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JLPT comin up next weekend. Any challengers appear?

>> No.8146263

Not this time...

>> No.8146286

why are you studying kanji?

go to Japan once and for all, realize that everybody there speaks english, that everyone there expects you to talk to them in english and actually hopes that you will give them some english practice too. Fuck bitches because it's so easy (unless you're black in which case you're scum for them), come back and never waste your time on Kanji again.

>> No.8146296

>>8146286
>why are you studying kanji?

Maybe because people actually want to learn Japanese.

>> No.8146300

Does JLPT require you to write anything or is it just multiple choice shit?

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>>8146286
Would you tell a Mexican not to learn English because everyone in America learns Spanish in high school and most products have Spanish instructions included?

>> No.8146313

>>8146305
No, because in America foreigners are expected to speak English. In Japan, foreigners are expected to speak English.

>> No.8146324

>>8146305
Besides, learning Japanese has almost nothing to do with kanji. Every sign in Japan is in both Japanese and English. Your brain will always go with what's easier for you to read. You should learn kanji by being exposed to them. Trying to force them into your brain is just a waste of time. JLPT is yet another way for the Japanese to laugh at silly foreigners who try to learn their language.
Japanese people keep forgetting kanji but can still speak.

>> No.8146328

>>8146300
It varies slightly based on level, but at N1 and N2 (the two upper levels), the sections are:
one called "Language Knowledge" (言語知識), which is subdivided in to "Characters and Vocabulary" (文字語彙) and Reading Comprehension (読解), with Listening Comprehension （聴解) at the end. Those big three (Characters/Vocab, Reading, and Listening) are weighted equally.

It's entirely multiple choice.

>> No.8146341

>>8146286
>>8146313
>>8146324

This is almost true if you replace "Japan" with "inner Tokyo"

>> No.8146343

>>8146234
Why don't you just stop being so bitter about people attempting to do something for themselves.

If you really wouldn't give a fuck, you'd just hide this thread. Instead you seem insistent on compromising every attempt at learning.


Speaking and literacy are two things that go hand in hand. It's very difficult to live with one and without the other, especially if you're studying for functional reasons (i.e. living/working in Japan) or even go so far as to reading books/VNs/LNs in their source language.

>> No.8146354

>>8146324
That's kind of like saying that you can learn English without learning words of French/Latin/Greek origin. You can have maybe basic conversation (except you couldn't use the word conversation), but if you tried to read anything you wouldn't get far.

>> No.8146363

>>8146343
I do care. I also agree with what you say.
But I feel that JLPT promotes a really bad way to learn the language. It's been much easier for me to learn kanji used in actual words for me than it has learning them by themselves without any context. Actually living in Japan makes you learn kanji faster without even studying them.

>> No.8146367

FUCK! It's NEXT weekend?! God damn it, I've gotten no studying done! Granted, I'm only taking Level 5, but fuck I wanted to be so much further through my refresher than what I am... I got all the practice questions right online, but some of them weren't easy... Fuck, fuck, fuck

>> No.8146383

>>8146363
That just sounds like ineffective studying. Most JLPT questions require you to know how to use a word in context, and the listening/reading comprehension sections are entirely practical.

Granted, the exam does little to nothing to test communication ability, and the level of aural comprehension tested is significantly lower than the level of textual comprehension.

>> No.8146386

>>8146363
Because everyone can travel to Japan right.

>> No.8146388

>>8146363
I'm sorry but I gathered from your tone that kanji study was really a huge waste of time.

>But I feel that JLPT promotes a really bad way to learn the language.
It does, but it doesn't, in a way. What I see it doing is setting out EXPECTATIONS (what should be knowledgeable at certain levels) because it's trying to quantify and rate something that is really more abstract (knowledge, proficiency, skill with a language).

It's a double-edged sword in that regard, because although it says what the expectations are, then it gives people a list of what they should know, and they tend to only focus on learning that.

It's sort of the whole academic test culture of cramming take precedence rather than the focus on learning for functional purposes.

Although... the Japanese are pretty accustomed to learning for no other purpose but for testing, so I don't know if it was built with that mind set...

>> No.8146391

>>8146383
When I was in Japan, almost everybody I spoke to had a lot of trouble communicating in English, even though they had studied it in school for 7+ years. But they could all understand written English very well and always knew a lot of vocabulary. They were just really terrible at speaking, having never really practiced it at all.
I feel that JLPT must have similar results in the long process that is learning a new language.

>> No.8146390

>>8146388
Jesus Christ typo galore.

Obviously I'm not even proficient in my own language let alone another. Fuck my brain.

>> No.8146398

>>8146391
That very well might be true if Japanese language education outside of Japan taught to the JLPT, but most Japanese language courses (in the US at least) stress oral communication. At language schools within Japan it's a different story, essentially what you describe.

>> No.8146399

>>8146386
Learning a language that you will never use to communicate is an extremely weird thing to do to me.

>> No.8146406

>>8146399
Then I will never do it to you

>> No.8146411

>>8146406
I like weird things.

>> No.8146409

>>8146399
There are people that learn japanese for the anime, games, etc.

>> No.8146415

>>8146409
Not to mention the amount of text by even prominent authors (Mishima, Oe, even Murakami) that have yet to be translated.

>> No.8146418

>>8146399
You are browsing /jp, idiot.
People are learning to read VNs and shit, not to discuss with normal people in Japan.

>> No.8146423

>>8146418
>>8146399
Yeah have you met Japanese people? They're awful

>> No.8146430

>>8146286
Going to Japan no more makes your life an anime than moving to New York makes it a Woodie Allen movie

>> No.8146436

>>8146423
I have met some, because in my Uni we have tons of Nips. There are just like your average 3D;PD living thing if you ask me. Probably because they are reverse weeaboo(my uni is in France)

>> No.8146447

Taking N1 next Sunday. Heaven help me.

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