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Where did /jp/ learn Japanese?

What's a good starting point?

>> No.8222711

http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/

There are a million threads about learning Japanese. Search the archive and delete this thread.

>> No.8222710

Get a copy of RTK and get started.

>> No.8222728
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RTK (use kanji.kohii.com)
after that, Minna no Nihongo.
BAM you're a member of the lunar race now.
Or that's how I did it (with a lot of useless shit inbetween)

>> No.8222731

Drink a beer.

>> No.8222739

Genki. Kanjidamage. Rikaichan. Tae Kim.

>> No.8222742

I found this guy.

>> No.8222775

eroge everyday

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Watch a lot of anime with subs

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Kampai motherfucker. Do all the homework in Genki I, Genki II, the workbooks for those two books, the two kanji books, and An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese. You thought there was a shortcut because you're a lazy bitch.

>> No.8224651

Use namasensei for hiragana/katakana and for motivation.

Use kanjidamage for Kanji. If it isn't for you, use something like rememberthekanji.

Use Tae Kim and/or Genki for grammar. Genki is good for learning vocab at the same time and has more practical areas though.

Finally, use Anki for flash card practice. Download the Kanji-damage deck and any other decks that would be helpful (kana, vocab etc).

>> No.8224684

I'm sorry and I feel bad for asking a question in another Japanese thread on /jp/, but if it's already there I can also ask my question and hope it gets answered.
I'm currently learning Kanji with Kanjidamage. (I'm still at the very beginning though). I see some people saying that you should do grammar first, but I also see a lot of Kanji in it. So should I completely concentrate on Kanji first, or should I do some basic grammar first?
Could someone please explain which one I should do first?

>> No.8224739

>>8224684
Grammar
If you see a Kanji, just learn it as you go.

>> No.8224772

>>8224684
You can go either way. If you learn kanji first, grammar will seem rather easy.

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smoked weed every day with mary-san.

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It's funny, the last thing Japanese learners think of to make their Japanese better is to do homework in a textbook.

>>8224684
Grammar, kanji, and vocabulary reinforce each other. You remember the kanji and it reminds you of the vocabulary word and it reminds you of the sentence pattern you saw it in. You remember the vocabulary word and it reminds you of the kanji. You remember a sentence pattern and it reminds of a vocabulary word you saw in it and that reminds you of the kanji for that word. That's why you learn them at the same time. Learn the kanji for new words. Learn if they are typically written with kanji because some words aren't even though they might have a kanji spelling.

>> No.8225019

Not OP here but, I read everything from Tae Kim and I know around ~200 kanji. I plan to just take some eroge (mostly light moege) and read them with JParser, then learn words and their kanji as I go. Is this a good course of action?

>> No.8225041

Ive been taking a lot of japanese courses over the past couple years and it's helped tremendously. if you have the money for that I'd recommend it, even just at a cheap community college.
also just go, right now, and learn your kana, it takes like a week or two
that will make everything much easier.
The books and workbooks mentioned before here are the same ones assigned in my school so you can even manage just going through chapter by chapter.
but either have or finda japanese friend or a friend who can speak it well, conversational practice helped me a lot.
and never give up on kanji, once you start memorizing the radicals its just like remembering 2 or 3 strokes every time instead of the 12 individual ones.

>> No.8225082

>>8225019
Add a SRS like Anki and you're probably doing better than me.

>> No.8225112

Desu-ko no mijuiru. Watashi wa shittingu no toiretto desu ka. "Nani," neko-san kodomo inban popopo.

>> No.8225211

>>8225019
Know some good moege for this sort of thing?

>> No.8225224

At college.

I'm far too lazy to study anything on my own, I need someone teaching me and the pressure of my overall GPA on the line to make me do anything.

>> No.8225232

>>8224841
doesn't tanaka-san (or yamada-san) feel up mary on the train on a certain page? It has been so long since I have used the Genki books....

>> No.8225244

>>8225224
Same as this anon, if I were to study on my own initiative I would probably abandon everything in a few days.

>>8225002

Is this a Japanese thing to take of their shoes before suicide or what's up with that?

>> No.8225255

fukin animu erryday for 11 years

>> No.8225270

First, learn hiragana and katakana. They are essential.
Then, learn all the grammar on this page:http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

Then surf 2ch on a thread you want to read with rikaichan firefox extension (so you can highlight all the kanji and learn them as you read).
Might as well read stuff you want to read while learning a language.

>> No.8225324

>>8224651
>Use namasensei for hiragana/katakana and for motivation.

And for nothing else, because he talks a lot of bullshit.

I struggle to comprehend how anyone could find his childish antics and borderline retarded behavior motivating, though.

>>8225270
>Then surf 2ch

That's like learning English on /int/. Don't do that.

>> No.8225323

hi, id suggest not relying on rikaichan that much, or you won't remember anything.

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>>8225232

>> No.8225605

>>8225255
I actually tried that for about 13 years. It didn't work. After all that time I only knew a few Japanese words and phrases and almost no grammar. In all that time of looking at Japanese text I didn't learn a single kana or kanji either.

>> No.8225615

AJATT, Genki I-II, Heisig, Kanjidamage, Tae Kim, All About Particles, Making Sense of Japanese What the Textbooks Don't Tell You.

Once you completed all those you're pretty much fluent and if you fall on something you don't know, it's easy to learn it as you go.

>> No.8225618

I'm worried if I ever learn japanese, all the music I listen to will suddenly become very annoying because i'll find out the lyrics are really fucking dumb.

>> No.8225621

http://www.tanos.co.uk/jlpt/jlpt5/

>> No.8225628

>>8225618
Most of the disappointment is from realizing the lyrics don't make sense in Japanese either. I like it because I can read the lyrics for a CD while I'm listening to a song.

>> No.8225655

>>8224841

This thread is now a Mary thread. You better post Mary or she will 貴方のともだちのベッドにでかけます。

>> No.8225652

>>8225605
After starting to learn japanese I found grammar was the part I got most out of watching anime over the years, apart from the few phrases and words here and there.

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>> No.8225846

>>8225019
I did basically what's mentioned here, plus RTK. I never read the grammar guide front to back, though, I would just check it (or another source) whenever I found something that confused me.
>>8225082
Also used Anki, like this anon posted, along with AGTH.

Speaking of learning material, has anyone else made use of that huge pack of Japanese novels in .txt format? Probably boring if your vocabulary is small, but it's got everything from the Spice and Wolf novels to the Jap translations of Shakespeare.

>> No.8225888

>>8225846
>>8225846
I would very much like a link to such pack

>> No.8225903

>>8225888
http://myjapanesegroup.blogspot.com/2011/05/5000-japanese-books-txt-format.html

Not the place I downloaded it from, but it's the same. IIRC a handful of the files are damaged, including the translation of Moby Dick (!), but otherwise everything was in working order.

>> No.8225909

>>8225888
Password is nerasleith by the way.

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>>8225903
Thanks a lot dear anon.

>> No.8225921

Took a couple years of Japanese during college, then eroge every day.

I did the whole grind kanji in Anki thing for awhile but I didn't think it was really worth it. Just picking up words as I go has been more effective for me.

>> No.8225940

>>8225903
Awesomen, thanks. Good thing I just got a kindle anyway.

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