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Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 15:53:59 No.8281624 [Reply] [Original]

Let's say for argument's sake that the Accelerator spammer has the entire CoDeeN network and every active Tor exit node in his delayclose.exe, and that none of them are banned. This is being optimistic, and there would still be fewer than 2000 proxies.
The moderation team has a Firefox extension that lets them ban a user with a single press of a button. Even if they fill in the usual ban reasons and duration by hand, this would still take less than 10 seconds per post. Given that there are 30-40 moderators on 4chan and that you don't even need to snoop through the report queue to find spam posts (just look at the front page of /g/), this problem should have been solved a long time ago.

Discuss.

>>	Labarador !!iuszTExGCNs Fri, Dec 23, 2011 15:55:29 No.8281638 sotp speaking internet mumbo jumbo

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 15:55:58 No.8281643 >>8281624 >Given that there are 30-40 moderators on 4chan Hahahahahahaha.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 15:57:31 No.8281654 There are like 6 mods and 20 janitors...

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 15:59:50 No.8281679 >>8281643 36.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:04:30 No.8281722 You can fix the problem real easy with two words: Client-sides.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:06:59 No.8281750 >>8281643 might be somewhat close if you count janitors as mods but even then you're missing like 15 mods

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:08:58 No.8281775 They're called proxies, anon. Thousands and thousands of them.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:09:58 No.8281787 >>8281775 Ban 'em all. I'll ban them if I'm given mod powers.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:10:58 No.8281794 >>8281787 Then thousands and thousands more

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:11:58 No.8281807 that picture is hot as fuck OP

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:13:22 No.8281824 That feel if you were a janitor you could clean up this crap but moot's incompetence is boundless

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:13:22 No.8281825 >>8281775 CLICK CLICK CLICK That's all it takes to ban a proxy. Why haven't they all been banned yet, moot?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:14:20 No.8281837 Just put more captchas. Captchas can solve any problem.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:15:20 No.8281852 >>8281837 Needs a captcha to enter the captcha.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:15:20 No.8281854 >moot: I um er um have um 30, no uh um 40 mods (obvious lie) >Hiroyuki: I have 300 mods (says confidently without stuttering)

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:17:50 No.8281865 >>8281854 I lol'd. Moot is so beta.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:18:21 No.8281873 >>8281854 Why not just hire more mods?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:19:21 No.8281887 >>8281873 Where would you get them from? How can you be sure that they won't just shit up the place for a few weeks by banning things along the lines of STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE then get bored and stop actually moderating?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:19:51 No.8281883 >>8281873 then there's a possibility even a parasite like you could get the mod power. he doesn't want to spend his time babysitting the staff.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:21:21 No.8281899 >>8281873 Well he tried to promote the older janitors to mods a little while back he doesn't really trust anyone unless he knows them personally or they've been here for a while.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:21:31 No.8281903 >>8281887 Because we're fed up with the spam and the shitposting. I don't have anything better t do anyways.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:22:31 No.8281906 Add a kanji captcha.

>>	Tokiko Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:24:00 No.8281929 File: 361 KB, 800x933, 204.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > 30-40 More like 4-8.

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:24:29 No.8281924

>>8281873
I actually think moot is paranoid. Look at how finnicky he is about anonymity and such. We knew his name was Robert from the earlier posts and Otakons, but then he decided to invent an alias and even use it in court.
Most of the mods are his personal friends he knows and trusts, whether from real life or online. I don't think he'd be willing to hire a complete stranger (despite there being plenty out there) because he'd worry about them all the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:25:00 No.8281936 >>8281931 >I've been here all summer

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:25:29 No.8281931 >>8281924 Wait, I thought his name WAS Christopher Poole.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:26:29 No.8281940 >>8281931 >Christopher Poole >CP Sounds legit.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:26:59 No.8281943 >>8281936 Two years now, actually. I don't go on /jp/ much though because I hate Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:26:59 No.8281942 You can't send POST requests through Codeen

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:27:29 No.8281945 File: 155 KB, 500x500, 1308086964375.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8281943

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:30:23 No.8281969 >>8281825 Many of them are. Mostly for posting CP and shit like that.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:30:30 No.8281961 >>8281943 >I've been here two years now ha..die.

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:31:51 No.8281973

I'm under the impression the staff already uses lists of known proxies, but obviously there are some holes in the net that don't seem to get patched up fast enough.

What I'm curious to know is if those lists are automatically updated / auto-banned, or if they're manually edited/adjusted. Someone could write something combining Perl's DB handling ability with some crawlers and probably knock 4chan spammers (and certain types of evaders) right out of the ballpark. I'm guessing the staff just doesn't care enough to do so.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:32:20 No.8281979 >>8281969 using tor. does 4chan work? >ban reason CP everytime.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:33:20 No.8281980 >>8281942 Some of them do actually let you.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:34:20 No.8281986 File: 97 KB, 774x613, banker.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >trying to use tor

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:37:20 No.8281997

This is one of the reasons I think moot should do a Nazi Week, with:
* ROBOT9000 algorithm on every board.
* FORCED_ANON
* DISP_ID (like on Futaba Channel/4-ch/etc)
* Increased flood limits.
* Bumping as opt-in rather than sage as opt-out bumping.
* Stronger moderation (ask everyone to take the week off work/school for strangers on the internet or something).

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:37:51 No.8282001 >>8281979 >>8281986 The funniest part is, people think just because they are running tor they are 100% safe and cannot be found by police, like it is some "l33t h4k3r" internet.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:40:32 No.8282018 >>8281997 Purges are nice but I doubt you can purge something whose borders are open as 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:42:53 No.8282025 >>8281997 I wouldn't mind this other than the forced anon. Trouble is, there are some genuinely good trip users. I say some only because for every good trip user there are how many horrible trip users, too many to count.

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:43:53 No.8282026

>>8282001
I don't think anyone thinks that. The mechanics of it are pretty clever, but obviously it falls short on non-hidden services. Plus the US government funded its development, and it's not in their best interests to grant easy anonymity to all citizens. If I ran an exit node I would definitely harvest people's data on regular Web services. I'm sure many exit nodes do.
420chan's /i/ did something similar about three or four years ago. A few of us kewl kidz ran PHProxy sites that would work as regular HTTP proxies but harvest people's MySpace credentials. It all worked and quite a few accounts were "hacked", but then there was IRC drama and I'm not sure what happened. Maybe it's still going.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:43:53 No.8282028 >>8282001 How are 4chan bans on tor nodes related to safety of tor users? This is not a trick question. It is, however, rhetorical.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:44:53 No.8282037 File: 84 KB, 1086x700, ban.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8281986 I just tried using Tor and got this. Twenty bans for child pornography. Only one of them is in Spanish.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:45:23 No.8282047 File: 97 KB, 216x240, moot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8281940

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:45:51 No.8282043 >>8282037 I've seen a ban in German before but that's the first Spanish one I've seen.

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:46:21 No.8282054

>>8282028
It isn't, meant it towards posting CP anywhere on the internet.

>>8282026
There are a lot who do surprisingly think it. They're the kind of people that think proxies are secure as well. Most proxies will give your info up upon any threat but I'm sure everyone here knows that.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:46:52 No.8282051 >>8282037 >>8282043 That's Italian.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:47:52 No.8282056 File: 44 KB, 796x541, mods get down.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /mu/mod-kun is so cute. I hope he doesn't threadban everyone here.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:47:52 No.8282058 >>8282051 well that's the first Italian one I've seen then

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:48:21 No.8282059 >>8282056 What the fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:49:21 No.8282064 >>8282051 all of the romance based languages sound and look the same

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:50:21 No.8282068

>>8282025
Agreed. That's why I said week. FORCED_ANON as a long-term solution is stupid, no matter what pedophile "image board experts" might think.
I just think that if it was for a week or so, some people would think, "Hey this is pretty refreshing. I can say whatever I want! Why did I ever use a tripcode again...?"
Though there are good tripfags who use a tripcode as a pseudonym for the sake of having a pseudonym, and that's fine, so the option should still be there in the long term.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:51:22 No.8282075 >>8282064 No, you're just stupid and can't see the difference, do you even speak spanish or italian?

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:52:22 No.8282076

>>8282056
He does sometimes. I like him, actually, because it's fun seeing everyone's reactions in the ghost board.
> I was banned for breaking the rules?! /mu/MOD SUCKS DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND SHITPOSTING IS PART OF THE BOARD CULTURE WE DON'T NEED A MOD TO BABYSIT US WAAHHH

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:54:22 No.8282088 File: 25 KB, 960x539, saten_sad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw that proxy you've been using to post on 2chan was found by someone else, who used it to spam and got it permabanned

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:54:22 No.8282086 >>8282075 He obviously doesn't..

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:55:21 No.8282092 >>8282088 >>>/v/

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:56:21 No.8282094

What I would like is some kind of extension like 4chan x that would permanently filter out by IP any post set to block. So that over time most of the shitposters would simply cease to exist to the majority of the userbase. I know this can be done with extensive filter lists, but a complete "ban" of the shitposters IP would save a lot of trouble and be much more thorough. Unfortunately, this would have to be implemented server site and made part of the site to work, so it will never happen.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:56:21 No.8282099 >>8282094 dynampic ip, what then?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:56:52 No.8282096 >>8282064 Thanks for your opinion, romance lenguages and literature expert.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:56:52 No.8282097 >>8282092 >2011 >/v/ ihsyggtd

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:57:52 No.8282103 >>8282094 4watch sort of does this, though users can't see other users IP addresses. But again, we shouldn't have to. We already have a form of user-based moderation with the reports system. I just wish it was paid attention to more frequently.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:58:52 No.8282108 >>8282099 It takes me less effort to just hit ban again than it does for them to unplug their router. Eventually I'd have them.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:59:22 No.8282114 >>8282103 Nearly all reports are ignored. Putting an option in the user's hand would at least be a nice stop gap. Though I agree, in an ideal world the moderation would actually moderate.

A.J.chama !Akiha.lfdk Fri, Dec 23, 2011 16:59:22 No.8282113
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Why would you want to ban an autistic spammer's proxies? Isn't it incredibly amusing to you that he actually takes the time to solve each individual captcha for every post he makes? That is literally Asperger's Syndrome at work.
This board is dead anyway, regardless of any "Accelerator" spam (which I haven't seen, but then, I don't come here often), so there's no real harm in letting some retarded manchild solve 2000 captchas.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 17:01:22 No.8282122 >>8282113 He might buy them. You can laugh at that too, but people have donated directly to 4chan and spent thousands of hours creating cat macros. Paying some Indians a few dollars to solve CAPTCHAs isn't that big of a deal.

A.J.chama !Akiha.lfdk Fri, Dec 23, 2011 17:05:01 No.8282138
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>>8282122
Even paying several dollars to post spam on /jp/ is quite funny, and again, a clear sign of actual mental retardation.
There's nothing left to spam!

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 17:05:30 No.8282137 Report the dude using 4watch and remember to bump the threads you're following.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 17:07:32 No.8282149 File: 167 KB, 409x605, 1315658766679.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >not paying mturkers $0.10 per Saten thread created on /jp/

Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 17:20:23 No.8282209

>>8281873
moot's secret corporate sugar-daddies need to keep moot on a short leash to stay safe legally, moot therefore needs to keep all his mods on the same leash. AND they need to be "youth internet users," not formal employees. So basically they need to be people mootles knows personally. And he can't be afraid to "fire" them publicly if they expose his sugar-daddies to legal liability of any kind, so that narrows it down to people he knows and trusts but wouldn't be upset to have to piss off or alienate.

So, um, yeah. I'm surprised we have as may as we do.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 17:33:31 No.8282237 >>8282209 as many*

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 17:36:01 No.8282245 I wish Accel-spammer killed of /jp/. Anyone know how to contact him? I want to try convincing him.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Dec 23, 2011 17:38:30 No.8282248 >>8282245 Make Naruto threads in /a/ every fifteen minutes until he shows up.

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