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Is Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth canon?

>> No.8202733

It was written by ZUN, of course it isn't canon.

>> No.8202747

No.

>> No.8202748

It's semi-canon, so I see it as
>It happened? YES
>It happened that way? NO

>> No.8202754

No because SSiB.

>> No.8202759

>>8202748

Pretty much this.

>> No.8202763

>>8202759
ZUN fucking supervised the whole thing.

>> No.8202768

It wasn't written by ZUN, so I don't consider it canon.
However, CIALR, I do consider canon. And the games.

>> No.8202779

Thread really should have ended at >>8202733

It's an official Touhou release, so it's canon. Anything less, and you end up wondering whether games are canon, too. (No, I actually saw people do that.) It's a path of silliness, don't go there.

>> No.8202784

>>8202779
The .5 and .8 games aren't canon.

>> No.8202788

ZUN said not to consider his material any more "serious" as any other fan work.

Touhou has no canon, everyone's gensokyo.

>> No.8202791

>>8202788
I don't think you understood what he meant.

>> No.8202806

>>8202784
Why do you say that?

>> No.8204117

>>8202791
No, I think YOU did not.

>> No.8204127

>>8202759
Pretty much this.

>>8202763
And what's that got to do with anything?

>> No.8204133

>>8204117
End intention is ZUN probably doesn't like getting pelted with questions about "canon". He likes to make the games, getting all those pointlessly serious questions probably gets annoying.

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8204129

If it was written by ZUN then its cannon.

>> No.8204165

I consider it a parody and I don't trust that any of the events happened in any form.

>> No.8204175

Inabas are a threat to Grimsokyo fanatics.

>> No.8204169

>>8204133
Waiting warmly for him to snap at an interview a la "Shatner at the convention" SNL skit.

I so wouldn't hold it against him at all.

>> No.8204183

>>8202806
ZUN said in an interview that he feels some things were made a bit too silly in Hisoutensoku (Think it was regarding Suwako). But once he says that it makes you question how much of it is 'Canon'

>> No.8204181

>>8204165
HRtP.... good luck laughing

>> No.8204192

I bet nobody would mind if it weren't for the fact that Mokou acts silly and differs from their grim-dark-badass vision of her.

It's canon, ZUN approved it and gave the artist guidelines on what to do, he also has referenced the events of the story in other books (like BAiJR), so there.

>> No.8204209

>>8204192
Some people might also dislike the idea that Eirin regularly beats Reisen into weeklong comas, which is pretty fucking brutal, if you think about it. It's not about disliking the characterization, it's about the fact that Inaba is a gag 4koma whose canonicities are generally taken with grains of salt.

>> No.8204226

>>8204209
>Some people might also dislike

And that matters because?

>> No.8204234

>>8204209
I don't like the general image of Reisen being a doormat myself.

>> No.8204239

>>8204209
It's the way the characters are presented, not the gag actions that are present in almost every Japanese manga series since the 90s.

>It's not about disliking the characterization

Yeah it is.

Want proof? Search the archive for nearly every time that Inaba is mentioned, Mokou fans at their angriest state, not that she herself wasn't silly in IN as well.

>> No.8204240

>>8204226
It doesn't. You still don't have a point besides "ZUN wrote it" which is pretty much irrelevant to the point being discussed.

>> No.8204250

>>8204209

The point is not what some people like or dislike, the thing is the silly details exactly like "Eirin beats Reisen into week long comas".
This kind of thing is a pretty common exageration of silly-humoured 4komas. Those things happened, yes? They happened with week long comas, Tewi shooting through Rinnosuke's roof and everybody staring at stuff with happy idiot faces all the time? No.

Doesn't mean they happened in a all-grimdark way, either. Just means they weren't all comical and rainbow-filled. Things happened in a happy and silly way just in order to keep the peaceful humor of the 4kome up.

>> No.8204262

>>8204250

Your post neatly condensed in >>8202748

This whole thread pretty much embodies that statement.

>> No.8204259

>>8204250
what?
>Tewi shooting through Rinnosuke's roof and everybody staring at stuff with happy idiot faces all the time?

>> No.8204261

>>8204239
You must admit that Inaba is way out of character from the rest of the series, contains a lot of very unlikely events and interactions, and the scripts weren't written by ZUN. Mokou sucks in all forms

>> No.8204263

>>8204239
The only angry person I see in archive threads is the guy screaming "IT'S CANON" at every opportunity.

>> No.8204272

"Baaawwww Gensokyo is fluffly and cute stop ruining my secondary dream ;_______;"

>> No.8204279

>>8204263
I'm gonna guess you only checked the first page of threads in the search results then.

>> No.8204276

>>8204272
Nobody is acting like that. Don't say dumb things.

>> No.8204287

>>8204272
Crawling in my skin, etc etc

Please cut along the vein and not across it.

>> No.8204282

>>8204259
In one of the chapters, Tewi blew a rain fairy out of the sky by firing a shotgun umbrella through Kourindou's roof. Prior to that, she acquired an anti-personnel land mine.

>> No.8204291

>>8204261
If the concept was written by ZUN then it shouldn't matter if the script was written by someone else.
It should be still canon.

>> No.8204292

>>8204279
You guessed wrong.

>> No.8204293

I don't get why grimdark fans of Gensokyo are still acting serious about their thoughts, ZUN said that the series aren't serious and he even tried to made murder impossible and make the heroine befriend the final boss every time. I don't see why they keep arguing otherwise.

>> No.8204289

Like most Touhou canon, it's supposed to be open to interpretation. Arguing about it is pointless.

>> No.8204298
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>> No.8204301

>>8204299
Then why did you start?

>> No.8204299

>>8204292
Not gonna try arguing with you, kiddo.

>> No.8204304

The other day I was reading a seinen manga, and I got to a chapter where instead of murdering the shit out of each other, they had a cooking contest, and dead characters were previously brought back to life to interact in hilarious ways. This chapter was 100% written by the official author.

Therefore, resurrection is canon.

>> No.8204314

>>8204307
It's not obvious to anyone besides you because you're a delusional liar.

Put up or shut up, faggot.

>> No.8204307

>>8204301
I didn't, I stated something, you countered it with an obvious lie.

>> No.8204322

>>8204291
I disagree, there's no reason ZUN couldn't write a gag manga that's not meant to be actual events. The content and his comments make me think that's what it is.

>> No.8204319

>>8204304
Why are you comparing a grim series to Touhou? You shouldn't do that, they're not alike in any way.

>> No.8204328

>>8204319
The point is that not everything written by authors is canon.

Especially if the material in question is gag comedy.

>> No.8204333

>>8204314
Did I touch a nerve? Why the insults now?

Come on now, it's obvious that couldn't have possible checked every single time that Inaba was mentioned on /jp/ in just a few minutes, there's also the times where it's mentioned by its many abreviations you know.

Or hell, to make it easier, just check the Mokou threads that aren't all flattering her with praise about how she's the only cool and grim Touhou.

>> No.8204338

>canonicities


It's like I'm really in a Star Wars forum.

>8204328

>The point is that not everything written by authors is canon.

Haha okay. The last episode in Realta Nua is fanfiction written by Nasu so it's not really canon, right? Oh yeah, all drama CDs are also not canon because a lot of them have gags, right?

Canon discussion fucking suck.

>> No.8204342

>>8204328
But Touhou isn't serious at all, ZUN stated it. Not saying that every single tiny event that happened in it (like the exaggerations that are common in most gag manga) is canon but the general idea and the way the characters act is, since ZUN told the artist how he should do them.

That's why I said you shouldn't compare them.

>> No.8204348

>>8204333
You did strike a nerve. Unfounded allegations by retards tend to irritate me.

>Come on now, it's obvious that couldn't have possible checked every single time that Inaba was mentioned on /jp/ in just a few minutes.
I had five or so minutes to look over fifteen or so Inaba threads over the course of two years. That already spans two or so years. The person raving about canon is you, isn't it?

The most the Mokou fans ever say, "Mokou's characterization is non-canonical" but I've never seen anyone actually angry about it the way "IT'S CANON"-kun was.

>Or hell, to make it easier, just check the Mokou threads that aren't all flattering her with praise about how she's the only cool and grim Touhou.
And that has what to do with Inaba?

>> No.8204353

>>8204322
Then he wouldn't have done it in the first place, all of his works (except PC-98, by now) are related to one another.

Inaba's events were shown in BAiJR, for example, one of the festivals that they did was mentioned by Aya.

>> No.8204366

>>8204353
>Then he wouldn't have done it in the first place
Yeah, okay, ZUN. I guess since you know your own mind works you would never even consider making a gag comedy series that isn't meant to be completely accurate.

>Then he wouldn't have done it in the first place, all of his works (except PC-98, by now) are related to one another.
One of the Dolls in Pseudo Paradise seems unrelated.

>> No.8204368

>>8204348
It's not like anger can be detected so easily over written computer text is it? Just check the actual threads instead of hovering over the posts.

>And that has what to do with Inaba?
Dude, the original point was Mokou fans getting angry over it. And they do, I've been there plenty of times.

>> No.8204370

>>8204366
Dolls in Psuedo Paradise stories*.

>> No.8204374

>>8204366
Don't talk like you know, the sheer fact that Inaba is mentioned in other works clarifies its statues as canon.

>> No.8204371

>>8204353
Speaking of the PC-98 games, you would think ZUN would kinda re-introduce them again at this point where every character is kinda making people blow steam.

>> No.8204379

>>8204371
He said in an interview that he would prefer for people to forget about them in derivative works.

>> No.8204380

>>8204371
I don't imagine ZUN cares what the fanbase thinks.

>> No.8204375

>>8204368
I went into a bunch of Inaba threads and control-F'd "Mokou" (a lot of the threads didn't touch on it at all) and read the brief discussions relating to canonicity.

>Dude, the original point was Mokou fans getting angry over it. And they do, I've been there plenty of times.
I've never seen a regular Mokou image thread where suddenly, out of the blue people started complaining about Inaba.

>> No.8204376

>>8204371

Mimafag detected. Please get better tastes.

Alice came back from PC98. She used to be bad ass ex boss, now look at her.

>> No.8204383

>>8204374
See: >>8202748

We've been over this approximately five times today.

>> No.8204384

>>8204183
>ZUN said in an interview that he feels some things were made a bit too silly in Hisoutensoku (Think it was regarding Suwako).

>You don't have to do what I joked about (laugh)
(...)
>We really did those as you said

Read it as you will, but it looks like a demonstration the man just doesn't take this seriously at all.

>> No.8204388

>>8204375
It's not Inaba threads, it's Mokou threads where Inaba is mentioned, that should have been pretty clear you know.

And it's the Mokou threads themselves that mention Inaba the ones that initiate the anger.

I'm getting a hint here, are you a Mokou fan yourself and you're trying to ignore the facts?

>> No.8204389

>>8204379
No, he didn't, really.

>> No.8204395

>>8204383
The matter here is characterization, gag manga's usual portrayal of events (eg: hitting someone and sending that person to the skies) are the ones that aren't taken into much account like the post you keep quoting. People don't like to take its characterizations into canon because it affects their vision of a character, mostly Mokou and Reisen.

>> No.8204393

>>8204388
>Search the archive for nearly every time that Inaba is mentioned, Mokou fans at their angriest state.
>Every time Inaba is mentioned, Mokou fans are angry.
It's not clear at all, but I'll start on all fifty pages if it really makes you happy.

>> No.8204399

>>8204376
I guess I forgot to include the words "All Characters".

>>8204379
Ok, you got me. Still, if you introduce a character once it hard to forget 'some' of them. Not including the ones in the first one but ZUN could still make some character development for them.

>> No.8204401

>>8204395
And Kaguya

>> No.8204406

>>8204322
>a gag manga that's not meant to be actual events
>>8204328
>the material in question is gag comedy.

This has been said many times already, but repeating won't hurt: The entirety of Touhou is a gag comedy.

>> No.8204407

>>8204401
And Tewi.

>> No.8204417

>>8204406
No, it's not.

>> No.8204419

>>8204406
What about curiosities of lotus asia.

>> No.8204416

>>8204406
That's something I like to point out myself, but don't be obtuse.

>> No.8204423

>>8204376
>She used to be bad ass ex boss

So now the stage rank gives a character badass status?

She was just a normal-acting albeit aggressive little girl back then.

>> No.8204432

>>8204417
Yes, it is.

>> No.8204433

>>8204423

She was badass because she had the highest powerlevel pre-danmaku

>> No.8204438

>>8204393
Starting from the beginning, the first time somebody who mentioned "Inaba" got legitimately angry (wow people really liked talking about Inaba Box) was somebody who got mad that IMIE sunk their Hourai Elixir theory, in May 2009.

>> No.8204442

Touhou always has that silly atmosphere no matter in what work you look at it, even the encyclopedia ones like PMiSS and BAiJR have silliness in them, it's probably the context.

>> No.8204450

>>8204433
...

What has the meaning ''badass'' turned into nowadays?

>> No.8204452

>>8204419
Yeah, what about it? It's plenty silly.

>> No.8204463

>>8204442
Touhou is always light-hearted (well, it is outside of backstories, which can get depressing) but it's not always outright silly.

>> No.8204474

>>8204433
Or its because ZUN wanted to move some characters into the next game for whatever known reason. Like Alice or Yuuka.

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