're the kind to to put retarded words in the mouth of people arguing against your point, no wonder you want to spoonfeed new people.

Honestly though, it's not about being a super secret club. I for one and I assume most other welcome anyone who takes the time to lurk and learn about this board's customs, including stuff like this music.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:17:02 2012 No.8410788

Extensive resources already exist for finding out what the big circles everyone likes are. Literally reading any Touhou music discussion thread will get you enough circles to keep you busy for a week.

>>8410768
I've logged over three thousand hours playing two (shitty) videogames over the course of my life and I'm not even a NEET. 144 hours is nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:18:02 2012 No.8410793 >>8410778 I was thinking it might not cover a wide enough amount of music, but I guess we could go with that too. Also, I think it should contain both instrumental and vocal music.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:18:02 2012 No.8410794
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I'd consider Alstroemeria Records as essential for newbies.
Since they will most likely be familiar with bad apple it's a good starting ground for them, and they are in my opinion one of the few circles that have good vocalists.

Any other "essentials" I'd suggest are pretty biased towards my own taste though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:19:02 2012 No.8410797 >>8410778 Anybody who's scared away from all Touhou doujin music because some portion of it contains Japanese vocals is so fucking stupid that why we would want to help him instead of set him on fire is beyond me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:20:01 2012 No.8410801 >>8410794 Well that's kinda why I asked for help doing this. It would also end up biased if I made it. Also, I'm not that familiar with orchestral and piano music so that's probably the most important part I need other opinions with.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:21:02 2012 No.8410804 File: 219 KB, 615x402, 1318302865.85975416.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh boy, this thread is going places.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:21:02 2012 No.8410805

>>8410781
>I actually made >>8410354 years ago.

Recommending O-Life Japan's worst album.
Containing pretty much solely some kind of symphonic metal.
Classifying it as "Eastern Instrumental Music".

God, I was actually angry when I saw that chart for the first time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:21:02 2012 No.8410806 >>8410788 The six days was purely listening to music. No overheads like switching tracks, sleeping, or other distractions like playing games or reading VNs. Not to mention that even the lossy torrent takes up a huge amount of space.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:22:31 2012 No.8410810 add 猫フロ That is all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:23:01 2012 No.8410814 >>8410805 The hell? Did we listen to the same album? It was the best o-life to date. Started with air siren, it has all the good PCB tracks and ended with a bang.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:24:01 2012 No.8410816 >>8410806 When I said three thousand hours, I did not mean I have been playing these games for half a year. I mean I played them for three thousand hours, maybe twenty seven hundred if you count respawn breaks.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:26:00 2012 No.8410820

You know what the biggest problem is? Touhou arranges encompass pretty much every style of music in existence. You're not only not going to fit everything into one chart, you're also going to end up with a chart in which a majority of music is uninteresting/unlistenable for any person on the planet.

Make this for every genre or... Actually no, wait, make this for your favorite genre and leave the rest alone. This might have some merit. Maybe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:27:01 2012 No.8410824 >>8410816 And, somehow, I also found the time to amass a list of doujin circles I like listening to on the side. Really, it's just amazing what I get up to these days.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:27:31 2012 No.8410822 >>8410816 I forgot one point also. This chart is genre-specific, as opposed to the lossy/lossless torrent which is just a enormous blob of music. In other words it has use for categorizing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:28:00 2012 No.8410828 A few good albums from a few major genres. I'm getting tired of seeing yet another rock/core recommendation chart.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:32:30 2012 No.8410835

>>8410805
To be fair, that wasn't the worst O-life album. That award goes to
>ATAI ATA-I ATAAAAAIIIII

>>8410814
I'd say that it wasn't Masami T's standard fare, and synth metal sounds bad almost always. He outdid himself with that Kou Ogata collab album though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:40:03 2012 No.8410860 >>8410814 I just checked, and Onsen Matsuri was released earlier, so no, not by any stretch. But let's put subjective taste aside, the classification alone...

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 10:44:03 2012 No.8410875

>>8410860
They are known for doing eastern classical instrumental music and of course I took my favorite o-life album from the list.
Diverse system & =neutral= dont even classify as an acoustic group but I love the albums so I just put them there and nobody actually believe cytokine is known for their piano work.
I did that list with a huge subjective bias.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 11:52:04 2012 No.8411149
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Well, I started making one alone basing it upon ratings and amounts of plays on last.fm and youtube. Still need someone to help with the piano and orchestral music.

I will now have to run some errands that will probably take up to 6 hours, so just leave opinions etc. here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 11:55:02 2012 No.8411164 >>8411149 Because all true fans of music sit down and listen to Youtube and Last.fm. At least you'll get the teenage/casual demographic.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 12:06:06 2012 No.8411217

Since this is for uninformed people you must include ZUN's originals.

No point in recommending some obscure fan remixes randomly to people who never heard a touhou song. Might as well just recommend random songs that you like instead, has exactly the same effect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 12:07:06 2012 No.8411219 >>8411149 Yeah well putting just album covers on it which basicly don't help to find the names of the bands,circles or albums at all is really pretty damn helpful

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 12:13:08 2012 No.8411249 >>8411219 Look at >>8410699 and notice it's on a similar grid. Obviously he's going to put the names in with it. >>8411217 If they fit the genre of this chart, yeah.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 18:46:07 2012 No.8413290

Finally back.

>>8411164
I've also asked from people in IRC.

>>8411217
Name
If you know what Touhou music is, you also know the original songs.

>>8411219
Obviously I'm adding in the names and circles of the albums in the lower part of the picture like >>8411249 said.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 18:54:36 2012 No.8413350 I highly suggest organizing the list by genre.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 18:57:36 2012 No.8413381 >>8413350 Yeah, I will. I'll just assemble all the albums first.

proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. Sat Jan 14 19:04:06 2012 No.8413429

Good idea, it may help us all to find more of our liking.

Sadly, the most I could do to contribute is naming some circles I think are good... I can't tell the subtle differences among the many variations of each genre.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:06:06 2012 No.8413442 >>8413429 It doesn't matter. Just name some circles or well known albums from some circles. I'll try to find out if they're considered good by other people too and possibly add them to the list.

>>	Princess of the Crystal !!icIm/7OlYEI Sat Jan 14 19:12:08 2012 No.8413504 Don't forget WAVE/Morrigan, Archiv East I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:16:37 2012 No.8413527 >>8410810 I still say add this, unless this is another metal chart.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:20:08 2012 No.8413564 >>8413527 Well, the problem is that me, none of the people I know, last.fm nor VGMDB have heard of that circle. And all of the songs have like 30 plays on Youtube. I wouldn't really call that essential even though it sounds pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:22:09 2012 No.8413586 >>8413564 Its an album, not a circle http://vgmdb.net/album/11574

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:24:09 2012 No.8413602 >>8413586 Well, it's still not a well known album and the point of an Essential Touhoucore list is to list the better known and well rated albums. I'm not saying it doesn't sound good but it just doesn't fit this list.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:26:07 2012 No.8413625 >>8410689 this

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:26:37 2012 No.8413614 >>8413602 ...so the list is another metal/core list Just wanted to clear that up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:27:07 2012 No.8413633 >>8413614 But it isn't. I can add music like the one you recommended, but from more well known circles. If one person thinks it's essential, it just isn't enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:30:07 2012 No.8413653 >>8413633 Wouldn't browsing vmgdb and other music related sites work better? Most of them hae a rating system of some sort and probably have a larger sample than a few recommendations on /jp/

proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. Sat Jan 14 19:38:08 2012 No.8413703

Ok, here are my all-time favorites. Pretty mainstream choices I would say.

TAmusic
xi-on
ALiCE'S EMOTiON
Alstroemeria Records
CROW'SCLAW
Dobu Usagi
Innocent Key
IRON ATTACK!
SOUTH OF HEAVEN
IOSYS, specially the album "Fuck the haters".
Rolling Contact
sound sepher
Silver Forest
Dark PHOENiX
Sonic Hispeed Omega
UI-70
JeuXinTerdiTs
=NeutraL=
5150
SOUND HOLIC
A-One
AQUAELIE
Azure & Sands
DDBY
Demetori
EastNewSound
Golden City Factory
Kissing the Mirror
WAVE
Liz Triangle
NJK Records
ShibayanRecords
Sound∞Infinity
THOUSAND LEAVES
WhiTECHNO

The criteria I used is to select only the circles from which I've saved at least 3 complete albums or saved at least 10 songs from different albums.

I may not have excellent taste, but I'm picky about what I hear. This comiket I ended saving only 28 songs... from like 63 albums. Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:39:37 2012 No.8413712 >>8413653 I'm already browsing through VGDMB too. Most of the albums don't have any rating at all, but I try to take in to account the ones that are rated too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:40:07 2012 No.8413721 This thread has no T=Node so it's not even worth reading.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:41:08 2012 No.8413732 >>8413725 After 2 years of browsing /jp/, I still have absolutely no idea what denpa is.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:41:38 2012 No.8413725

Honestly I think a general doujin music chart would be more useful, not that a touhou chart is worthless, but it's restrictive in a way unrelated to musical quality. A denpa chart would be kind of neat too, since information about denpa is kind of hard to come by for a lot of people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 19:48:39 2012 No.8413775 OP suck my cock dude. Take your image somewhere else and stop saying "Touhoucore".

naitoknaito Sat Jan 14 19:56:08 2012 No.8413822
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You shoulds add the names and if posible the romanization.

First, my fav arrangements because of unknow reasons.
Jun.A

Sound Sepher-東方アレンジコレクションI Pic related.

This one have a compilation his arranges, check archive for exact dates.

And the other is Toho jazz messengers.

The rest has been already said.

You should fill 2/3 of it with the popular circles and then start looking for small jewels, maybe a poll if you get too many.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 20:01:07 2012 No.8413844 >>8413732 see >>8413538

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 20:03:07 2012 No.8413849 >>8413844 Ah. I've always called music like that j-core for some reason. Well anyways, I should add Halozy too.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 20:08:08 2012 No.8413875
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Latest version. The most popular albums from circles like Sound Holic, TAMusic and =NeutraL= seem to be metal but I don't want a metal / electronic only list so I tried picking albums that are more of the music the circles are known for.

>>	Princess of the Crystal !!icIm/7OlYEI Sat Jan 14 20:59:09 2012 No.8414156 >>8413875 Better Label them or it's kinda useless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 21:04:38 2012 No.8414184 Yeah, I know. That's why I reserved space on the lower part of the image. Also, new version again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 21:09:08 2012 No.8414207 File: 2.69 MB, 1900x2000, essential touhoucore.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8414184 And of course I forgot the image.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 21:37:39 2012 No.8414391 C-CLAYS, Magnum Opus, and Sekken'ya too. I'd say those are 'essential'. And you should drop the 'core' thing. There is no such thing, and in my eyes it just makes whoever says it look like a gigantic hipster.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 21:42:39 2012 No.8414420 >>8414391 Already added C-Clays. Already have so much metal on the list all are more essential in my opinion that I won't add Magnum Opus. Also Sekken-Ya isn't really essential. And yeah, I think I'll just make it Essential Touhou and drop the "core".

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 21:44:39 2012 No.8414438 >>8414391 >Sekken'ya Can we include Zekken'ya too I love Killer Decoration and Dry Eye party so much. Please add one of them, I don't care which one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 21:52:13 2012 No.8414502 [豚乙女] オリエンタル夢紀行 [凋叶棕] 綴 [ふぉれすとぴれお] Shooting Summer [VAGUEDGE] Clamantes Monimentum Mortis [冷猫] 現夢 -genmu- [黒夜葬] 眞紅ノ眷屬ハ圓環スル螺旋ヲ嘆ズル [魂音泉] THE SELECTED WORKS OF TAMAONSEN I think are necessities.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 22:16:11 2012 No.8414669 File: 1.93 MB, 1900x2000, essential touhoucore copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Final version for tonight. It's already 5am where I live so see you in about 9 hours.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 22:18:40 2012 No.8414679 >>8414669 Oh, sorry one more thing. I realized Albatrosicks has nothing to do with Touhou. Guess I'm too tired to think straight.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 22:19:39 2012 No.8414687 >>8414669 >Paramount Fever That's an original album bro??

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 14 23:14:40 2012 No.8415023 >>8414420 >Also Sekken-Ya isn't really essential. Uh... okay... Well, I'm inherently skeptical about the whole idea, so I'm not exactly surprised here, but this is pretty much instantly invalidating your entire qualification to, well, do this at all.

Anonymous Sat Jan 14 23:17:40 2012 No.8415040

>>8415023
Pretty much. Also, something important to note about the /mu/ charts - those are one of the only times /mu/ ever actually got along and accepted each other's input to create something useful. If you aren't going to listen to other people (yes, Sekken-Ya belongs on the chart no matter how you personally feel about their music), then you may as well delete this thread and upload the 'personal recommended touhou albums' chart that you're working on.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 07:30:33 2012 No.8417687

Back in business. Seems that a lot of you people want Sekken-Ya on the list. Guess I could add it then, I just had never heard of it before and it seemed like more of a underground band judging by the amount of plays it has everywhere and that none of the albums have any ratings.

Is there some specific album that most of you guys would agree with?

Also taking in more suggestions since the list is still lacking in the jazz/piano/orchestral department.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 07:39:47 2012 No.8417714 >>8417687 Oh how stupid of me, I just realized I had been searching with Sekken-Ya when I should've searched with 石鹸屋. This band is popular after all.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 07:54:19 2012 No.8417773

Why would you put 2buta otome album?

Seriously, it is more important to to educate the newfags about vocal artist and doujin group.
For example,
ichigo - collobarate in x,y,z circle
3L - collobarate in x,y,z circle
ARM - collobarate in x,y,z circle
nagi - collobarate in x,y,z circle
wave - has morrigan and co
Also if it is for newfags, you better have a mediafire folder containing all the albums you put up to spoonfeed them.
If you are doing a recommendation chart, you might as well make a wiki and I doubt any long term /jp/ lurkers will appreciate something like this.
Just my 2cents.

Also I dont see any kisida kyoudan album or garnet star?

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 08:02:18 2012 No.8417808

>>8417773
I put 2 Buta-Otome albums because the circle has a line of albums which are pure instrumental piano music and another one which is rock/ska/folk with vocals. I could replace Touhou Nekonenban with some other piano album if there are good suggestions.

I also already have another album by Alstroemeria and I don't think adding Garnet Star is a good idea since all Alstroemeria albums are somewhat similar and Trois Noir was better rated etc.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 08:11:17 2012 No.8417845

>>8417808
>which are pure instrumental piano music and another one which is rock/ska/folk with vocals
Exactly why I said you should drop the chart and make a wiki to educate the newfags.
IOSYS isnt all about cute denpa high pitch vocals.
O-life has the reisen and cirno album with vocal shit.
AR earlier albums are all instrumental.
Kisida kyoudan has albums without ichigo in it.
Acoustic shooter is the only =neutral= album with guitar instrumental.
Same with diverse system, outside of anima all their albums are electronic.
WAVE has tons of shit from orchestral to electronic to morrigan.
You get my point? If you are just doing a best album of that particular genre, I dont see the point in it since taste is subjective.
Might as well just mirror vgmdb but add tag for genre and stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 08:17:18 2012 No.8417870 Anyone wanna bother asking some YouTube uploaders for their thoughts?

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 08:58:22 2012 No.8417994

>>8417687
>I just had never heard of it before

I don't think you realize how much of a problem this is.

First of all, imagine someone deciding to make a chart for /mu/core and somewhere along the line admitting to have never heard of, say, Pink Floyd or Radiohead. Can you guess what would they think about the reliability of his entire work afterwards? That's what I'm thinking of what you're doing right now.

Second of all, you are basically filling the chart with random covers of albums you've never heard or even heard of. Where's the value in that? Where's the point? And how is that methodology and different from just going to vgmdb and searching for Touhou albums by rating? (Wait, can you actually do that?)

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 08:59:22 2012 No.8417997

>>8417845
Anon, I understand your critical approach, but nothing will be ever done if we keep saying "This is not perfect", or "This or that would be a better solution". Let OP do the chart, he'll feel good doing it, and that's something.

And by the way, what the fuck were they thinking when doing that ATAI ATAIIII album? Such waste.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 09:14:25 2012 No.8418045
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>>8417997
I just dont understand the mentality behind trying to force their own opinion as /jp/ collective hivemind on the best album ever. Taste is subjective and if the goal of the picture is to educate newfags, all they are doing is making shitty newfags that are used to being spoonfed and becoming the next line of sheep follower.
If I have autism and tons of free time I will actually do a relationship chart between the doujin circles as that actually provide more information on the doujin circles and what kind of music they tend to produce.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 09:20:47 2012 No.8418056
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>>8417994
I know almost all of the other albums on the list. You can't expect anyone to know all the different circles there are out there, especially when everyone has different tastes. And that's also exactly why I even made this thread. I want this to reflect the opinions of other people too, not just me. I could just list my favourite albums but I ask around, check ratings and so forth.¨

Here is the latest version. Still lacking in the orchestral department, any suggestions on that? Also, pretty much covered the better known circles that came to mind now. Any one-hit-wonder albums? Should probably add at least one more hardcore techno album too, like GENSOU HARDSOUND.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 09:24:17 2012 No.8418066 >>8418056 >"WHAT IS THIRD ROW 2ND FROM LEFT" At least name them if you're going to spoonfeed. I'm quoting the future, suck my cock dude

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 09:25:47 2012 No.8418069

>>8418056
hatsune miko
felt
wave archive east
whisper record phantasmagoria
kitsune factory - just pick any, all of them sound pretty much the same
tutti sound - same as above
tenmon - use his first album
Seriously anon, doing a list when you are not even an expert in it? You are asking to be ridicule. Maybe you should hit up youtube and search Touhou Orchestra. What are you trying to achieve anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 09:26:20 2012 No.8418072 >>8418066 I will add names and genres in the bottom part of the picture. Will also rearrange all the pictures in a more logical way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 09:30:48 2012 No.8418085 File: 10 KB, 250x211, 28099-1313073213.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] if the list is supposed to become good, then it needs THIS

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 09:40:18 2012 No.8418105

Why is [冷猫] 現夢 -genmu- on this list? That's a collab album. There's all sorts of circles on that album. Put an actual 冷猫/TUMENECO album on there instead. I personally recommend either 幻想語。＜ユメガタリ＞ or ポラリス.

And you don't really have to put two Buta-Otome albums. Put their first album, 東方回転木馬, instead it has both their typical vocal tacks and a few piano solo tracks. Plus it's one of their best albums overall.

Overture Suwa/Kana are also out of place. These two albums are a C.H.S and ALiCE'S EMOTiON collaboration. They are both circles that belong on the chart, but it's better to put two albums that are more representative for each circle. For C.H.S I'd personally put either HONEY I SCREAM or RE:Setup. For ALICE'S EMOTION I really liked their C81 release a lot, but since that one hasn't quite yet seen the test of time, another album might suffice.

And we DON'T need both IO-BEST BEATS albums. The series is great, but seriously? Remove the first one and add a typical IOSYS album instead. 東方浮思戯革命, 東方河想狗蒼池 and 東方恋苺娘+ are overall some of the most even ones.

I'm also a bit bothered by the Dai Ze Yong choice of album, I personally would have picked one of their earlier albums. But that might just be me?

I have more comments, so I might post again in a while. I partially agree with >>8417994 that it seems OP might not be "experienced" enough or whatever, but we've already come this far, so let's see how this turns out.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 09:43:49 2012 No.8418109

At a glance I still don't see Yellow Zebra and Seventh Heaven MAXION.
>>8418069
>when you are not even an expert in it?
Oh please, Anon, don't be ridiculous. You are saying there are 'experts' in Touhou arranges?
>What are you trying to achieve anyway?
Making a pretty chart, I'd think.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 09:49:48 2012 No.8418120 >>8418109 I consider remijam an expert since he does fucking listen to the stuff that he uploaded.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 09:56:18 2012 No.8418144

>>8418105
Thank god, finally some constructive criticism. Point noted, will make some changes.

Replaced Buta-Otome album with the first one.

I chose Suwa/Kana because the overall style of the albums is more or less similar to the style Alice's Emotion normally has, but with some C.H.S thrown into it. The list has so much electronic music already that I thought it would be better to do it this way.

For IOSYS, I chose BEST BEATS because generally IOSYS albums tend to be very uneven with a few hits thrown in there but on the other hand it would give a more realistic image of the circle if we used one of their normal albums.

About Diao Ye Zong, I really don't know why I chose that particular album. It was 4am in the morning when I did that so I probably wasn't thinking straight. I'm thinking of replacing it with Meguri. How's that?

Keep on commenting. I gotta do some personal stuff again, but I'll be back in a few hours to catch up on everything.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:07:52 2012 No.8418173
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>>8418144
Why not use IOSYS BEST ALBUM?
You used that for xi on.
Use it for everything that has one.
Add AONE best touhou eurobeat album.
Add Touhou Euro Flash vol1.
If you only want eurobeat album representative, use TEF as I considered it superior.
Oh yeah, add Yuuhei satellite. Cant a list without it since it is the defacto official touhou anime album.
Also add one of the erhu album. Cant remember the circle name go hit them up from youtube.
Add floating cloud.
Add fromadistance.
Add forest306 and foxtail grass studio.
For Attrieletrock , Find should be the best choice.
Add N-tone as I think it is the circle that best represent ziki7.
Everfades is the defacto best piano album in my opinion.

I am not too impress with ddby cafe de touhou 3 choice. I personally prefer 秘封物語.

kitae !QSKYrUmBaM Sun Jan 15 10:13:49 2012 No.8418192

You need at least one of Sound Holic's 709sec. albums on there.
Wind Gazer or Phantom Dreamer should do the trick. I'm not as much for Endless Seeker, but it DOES have The World is All my Loving on it...

Also yes, AOne's eurobeat music deserves to be on there somewhere.

I don't know how well known it is, but Desktop Museum is a pretty sweet album too.

As for orchestral music, there's the previously mentioned Archiv East.
AOne's PLUG IN PLUG OUT album has some nice stuff in that department on it too.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:26:49 2012 No.8418227

>>8418144
>I chose Suwa/Kana because the overall style of the albums is more or less similar to the style Alice's Emotion normally has, but with some C.H.S thrown into it. The list has so much electronic music already that I thought it would be better to do it this way.

Not really. SUWA is 85% C.H.S. I think it's better to remove them and do as I said in the first post. They are great albums and I love them, but it's very confusing and not at all properly representative for ALICE'S EMOTION to be 85%+ C.H.S without them getting a proper mention.

> I'm thinking of replacing it with Meguri. How's that?
Meguri is a great choice. I was thinking either that one or Utai.

>For IOSYS, I chose BEST BEATS because generally IOSYS albums tend to be very uneven with a few hits thrown in there but on the other hand it would give a more realistic image of the circle if we used one of their normal albums.
This is more or less what I was thinking through. Google the three albums I mentioned and pick one, I think they are all as even as you might get, while still being representative.

>>8418173
>floating cloud.
>fromadistance.
>forest306
>foxtail grass studio.
>Attrieletrock

This is good. These all need to be added, at least. I can't comment on the other circles mentioned since I don't know enough about them.

I also want to add;
Bubble Records (I recommend "Clip")
Flap+Frog (I recommend dominoes e.p., but I might need a second opinion about this)

There's more, but this will do for now.

>Why not use IOSYS BEST ALBUM?
I don't think this is a BAD idea, but adding best of albums feels a bit weird. Like I said, it's feels better to go with albums that properly represent the circle. Feel free so shoot down this opinion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:27:48 2012 No.8418231 ITT: Popular = good

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:29:49 2012 No.8418240 >>8418231 it's not a chart about opinions it's chart about what's generally conceived to be common knowledge among people who like toho arranges

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:30:48 2012 No.8418244 OP, your list is missing COOL&CREATE What? This is an entry level chart, right?

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:33:49 2012 No.8418252

>>8418227
It is more like a best of list instead of a doujin circle description.
I mean ACOUSTIC SHOOTER for =NEUTRAL=?
nazz-can isnt even on that album.
Everyone know IOSYS only has 1 or 2 good tracks for each album so if you only want good iosys songs you would get their compilation album instead of getting all their albums and deleting the shitty tracks off them.
Also Touhou Sweet need to be in there for nostalgia purposes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:38:51 2012 No.8418271 >>8418109 >Oh please, Anon, don't be ridiculous. You are saying there are 'experts' in Touhou arranges? you're on /jp/, dude

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:40:51 2012 No.8418279

>>8418056
Eeeh, Amazement Park for Unlucky Morpheus? I think Jealousy or Rebirth is much more representative of the band. Although they've done some instrumental albums, I think they're more about Fuki's vocals, as the vocal albums contain more popular (and better, in my opinion) songs.

I also think Crossfire Barrage would have been more representative for Crow's Claw. Frozen Frog is a bit stylistically different from their later releases, and from their non-Touhou works. I don't think it represents their style enough to be on the chart.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:43:51 2012 No.8418292

>>8418244
It's at 3F

>>8418252
>Everyone know IOSYS only has 1 or 2 good tracks for each album so if you only want good iosys songs you would get their compilation album instead of getting all their albums and deleting the shitty tracks off them.

Haters gonna hate, but I like IOSYS and the albums I listed in >>8418105 has an average of 5 good tracks per album.

I just checked the the track list for IOSYS BEST ALBUM, and while I do think it's a great line-up, even if it's a bit dated. My only real complaint is that it's such a long album, and that feels a bit unfair. So I guess I'm neutral on this. IOSYS BEST ALBUM isn't a bad choice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:45:49 2012 No.8418300 >>8418279 >Eeeh, Amazement Park for Unlucky Morpheus? I think Jealousy or Rebirth is much more representative of the band. I agree with this. Jealousy get my vote. Amazement Park part is also good, but a bit unpolished, perhaps.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:48:19 2012 No.8418309 >>8418300 But that No Grudge Anymore, man

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:51:50 2012 No.8418326 Is 君の美術館　not a popular enough circle to be included? They've got a good number of materials, and they're pretty good, although noone on /jp/ seems to care about them. They've also performed at RTS and Flowering Night, so that's something, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:54:50 2012 No.8418333 >>8418326 It a bit hard to remember all the circles at once. But I do think they should be added. As for an album, how about "dialogue ～ Spell on Asterism ～" or "dialogue ～Starry Nightmare～"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:54:50 2012 No.8418335 >>8418300 I'd go for Hypothetical Box ACT 2. It has Dignity of Spirit, which I think is their best achievement.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 10:57:19 2012 No.8418345 >>8418252 It's clearly entry level pleb pretentious hipster shit

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:01:49 2012 No.8418359

>>8418335
>>8418309
I have to admit I'm not a super expert on Unlucky Morpheus, even though I like them. Jealosy just struck me as their most solid album overall. They have other really good album, but if it's gotta be just ONE album, I'd go with it.

But, this opinion might be biased, so please don't put too much weight in it.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:02:20 2012 No.8418361

>>8418333
Hmmm, I'd much prefer 'Ataraxia - 願うは儚き幻想の -'. That Alice arrange and Hina arrange is just godly. But 'dialogue ～ Spell on Asterism ～' would be fine, too.

I think their best album is 'Dialogue～Stella_Theater～' though, but that only has like 4 tracks. Wouldn't work at all as a starter album.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:04:19 2012 No.8418369 >>8418292 >Also Touhou Sweet need to be in there for nostalgia purposes. But Touhou Celeb is better My favorite Innocent Key album Unfunny sexual harassment has never been THIS groovy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:05:50 2012 No.8418375 >>8418056 >Putting TOHOHUM in instead of the much superior 東方マグマ or even any of the 石鹸屋のお歳暮 OP what are you doing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:06:50 2012 No.8418379 >>8418361 I might need to take it for another round, but "Ataraxia" didn't sit as well with me as "Spell on Asterism". They're both very good at conveying the circle's general style however, so it's just a matter of preference.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:07:49 2012 No.8418383 >>8418375 >suggesting those instead of lv.20 or ～the maximum moving about!～ Anon what are you doing?

>>	proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander !rSDMROXTB. Sun Jan 15 11:08:19 2012 No.8418386 >>8418231 >/jp/ Essential Touhoucore And you said it: albums/circles recommended by /jp/. It's does not imply they're good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:08:22 2012 No.8418389 >>8418383 ...could you by any chance be the guy I argued with last night on the Touhou vocals thread?

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:09:50 2012 No.8418395

>>8418375
I think TOHOHUM is a great choice. 東方マグマ is good but more uneven, in my opinion.

石鹸屋のお歳暮 ... is good, but old. TOHOHUM or 東方マグマ give a better idea of the circle's works overall.

Also Shuzo's solo albums get canned? I think Killer Decoration and Dry Eye Party are superb.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:10:19 2012 No.8418399 >>8418389 what arguing, everyone just posted their fav sekkenya song

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:13:50 2012 No.8418411 >>8418309 Damn, Anon. Now I'll have to have another Reincarnation day. What are the best Reincarnation arranges you have, /jp/?

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:15:20 2012 No.8418422

>>8418359
Yeah, Jealousy is good. Production-wise, it's also a much better album than Rebirth, and composition-wise, overall it's slightly better than Rebirth, and definitely more solid than Hypothetical Box. However I found myself listening to Rebirth a lot more. It's just the songs are more fun and catchy!

They're both good, though, and either one should be okay for the chart. Much more than Amazement Park, anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:15:49 2012 No.8418426 >>8418389 I'm not that other Anon, but I was the one who posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vi2sxkgAJ0

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:19:50 2012 No.8418448

>>8418411
You're welcome. If you're in the mood for metal, these are good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrHYSYXQqcw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c38GryAlKl8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCFR8H17gcY
it's a parody of another song, though, but damn if it's not epic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfrR4bqv9eA
best one for me

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:22:50 2012 No.8418460 >>8418395 Should be 東方不可拘束～the maximum moving about!～ then. It's way more to the band's style and has some of their best songs. Then again it's also old, so eh.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:23:19 2012 No.8418465

>>8418411
The Seventh Heaven Maxion one is the one that first comes to mind for me.

It's a pretty nice ballad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaRnRgoHGvw

As for adding セブンスヘブンMAXION to the chart, my vote for a representative album goes to "First Angriff".

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:29:20 2012 No.8418489

>>8418460
>Should be 東方不可拘束～the maximum moving about!～ then.

Really? I really love Sekken'ya so any of their albums should technically be fine, but I stand pretty firm in my belief that TOHOHUM is the best representative in this case.

FILM END is classy as fuck
ORANGE CAT FALSETTO is super groovy
LOSE ONE'S FAITH is epic
MISHAGUJI EMPIRE is incredibly catchy

I love their other albums too, but I think TOHOHUM is the best example of all the different styles Sekken'ya can handle in the genre. It's a solid, varied albums that shows all their sides.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:31:19 2012 No.8418499 >>8418489 also derp, just my opinion I'm fine with 東方不可拘束～the maximum moving about!～ Sorry if I'm making this into a big deal

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:32:20 2012 No.8418505 >>8418489 It doesn't have Maximum Moving About's last track. Now THAT'S Sekkenya

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:34:20 2012 No.8418510

>>8418448
Thanks, Anon, but I had already heard them all. Not that I enjoyed them any less, of course, but for Reincarnation I always want more and more.
And don't say Onryouji is a parody of 'another song'. Onmyouza is not 'another band', they're the motherfucking lords.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:35:50 2012 No.8418520 >>8418489 >>8418499 I find 'borrowing' other, more famous bands' materials to be a part of Sekkenya, and TOHOHUM doesn't have much of that, so yeah. I just remembered TOHOHUM has After in it, though, so I've changed my mind~

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:39:50 2012 No.8418538 >>8418520 >I find 'borrowing' other, more famous bands' materials to be a part of Sekkenya Well, they used to be a "Red Hot Chili Peppers" cover band...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:44:21 2012 No.8418559 >>8418379 Maybe it's because Ataraxia had too much Cherose in it? I know I had to relisten to him for a while before I got used to his voice.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 11:56:24 2012 No.8418624

>>8418559
For some reason I remember the vocals in Ataraxia as being below average for Kimi no Museum, but I don't recall blaming Cherose for it.

I like him, but he's a bit... boring? He always sounds the same. I wish the girls would get to sing more, not because I dislike him, but because I think that would give the album(s) more variety.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 12:02:55 2012 No.8418653 >>8418624 It's because he tries too hard to be GACKT, when GACKT himself is boring. At least that's what I'd like to believe. And yeah, fi-fy is goooood. I just hope OP include them in the chart~

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 12:04:55 2012 No.8418680 >>8418056 What album is G5? Cover artists looks like CYTOKINE artist, but I'm pretty sure that's not a CYTOKINE album. The list needs a CYTOKINE albums, however, preferably "Bifurcation".

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 12:14:53 2012 No.8418739

>>8418653
This is my favorite Chrose vocal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXDD430jHOs
I'm not even kidding
Finally something different from him, that's not just same-voice throughout the entire song.

note; not for people who don't like "experimental" man vocals

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 12:27:27 2012 No.8420421,1 >>8420399 I have some nitpicking to do, but I lost my tl;dr post when the site went down. Dammit

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 12:30:52 2012 No.8418825
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Found this from some time ago.

Also, consider making a version with a legenda under it (black space under the grid with circle names and album titles), I know /jp/ hates the thought of other people enjoying what they do, but it would be much appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 12:32:21 2012 No.8418832 >>8418825 Hooo boy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 12:40:24 2012 No.8418873 >>8418825 This is a decent chart, but I feel it's outdated. It does answer my question in >>8418680 though. Thanks

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 12:59:51 2012 No.8418982 >>8418825 >Alstroemeria in JPOP this is everything wrong with the world. Everything evil. The worst part is, it's true

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 13:01:20 2012 No.8418996 >>8418825 Kishida in JPOP? Either all I've known is a lie or something fishy is going on with that chart.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 13:05:21 2012 No.8419016 >>8418873 I update my statement, I didn't read the genres the fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 13:07:21 2012 No.8419023 >>8418982 No, it's not. Kill yourself and whoever made that image.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 13:08:21 2012 No.8419032 >>8419023 /jp/ made it collectively before the big shitting

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 13:17:20 2012 No.8419071 File: 58 KB, 850x750, 1274722440482.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8418825 >2012 >not listing sound sepher and cytokine under electronic

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 13:18:51 2012 No.8419077 >>8419071 That CYTOKINE album is a piano album Surprise

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 14:20:51 2012 No.8419440
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Newest version. Tell me if I missed something. Also here is a list of the albums, I'd appreciate if I could get some help with tagging them correctly. And for those who haven't realized it yet OF COURSE I WILL ADD THE ALBUM AND ARTIST NAMES IN THE LOWER PART OF THE PICTURE.

1.
Vibration of Vomb - Mohican Sandbag (electronic/psytrance)
Kokoro Vibration - Shibayan Records (electronic)
Vol 3 - Swing Holic (jazz)
Touhou Onsen Matsuri - O-Life Japan (folk)
RESetup; - C.H.S (electronic/denpa/vocal)
FANATIC HARDCORE RED LABEL - ALiCE'S EMOTiON (electronic/hardcore/vocal)
JeuXin TerdiTs - IOSYS (metal)
曼衍珠汝華～ Nada Upasana Pundarika - Demetori (metal)

2.
東方志奏 Ex Spell -Memory of the Past - Xi-on (progressive metal/instrumental)
Sacred Factor - EastNewSound (electronic)
Trois Noir - Alstroemeria Records (electronic)
Touhou Suisougaku - Silver Forest (pop)
Metallical Astronomy - Sound Holic (rock)
月 -TSUKI- - Sound Holic (rock)
Touhou Nocturnes For Pianoforte「Spirit」 - TAMUSIC (piano/orchestral)
Acoustic Shooter - =NeutraL= (acoustic)

3.
幻想郷に恋したミューズ - K-waves LAB (acoustic)
Touhou Fushigi Kakumei - IOSYS (denpa/electronic)
Phantom Dreamer - Sound Holic feat 709sec. (rock/vocal/electronic)
廃弾奏結界鬼譚奏鳴曲 Demon tale sonata - dBu music (orchestral/rock)
Crossfire Barrage - Crow's Claw (rock/metal)
Touhou Vocal Collection "Flowering ERINNNNNN!!" - COOL&CREATE (denpa/rock/vocal)
Crescendo Planet - Halozy (electronic/vocal)
Nostalgia - Sound Online (electronic/trance)

(continued)

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 14:23:21 2012 No.8419456

>>8419440

And of course, now I realize I could've put this on pastebin or somewhere rather than post the whole list here. Well, too late.

4.
Cafe De Touhou 3 - DDBY (jazz/instrumental)
Vampire Concerto - IRON ATTACK! (metal/instrumental)
Jealousy - Unlucky Morpheus (metal/vocal)
Touhou Rouran - Innocent Key (electronic/denpa/rock)
Touhou Gensou Shiten 3 "Deary" - Sound Sepher (electronic/rock/instrumental)
Touhou Kaiten Mokuba - BUTAOTOME (rock/ska/piano/vocal)
Duende - fromadistance (orchestral/electronic)
The Grimoire Of Alice (metal)

5.
Hoshitsukuyo - C-CLAYS (rock/pop/electronic/folk/vocal)
Meguri - Diao Ye Zong (rock/piano/vocal)
genmu - TUMENECO (rock/metal/vocal)
THE SELECTED WORKS OF TAMAONSEN - TAMAONSEN (pop/rap/vocal/hip hop)
T★GIRLS.02 - forestpireo (pop/vocal/rock/electronic)
TOHOHUM - Sekken-Ya (rock/vocal/garage)
Gensou Jihen - Kishida Kyoudan & The Akeboshi Rockets (rock/vocal)
Sora no Tomoshibi to Utau Densou Gengaku - QLOCKS (piano/vocal)

6.
ARCHIV-EAST - WAVE (orchestral)
GENSOU HARDSOUND #006 - KINZOK ON (electronic/gabber/breakcore)
Flower Flag - FELT (pop/vocal/electronic)
navigation il mare - forest306/Foxtail-Grass Studio (acoustic/orchestral/piano/ambient)
dialogue ~Spell on Asterism~ - kimino-museum (rock/pop/vocal)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 14:38:27 2012 No.8419545 >>8419440 Yes. You seemed to have missed 5150 and UI-70. I can't see Liz Triangle anywhere on there, either.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 14:44:53 2012 No.8419586

>>8419456
>>8419440
As I said before, please substitute Genmu for something else by TUMENECO.

And please add one album each for Forest306 and Foxtail Grass Studios.

Not to mention, Navigation Il Mare is the collective work of Forest306, Foxtail-Grass Studio Navigation AND みかん箱.

I recommend;
Forest306 - 星屑の還る場所　"Artificial StarDust" or 東方阿漕祭. But all of their albums are good enough, really.

Foxtail Grass Studios - Lupinus　幻想写景 -風- or Cattleya 幻想写景 -妖-. Unless you want to go with their Seasonal series, but those albums are very short.

Feel free to argue against.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 14:46:22 2012 No.8419593 >>8419440 Why do you have that pic of Miko if you're just gonna cover her head with album covers?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 14:47:52 2012 No.8419605 >>8419440 >>8419456 Wait, what? No Sync Art's? Really, OP?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 14:48:23 2012 No.8419611 >>8419545 Other person here, linking to posts with circles that should be considered; >>8418069 >>8418465 >>8418369 >>8418680 sorry if I missed anyone

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 14:54:52 2012 No.8419652

Added Touhou Eurobeat vol.4, Nekomonogatari and Flight of Eternal Night.

>>8419545
We already have enough metal so 5150 is out. Added Endless Flight of Eternal Night for UI-70, any arguments against that? Also, what should we do about Liz Triangle. Can't fit everything.

>>8419586
Can't fit all of those artists, so should we just go with Forest306 and drop Foxtail Grass Studio or the other way around? What TUMENECO album should we use?

>>8419593
Will be fixed or removed completely later.

Oh boy, now begins the hardest part where everyone wants to change something. Can't you guys cut some slack on some of the albums? I can't really make the list bigger either since it already holds 48 albums.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 14:56:52 2012 No.8419668 >>8419652 For Tumeneco, use 「幻想語。＜ユメガタリ＞」

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 14:58:23 2012 No.8419689

>>8419652
Make more space.

I'm serious.

We either make this a 10 album tops list where we list the essentials of the essentials, or we go all out and make it a list of everything that's well-known enough to get mentioned in this thread.

Like that, Music discussion threads can still be kept interesting.

And if you are considering to cut Liz Triangle, you should consider to cut something else instead.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 14:59:23 2012 No.8419695

[梶迫小道具店] Capricioasă Gând needs to be up there, it's technically hip-hop but covers a lot of genres just a couple tracks are actually hip-hop and they are awesome.
To get an idea of what I'm talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6VTDUbvYT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8Acy0ULDh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SRnoF3a56Q

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:02:52 2012 No.8419709 >>8419652 No, really, you're cutting off Sync Art's? Also I guess Yellow Zebra is off, too?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:07:55 2012 No.8419727 Regardless which way to go, the chart might need some cutting.... I'm proposing; Forest Piero Kishi Kyoudan SOUND HOLIC feat 709sec Metallical Astronomy

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:11:55 2012 No.8419743

>>8410768
> Even assuming something TERRIBLY optimistic like checking 2 minutes per album you get almost 6 days of just Touhou music if you did that.
Total playtime is 15 weeks, 5 days, 01:06:36.

Easy. NEETs today are just too lazy. Back in the day we had to walk uphill both to and from work, even if it was snowing!

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:14:54 2012 No.8419765

Well if it means anything I've been coming to /jp/ for around half a year now and been on 4chan for around 3 or 4 years now. As a technically newfag and especially a newfag to /jp/ I avoid asking for sauce because it is best to figure it the fuck out myself and it is annoying for sauce requests to be spammed. I welcome this chart and a lot of the other material in this thread since it condenses a lot of what I have learned in that time and provides some new material. There is so much to the touhou universe in music alone that finding it all with minimal assistance is very difficult. I'll go back to lurking now. Thanks for all the new stuff.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:22:53 2012 No.8419817

I won't make the list bigger than it already is, but I think we could cut out some of the metal. I'm proposing Metallical Astronomy and Vampire Concerto. We could put in Liz Triangle and Sync Art's. Replaced Genmu from TUMENECO with Gensougo <Yumegatari>. What albums should I use from Liz Triangle and Sync Art's?

I think then we would have a fairly solid list representing all kinds of genres.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:26:23 2012 No.8419844

>>8419817
I say White Lotus... from Liz Triangle and White Magic from Sync.Art's. And yes, I would agree this is pretty good now. If we add more it will just become too bloated. If you decide to listen through all of this, you'll be sure to find other similar bands in the process.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:26:23 2012 No.8419845 >>8419817 >Liz Triangle White Lotus or 散花 >Sync Art's HEART CHAIN

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:30:23 2012 No.8419871 >>8419844 HEART CHAIN has Masayoshi Minoshima in it and we already have a fair amount of work by him, so I think we should go with HEART CHAIN like >>8419845 said.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:31:53 2012 No.8419882 >>8419871 Oh sorry, I meant White Magic has Minoshima.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:37:22 2012 No.8419918 File: 100 KB, 565x589, 15-1-2012 22-36-29.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8410768 That feel when I have whole torrent

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:42:22 2012 No.8419961 >>8419652 >Can't fit all of those artists, so should we just go with Forest306 and drop Foxtail Grass Studio or the other way around? Keep Forest306.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:45:22 2012 No.8419990 >>8419961 Is Touhou Akogisai fine?

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:45:22 2012 No.8419991
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Whoever is making this chart needs to put in [Levo Lution] Skyrise in. It's Progressive Trance/Liquid Funk and it is one of the best touhou electronic albums I have ever heard.

Samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOwDVMzNrPQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sau-Y-W-Awo&feature=related

Also even though whoever is making the list said earlier that they won't add Magnum Opus, please reconsider, The circle consistently puts out fantastic arranges. Also this album (MGCD-0006 - 東方幻想史紀～ Record of Ancient Chronicles ～) is entirely a PC-98 arrange album. I imagine there aren't many of those on the list. The album itself is amazing as well.

Samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn5vP0cNI3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX1lAMTfRQA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d_BYlexz8c

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:50:24 2012 No.8420022 >>8419990 Yes, it's fine.

>>	naitoknaito Sun Jan 15 15:55:23 2012 No.8420046 File: 307 KB, 600x526, etdgw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] There's not enough Jazz. TOHO JAZZ MESSENGERS-girls apartment

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 15:56:26 2012 No.8420056 We're getting there but there's still a lot that needs fixing. Waiting for OP to post an updated chart.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:01:35 2012 No.8420087
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Updated version coming through, sorry if the picture quality is bad. I tried to save a more compressed version. The final version will be a png.

>>8419991
Damn that's a tough one. I know Magnum Opus is really good and especially the fact that there aren't any PC-98 albums on the list, but I'm not sure what we could take out. I guess -TSUKI- would be one option since Sound Holic is better known for their 709sec albums. For now, I won't do anything about Levo Lution although I agree it's good.

>>8420046
I agree, but what could be replaced?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:03:24 2012 No.8420096 >>8420087 >I guess -TSUKI- would be one option since Sound Holic is better known for their 709sec albums Come on, that's not true. Remove 709sec. Change TSUKI to OMOI.

>>	naitoknaito Sun Jan 15 16:05:53 2012 No.8420118 >>8420087 All these seem good, if you could increase the image size for another row. There's a good number of albums that deserve a place here.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:07:54 2012 No.8420133

>>8420087
I think there's too much rock, pop and metal on this chart. We need more jazz, piano and orchestra.

I still think Forest Piero and Kishi Kyoudan can go. There are better and more well-know circles that fill their genre.

Could you list all the circles again? Never mind the albums.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:07:54 2012 No.8420134 >>8420118 Just one more row I guess. Then we could fit all the suggestions missing from this version. Levo Lution - Skyrise, TOHO JAZZ MESSENGERS -girls apartment and Sound Holic - OMOI coming through. What more?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:10:54 2012 No.8420147 >>8420096 KAZE: ﾅｶﾞﾚﾕｸｰ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:13:25 2012 No.8420156 >>8420133 http://pastebin.com/EZMc3mn3 What should they be replaced with then? I think Forest Pireo is good, but I agree with Kishi Kyoudan.

naitoknaito Sun Jan 15 16:15:55 2012 No.8420165
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There's a good number of House sets, you could use a couple places for all them due to all having the same name structure

Particulary SA, IN, UFO and Moriya.
Don't know if you should add PCB one.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:15:55 2012 No.8420166

>>8420134
CYTOKINE - Bifurcation
flap+frog - dominoes e.p
Tutti Sound - 東方交響音楽選～雅
狐の工作室 - 東方幻想界 -妖々夢の音-
光と闇の協奏曲 - Touhou pianoforte Ⅱ -Lunatic rhapsodia-

Take all these into consideration please. I also mentioned Bubble Records before, but no-one else has. What about them?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:17:54 2012 No.8420173 >>8420165 Fucking this. Where are all the good house?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:18:55 2012 No.8420177 >>8420165 I think we'll be fine with one. If you liked the one we list, you'll probably end up searching for the rest of them. Which one should we use? Personally I like the Mountain of Faith one. >>8420166 I'll those through in a moment.

>>	naitoknaito Sun Jan 15 16:19:54 2012 No.8420182 >>8420177 Particulary I'd use IN or Moriya.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:21:24 2012 No.8420188 > No Sound CYCLONE Who am I quoting? > JeuXin TerdiTs - IOSYS (metal) Sage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:22:54 2012 No.8420196 >>8420166 >BubbleRecords aqua is pretty decent... but really "essential"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:24:24 2012 No.8420208 >>8420196 I recommended "Clip". But agreed, they might not be "essential".

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:25:55 2012 No.8420216 >>8420166 I meant Touhou Pianoforte Ⅰ -Requiem for Sakura- Not the one in the post. Sorry!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:26:54 2012 No.8420219 I think this one deserves a place on the list. But I'm not sure how to categorize the genre. http://vgmdb.net/album/10543

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 16:32:28 2012 No.8420247 File: 227 KB, 1000x987, 飛翔旋律.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] CTBR - 飛翔旋律神曲多いよな

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 17:00:24 2012 No.8420374 >>8420166 I keep forgetting Hatsunetsu Miko's

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 17:05:54 2012 No.8420399
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Is this good now? I will be going to sleep in about 15 minutes, so I can make some last finishing touches for today. Will be doing the rest of the work tomorrow.

>>	naitoknaito Sun Jan 15 17:07:26 2012 No.8420407 File: 48 KB, 421x249, Namusan sunglases.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Looks good to me. Gj.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 17:08:23 2012 No.8420416 I completely forgot about those two. http://vgmdb.net/album/9779 http://vgmdb.net/album/18211 the best by dBu and his friends.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 17:08:53 2012 No.8420414 >>8420399 And circle/album/genre list: http://pastebin.com/c0Wgx5E2 Any changes you guys want to make into this? I might've incorrectly tagged something so help me out in this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 17:11:53 2012 No.8420421 File: 105 KB, 600x594, ui0120-jkt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8410676 UI-70 - 彼岸花葬 (Higanbanasou) ～the view of spiral riverside～, Comiket 69 Anyone concur?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 15 17:16:57 2012 No.8420427 >>8420421 We already have Endless Night of Eternal Flight. I think it's good enough.

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 17:21:57 2012 No.8420430

>>8420399
Nitpicking

fromadistance - change Duende to Eureka
Innocent Key - change Touhou Suisougaku to Touhou Celeb
SOUND HOLIC - change Phantom Dreamer to 想 -OMOI-
SWING HOLIC - consider changing VOL.3 to VOL.5; what does others think about this?

Remove white bars from RE:Setup cover.

Remove
Kishi Kyoudan and The Akeboshi Rockets
Forest Piero

Add;
Hatsunetsu Miko's - Re:Starlights & An Umbrella

As for the general layout;
Make the chart triangular. Move the image of Miko to the right and use that space for the text. She'll be covered by the text but at least she'll b visible. Also consider making the background color a bit lighter?

Anonymous Sun Jan 15 23:48:55 2012 No.8420787
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>>8418085
This is my favorite Touhou album bar none. Very creative. Seems like kefy picked a whole new style just for the album. Sadly, nothing else he has made has matched up to fractaleline-gift.

If you're interested, it's NRG, it's drum and bass, it's darkstep, it's hardcore and a whole bunch that's hard to describe. Definite vote for this album.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 00:03:55 2012 No.8420856

>>8420399
JeuXinTerdiTs shouldn't be there. It's pretty average as far as rock goes. You should replace it with something else.

If you're not going to bother including all of the big 5 of metal, you might as well only put one in there. Crow's Claw and UI-70 are tangentially similar in style, so you could drop either one for something from another genre (preferrably UI-70 lol). I would rather have 5150 there, but Ankimo is already there, so it's fine, I guess.

Also,
>君の美術館
>SYNC.ART'S
>FELT
I love you, OP!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 00:07:24 2012 No.8420872 Looking good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 00:07:54 2012 No.8420874 >>8420430 Remove Forestpireo? Why.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 00:12:24 2012 No.8420885 I see 曼衍珠汝華～ Nada Upasana Pundarika on the chart, but not 如臨深遠～雨縒煙柳～ (Sinen)? Surely, I'm not the only one who thinks that Sinen was Demetori's best album to date.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 01:02:25 2012 No.8420910 >>8420399 Are you gonna write what the names of the albums actually are? You can't tell by looking at most of the album artwork.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 03:20:14 2012 No.8421104 File: 645 KB, 1900x2000, essential touhoucore copy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Latest and probably final version. Will start adding the circle/album names when I get home.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 04:38:25 2012 No.8421336

>>8420885
Nope.
Shocking how the best album of all time, even GAYbar thinks it is the best album.
http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/3717689/
Also, picking TEB over TEF? Seriously, is there really anyone out there that prefer TEB to TEF?
Lack of chill out music from Ntone, Dustbox49, t=node, Attrielectrock and the worst offence, omitting motherfucking GIFT. It is the only album in my opinion that come close to vibration of the womb of giving you what the fuck is this music?
No Innocent Key as well.
Might as well rename the list as my favourite touhou music. Why are half the album in there metal/rock anyway?
Please do not post it here as if it is supposed to
represent /jp/ opinions.
Oh okay, at least gift is added.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 06:13:56 2012 No.8421620

Changed Nada Upasana to Sinen. Everyone seems to be pretty happy with this layout now. Any other arguments? If no, I'll start adding the descriptions.

>>8421336
I don't know anyone who prefers TEF over TEB and no-one besides you has complained about TEB so far so I'll be leaving it that way. Also, the last time I checked Touhou Celeb was a Innocent Key album. It was also the one recommended the most from their albums.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 06:15:57 2012 No.8421627 >>8421336 Dude, have you read the thread at all? Pretty much every album on the list is chosen by someone else than OP and he took in all the recommendations and album change ideas. This is as close as we'll get to a list that represents all of /jp/.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 06:37:32 2012 No.8421695

>>8421104

As impossible as it is to make an essential Touhou list, I think OP has done a pretty good job. A lot of the genres are represented on it and there's a few really amazing albums on it. It's far too difficult to make one list for every touhou arrange given their numbers and varying genres, so I doubt the list is going to get much better than this. Obviously people will disagree but they always do when making this kind of thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 06:55:57 2012 No.8421748 >>8421620 We had that argument before. I love both but I am still pretty sure most people think Euro Flash is vastly superior to Euro Beat. Check the archive.

>>	Turhake !RM9y4fe2X6 Mon Jan 16 06:58:27 2012 No.8421756 >>8421748 Care to give a link? I'm quite busy with writing the descriptions. I'll change it if people actually think like that.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 07:01:27 2012 No.8421767

>>8421748

I like both, and I have seen people argue for each label over the other. The only reason I think TEB should be on the list over TEF is because of the novelty of having an English vocalist on one/two of the tracks. Personally I think both are good but this is the one thing which tips it into TEB favour for me. I know the list is meant to be for essentials but I think it should showcase a fairly wide of variety of music/singing as well.

>>	Turhake !RM9y4fe2X6 Mon Jan 16 07:02:57 2012 No.8421770 >>8421767 T. Stebbins is the reason why I would choose TEB too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 07:05:57 2012 No.8421783 >>8421756 http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/7037834/#7037850 Just do a +eurobeat +flash +beat search and you can see them. Opinions are split but I see more in favor of Euro Flash.

>>	Turhake !RM9y4fe2X6 Mon Jan 16 07:09:57 2012 No.8421793 >>8421783 People seem to be liking TEB only for T.Stebbins, while TEF has more solid albums. I'll change it to TEF then I guess, since a few songs from an otherwise pretty mediocre album can't beat a more solid one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 07:11:57 2012 No.8421799 >>8421793 Which TEF you changing it to? I personally prefer 2 (primarily for Mariapolo's track Too Love Too Love) but either is cool.

>>	Turhake !RM9y4fe2X6 Mon Jan 16 07:12:57 2012 No.8421800 >>8421799 I've heard more good things about the first one. But I'll take arguments against it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 07:27:57 2012 No.8421830 >>8421800 Vol1 has miracle hinacle. The newfags will eat this up.

>>	Turhake !RM9y4fe2X6 Mon Jan 16 07:29:04 2012 No.8421837 >>8421830 Oh right, I think that settles it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 07:35:58 2012 No.8421854 >>8421837 vol 1 was better because more earworms. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eabqoavBFC4

Turhake !RM9y4fe2X6 Mon Jan 16 09:28:48 2012 No.8422067
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It's finally done. I present to you in glorious 4.6mb png format, "/JP/ Essential Touhou". Here is a link to the proper version since the file is too large to post here: http://i.imgur.com/72Yg8.jpg

Tell me if you see any mistakes and I'll fix them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 09:33:31 2012 No.8422072 >>8422067 Huh. Too many electronica and not enough jazz or piano. Figures. Also, is it really necessary to put your trip in there?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 09:35:59 2012 No.8422074 >>8422072 Are you expecting a poster with a tripcode not to be an attentionwhore? You can erase it if anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 09:37:29 2012 No.8422075 >>8422072 What were you expecting? No sane normal /jp/ anon will do something just cause /a/, /v/ and /mu/ has their own recommendation chart. Spoonfeeding is not something that /jp/ encourage.

>>	Turhake !RM9y4fe2X6 Mon Jan 16 09:37:58 2012 No.8422077 >>8422067 Oh wait, imgur turns the image into a jpg, I totally forgot. Uploaded it to mediafire now: http://www.mediafire.com/?hqxztztp7782t5d >>8422072 Meh, I never use this trip but just to be sure I don't want someone else taking credit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 09:47:28 2012 No.8422087 File: 1.23 MB, 1900x2000, 1326724113336.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fixed a small error.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 09:47:31 2012 No.8422091 >>8422077 >I don't want someone else taking credit. I don't think you have to worry about that.

>>	Turhake !RM9y4fe2X6 Mon Jan 16 09:49:58 2012 No.8422097 >>8422087 You know, if that bothers you guys so much I could just edit it out from the proper png version.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 09:51:28 2012 No.8422101

Wait?
Why is everything dump to electronic.
This is the first time I heard of that eurobeat is a sub category of electronic.
Stuff like FELT or TGirls are hardly electronic. More like POP.
8bit/famicom music should get their own category.
It is misleading to lump into a category. Split them up?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 09:51:58 2012 No.8422103 >>8422097 Don't worry, we're just teasing you. Or are we?

Turhake !RM9y4fe2X6 Mon Jan 16 09:54:59 2012 No.8422108

>>8422101
I tried splitting up the pop into electronic and rock, but I guess we could just split pop into it's own category. The problem is that some of those albums have a lot of different music in them, so I kind of tried to split it in that way.

>>8422103
Who knows, maybe we should ask ZUN!bar.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 09:57:01 2012 No.8422115

>>8422101
>This is the first time I heard of that eurobeat is a sub category of electronic.

You learn something new everyday, Anon.

>It is misleading to lump into a category.

It's not misleading by any stretch to use the classification that the entire world uses.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 09:59:00 2012 No.8422122

>>8422101
ITT: Complaints

Personally, I think >>8422087 is beautiful. It makes me happy just seeing the covers of so many albums I know and have enjoyed so much.
Now, if we could just go back in time and give these albums to some Baroque and Classical composers... I'd like to see their reactions.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:01:59 2012 No.8422126

>>8422122
I assume they would first ask what is a CD, then if we could actually play the music they would call it the devils work. After explaining what CDs are they would still call the music itself some sort of devil worship, unless we play the orchestral ones.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:03:59 2012 No.8422131

>>8422122
They would shake their heads in confusion, in which afterward they would proceed to put their palm on their forehead, and after realizing the horror that music of such low quality and complexity, not to mention low aesthetic, will be the norm in the future, spasm uncontrollably on the ground, and die. Good job killing those so-called virtuosos.

Good riddance, I say.

Turhake !RM9y4fe2X6 Mon Jan 16 10:06:30 2012 No.8422139
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So, is this version fine or should we try splitting up the pop albums? If there's nothing left to change, I'll email the person in charge of the /mu/ Essentials Archive and request for it to be put up there.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:07:29 2012 No.8422141

>>8422122
C-CLAYZ has zero similarity with Hatsunemiko or FELT.
This is for newfags, not for people that know all about the circles like you.
Imagine someone downloading GROUND ZERO ～TOHO ROCK!! 2007 expecting the album to sound exactly like FELT and Hatsunemiko.
I thought the purpose was to educate newfags, not for people to see all their favorite albums on it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:10:00 2012 No.8422150 >>8422141 Their genres are still the same though. Think about mainstream radio stations, almost all the songs they play are electronic pop, but they don't all sound the same at least some of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:12:29 2012 No.8422155 >>8422141 >newfags >newfags

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:27:01 2012 No.8422211 >>8422139 I find it distracting that the album names are a mixture of romaji and moonrunes. A little consistency would be nice, like write them all in romaji OR moonrunes. Maybe it's just me, I'm OCD like that.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:30:01 2012 No.8422231 [DELETED]

>>8422115
Now that I actually read the chart, this is the only classification done correctly, really.

Piano and Acoustic aren't exactly musical genres, OP. If the folk wasn't so painfully underrepresented, you could just split it into its own category and leave the rest as "Classical" or something to that effect. Not to mention I don't believe synthesized music that you call "acoustic" and "orchestral" can be classified as such under any stretch. The clusterfuck under the Rock umbrella is pretty much unavoidable (it IS an umbrella genre, after all), so I guess splitting pop out from rock and electronic would be a good idea (as a bonus, it would make it obvious how much actual rock is underrepresented, too).

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:34:30 2012 No.8422249

>>8422115
Now that I actually read the chart, this is the only classification done correctly, really.

Piano and Acoustic aren't exactly musical genres, OP. If the folk wasn't so painfully underrepresented, you could just split it into its own category and leave the rest as "Classical" or something to that effect. Not to mention I don't believe synthesized music that you call "acoustic" and "orchestral" can be classified as such under any stretch. The clusterfuck under the Rock umbrella is pretty much unavoidable (it IS an umbrella genre, after all), so I guess splitting pop out from rock and electronic would be a good idea (as a bonus, it would make it obvious how much actual rock is underrepresented, too). You could then join the remaining albums with metal (it is a subgenre of rock after all, no matter how hard metalheads try to deny it).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:39:31 2012 No.8422273 >>8422249 >(it is a subgenre of rock after all, no matter how hard metalheads try to deny it). But that's like saying rock is a subgenre of blues. Sure, it's not wrong, but it's stupid.

Turhake !RM9y4fe2X6 Mon Jan 16 10:40:31 2012 No.8422281

I'll throw out pop out of rock and electronic then but I'd rather not merge rock and metal. I might not be able to finish this today since once again, I have a lot of stuff to do besides this.

This is kind of why I asked for help with tagging the albums with the correct genres earlier but no one didn't notice.

Here is the text based version I used for the latest version: http://pastebin.com/GG6m97iq

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:48:00 2012 No.8422338

Skip the classification, but tag the doujin circles by vocal/non-vocal.
Vocal
male/female/both
genre: a/b/c

Non Vocal
instrument: guitar/piano/flute/violin/etc
genre: a/b/c

I am sure I am not the only one here that skip any albums with male vocals or growl crap.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:49:00 2012 No.8422342 >>8422338 Please don't hate men.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:51:00 2012 No.8422352 File: 309 KB, 512x384, 1307875363150.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8422342 Female power! Down with men!

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:55:32 2012 No.8422368

>>8422273
Rock != rock'n'roll. It has evolved significantly away from both blues and its dance origins, it's pretty much just an umbrella genre for electric guitar music now.

Metal may have evolved a lot since hard rock too, but it has just never really done anything that other subgenres of rock music didn't. The divide exists solely between subcultures, not in the music itself.

But fuck this, I'm not having a /mu/ discussion here.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 10:55:32 2012 No.8422372

>>8422281
I don't know, I think I agree with the anon above that metal and rock should be merged. Most of the metal bands there could pass as a rock band, anyway.

Crow's Claw is almost as much inst. rock/hard rock as they are metal, and so is UI-70. Demetori does quite a lot of rock stuffs, too. See, isn't this really what the inline classification is for?

Also, Xi-on and Magnum Opus is nowhere near prog metal. MO should be power/speed metal if anything. Xi-on, well... I'm not really sure what to classify them as, but that's definitely not prog metal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 11:04:01 2012 No.8422396 >>8422342 There is a reason why female vocalist like katakiri rekka, 3L, ichigo, NAGI, chata and etc get passed around while most of the male vocals get nothing. High pitch female vocal is a status symbol of Japanese music.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 11:09:01 2012 No.8422411 >>8422396 A lot of them sounds bland/unmemorable/obviously processed, though. Really, I don't get people sometimes...

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 11:11:30 2012 No.8422415

>>8422281
Just one more thing, forget what I said about the "Classical" label. I wasn't thinking straight. It may get the point across, but would sound too pretentious given how much of it is synthesized and how it's not even trying/pretending to be art music.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 11:14:30 2012 No.8422421

>>8422281
Everyone hates water marks. If you dont want someone taking credit post your credentials in side the picture data. Timestamps will take care of the rest. Or start a blog and post it on your blog, then post it on /jp/ but dont link your shitty blog, just use it as a timestamp.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 11:17:31 2012 No.8422427

>>8422368
>Metal may have evolved a lot since hard rock too, but it has just never really done anything that other subgenres of rock music didn't. The divide exists solely between subcultures, not in the music itself.

This is so beyond ignorant I don't even...

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 11:20:00 2012 No.8422436

>>8422411
The same can be said of screaming or mumbling nonsense without any sort of melody or so.
I still remember the first time I listened to 5150, instant shift delete after 10sec. Also can you imagine a male doing innocent key style of music or male squealing like little girl doing denpa?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 11:32:41 2012 No.8422463 >>8422436 But that's because 5150 is, well, terrible

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 11:48:09 2012 No.8422484 Pretty awesome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 12:51:55 2012 No.8422678 I like the finished thing. If people like shit from a certain category then they'll find similar circles/artists on their own. I think it serves it's purpose.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 14:28:45 2012 No.8423224
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Separated pop from rock/electronic and put all names in romaji except for -OMOI- and Toho Symphonic Selection Don't ask me why, I think it looks better. Also fixed a few tags and put together Acoustic/Folk.

Is everyone finally happy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 14:32:41 2012 No.8423251 >>8423224 We need some real vocal metal in there. Replace that Crow's Claw album with 「Clamantes Monimentum Mortis」 by Vaguedge or 「眞紅ノ眷屬ハ圓環スル螺旋ヲ嘆ズル」 by Kokuyasou. Some variety would be nice, but Crow's Claw and Demetori are the exact same genre.

Anonymous Mon Jan 16 14:38:41 2012 No.8423282

>>8423251
We're way over the part of changing the albums already. We've only discussed the tagging problems for the last 40 or so posts.

But yeah, I think it's good now OP. Don't know how others feel but judging by how a lot of people were already happy with the version before this, I'm pretty sure this will be accepted as the final version.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 14:39:11 2012 No.8423287 >>8423282 Oh well, looks great anyway, OP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 15:41:43 2012 No.8423570 >>8423224 I just now realized there's no Floating Cloud or Syrufit on the list. I'd consider those extremely essential. If you change your mind OP, I'd say add Floating Cloud - Flower Village and Syrufit - Love=ALL And well, good work.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 15:43:15 2012 No.8423591 Ah I just realised there's no Girl's Short Hair in that list but I can live without it. They kind of remind of The Pillows if they were to do Touhou arranges, the their vocalist is really nice, but the list is good the way it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 21:43:18 2012 No.8425895 >>8423224 So is this the final image? When I'm feeling a little more autistic I might start grabbing these and make a MediaFire folder. High-quality VBR/320kbps mp3 is good enough, right? I don't think my connection could handle FLAC.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 21:44:18 2012 No.8425900 >>8423224 That font is terrible. Use a bitmap font or play with the sharpness settings a little. Also it should be "/jp/" because I'm autistic like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 21:47:47 2012 No.8425910 >>8425895 320kbps is a wiser choice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 16 21:49:17 2012 No.8425921 >>8425910 I don't think you understand how variable bitrates work.

Anonymous Tue Jan 17 00:24:19 2012 No.8426561

Looking pretty good, OP. It's not as much of a clusterfuck as the last version, and it's actually readable.

>>8425895
It would be nice if you do it. It would be even better if you do both for MP3 and FLAC, though, but I understand if you can only do it for MP3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 17 06:04:54 2012 No.8427687 Best SYNC ART's album is ソラとトキと二色のチョウ.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 17 14:13:11 2012 No.8429003 >>8427687 Yes, but that is also a collaboration, more or less.

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